Software Recommendations

Seth

12:00 AM

> Vote again in 7 seconds

:D

Undo

yay!

Gilles

I see, alt and option are the same key

it makes sense now

Undo

They aren't on the physical keyboard...

Oh wait, yes they are

Hiya @Izzy

Seth

We'll be out of private beta in 3 days..

aaand I have 17k rep now.. It was 6.5 5 minutes ago.

I'm being bludgeoned with 5s :O

Izzy

@Undo Hiya, Undo! Missing dotVezz here :)

@Seth Need to catch up... didn't we just enter that phase?

Seth

12:11 AM

@Izzy Pretty much. It only lasts 7 days. Definition -> Commitment -> Private Beta -> Beta -> Graduation.

Undo

@Izzy Private beta is where a site starts

Izzy

And Android.SE, we cannot wait to see SoftWrecks going public, btw. Next thing then is I'll request the migration path for (felt) 50% of the questions we get #D

Gilles

Took me a few secs. After getting the joke: What's the "K" for, Jay... ahem, G? — Izzy 5 mins ago

I don't get it

@Izzy no migrations until we get mods

Izzy

@Gilles MIB

Undo

@Izzy You aren't supposed to migrate to beta sites.

Izzy

12:13 AM

(Men-in-Black)

Gilles

@Undo no, you can, but with caution

Seth

@Izzy gulps

Undo

@Gilles But you don't want a 3k migration path.

Gilles

it's up to us here to decide whether we want incoming migrations, from which sites, at what rate, etc.

Izzy

@Undo No, my mistake in phrasing it. I of course was referring to "full membership".

Gilles

12:13 AM

@Undo you can want it but you can have it

Undo

@Izzy Oh, yes.

shudders

Gilles

Computer Science would like a migration path from Theoretical Computer Science, Theoretical Computer Science would like a migration path to Computer Science. But we can't have it until CS graduates :(

Izzy

@Gilles Thanks! So I remember which Meta to raise the Q then :)

@Gilles Theoretical only? What does that help? Impractical #D

Undo

This is going to be an insanely hard site to moderate.

Especially with like every tech site wanting to chuck questions our direction :P

Seth

Heh. AU doesn't have any migration paths.. I'm kinda sore over that.

Izzy

12:15 AM

@Undo I bet. Guess why I didn't nominate myself for tempMod ;)

Gilles

@Izzy more to the point, research-level only

Undo

Guess why I didn't :P

Seth

@Undo Just don't "undo" anything Gilles does :P (jk ofc)

Izzy

I was nominated on ASE last time, but didn't accept back then. Thought about doing so for temp, but hesitated for exactly that purpose...

Gilles

@Seth I suspect that AU should have U&L as a migration path, as it gets quite a few questions which are ok save for being about Mint and stuff

Izzy

12:17 AM

@Gilles No. I was kidding. Context: "they want a theoretical migration path?"

I should stop making jokes. First the MIB, now this one...

Seth

@Gilles We wanted one.. but the powers that be said "we don't trust you".

Gilles

@Izzy I haven't seen MIB, so the joke passed by me

Izzy

@Gilles Ah, I see. Short explanation: Agents' names got all their letters cut off except for the first. Main characters are "K" and "J". Forgot the full names, though, as intended :D

Hence "G" was a reference to you ;)

Ah, J was James, right...

Seth

@Undo Ack. You've passed me in rep again ;P

Undo

@Seth Yeah, this is the closest rep race I've seen in a private beta.

Seth

12:31 AM

Hmm, good point, everyone has about the same rep.. Interesting.

Journeyman Geek

12:42 AM

morning

Undo

@JourneymanGeek Morning :D

Izzy

@JourneymanGeek Hey J!

Gilles

Here we go:

-1

Q: Tablet with a keyboard

I'm looking for a tablet with a keyboard, or should I say a netbook with a touchscreen. I'll be using it on the go, like I've been using my netbook which has reached its end of life. My usage includes not only web browsing, but also word processing and some light development. Absolute requiremen...

Undo

I don't think we should...

At least not without a CM approval...

Gilles

wow, that was quick. The downvoter didn't even take the time to read the question...

Izzy

12:57 AM

Yupp. But to be expected. Site title is SOFTWARE recommendations.

Gilles

@Izzy please read my meta post. The title is irrelevant at this stage. It's a historical accident. We need to think about that, not reach blindly.

Izzy

@Gilles I'm already in the middle of the post (including it's answers). Still tend to go with Tim.

We've had some similar things popping up on Android.SE, as whether to extend our scope to also include X.

Gilles

one precedent I'm familiar with is Science Fiction & Fantasy, which started out as “science fiction”

Undo

I think we need to be very very careful around touching the scope. Especially in broadening it

2

Izzy

The latest X we had was "Google Glass". Not that big an issue, as it's not that wide-spread.

@Undo +100!

Gilles

1:03 AM

@Undo we aren't so much broadening it as defining it

Area 51 can do the broad brush strokes, but nuances like hardware vs software or game vs software escape it

Undo

@Gilles [software] -> [software + hardware] is broadening.

Izzy

@Gilles But this one is about doubling the scope. It will already be hard to manage as-is.

Gilles

you need real questions, not just title, and you need real meta discussions with engaged people, not just D.A51

Undo

Then let's get a definitive go/no-go answer before we start asking questions.

Gilles

@Undo on the contrary, it's a lot easier to reason with some concrete questions to go with

Undo

1:05 AM

No, we can't just start asking questions clearly outside the scope and then ask about them.

Gilles

If we have a few hardware questions, and we say “these are good questions but not suitable for this site because …”, then we've ruled out hardware with reason

Undo

We can rule out hardware with a reason anyway

Izzy

@Undo I second that. Should be the other way around.

Gilles

@Undo hardware isn't clearly outside the scope, any more than games were

Undo

I think it is.

Izzy

1:06 AM

May I exaggerate a little, quoting from your answer on Meta, @Gilles?

do hardware and software target the same audience? -> So does diving and fishing. Both go for the fish.

Gilles

go ahead

@Izzy I have no idea what your metaphor is supposed to mean

Izzy

It's two different scopes in the same area.

Might be my personal/subjective view, but I'd rather see "Hardware recs" as a separate site. Currently, we have only "little" audience. Wait until "the opening", and see how hard it will get to manage all the software recs alone.

Gilles

It's better to work on the scope early

as time goes by, the scope becomes less malleable

Izzy

To keep a focus just on that will already be hard work. By adding the hardware section, we'd double that. Guess what comes next: Shopping recs.

Undo

at the very least we need mods first to watch over our attempts, making the CMs have to deal with us making major changes to scope isn't fair.

In fact, I'd argue that the CMs launched the site with the expectation that it would be a software recs site. I don't think we really want to play with that.

And we don't have a shortage of content, anyway.

Izzy

1:11 AM

And introducing hardware recs as on-topic, you are almost crying for those shopping questions.

@Undo Definitly not! Wait until the folks from Android.SE roll in!

Undo

shudders

Izzy

LOL

Undo

This might be one of those 90-day beta sites, actually.

I hope not.

We're going to triumph or fail extremely fast at this speed.

Izzy

@Undo Neither do I! This site IMHO fills a gap that was open far too long.

Undo

No, a site that's only in beta 90 days. Then we graduate or fail.

Maybe 180 days.

But we just got 200 questions in three days, and it's not really slowing down quickly.

Gilles

1:15 AM

*(#&(^#()%^#*()%# chrome crashed

where were we?

Undo

@Gilles Not very far away from when you left ;)

Gilles

@Izzy please don't use “shopping question” without defining it

Super User lumps everything that's vaguely a recommendation into that term

Journeyman Geek

@Gilles: I've answered your question SU style - by focusing on things to look for other than a model recommendation ;p

Undo

@JourneymanGeek No-go here.

Journeyman Geek

@Gilles: I think its cause of how people interpreted the Q&A is hard, lets go shopping, and that we worked around it by changing how we asked questions

Gilles

1:18 AM

@JourneymanGeek I'm familiar with some of that history

Journeyman Geek

@Undo: oh, primarily cause whatever I answer will change in 6 months to a year. Focusing on tech and interfaces makes for an answer that should be reasonably correct quite some time in the future

Gilles

Jeff said “shopping questions bad”. Then he went back to SU and said “hey, this isn't what I meant by shopping questions!”

Izzy

@Gilles Specific shopping recommendations. How long will the answers stay relevant?

Journeyman Geek

@Gilles: well, he basically created an exception, which no one pays attention to any more ;p

Undo

I'm going to be clear here: Unless we ask and get approval from a CM to expand to hardware questions before doing it, we will probably fail.

Seth

1:20 AM

@JourneymanGeek Did you ever update your question? 'cause if you did, I didn't notice ;)

Izzy

Oh, and how long will the question have value even?

Journeyman Geek

@Seth: I don't have access to a box with office yet

Gilles

@Izzy That is a valid argument. I don't know that it carries the motion.

Journeyman Geek

I'll ping you when I do, sorry

Seth

Hmm. Edit privileges on meta too.. FIX ALL THE "STACKEXCHANGE"s!

Undo

1:21 AM

@Seth Ah yes. We must fix those!

Seth

And the StackOverflows and the softwarerecommendations.

Luckily there won't be any "AskUbuntu"s on this site.

Izzy

@Seth Huh?

Gilles

my meta pet peeve is the tags. You don't have to stick to the 4 mandatory tags!

Undo

Yeah, there's that too.

Seth

@Izzy One of my pet peeves is people spelling it "Stackexchange" without the space. That extends to just about every site name there is.

@JourneymanGeek ok cool. Just making sure :)

Undo

1:23 AM

@Seth Ugh. I detest that.

Seth

Good luck getting that diamond!

@Undo That was what my earlier message was all about..

Undo

@Seth Yup.

Seth

NOOOOOOO! Even jcolebrand got it wrong D:

Journeyman Geek

@Seth: I wasn't kidding when I said RA/SU would bug me till I do. I already occationally get hints I better stand for the next election there, so I figure what the heck. ;p

Undo

@Seth D:

Seth

1:25 AM

@JourneymanGeek Hey, we need someone to be the moderators. I think you'll do a good job.

Gilles

@Undo Hey, don't bump all the meta threads!

Undo

@Gilles Well... we can edit the grammar mistakes out of them :P

Gilles

I prefer to only fix threads that have already been bumped for something else

Izzy

@Seth Ah. Then I got you wrong, sorry. I was on a different track ("No people from X here" ;)

@Seth Take the designers. And a look at the ~~StackExchange~~ Stack Exchange logo on the MetaCollider™ :)

Undo

@Izzy --- ~~three dashes~~ --- for strikethrough on Chat.

Izzy

1:33 AM

@Undo Tnx :)

I always get confused of which way to do it in a) a post, b) a comment and c) on chat.

gparyani

@juergend You've been nominated to become a mod pro tem!

Izzy

And which works where...

gparyani

0

A: Nominate temporary moderators for this site here

I'd like to nominate juergen d, the original proposer of this site. In my eyes, he is the only one who knows how to moderate the site; otherwise, how would he have the audacity to propose it in the first place? http://softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/users/135/juergen-d http://meta.softwarerecs.s...

Undo

Yeah, it's confusing.

Izzy

@Undo Indeed.

gparyani

1:36 AM

@Gilles Well, it looks like you are undecided. You have to either explicitly approve or it will be considered a reject.

Undo

@gparyani On his nomination?

gparyani

Yes; look at his edit to the answer that nominates him.

@Undo And yes, I nominated @juergend.

Undo

Oh good.

Yeah, Gilles' does look rather undecided.

But I'd say it errs on the side of acceptance.

gparyani

I knew that someone would ask me who would I like to nominate, so I went ahead and nominated him.

I just flagged your comment as obsolete: meta.softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/questions/67/…

Gilles

@gparyani no, it doesn't work that way. SE staff looks at several things, including the nomination thread, and then contacts people by email. Even if you say “I accept” on meta, they still ask for confirmation

Undo

1:42 AM

@gparyani deletes comment

gparyani

Thanks for dismissing my flag as helpful

Undo

@Gilles I think they only do that if they decide to choose you, though. I.e. if they don't decide to choose you you don't get an email.

gparyani

Gilles' nomination has 6 downvotes

Undo

@gparyani Is the system smart enough to do that? Neat!

Gilles

@Undo yes, sure

Journeyman Geek

1:44 AM

hmm

Gilles

@gparyani I'm unsurprised: I have a very firm position on moderation, and naturally the people who want a different stance would not like me as a moderator

Journeyman Geek

I'm curious about something. Do we do one answer a recommendation, or do we just put multiple answers, one per rec?

Gilles

6

Q: What to do when an answer contains several suggestions?

The answer to this question gives 4 suggestions as a single answer. I think suggestion4 is great and suggestion1 is crap, but I can't express it by voting. For the user, there is no way to quickly see which suggestion is the most upvoted. They will think it is suggestion1, because answerer happen...

discussion

Izzy

@JourneymanGeek The latter. So voting does the ranking.

Journeyman Geek

yeah, thats an odd thing about this site I need to get used to

Gilles

1:46 AM

@JourneymanGeek the former. If you offer multiple choices, you should say when each one is preferable, which works a lot better in a single post.

Undo

^ this

Izzy

@JourneymanGeek Welcome to the club! My first answer, I was tapping into the same trap :)

Undo

Aaack, this art history book I have to read decided to put a diamond after every important person's name. So confusing :P

gparyani

World Engineer's self-nomination has 9 upvotes and 3 downvotes

Journeyman Geek

Pondering the BT client question, I've gone through a few, so trying to think of anything else that would fit the OPs needs or is at least worth mentioning

gparyani

1:49 AM

@Undo Did you just upvote my answer?

Or was it you, @Gilles?

Undo

@gparyani Which one where?

Izzy

@Gilles Ugh. I get your point. So let's say "it depends"?

gparyani

The one where I nominated @juergend

Undo

Oh, votes are private ;)

Seth

@Izzy Yes, but that is a logo, so it is rather different. If you read the blog posts they spell it "Stack Exchange".

Undo

1:49 AM

Especially my mod votes.

Izzy

I mean, just putting a list (without relating its items) wouldn't be such a good idea (and should rather be split).

Journeyman Geek

oh, I try to avoid those sorts of answers.

I like screenshots too much ;p

Izzy

@Seth I even remember an article explaining that, and how to use it, and how to refer to the single "stacks". Just forgot most of its details #/

gparyani

The guys on Super User should edit the off-topic close reason for recommendation questions to point here

as well as the software-rec tag there.

Seth

Not yet, we're still in private beta.

Undo

1:51 AM

Oh dear.

Izzy

@JourneymanGeek Me too, that's why I try to include them whenever possible. Ya know: "a picture...1000 words"

gparyani

...when this site comes to public beta, that is.

Wasn't that obvious?

Undo

imagines giant waterfall of cross-posted SU questions

Seth

@gparyani no

Besides, I'm not sure SU closes all soft-rec questions..

gparyani

cross-posts migrated to this site -> too many duplicates, let me guess?

Izzy

1:52 AM

@gparyani We just had that topic a few minutes ago, concerning ASE. We have to close at least 5 questions a day for that...

Stack Exchange

0

Q: Tag for OS-agnostic questions?

Stack Overflow has a language-agnotic tag, for questions that don't specifically require a answer in any one language. Do we need a os-agnostic tag, for if we don't care which OS the answer is in? I've created on as stuck it on this question. The usecase is slightly different, I'm not certain i...

discussion tags

Seth

> in my eyes, he is the only one who knows how to moderate the site;

O_o

Gilles

@gparyani no, not until we've firmed up our scope. It'll take at least a few weeks.

when things have stabilized here, when we have a clear scope and some policies and some mods, then we'll decide what kind of content we want to encourage from other sites

it should be progressive, so that we aren't submerged by new users

Undo

@Gilles agrees with this

Gilles

there've already been flags on SO to migrate here… with the site only three days old!

Undo

1:56 AM

@Gilles Hah! I wonder who from...

There can't be that many folks that know about us.

The PT mods are going to get pinged in TL a lot, aren't they?

Izzy

@Undo Peek into other chat-rooms. That's how I found out :)

Gilles

@Undo probably

Undo

I feel sorry for them :P

Gilles

it won't be as bad as moderating SO. Not only do they get all the crazies, but they have something like 200 flags per mod per day

Undo

yes, but if we are going to end up with a ton of crazies too.

especially if we ever get into an OT close reason on a Trilogy site

I've got to go eat some nutritional substances, cya folks!

Undo

2:36 AM

is back

Stack Exchange

8:39 AM

0

Q: tag: library vs tag: software-library

Up until 3 or 4 minutes ago there was 1 question using the [software-library] tag and 1 using the [library] tag. Then I did a question and that changed it to 2 to 1. So which tag should be used?

discussion

Stack Exchange

9:58 AM

0

Q: "Java IDE" questions - you're doing it wrong

I disagree with closing this question: IntelliJ IDEA vs Eclipse vs NetBeans for "pure Java" development I need to refer to my previous post again: Is tool x versus tool y a fair question? (lowest answer) Another question about Java IDE - Java IDE that is compatible with git - is also closed as ...

discussion

Stack Exchange

10:28 AM

0

Q: Asking about software/tool comparison questions on topic?

I am talking about the question based on asking for advice in choosing one of x tools. Reason behind this is, users intend to ask questions for finding a tool that will help them do their work. But comparison questions are quite deeper than that situation since the user already know something ab...

discussion

Nicolas Raoul

12:43 PM

Titles of recent meta discussions: "You're doing it all wrong!" "Java IDE questions - you're doing it wrong" ... I think that meta questions need good titles, and these are not good titles.

Angelo Neuschitzer

12:59 PM

I was cosidering to try to become mod on SW-rec. But as I have no experience in modding, I would like to ask the ones of you who have: How much work is it (in hours / day?)

Gilles

1:13 PM

@AngeloNeuschitzer it depends on the site, both in terms of level of activity and level of difficulty. This site is likely to be on the high side for both. But we might get more than 3 mods because of this.

On Science Fiction & Fantasy, I spent maybe ½hour per week on average (that was up to a year ago, activity's gone up a bit since)

A good mod checks the site at least once most days and spends a few minutes dealing with flags and meta posts, and if that cuts on question answering time so be it

Gilles

2:12 PM

I think we're going to have many such cases:

Welcome to Software Recommendations. We want answers that explain how the recommended product matches the requirements and fits the purpose of the question. What you've written here is little more than ad copy for the product. Could you expand it to demonstrate how this product fits? See this meta post for tips on writing an answer. — Gilles 19 secs ago

Comments on the wording of my comment?

In that thread only Izzy's answer matches my ideal for an answer, the others are all on the thin side

Stack Exchange

2:33 PM

0

Q: Vague [editor] tag

Question about text, video or image editor? It could be used for any purposes. I think this tag should be removed.

discussion tags

Stack Exchange

3:09 PM

0

Q: Is [software-development] a meta-tag?

In the review queue, I often see edits just adding the software-development tag. And in most cases, I don't see why it should be required there. Example: From already existing tags, it's quite clear what's looked for: c# alone does that (why should one look for an application which is written ...

discussion tags

Undo

4:10 PM

wakes up

Izzy

@Undo Good morning, software-wreck :)

Undo

heh

I just love how active meta is.

Izzy

No offense meant – I simply can't get over that suggestion for our chat room :)

Undo

I can't either ;)

Izzy

@Undo Hard to catch up here. But that's only good. Guess it will calm down a bit when things are formed.

Undo

4:14 PM

Probably.

But the good thing is people want to form it.

Which is awesome.

Izzy

Full ack!

That's one of the reasons I came here, to help this site grow and mature. It's strongly needed IMHO, filling a huge gap existing far too long on SE.

Undo

We need all the help we can get.

This site is going to be way more difficult to handle than any other SE site so far.

Izzy

Far too many questions have to be closed on other stacks, because people do not know where else to ask for "software recs". On ASE, I often try to re-phrase them in a way they can be kept (making "is there an app for..." to "how can I..."), though it's often clear they can only be answered with a s-rec.

Undo

Oooh! I just figured out what ASE means!

Izzy

Oh, wait! There comes a question for me...

Undo

4:18 PM

As soon as we graduate we're going to have insane numbers of questions rolling in.

Izzy

@Undo LOL Yeah, Android.SE.

Undo

hehe

Izzy

@Undo No doubt!

Undo

The scary thing is that our job is to vet every. single. one. :P

Did we come to an agreement to nuke [software-development]? softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/589

Izzy

4:37 PM

According to that edit, it seems like. Maybe you join in and vote on my request at Meta? 2 out of several hundreds makes no democratic decision. And we don't yet have our own mods for a monarchic decision :)

Currently, none of the answers has a vote.

But with leventov changing his mind, both answers point the same direction.

Undo

Oh. Completely missed the meta question :P

Meta is too fast-paced :P

Izzy

LOL

Didn't we just talk about that? :D

Undo

Yup :D

I'm having a hard time seeing it as a meta tag.

Izzy

So with that, we now proved it beeing "too fast"? :D

Undo

hehe

So Robert's answer says this:

> Meta tags label questions with things like beginner or fun or emergency. You can often identify a meta tag by asking yourself this question: "Is this question about the subject of {beginner}?" If the question doesn't make sense, it's most likely a meta tag.

"Is this question about the subject of software development?" makes sense to me.

Izzy

4:41 PM

That's one meaning of meta-tag. There's a second one.

Undo

Gilles' answer:

> Here is a “smell test” for tags:
> - Can you objectively determine whether the tag does or does not apply to a given question?
> - Can you say that a question is “about <tag name>”?

Izzy

Tag it "solution-finding" (or just "solution", or "recommendation"). Now ask your question again.

Undo

Ahh

Izzy

"Is it about 'recommendation'?" Sure. But if not, it's off-topic #D

Undo

I think [software-development] passes Gilles' test too.

Izzy

4:42 PM

Too-broad. Can be applied to far too many things.

Undo

I don't think we can call a tag too broad, as long as it isn't intrinsic.

Izzy

@Undo If it were absolutely clear, I hadn't asked on meta. Or rather I had requested to simply drop the tag, not "what shall we do".

Undo

true...

I just don't think we need to remove it.

Izzy

See my arguments with leventov in the comments. I cannot see how that tag is useful. And I even convinced him.

Undo

It's a good way to categorize all the programming-related questions together.

[php] applies to quite a few questions on SO, that doesn't mean we need to remove it.

(not the best example, I know)

Izzy

4:45 PM

@Undo Express your opinion on Meta: write up your answer and reasoning.

Undo

Yeah, methinks I shall.

Izzy

@Undo That's a different thing: on a dev site like SO, a 'php' tag on a question has a quite straight and clear meaning.

Undo

Here it does too, right?

I'm probably missing something really basic, of course :P

Izzy

@Undo The PHP tag? Sure.

Undo

No, the SD tag.

(got tired of writing software-development)

Anyway, I'll pound out an answer with my reasoning.

Izzy

4:48 PM

But the only thing pro "software-development" would be to group all dev questions. Sounds nice, but is it needed? If you're developing in C++, you probably are not interested in IDEs for VB :)

Undo

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A: Is [software-development] a meta-tag?

I'm of the opinion that it's a perfectly good tag and should be kept. Here's why: In the question What is a meta tag?, Both Robert and Gilles set forth some criteria. Here's Robert Cartaino's: Proper tags describe what the question is about. "Meta tags" are things users add to describe other...

Izzy

Yupp. Now things get interesting :)

Guess I've used the wrong title (XY-problem). Whether it's a Meta-Q or not, I was rather after whether it's useful and should be kept, or not :)

Undo

@Izzy Yeah, I would edit the title.

@Izzy I like that title.

Izzy

What? The new one?

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Q: Should the [software-development] tag be removed?

In the review queue, I often see edits just adding the software-development tag. And in most cases, I don't see why it should be required there. Example: From already existing tags, it's quite clear what's looked for: c# alone does that (why should one look for an application which is written ...

discussion tags

Undo

Yeah, me likes the new one better.

Undo

5:32 PM

Is it odd that I'm seriously thinking about requesting we get another week in private beta?

Gilles

@Undo so we have more time to work on our quality policies?

Undo

@Gilles Yeah.

Gilles

you should air that on meta

Undo

I feel like if we got a huge rush right now, we might not be able to handle it.

Gilles

Usually it's traffic that keeps sites in private beta, and that's not an issue for us

Undo

5:33 PM

I've seen quality keep sites private.

Happened to Astro .

Although if we stay in private beta longer, we're spending more time without mods (and more time leaning on the CM team).

And I wanna flag some obsolete comments :P

Gilles

speaking of quality, any thoughts on the wording of my “please improve your answer comments”?

Welcome to Software Recommendations. We want answers that explain how the recommended product matches the requirements and fits the purpose of the question. What you've written here is little more than ad copy for the product. Could you expand it to demonstrate how this product fits? See this meta post for tips on writing an answer. — Gilles 3 hours ago

Undo

@Gilles yeah, we probably need a template thingy.

Hmmm...

@Gilles I kinda like that.

Seth

6:30 PM

I don't have anything against juergen, I don't even know him, but no one gets any special dibs on how a site is moderated or scope, etc. Even the person who proposed it. — Seth 29 secs ago

I just felt that was necessary..

Izzy

@Undo I use the CommentLinkHelper, see github.com/rchern/StackExchangeScripts

Can be adjusted. Adds an "auto" link where you can select templates from.

I even modified that script for more convenience. Could share my modified version – though its a bit adapted to the use on Android.SE

Ooops... looks like I've linked to the wrong set. Lemme check...

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Q: AutoReviewComments - Pro-forma comments for SE

No more re-typing the same comments over and over! This script adds a little 'auto' link next to all comments boxes. When you click the link, you see a popup with 6 configurable auto-comments (canned responses), which you can easily click to insert. This script was inspired by answers to thi...

script

Undo

6:55 PM

I was thinking... you know those little post notice thingies? Could we use those to our benefit here?

They look more official than comments.

like 'We expect answers to be more than just a link to software with a quick feature explanation. Explain why the software meets the needs of this individual question.'

Seth

@Undo Ahh. yes those would really help here I'm sure. I know SU uses them a lot.

I think mods can add them

Undo

@Seth Yes, and only mods.

Seth

right.

Gilles

@Seth but they can't be customized per site

Seth

@Gilles we shouldn't need much customization.

Gilles

7:01 PM

a comment linking to an official-looking meta post is also fairly official

@Seth link to a meta post explaining what makes a good answer

Seth

perhaps yeah.

Do we need paperless-office?

Undo

@Gilles Yeah, but those notice things just look better. And they're designed for this kind of thing.

Seth

@Undo this

Undo

I wouldn't be surprised if the messages aren't server-side validated, and we could write a userscript to change them.

Manish said that suspension reasons aren't.

Gilles

@Seth on this site? What the hell does it mean?

maybe on The Workplace it could make sense

Undo

7:04 PM

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Q: Document manager for paperless office

In my effort to reduce my life's clutter, I've bought a scanner, and scanned the thousands of paper documents scattered around my house. To make this worthwhile I need a software which will enable me to save all these documents securely, as well as allow me to find the ones I need when I need th...

backup document-indexing paperless-office

^ Its only question

Seth

Yeah.. I don't think it makes sense.

Gilles

this could equally work at home

hell, the guy wants it for home, not for work

burninate

Seth

done

You know, I was thinking, our edit privs go away when we reach public beta :-/

Gilles

yes, goes from 500 to 1000

the advantage of getting a lot of attention from community managers is that we can expect suggested edits to be dealt with at a reasonable pace

Undo

(another reason to postpone public beta)

Seth

7:10 PM

Alright.. What's i686?

Undo

@Seth 32-bit, IIRC

0

A: Nominate temporary moderators for this site here

I'd like to nominate Seth He's been a huge part of helping shape the community so far. He's said before that he would really need to think about it before accepting a nomination here, and I believe that the best mods are those that need to be arm-twisted into it.

@Seth I know you said you would have to think about it, but ^

Seth

@Undo That's.. odd.. And confusing :S

Undo

@Seth Yeah, it struck me as odd too.

Seth

@Undo Oh.. didn't see that coming :)

Undo

:)

Oh, and give yourself an upvote on my behalf.

Seth

7:14 PM

hehe, I guess I can do that xD

What to do about this:

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Q: "Java IDE" questions - you're doing it wrong

I disagree with closing this question: IntelliJ IDEA vs Eclipse vs NetBeans for "pure Java" development I need to refer to my previous post again: Is tool x versus tool y a fair question? (lowest answer) Another question about Java IDE - Java IDE that is compatible with git - is also closed as ...

discussion

It isn't exactly a question..

Gilles

8:44 PM

hey, a positive reaction!

@Gilles thanks for your comment. I got your point. I will expand my answer. — FeliceM 9 mins ago

Undo

8:58 PM

@Gilles Yay!

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