The Comms Room

voretaq7

10:00 PM

@Iain it's an answer in the form of a question (i.e. it should be rephrased as an answer)

Michael Hampton

@Iain I dunno, but I think you should point him at that post on meta, since he has done that quite a bit lately.

voretaq7

it fails the Trebek test

Iain

@MichaelHampton he is one of the main reasons I wrote it

Cole

Is this dude just a major tool?

ewwhite

@JoelESalas heh...

Iain

10:04 PM

@voretaq7 ?

voretaq7

@Iain The equivalent of "You were correct, but you didn't phrase it in the form of a question" on Jeopardy

Personally I don't think that's really an "answer" myself -- it should rightly be a comment because it's requesting clarification from the asker

It would be an answer (possibly wrong) if it said "In order to do what you want you need to .... because ....."

Iain

@voretaq7 I see it more as a series of hints

voretaq7

@Iain are hints answers? (I think they can be - but you have to explain some of the "why" behind the hint or it's just voodoo. Short, slippery slope to "Disable SELinux and allow all traffic on the firewall!")

Michael Hampton

It's a bloody answer now!

Iain

@MichaelHampton you beat me to it

voretaq7

10:12 PM

@MichaelHampton "This answers the question, but doesn't help the asker understand why - it's a "Press the green button twice" solution..."

:-)

(or if you prefer: "Give a man a root shell and he'll crash the system. Teach a man to use a root shell and you can go on vacation and let him deal with the users for a few days.")

Michael Hampton

What halon comment?

Tanner

On the blog post: If the red button releases the halon, then that's a once in a lifetime trick.

Zoredache

Meh, I am more tempted to flag @HopelessN00b's response as not an answer. I completely agree with what he is saying though.

Tanner

I think there's just a bug on the page. Thought I saw somebody else upvote it (bringing it to 5) but when I refresh it's at 3.

voretaq7

@Tanner @MichaelHampton I'd rather know why the button colors aren't standardized

Tanner

10:20 PM

@voretaq7 RTFM or die?

voretaq7

EPO is almost always red. Door release is usually green (but I've seen red and yellow), Halon release is usually yellow (but I've seen red)...

@Tanner I think all the modern systems have a pre-action delay of at least 10 seconds

ewwhite

Sorry had to close the VMware 2.0 question.

voretaq7

@ewwhite Y U HATE OBSOLETE TECHNOLOGY?

Dan

@HopelessN00b Fight fight!

FWIW, I think I disagree with you on 192 addressing - even if you just pick one /24 you've got over 200 addresses which is a lot for most companies, and it wouldn't exactly be tough to VLAN off a bunch of 192.168.x.x subnets.

HopelessN00b

@Zoredache Meh. "Don't blow your foot off, dumbass" most certainly is an answer to the question "how do I pull the trigger of this shotgun when it's pointed at my foot???" Not the answer ~~VMWare Server guy~~ dumbass gun n00b wanted, but an answer nonetheless.

@Dan Depends... who am I fighting?

Dan

10:34 PM

@HopelessN00b Just spotted your rollback

HopelessN00b

@Dan Oh, that. Well it did totally change the meaning of my answer. And bring it to the attention of a downvoter...

Dan

@HopelessN00b Yeah, you were a bit harsh though

HopelessN00b

@Dan Sure. Still makes you look unprofessional, though, and appearances/how you come off are an important consideration.

Dan

@HopelessN00b I dunno, I wouldn't notice it - so long as it's VLANd up properly

HopelessN00b

@Dan Me? Too harsh? Never.

Cole

10:37 PM

Fucking bills

MDMarra

Hyper-V is weird

Cole

Yes.

MDMarra

You can run a VM on a cluster, on a CSV, without it being HA

So odd

Dan

@HopelessN00b ;) I don't think you're wrong in what you say, I just disagree if that makes sense. Personally I'd have a 10.0.0 address range in any network I built because I really don't understand why people limit themselves in private IP ranges. I've been on site somewhere this week with a /26 server VLAN. WHY WHY WHY?

Cole

@MDMarra the first time I heard the term "CSV" for Hyper-V I was like - wait what?!

MDMarra

10:39 PM

heh

Cluster Shared Volume

freiheit

@Dan What's wrong with a /26 server VLAN? I've got a /28 server VLAN..

Dan

@MDMarra Not sure what's so odd, or am I misunderstanding? I mean, you can do exactly that with vmWare surely

freiheit

Heck, I've got 12 /28 server VLANs. ;)

MDMarra

@Dan How can you run a VM on a vSphere cluster without that VM being HA?

Dan

@freiheit Why limit yourself?

MDMarra

10:40 PM

If it's on the cluster in VMware, and that cluster is configured for HA, everything will failover when a host dies

freiheit

@Dan We don't want to run out of room in our /16

MDMarra

Not so in Hyper-V unless you explicitly mark each VM as HA

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@Dan smaller broadcast domains may make sense if your applications are broadcast/multicast-heavy

Dan

@MDMarra Ah, in VMware you can manually pull a VM out of HA though

MDMarra

How?

Adrian

10:42 PM

Odd. I'd forgotten that I'd dropped at VTC on that bad old vmware question.

Dan

@DennisKaarsemaker That's fine, I grasp that, but it's much harder to expand than it is to simply not fill your VLAN up

Zoredache

@DennisKaarsemaker Having a nice large set of addresses available, doesn't hurt anything. You don't have to actually use them.

Michael Hampton

Yeah, I love my /64 subnets. I don't think any of them will ever run out of addresses.

Dan

@MDMarra Doesn't changing the VM Restart Policy do the trick?

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@Zoredache of your total address space is big enough. We carve our 10.0.0.0/8 into a set of /16's per dc (one for each security zone). So 255 /24's left, to divide among applications, should be doable :)

MDMarra

10:45 PM

@Dan I don't think so? Not on an HA cluster, right?

Maybe it does, I don't know

Dan

I guess for me it's more of an issue because I tend to work in places that don't have on site network expertise so I walk in and we're stuck with what they were given [x] years back

@MDMarra You've made me question myself now, but I don't have anything to connect to

MDMarra

Me neither

I don't have prod access to anything at $newjob

voretaq7

@DennisKaarsemaker we do basically the same thing - our numbering scheme is 10.[site].[purpose].[machines]

[purpose] can theoretically span a /23 or more if it had to, but the chances of us ever needing more than 255 machines under a specific purpose code is.... small :)

Dennis Kaarsemaker

it's not at all small for us, it's a certainty :)

HopelessN00b

@Zoredache Well, of course, the problem is that when you have 8388606 possible addresses, if you lose a server's IP, it can take forever to find it again.

voretaq7

10:48 PM

(and if we ever did it would be office workstations, which are under 192.168/16, and could move into the 172 net if they had to)

Dan

I *think* that backs up what I'm saying, but it's late here :D
http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&cmd=displayKC&externalId=1002079

HopelessN00b

Damn ping scan's been running for 6 years now, still haven't found which IP my server's at. >:/

voretaq7

@DennisKaarsemaker I very much like not being at an ISP anymore :-)

and on that note I have to procure worms for my lizard. Adios!

Zoredache

@HopelessN00b how do you lose a servers IP? Don't you have DDNS, cam tables on your switches, arp tables on your routers, and so on that would help you track down a lost system?

freiheit

@HopelessN00b broadcast ping

HopelessN00b

10:51 PM

@Zoredache I wrote it down on a post-it note and the cleaning crew threw it out. :(

Dan

@MDMarra Just in case you do actually want to know:
http://www.vmware.com/files/pdf/VMwareHA_twp.pdf
Page 19 in particular.

The note about priority being per host is interesting, though, I didn't know that. I expect that could be a serious consideration when you have a lot of hosts in a cluster

MDMarra

interesting

Joel E Salas

@Dan You shouldn't have a lot of hosts in a cluster

Dan

It scares me how big and complex these systems are, to be honest. I mean, how the hell do you ever get to 'expert' level with so much detail and information.

@JoelESalas Agreed, but it's still an intriguing footnote. You'd assume that vSphere would crack on with your high priority guests and go from there

Right then, bed time. Laters

MDMarra

@JoelESalas sure you should

well, define "a lot"

HopelessN00b

10:56 PM

@Dan Not having a life outside of work, which is 100% devoted to the giant VMWare farms you administer.

Cole

Augh, overwhelmed with bills

Michael Hampton

Cactus?

Cole

Feels like it

I hate getting paid every two weeks

freiheit

@Cole You'd prefer bimonthly? Monthly?

Cole

Weekly

MDMarra

11:02 PM

@freiheit semi-monthly!

freiheit

I get paid monthly. That's hard to get used to at first.

MDMarra

@Cole you need to budget, bro

Cole

@MDMarra that's what I'm doing right now

Michael Hampton

Cole

I need a PT job

or some side work

MDMarra

11:06 PM

Honestly, you should have no problem living alone on what you make though man

Cole

@MDMarra no, I know

ewwhite

@MDMarra Like a baller.

Cole

and I didn't before surgery

MDMarra

@ewwhite you know it

Just paid my car off, suckers

Cole

God damn you

Ugh I feel like I'm never going to get out of this

MDMarra

11:09 PM

You just need to make a plan

From what you've said, it's not insurmountable

Cole

It's not, I'm just an idiot

MDMarra

You make more money than a lot of couples our age, for real. Just stop spending so much goddamn money haha

Cole

I know, I just paid $1500 in bills

that includes my rent, btw

Joel E Salas

@MDMarra Rule of thumb is less than 10 right?

depending on HA requirements

MDMarra

@JoelESalas No idea

Cole

11:11 PM

I would like to get to a point where I just have to pay my cell, car insurance, rent/utilities/groceries

MDMarra

@JoelESalas 16 doesn't seem unreasonable.

Cole

but that's going to take years

MDMarra

@Cole probably not. What are your actual living expenses?

Rent, food (not eating out daily), heat/water, and minimum loan payments

Cole

Long list

MDMarra

Those are the minimum to live though

Cole

11:13 PM

It's close to $2500/month

that's just paying minimums

MDMarra

rent, food, heat/water, and minimum payments are essential

Cole

I never miss a payment or am late.

MDMarra

Everything else is a choice right?

Cole

Yeah, I mean I didn't eat out (LOLZ) this week except today

and that was $6

MDMarra

So then you just choose between things like new clothes, or paying down a high interest source of debt

or cable TV or paying of CC debt

Cole

11:15 PM

Yeah I need to cut my Verizon bill back

MDMarra

As long as you have shelter, food, and transit, everything else is optional. So then it becomes a question of "how long is acceptable"

Joel E Salas

@MDMarra Some of my pants are ten years old

Cole

@JoelESalas WHAT

MDMarra

Not me. I was 50lbs lighter then

I was a scrawny little dude

Cole

@MDMarra I was....70lbs lighter then

MDMarra

11:16 PM

They were probably also women's jeans

so there's that

Cole

Yes.

Joel E Salas

@MDMarra That's quite fashionable now

Cole

I was like a size 3-5 in women's

MDMarra

oh yeah good point

Cole

so that's what, a 28-29 in mens?

MDMarra

11:16 PM

no clue

Cole

It's tiny

Now I'm a 40 :/ well some pants I have are 38s

MDMarra

I'm a 35x31 so that basically means everything I buy gets tailored

Well, not everything

but pretty damn close

Cole

I really should get mine tailored

29 length is still way too long usually

MDMarra

styyyyylin

Cole

I have a severe beer belly

Which is now super apparent without boobs.

I should just focus on losing the weight, which would mean cooking for myself thus saving money.

Joel E Salas

11:19 PM

you guys are

sysadmins, I guess

MDMarra

?

Cole

I'm not huge: sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/…

Joel E Salas

I try to fight the whole "sysadmins are big fat guys" stereotype, it's not easy

every meetup I go I'm in the 20th percentile of fatitude

but there's always 3-5 guys that are ENORMOUS

Cole

but yeah, def. not skinny.

and I hate it. I have such a negative body image. THANKS TO BEING A FEMALE PREVIOUSLY I AM BRUTAL ON MYSELF.

freiheit

@JoelESalas It's difficult to be skinny when you sit in a chair 10+ hours a day and eat junk food. Even without the junk food it's hard.

Cole

11:21 PM

I'm just really hard on myself, overall. Every manager has told me that's my biggest downfall

Joel E Salas

@freiheit I'm trying super hard

because fuck that shit

freiheit

@JoelESalas I tried super-hard last year as part of training for a 300 mile 5 day bike ride. Lost about 10 pounds. Turns out, whether you're 250 pounds or 240 pounds, riding a bike up hills is hard. :)

Cole

If I get the job at Reebok, I have free access to the gym - and during the day they have sports you can play

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@freiheit time to lose another 50 then :)

Cole

I just realized I've been watching Say Yes To The Dress

freiheit

11:28 PM

@DennisKaarsemaker hey, I eventually made it up those hills...

Adrian

@Cole Ugh. My future-MIL and my fiance' have been dress shopping via Facebook messages. It's been brutal.

Cole

@Adrian ouch

So, Jenna and I are now officially together.

However, I gave her a long list of "ground rules"

Her fiance and her split last summer - now she just has a wedding dress in her closet Awkward.

I'm sorry but I have to share this picture of my niece

Zoredache

@Cole just what we need in this channel. Child porn...

3

:p

Cole

:P

She's so stinking cute!

My sister made some really cute kids

Also, she took those pictures. :)

Stack Exchange

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posted on March 28, 2013 by ryan

If you work in the tech industry, especially in the area of software development, you might use or at least be familiar with Rally. It's a web-based project management tool that follows the principles of the Agile development lifecycle. I've even seen Rally used to organize and track projects that were not actually software development projects. I've seen this because…

Cole

11:39 PM

Do you guys use Safari Books or buy physical books for tech books?

Ryan Ries

@Cole I used to have free Safari through my company but they dropped it. Now I mostly just buy ebooks from oreilly.com

Cole

@RyanRies do you read them on an iPad or something?

Adrian

Awesome. Face to Face interview scheduled for next week.

2

Ryan Ries

PC, iPhone, Kindle, whatever

Cole

@Adrian ooo for what? and congrats :D

Ryan Ries

11:41 PM

Tech material changes so fast that it doesn't seem right to get a physical copy unless you're buying something that is a little more timeless

MDMarra

@Adrian cool man! good luck

Ryan Ries

@Adrian Congrats

Cole

@RyanRies makes sense.

Adrian

@Cole Heh. Going to the Dark Side, actually.

Cole

DevOps?

Adrian

11:42 PM

@Cole Pretty much.

Cole

SHUN! SHUN THE TRAITOR!

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@Cole see it as a good thing: a sanity injection into the world of devops.

Cole

@DennisKaarsemaker true

Jacob

Really, I passed the audit, why a time limit

Cole

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Q: Domain users unable to access network drive

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Lord.

Journeyman Geek

11:48 PM

blog.cyberexplorer.me/2013/03/… this is pretty cool

Cole

Girlfriend: I'M STUPID Me: Good thing you're pretty..

I'm going to pay for that.

Matt Bear

@Cole yes... yes you are

unless you dangle somthing shiny, then she will forget

Cole

She just called me an idiot and moved on.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@Cole I called the wife an easter egg today. She asked why. I said: sweet and filled with chocolate.

She did not retaliate yet.

Cole

@DennisKaarsemaker LOL

Why do I still have Say Yes To The Dress on?! Christ.

Matt Bear

11:54 PM

@DennisKaarsemaker thats pretty good, better then "hard shell filled with boiled bird fetus"

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@MattBear I may have said "sweet, round and filled with chocolate" :)

Matt Bear

@DennisKaarsemaker ahh lol

Cole

@DennisKaarsemaker oh no, you're going to get it

and not the good kind

How long have you been married?

Dennis Kaarsemaker

4.5 years

+5 years engaged

Cole

and how long before being engaged

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