Winter Bash 2021

Wolgwang

01:01

Helping fingers and helping hands must be related to posting comments under the questions.😗

Vickel

01:13

unfortunately this year is much more about gaining rep than curating... so I'm pretty sure I won't be able to defend my #5 rank from WB 2020 :) trying anyway...

Peilonrayz

01:23

For anyone searching for Monologue and/or Dialogue. A user got both by posting a +4 question, I answered with +4, the user commented on my answer (no @), and I responded to the user (with @). Other than another user posting 2 comments on the question no other activity. Delta of ~1 hour between both of our comments.

Slate

01:46

Someone very recently earned, for the first time, what I expect will be the most elusive hat this year. Very exciting.

Catija

02:03

Nice.

Wolgwang

@Catija Helping hand for posting 5 comments that atleast recieved an upvote?

Catija

I'm on my phone and don't have the list.

Wolgwang

Shall I ping Slate?

@Slate Who? (WB leaderboard doesn't show more than 9 hats)...

nobody

02:30

@Slate Is it cleanup? Could only find two users on the leaderboard with that one.

Catija

02:51

I got cleanup yesterday.

Wolgwang

Rep cap hat is given according to reps cap in UTC time?

Wolgwang

03:26

@YaakovEllis Helping finger for Posting first comment on 5 questions ?

Slate

03:40

@nobody Funny enough, it is not - Cleanup is currently the second least awarded secret hat (aside from secret hats that have not yet been awarded to anyone).

This is a hat that I expect to start very slowly and accelerate substantially. Frankly I'm surprised we got an awardee 36 hours in.

Wolgwang

Now even finding the users with new hat is challenging. :-/

Panda

I wonder if it's the earn 2022 rep hat.

nobody

04:06

@Panda Not likely. You'd have to receive several bounties for it at this point.

Wolgwang

04:19

Any SO guy here?

chat.stackoverflow.com/users/6817005/natty?tab=recent

Is this dead?

I think I am very close to TB hat trigger again :)

@Catija Trigger for thought bubble hat: Get pinged 5 times?

Catija

No

Wolgwang

O_o

Wolgwang

04:40

According to my activity,

I sent 120 messages: Definitely not a trigger as many users with message <50 have the hat.

Pinged 5 users: Definitely not a trigger... Natty has the hat but it doesn't ping anyone.

Got pinged 5 times: Confirmed 'no'

What am I missing 🥲 ?

@Catija Trigger for thought bubble hat: Continued conversation with another user of 5 messages by the user.

double-beep

04:58

@Catija dialogue: comment under an answer to your own question - both the Q and the A must have a positive score.

Catija

@Wolgwang close but not quite. You're touching on some aspects, missing one aspect and have something extra (if I'm understanding your guess correctly).

Wolgwang

;_;

CinCout

@Catija @YaakovEllis [helping finger] : first to add a comment that gets upvoted once on a New Contributor's question?

Catija

@CinCout almost

@double-beep not ignoring you, just don't have that one memorized

CinCout

05:14

@Catija first to add a comment that gets upvoted once on a New Contributor's first question?

Wolgwang

2 hours ago, by Wolgwang

@YaakovEllis Helping finger for Posting first comment on 5 questions ?

Our observation is close

CinCout

@Wolgwang this could be helping hand.. since 5

nobody

Monologue is definitely just asking an upvoted question with an upvoted answer.

Just got it on MSE.

CinCout

@nobody for this? meta.stackexchange.com/questions/374150/…

nobody

@CinCout Yep

double-beep

05:18

@Catija do you remember monologue?

CinCout

@nobody cool. Let the mods confirm

Wolgwang

@nobody Do you have thought bubble hat on SO?

Catija

@Catija sooooo close.

nobody

@Wolgwang Man that one is really hard to home in on

Catija

@nobody Close for the same reason as dialogue.

nobody

05:21

@Catija With upvoted or accepted answer?

double-beep

@Catija perhaps you must upvote/accept the answer you left the comment to?

CinCout

@Catija how about this for helping finger?
https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/59905797#59905797

Catija

You have one too many expectations in both cases.

nobody

@Catija Answer doesn't need to be upvoted?

Catija

Not according to my documentation, anyway.

Wolgwang

05:23

Is this this hard everytime?

CinCout

@Catija was this for me or for @nobody

double-beep

comment needs to be posted on the same day as the answer?

Wolgwang

;_;

@double-beep Which hat?

nobody

@Wolgwang Last year wasn't this hard.

Catija

@CinCout Yes

nobody

05:24

:D

double-beep

lol

Wolgwang

Yes means both ?

Catija

@nobody Last year we didn't have a former mod on Puzzling making the triggers. :D

6

Ankit Sharma

Good morning/noon/etc

CinCout

@Wolgwang she's toying with us

Catija

05:26

Yes means "the statement applied in both (all three in this situation) cases"

nobody

Three triggers confirmed in one go... who's editing the hat list?

Catija

No... I mean all three guesses for the tree hats have too many elements

CinCout

@nobody nothing's confirmed yet!

Wolgwang

Welp I am confused.. What are we talking about?

nobody

@Catija Wait, so I didn't rule out the extra element here?

CinCout

05:28

@Catija Helping finger: adding a positive score comment on a New Contributor's question?

Wolgwang

I am sure Helping finger and helping hands are closely related. I got finger a few minutes after hand.

CinCout

@Wolgwang of course they are. So is helping arm

Catija

@nobody You did. That's why I said this:

8 mins ago, by Catija

Not according to my documentation, anyway.

Wolgwang

@CinCout Let me see if this matches with my activity.

nobody

@Catija So that confirms monoluge, right? Does it confirm dialogue too?

Catija

05:32

@CinCout There's a multiplier here, if I'm reading the info correctly but you're on the right track.

Wolgwang

@Catija 6 ?

Catija

@nobody Can you write it out again so I can ensure I'm confirming the correct thing.

@Wolgwang High. And I'm not a fan of random guesses. :P

nobody

@Catija Monologue: Positive score question with an answer

CinCout

@Catija Helping finger: adding two positive score comments on a New Contributor's question?

double-beep

@nobody I don't think so... I got it after accepting an answer to my positively scored question

nobody

05:34

Dialogue: comment under an answer to your own question -question needs positive score

Catija

@CinCout You're multiplying the wrong thing.

CinCout

@Catija Helping finger: adding a comment with 2 upvotes on a New Contributor's question?

nobody

@double-beep Catija just said there was question does not need to be upvoted and I got it without accepting

double-beep

hm

Catija

@nobody Assuming you mean "Ask a positively scored question that gets answered"

@CinCout no

Wolgwang

05:40

I had posted comments of positive score on 3 new users' questions.

nobody

@Catija yes

Wolgwang

And got helping finger.

CinCout

@Catija Helping finger: adding a positive score comment on two different New Contributor's question?

Catija

@Wolgwang Is that a guess?

Wolgwang

@Catija No! math.stackexchange.com/questions/4333835/… and math.stackexchange.com/questions/4335123/… and math.stackexchange.com/questions/4335232/…

Catija

05:43

No, no... I mean are you asking to verify the solution?

CinCout

@Catija yes he is :D

Wolgwang

No...I am still

Deducing

CinCout

it's either 2 or 3

Wolgwang

Maybe number of comments have some importance.

CinCout

let @Catija confirm

Wolgwang

05:45

@Catija Yes I am verifying now :)

double-beep

@Wolgwang or the comment score has some importance...

Catija

@Wolgwang Yes. first question but I figure it's close enough.

CinCout

@double-beep it does not chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/59906109#59906109

@Catija Helping finger: adding a positive score comment on 3 different New Contributor's first question?

Catija

yep.

CinCout

@Catija trigger confirmed for helping finger?

Catija

05:49

Oh, apparently it's post, not questions only. But it's not super common for new users to write answers. :D

CinCout

haha alright

Catija

This is the literal description in the spreadsheet - "(+1 Comment on a new user's first post) x3" so it takes a minute for me to parse. :P

I wasn't expecting to have to do math.

nobody

@Catija it’s not too rare either, The only thing is they are often bad answers

CinCout

@Catija helping hand : (+1 Comment on a new user's first post) x10 ?

Catija

no

CinCout

05:53

would have been too easier :P

nobody

@Catija +5 comment x2?

CinCout

@Wolgwang you got helping hand as well na, build up from here?

@nobody that would be Starfish no?

@Catija Helping hand: (+5 Comment on a new user's first post) x2 ?

Wolgwang

@Catija You have confirmed the trigger for Monologue?

@CinCout No I can confirm.

nobody

Helping arm would probably be something about answering a new users question

Wolgwang

@CinCout I am not sure.

@nobody Have you got monologue trigger confirmed?

Catija

06:04

@Wolgwang I thought so?

28 mins ago, by Catija

@nobody Assuming you mean "Ask a positively scored question that gets answered"

Wolgwang

Ohk I had added it to the hat list but was confirming :)

CinCout

@Catija Helping hand: (+5 Comment on a new user's first post) x2 ?

Catija

no

Wolgwang

@CinCout That would have automatically given Star hat...

CinCout

@Wolgwang Starfish doesn't necessarily need those comments on a new user's first post

Wolgwang

06:11

@Catija Helping hand: (5 - postive score comments on post)?

@CinCout Ah!

CinCout

any ideas about Cleanup?

Wolgwang

@Catija Both actions must be done during winter bash?

Catija

@Wolgwang No. Each version of that chain of hats adds a new element. They're not just multiplicative of each other.

CinCout

it has to do something with deleting self comments

Catija

@Wolgwang That's usually assumed but it's not explicitly in the info.

CinCout

06:13

@Catija ooh. interesting

Wolgwang

@Catija Is this the reply for :

2 mins ago, by Wolgwang

@Catija Helping hand: (5 - postive score comments on post)?

@CinCout I wonder if it has to do something with deleting comments (is that a mod only hat) ?

CinCout

@Wolgwang dont think so, maybe deleting self comments which have a score > 0?

Catija

@Wolgwang It's not but it's easier for a mod to do.

Wolgwang

@CinCout Why would Catija delete their self comments...?

CinCout

@Catija Helping hand: (first +1 Comment on a new user's first post) x5 ?

Wolgwang

06:17

@CinCout Then it must be for flagging comments...

CinCout

@Wolgwang once they have served their purpose, they are good to delete

Wolgwang

@CinCout First means first to comment?

CinCout

@Wolgwang yes

Wolgwang

Let me match it with my activity...

@CinCout Nope...

Catija

@CinCout I'm kinda gonna stop responding to wild guesses like this. You're not even close.

Wolgwang

06:22

Only 2 of my comments matches with that description @CinCout

CinCout

@Catija sorry

Wolgwang

@CinCout Are you sure about thr new user part?

CinCout

@Wolgwang they are the ones who need a helping hand/arm whatever. So just a guess

Wolgwang

@CinCout According to "chain":

11 mins ago, by Catija

@Wolgwang No. Each version of that chain of hats adds a new element. They're not just multiplicative of each other.

It must be right?

CinCout

so add a new element, then multiply
dont remove anything, so yes

must be

Wolgwang

06:25

Narrowing down comments then :-)

If some user asked 2nd question (after 12 days of 1st getting closed), are they new user? @CinCout

CinCout

@Wolgwang if they have the "New Contributor" badge on their profile flair below their posts, they're considered new

@Wolgwang we need to figure out the new element first

Wolgwang

@CinCout Maybe who replied or who edited their questions after comments

CinCout

@Wolgwang the latter sounds promising

Wolgwang

@CinCout Positive score?

CinCout

@Wolgwang on the comment? Definitely

Wolgwang

06:40

Hmm

Wolgwang

06:53

@CinCout These are my three comments:

What have you tried? — Wolgwang yesterday

It is not clear. — Wolgwang 18 hours ago

You can use hyperlink:

[Stats.SE](https://stats.stackexchange.com/questions/557353/‌generate-two-gaussia‌n-random-variables-a‌ccording-to-the-give‌n-auto-covariance-an‌)

It looks like this: Stats.SE — Wolgwang 14 hours ago

Can't find anything :-/

CinCout

we need another use with the hat

Panda

Anyone seen Helping Heart before?

cdn.sstatic.net/Winterbash/img/hat/984736.svg?v=8d42650e0fe0

This user has it.

Wolgwang

07:09

@Panda I think I had seen it on this user only...

CinCout

@Panda add it to the list

Wolgwang

I am adding.

@CinCout Helping hands ?

CinCout

@Wolgwang yeah

Wolgwang

@CinCout I think all those comments had triggered both hats for me( that is Hand and finger)

Things to note:
1) All three OP had edited their questions.
2) All three hadn't received any answer.
3 I was the first to comment on all three posts.

@CinCout Anything matches with your activity?

CinCout

i dont have the hand, but points 2 and 3 match for the finger

Wolgwang

07:26

@AnkitSharma You have all [....]logue hats?

Ankit Sharma

@Wolgwang ??

Wolgwang

Monologue , Dialogue , Trialogue, Quadralogue?

Ankit Sharma

Do we even have Quadralogue :D

Wolgwang

@AnkitSharma Quadalogue... 😅

I just noticed you are a mod :-o

@AnkitSharma Had you received 4 answers on some question?

Ankit Sharma

@Wolgwang nah

@Wolgwang yeah I slept and wakeup like a mod :p

Wolgwang

07:32

@AnkitSharma Serious?

Ankit Sharma

I did some satanic rituals before sleeping if it counts

Wolgwang

@AnkitSharma For which question, have you recieved these hats?

This ?

CinCout

lol. @AnkitSharma is a veteran at Movies & TV

Ankit Sharma

@Wolgwang tri yes I guess, i only asked 2 question and one is closed

Wolgwang

@AnkitSharma Dialogue : Ask a positively scored question that gets answered twice....What do you think?

Ankit Sharma

07:40

2

Q: Multi linear flow issue in blog writing

I sometimes write about my experiences and day-to-day thought processes. Usually what I get the issue with writing such texts is linearity. For example, I started writing a blog sometimes back about leaving footprints when you are left, which is here. So while writing this, it went too much to an...

@Wolgwang I got dialogue for this which got only one answe

Maybe answer+commnet

As I commneted on answer

Same criteria matched for meta where I have the same hat

Wolgwang

@AnkitSharma Ohk I have also found a user who have all hats till Trialogue and only one answer.

Ankit Sharma

comment on answer

Wolgwang

@AnkitSharma Comment on answer matches with the above user...

Ankit Sharma

@Wolgwang let me test on 3rd site wait

How long to wait O.o

Wolgwang

yesterday, by Catija

~ 5 minutes?

Ankit Sharma

07:46

@CinCout yup

@Wolgwang ok

Wolgwang

@AnkitSharma I guess you had a different parent profile linked to SE.

Ankit Sharma

Dialogue is for commenting on the answer hence proved ( + question and answer positive score too?) @Wolgwang @Catija ?

@Wolgwang what?

Wolgwang

:)

Ankit Sharma

Testing comment, kindly ignore — Ankit Sharma ♦ 7 mins ago

Wolgwang

@AnkitSharma NVM

Ankit Sharma

07:49

this triggered it

Wolgwang

@AnkitSharma I know wonder what happens if you accept the answer?

Ankit Sharma

@Wolgwang I think for Trialogue either you need a comment back from the answerer or you need two answers. I will count comment back theory for now

Yeah, it will be SO-only (or the non-English SO sites). All the sites where dark mode is available. — Yaakov Ellis ♦ yesterday

Wolgwang

@AnkitSharma Do you have E-pic?

Ankit Sharma

I think this comment back gave me the tri hat

@Wolgwang not yet, what is your guess for that?

Wolgwang

@AnkitSharma I thought it was for bookmarks but it is not :-/

Ankit Sharma

07:56

oh

Wolgwang

@AnkitSharma Trialogue is for receiving a comment by the OP of answer on the answer?

Ankit Sharma

@Wolgwang that's my guess for now

Wolgwang

@AnkitSharma Maybe for crossing a views cap?

Ankit Sharma

my max view are 335 only

Didn't asked or answered enough

I got one question to ask right now saving for moon hat

Wolgwang

@AnkitSharma Nah!

@AnkitSharma I think commenting on question also works. Take a look at the newest question of this user

Ankit Sharma

08:05

ok

Wolgwang

@Wolgwang [Redacted] @AnkitSharma Most probably for not editing the question (maybe glasses are pun for not committing any mistake) Take a look at this user

Ankit Sharma

@Wolgwang I have movies question with no edit , finger crossed for Spotless but no epic for that

Wolgwang

:-/

Ankit Sharma

09:00

(+1 Comment on a new user's first post) for Helping finger, right?

Join on substring column? Is the table small else it's gonna be super slow. — Ankit Sharma 2 hours ago

I thought I qualified

Wolgwang

@AnkitSharma Haven't you got the hat?

Ankit Sharma

@Wolgwang nopes and way more then 5 mins

Wolgwang

@AnkitSharma Three times ?

Ankit Sharma

@Wolgwang ohh it need to happen three times, ok

I though X3 was three time confirmed by catija :D

Wolgwang

@AnkitSharma XD

Ankit Sharma

09:03

So it's three posts or only onepost is fine but three comment/

Wolgwang

3 hours ago, by Catija

I wasn't expecting to have to do math.

CinCout

@AnkitSharma i did it on 3 different posts

@AnkitSharma hahaha lol

Ankit Sharma

I need to be more attentive

Wolgwang

@AnkitSharma As you are from movies and tv.SE:

@Slate Dialogue is for commenting(by question's OP) on either answer or question(with +ve score)?

Anyone here got E-oic?

Is that for accepting the only answer (without any edit)?

Why so many people on SO have Trialogue ? sus

@Wolgwang No

SPArcheon

10:16

@VLAZ in case no one replied, know that Yaakov stated that he awarded three hats manually. One to him, one to another staff member and probably.. you are the third one.

So either the thing was borked or - more probably - he changed the rules on the run.

I suspect that initially he intended to give the hat only thru a quiz that will be hosted at the /unicorn url like last year.

@YaakovEllis If you dare adding the song, then it is required that you add a Gawr Gura hat to balance things out.

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

10:45

Hi guys

any secret hat tips?

Wolgwang

@U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward Which one do you want? :)

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

Any :)

Wolgwang

@LukasRotter Note that they got the answer without editing the question.

(P.S.: You can also find many users like that)

Take a look [here ](chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/1?m=59907715#59907715).

@U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward There is no hat named 'any' XD

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

See some confirmed ones

Three comments made here, stackoverflow.com/questions/70391961/…, stackoverflow.com/questions/70391870/… and stackoverflow.com/questions/70391853/…

Waiting/hoping for upvotes :)

Lukas Rotter

Any ideas for Matryoshka? IIRC the 5 users I saw yesterday with that hat all got a "Nice/Popular Question" badge for a question they asked, which might be a side effect.

they definitely all received some bronze badges

@Catija Do API calls count towards hats? On PSE I have a bot which automatically edits some old questions with my account, in case I could somehow get a hat for that.

U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward

10:59

Got helping finger

9 hats

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