The Comms Room

RobM

11:00 AM

and I do mean sprinkle

tombull89

We haven't had any yet

Dan

I couldn't open my car doors :(

Dan

11:28 AM

0

Q: Hijack dns on my local ubuntu computer?

how can i hijack an dns entry for an domain on linux os(ubuntu precise 12.04)? i am interested in creating a dns cname alias for domain1.com to domain2.test.com. the problem is the applications uses 5 domains that point to 5 different db instances i want all to point to the same db instance, wit...

How can I do DNS without using DNS?

Iain

@Dan hosts file if nsswitch.conf is set up correctly. (which it should be out of the box). TBH I'm surprised it's not attracting close votes

Dan

And I agree

@Iain no, he doesn't want to use hosts either

tombull89

Well if he doesn't want to use hosts or DNS, what choices does he have?

Dan

@tombull89 Magic.

bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20610197

Hahaha, how does that happen

tombull89

11:55 AM

@Dan whoopsie!

The chief executive said confidentiality was taken seriously and telephone protocols are under review. and the nurse in question has been shown the door.

RobM

of course if it had been legit and the nurse had said "no" then hung up that would also be a nasty headline

Dan

@RobM Maybe, but I'd argue not

Or at least she should have gone up her chain of command

*Or his, for that matter

RobM

absolutely

its a bit of a clanger to drop and no mistake

Hennes

12:13 PM

Isn't is normal to give out all information without checks when someone phones?

Most places I have worked at check things out if you arrive in person, but not if you call

Dan

@Hennes When I was in hospital it appeared to be beyond them to give me, the patient, any information let alone any random callers

Hennes

Which is why you need your cellphone when you are hospitalised

Dan

Haha

Hennes

I wish I could say this was a joke. But no. Callers really got information more easily

I have been to offices, only to end up calling from their lobby so I got things faster.

pauska

Dan

12:21 PM

Does Facebook actually say that?

Seems a bit...controlling

Iain

@pauska I know someone who is married to their cousin

pauska

@Iain O_o

RobM

Reminds me of the famous Country and Western song: "I was my own grand paw"

I'm My Own Grandpa

"I'm My Own Grandpa" (sometimes rendered as "I'm My Own Grandpaw") is a novelty song written by Dwight Latham and Moe Jaffe, performed by Lonzo and Oscar in 1947, about a man who, through an unlikely (but legal) combination of marriages, becomes stepfather to his own stepmother — that is, tacitly dropping the "step-" modifiers, he becomes his own grandfather. In the '30s, Latham had a group, the Jesters, on network radio; their specialties were bits of spoken humor and novelty songs. While reading a book of Mark Twain anecdotes, he once found a paragraph in which Twain proved it would be...

Iain

Cousin marriage

The attitude to marriage between two cousins varies across jurisdictions and cultures. It may be considered ideal and actively encouraged, or uncommon but still legal, or considered incest and legally prohibited. Such marriages are often stigmatized in the Western world, but marriages between first and second cousins nevertheless account for over 10% of marriages worldwide. They are particularly common in the Middle East, where in some nations they account for over half of all marriages. Only particular kinds of cousin marriage have been allowed in many cultures, such as between cross c...

Dan

@Iain I'd click it but I'm monitored

Iain

12:30 PM

blue == OK

orange==depends

pink == no but perhaps

red == no

Dan

@Iain I really did think it was illegal over here

Hennes

Ugh

0

Q: Linux: Three default gateways?

My server has three default gateways, how can that be? Shouldn't there be one default gw? I have three NICs, each attached to a separate subnet: server1:~# route Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 10.5.0.0 * ...

linux routing

and reboot, ofcourse WTF?

pauska

@Iain not quite correct, you'll have to send in a formal application or something like that in norway in order to be allowed.

Iain

@pauska you should update the wikipedia page

pauska

@Iain I can't get your cancer ribbon link to work

Iain

12:42 PM

2

RobM

DJ Pon3 wears the ribbon

pauska

thanks

now, can anyone mash up a avatar for me? :)

Iain

@pauska I guess you need to be registered for it to last longer than a few hours

RobM

*googles sock pictures*

I'm on it

pauska

paddington bear taxi with my current gravatar (head+christmas hat) and that cancer ribbon on me and the bear

RobM

12:44 PM

I think Iain's the man for that kinda gravatar help. I bolloxed up when I tried to make a choppertar, no matter what I did

pauska

@Iain please? :)

Iain

I should have got a photo of the Paddington ride with no one in it when I was in Scarborough :(

RobM

@iain please? ;-)

pauska

@Iain flickr.com/photos/68029924@N07/6974894978/sizes/o/in/…

tombull89

Where I go swimming there's a Thomas The Tank Engine ride - I could take a photo of me on that.

RobM

12:59 PM

that could be good

Dan

1:11 PM

youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wa5JQC8VNdw

Iain

3

RobM

sweet

Dan

Thats brill

wsusoffline.net/docs

This is looking to be a handy tool

tombull89

1:28 PM

@Dan Nice, I've used a tool in the past like that, called AutoPatched or something.

wasn't 100% perfect but did a decent enough job.

Dan

@tombull89 Autopatcher? Their home page just caused Avast to kick off

tombull89

@Dan christ yeah Eset just had a fit too - I guess that's gone down the toilet.

Dan

@tombull89 Excellent!

RobM

Just had a complaint about our internet filtering from a teacher.

tombull89

@RobM go on...

RobM

1:33 PM

Apparently when you search google images for sadomasochism then you get sadomasochistic pictures in response.

Dan

@RobM You shock me

Iain

never

RobM

my reply While we're confident that internet use is 'safe' in most circumstances here, even with the normal filtering in place you have to accept an element of risk of seeing explicit material when searching for explicit terms!

Dan

Have I ever told the story of the teacher who wanted to search for Prince Albert

RobM

lol

tombull89

1:34 PM

@RobM well...duh...

RobM

I can guess how this story bell-ends...

tombull89

what was he expecting?

Dan

Not an urban legend either - projector and whiteboard job

RobM

oh
dear
lord

tombull89

@Dan I guess that's not something I want to google for?

Iain

1:35 PM

@Dan I have a mate who'se a birder - he searched for jizz at work once ...

RobM

@tombull89 they were searching for "friendly" images of S&M to illustrate some classroom material or other

Dan

@tombull89 Not at work, no!

tombull89

@RobM "friendly" and "S&M" do not belong in the same sentence.

Dan

@RobM Yeah, I'm trying to work out how that stacks up

@Iain :D Haha, superb

RobM

@tombull89 I wouldn't argue with that any more than I'd google "Prince Albert" at work. Or frankly, at home.

HopelessN00b

1:36 PM

Oh look, an SOer made his first post here. Heh. It's... well, it's not going well so far

Some1.Kill.The.DJ, Navi Mumbai, India

91 2

ip-address mac-address tcpip

5 downvotes in his first 15 minutes. Score.

Dan

@downvoters so you dont know the answer..that is the best thing you can do... — Some1.Kill.The.DJ 8 mins ago

And someone actually wanted @downvoters to be a thing :D

tombull89

@HopelessN00b The Text Speak! It buuuuurnnnssss!

RobM

in fairness, I think the best thing to do is close the question and leave it as is. He obviously doesn't want to take the hint from the current downvotes to improve the question

Dan

His username hurts my brain when reading comments

HopelessN00b

@RobM I don't think it's possible to "improve" the question such that it's not deserving of a bunch of downvotes, honestly. Really, how could you edit that question to be... not painfully obvious... without making it a whole different question?

RobM

1:42 PM

agreed. That's why I said close it. With a hammer

Clearly he wants to argue and if you argue with a fool they drag you down to their level then beat you with experience. That's all I'm saying

Dan

@RobM That's a phrase I'm going to remember

RobM

:) oldie but a goodie

HopelessN00b

@RobM The classics are classics for a reason, right?

RobM

aye

I agree with downvote pile-ons while they're useful to show someone that lots of people disagree with them but once its not working...

MDMarra

@ChrisS answered that question once before and got like a billion upvotes for it

How did no one just close it as a dupe of that

HopelessN00b

1:46 PM

@RobM I downvoted that before it was cool. Downvote #2. I agree that the current downvotes probably aren't that useful, but there is some utility in being able to point at something and say - "See, this is a bad question. Don't be that guy and collect downvotes."

MDMarra

It was basically "You can't subnet MACs...duh"

HopelessN00b

@MDMarra I don't think I've seen that question. If you wanna dig it up, I'll throw one of my VTCs on it as a duplicate.

MDMarra

@RobM I don't consider any voting as piling on. If it's good, you should upvote it. If it's bad, you should downvote it. That's why there are things that happen when questions or answers are extremely downvoted - like they disappear from the Questions list or they grey out

@HopelessN00b The bad question is already locked. Can't vote any more

No one ever complains about an excellent answer being upvoted too much so why are people complaining that a bad question is getting downvoted too much?

Michael Hampton

Actually I have occasionally heard complaints about posts being upvoted too much.

MDMarra

I've heard complaints about incorrect answers being upvoted too much

But I've never heard anyone complain about a good answer getting too many votes

HopelessN00b

1:49 PM

@MDMarra I do that all the time, actually.

MDMarra

Why

RobM

both good points. It's a balancing act

Michael Hampton

@HopelessN00b The only way I can be 100% sure MAC addresses are unique is to generate them all myself. :)

HopelessN00b

Look at my highest voted answers. They're shit and simple/obvious. (As is generally the case.) The really good ones I've got have maybe a handful of upvotes.

Spend a couple minutes explaining something obvious to someone oblivious, massive rep. Spend hours helping someone through a truly tough problem... get +45 rep. *Maybe*, if you're lucky.

MDMarra

But that's a function of the fact that fewer people know the answer to harder questions, making fewer people qualified to vote on those answers.

It's not a problem with voting

294

A: Why couldn't MAC addresses be used instead of IPv4|6 for networking?

The MAC address might be unique, but there's nothing special about the number that would indicate where it is. MAC 00-00-00-00-00-00 might be on the other side of the planet from 00-00-00-00-00-01. IP is an arbitrary numbering scheme imposed in a hierarchical fashion on a group of computers to l...

HopelessN00b

1:52 PM

That's my "why" - the rep is totally not representative of quality or effort or anything that matters.

@MDMarra I'm not saying it's a problem with voting, just that I bitch about stuff being upvoted too much, which you said never happens. :)

Dan

@HopelessN00b Rep really isn't representative of a huge amount, to be fair

MDMarra

I'm not sure I follow your argument. I'm saying that no one complains about a good answer getting too many upvotes. You're saying that your hard answers don't get enough upvotes. We're saying the same thing

In fact, you want even more upvotes

Michael Hampton

@HopelessN00b Yep, maybe half my high-voted answers are throwaways.

MDMarra

You want people to pile on the upvotes :)

HopelessN00b

@Dan Yeah, but it's supposed to be, or something.

@MDMarra Nah, I think I just want a perfect world where the hard answers are the ones with +300, and the simple answers to obvious questions get +2 and an accept.

Why is that so freaking hard to accomplish? People have been at this society thing forever, and still haven't managed to perfect it, somehow... lazy people.

:)

MDMarra

1:58 PM

@HopelessN00b But my very point is that people seem to freak out when an answer is -300 but no one cares about when one is +300 and it's the exact same thing that gets them there

it's either truly amazing or truly awful

HopelessN00b

@MDMarra Oh, yeah, I'm completely with you on that "issue"... the "downvote pile-on" debacle or whatever it's being called. Bad questions/answers get the down arrow, good ones get the up arrow. Should be as simple as that, IMHO.

Though it kinda funny (to me) that essentially the same question either gets +130, or -7 (and locked to prevent more downvotes).

MDMarra

The dupe is also closed though

Iain

@MDMarra The difference is that an answer at -anything is most likely entirely useless to anyone except those who take pleasure in seeing people pilloried :(

tombull89

@Iain what was going on with the edit history on it? Locked, unlocked, deleted, undeleted, closed, locked...

RobM

Well the "why can't mac addresses..." question is basic, but arguably good quality question

Michael Hampton

2:05 PM

129

Q: Why couldn't MAC addresses be used instead of IPv4|6 for networking?

I am reading up on TCP/IP and other related protocols and technologies. MAC addresses are described as being (reasonably :) unique, and as having a large possibility space (several hundred trillions), while also being assigned to all network interfaces. What are the historical and technical reaso...

networking mac-address ipv4

tombull89

<toy story aliens>ooooooooo</toy story aliens> police just turned up. some student(s) in trouble.

HopelessN00b

@Iain Well, there is a gold badge that's much harder to attain these days, given that attitude... :/

(Reversal)

@RobM Isn't it fundamentally the same? Looks like it to me - why don't we use MAC addresses for networking == why do we need logical addressing.

Michael Hampton

Sure, the question boils down to the same thing, but how it's asked makes a difference.

RobM

Yes, so I'd agree with it being a duplicate. But the accepted question is a much better quality question. It's asked in a much better way, as Michael says.

There's nothing wrong with beginner questions. These can still be well asked and professional.

William Hilsum

Not sure this is a good question for the site, just want a quick opinion - I have a sonicwall firewall, and, it doesn't support /31 subnet properly, they are saying it is as intended as I am using a broadcast address... but, RFC 3021 says there are no broadcasts in a /31 subnet... just wondering if you guys think I am being stupid (which based on them, I am starting to feel), or if this is a bug of theirs which I think...

RobM

2:10 PM

There's a lot wrong with unclear rambling and "Why u no answer my question"

Michael Hampton

@WilliamHilsum It could be a good question, if you include why you're using a /31 subnet in the first place, the specific model of firewall, and any other environmental factors that might be relevant.

23

Q: How can I ask better questions on Server Fault?

This is a Canonical Question / FAQ Candidate to help our new users ask better questions, and hopefully get better answers. Similar questions: How do I get better answers? How can I get people to fully read my question? Welcome to Server Fault! You may have found your way to thi...

discussion faq

(note that I don't assume you need help writing a good question; you've certainly been around long enough to figure out how to do that. :)

HopelessN00b

@WilliamHilsum Oh, but you run the risk of me commenting about the general crappiness of Sonicwalls. I'd recommend getting something resembling a real firewall, instead of a turd impersonating a firewall. :D

William Hilsum

@HopelessN00b What would you recommend? ... We have Juniper in our DC and I like them (sort of)... I have no idea why we have a SonicWall, but, I have to live with it

I just hate that almost every other click seems to say I need a license for the feature - apart from that, it appears to be ok...

and this damn bug (IMHO!) - via DHCP, it picks the /31 just fine - it just doesn't allow me to statically assign it

Dan

@WilliamHilsum What's wrong with /30 - makes much more sense and will probably work with everything

MDMarra

@WilliamHilsum I think that would be fine for the SonicWall if you end it with "Is there a workaround for this, so that I can use a /31 or does SonicWall not conform to RFC____ in their implementation?"

HopelessN00b

2:19 PM

@WilliamHilsum I'm a big fan of the Palo Alto next gen firewalls, but of course, there's always the Cisco ASAs. Frankly, I'd go as far to recommend "anything but Sonicwall" - I just hate them. I've had to support two, and both were about as pleasant as passing kidney stones.

William Hilsum

@Dan it doesn't actually allow /29, /30 or /31 on a Class B IP, using the IP I want (as it says it is a broadcast)... which it is on /29 or /30 (I think), but not /31 as that doesn't have broadcasts... as for why not use /30 - I can't as it is a point to point network, and, it would block out traffic to the ips in the subnet below/wouldn't be routable...

RobM

and passing kidney stones is really unpleasant.

We used to have a sonicwall and I disliked it greatly. Never happier than when we moved to fortinet

William Hilsum

hehe... thanks guys! ok - Sonic Walls suck, I will ask a question shortly!

Dan

@WilliamHilsum Yeah, I can see your problem. And it should work with /31, I just find it easier to keep things simple and avoid problems like these

Like how someone asked a question about using the subnet address as an IP. Why even bother, because the day it causes you problems will be a really annoying one

It's not like private address ranges are scarce

William Hilsum

@Dan FYI, this is a public/routable IP if it changes anything!

Michael Hampton

2:24 PM

Don't mention the "Class B" thing. We haven't used classes in decades.

Dan

@WilliamHilsum Sort of, yeah. I'm not getting at you by the way - you have what you have, and I think you're right in that it should work

William Hilsum

@Dan no worries! I understand

longneck

@Dan "BTW, there is a way to get "no policy" but it would affect everyone. If you want to know more hit me up in chat."

hit

Dan

@longneck What's that, sorry?

longneck

@Dan sorry, did that wrong

not you!

Dan

2:35 PM

@longneck No probs

Chris S

@Dan Why do people think they can goad the public into doing their bidding?? If that actually worked I'd be running around say "I know something you don't know, and it'll only cost you $5 to find out!"

Dan

@ChrisS I just can not stand the "you owe me this" attitude

Chris S

Also; was searching eBay for 1/4" Black Vinyl Tube, eBay suggested dropping the "Tube" (I thought: Well maybe some sellers would call it "Pipe", "Hose", etc; so why not). Got some results that would make @RobM's teacher furious.

RobM

heh

Journeyman Geek

lol. things involving bsd and the first letter of macintosh?

HopelessN00b

2:47 PM

@JourneymanGeek bsd macintosh. Gah, that sounds like an unholy evil, if you ask me.

Journeyman Geek

@HopelessN00b: it gets slightly less evil if you rearrange the letters. Or more. It depends

HopelessN00b

bs-macintosh-d? Ah yes, the old blue screen macintosh death.

voretaq7

@ChrisS You should really know better.

MDMarra

@HopelessN00b Well I mean, OS X and BSD are pretty close

They're cousins really.

So add incest to the mix

RobM

yep

Dan

2:55 PM

@MDMarra Fun for all the family

HopelessN00b

@MDMarra If you can't keep it in your pants, at least keep it in the family?

MDMarra

OS X is what happens when you make *nix for the desktop. So, if you don't like it, stop pushing for Linux on the desktop.

Imagine something with a more fucked up base than OS X had, but then with all of the extra shit on top?

:)

RobM

HopelessN00b

@MDMarra Not sure I agree with that. I've gotten a few pretty decent *nix desktop builds. OSX is really a *nix/GNU base, that's been effed up and effed with by Steve Jobs for 20 years until he was finally able to get anyone to accept it.

tombull89

There was a story of a teacher a couple of months back who was invigilating an exam. He was up on a stage facing the students. The exam starts and a couple of minutes later he starts watching some very nsfw material on the computer that's on the stage.

RobM

2:58 PM

testify @MDMarra - the only thing Apple are guilty of with OSX is making nix actually *work as a desktop OS for normal, non-geek users.

tombull89

Later on he realises all the students are looking at him, and the invigilators at the back of the hall have shuffled around/dissapeared. He turns around and sees what he was watching projected on the wall behing him where the computer was showing a countdown clock.

RobM

whoopsy

Dan

@tombull89 Ahahaha, oh dear

voretaq7

@HopelessN00b @MDMarra I disagree strongly with that. OS X is a usable desktop system I can give to my parents. There is no Linux distribution that cn claim that.

OS X sucks, but it sucks in a functional way

MDMarra

@HopelessN00b Yep, and it took peripheral things like the iPad and the actual hardware design for it to get mainstream usage. Imagine now mangled a real desktop Linux would have to get to be where OS X is now?

RobM

3:00 PM

all hardware and software suck

voretaq7

@RobM yes, but you want suck that is tangential to your use case

MDMarra

I love OS X. I much prefer it to Windows on the desktop, but from a POSIX/SuS standpoint, it's barely compliant and shit not in those specifications does not behave in a way you'd expect it to.

Which is partially why OS X server never caught on. If it was a real Unix replacement to Solaris and the bunch, wouldn't it have been everywhere considering the cost of Sun hardware and Solaris licensing?

The moral of the story is that you can either have a usable desktop OS or a solid, working server OS. Be careful what you wish for :)

RobM

indeedy

and no end user I know has ever worried about POSIX compliance.

HopelessN00b

@voretaq7 Enh, that's at least half the problem, though. (IMO) People using things they plain don't understand, or misunderstand at a fundamental level. OF course it's gonna be a clusterfuck. A large reason why I dislike OSX, and for that matter, people in general.

RobM

Even when that's been the answer to their "why won't my stuff work" question.

Michael Hampton

3:04 PM

Computers need electricity? Who knew?

voretaq7

@HopelessN00b You don't need to be a 3+ year Unix admin in order to run OS X

I'd say 3 years is the minimum experience necessary to deal with "desktop Linux" these days.

HopelessN00b

@MichaelHampton Not all my users, swear to God. Have I mentioned the middle of the night call inquiring about whether or not the plant power outage was why the magikal komputer boxes weren't turning on?

voretaq7

mass market consumers should not have to be intimately familiar with their operating system, just like your average driver has zero concept of how their car's engine works.

HopelessN00b

@voretaq7 Yeah, and the average driver drives like shit and is a danger to himself and others... so yeah, it is a good analogy with computer users. :p

Dan

@voretaq7 To be honest, I'd argue that people should have a basic understanding

But it doesn't really change your main point

Journeyman Geek

3:07 PM

lol

or at the very least

know not to install crap

or panic

voretaq7

@Dan Basic understanding is "I put gas in this hole, oil in that hole, and turn the key"

Dan

@HopelessN00b I still remember my first ever "Asked user to turn computer on" helpdesk call

@voretaq7 No, that's following instructions

voretaq7

(in computer terms, I install my updates when the little light blinks, and make sure my wireless mouse has batteries)

Dan

A basic understanding is having a bit of mechanical sympathy and understanding at a high level how the gearbox, brakes, clutch and engine works

Journeyman Geek

lol

and if it starts belching smoke, get out of the car

voretaq7

3:09 PM

@Dan no, following instructions is paying attention to the sticker on your gas cap that says "93 OCTANE MINIMUM - I'M TURBOCHARGED YOU FOOL!"

Dan

Mind you, given that I spent the other weekend draining my girlfriends coolant after she filled it to the brim with washer fluid, I haven't really got a leg to stand on

voretaq7

(I've long since given up on people actually following instructions, as witness all the people putting shit gas in their turbocharged engines and wondering why the car keeps flashing the engine fault light)

@Dan In your girlfriend's defense, both are orange these days.

tombull89

@Dan Dad got that call yesterday. He got sent to a place because no-one at the customers checked that the machine was powered on. Plugged in, check. Powered on at the wall, check. Machine power switch clicked? Nope.

Dan

@voretaq7 Meh, I still have to argue with car nuts that high octance doesn't equal more power

Chris S

@voretaq7 I should; but at 1am the brain doesn't function so well.

voretaq7

3:10 PM

(and at least in my car the coolant fill is right behind the washer fill)

Dan

@tombull89 Haha, it's the most grim thing

voretaq7

@Dan It does if you're using a high-compression turbocharged engine that's going to sense the detonation and put itself into shit-performance-mode to protect the engine from the rat piss you just poured into the tank :-)

Dan

@voretaq7 Yeah, it was kind of next to it. I could see how she'd done it

@voretaq7 Yeah, but that's only if it's retarding the timing

voretaq7

Yes, your A8 will run on 87 octane. It'll run on 80 octane if you ask it to. It'll just run like shit.

Dan

If your timing isn't changing and you're not getting pre-det then high octane is making zero difference

Chris S

3:12 PM

The brain hasn't been functioning so well on the whole lately; I've been working on something or other roughly 14 hours a day for the last several weeks. Took the wife to a resort overnight this past weekend; while I did have fun, it was a good chunk of marital upkeep too.

voretaq7

@Dan that's what all newer cars do. Old cars just fracture a wrist pin (if you're lucky)

Dan

@voretaq7 Indeed, my point is people putting high octane stuff into lower compression engines

HaydnWVN

Anyone good with postfix? Have something odd happening but not sure how to create a question about it... lol

voretaq7

@Dan but it makes them feel better, and people putting premium fuel in their Honda Civic are why people like me content to run their engine on the 87 octane crap it's built for are the reason the 87 octane crap is 50 cents per gallon cheaper instead of only 20 :-)

tombull89

If people followed instructions properly you wouldn't need special fuel pumps that meant you couldn't put diesel in a petrol car, and visa versa.

Chris S

3:14 PM

@Dan Right; octane adds no power, it only allows engines which were already equipped to do so to generate more power.

Michael Hampton

@HopelessN00b Yeah, I remember that one.

Dan

@voretaq7 Good point!

voretaq7

@HaydnWVN we have instructions on writing good questions :-)

Dan

@tombull89 Haha, true. Petrol in a diesel is so incredibly bad it's not funny

voretaq7

@Dan I always thought it was incredibly funny

HopelessN00b

3:15 PM

@voretaq7 Didn't you just say you gave up on people following instructions?

HaydnWVN

@voretaq7 I feel if i write "some passwords work, some don't, everything is the same for every user with no pattern to which clients can connect and which can't" it'll get closed as too localised :P

voretaq7

@HopelessN00b yes, but that doesn't stop us from putting them on everything.

@HopelessN00b Witness:

2

Dan

@voretaq7 To be fair, as someone who swaps between cars a fair bit I do have some sympathy

voretaq7

Footnote #2

tombull89

@voretaq7 what?!

voretaq7

3:16 PM

@HaydnWVN no, it'll get closed as "Figure out what's different"

:-)

Dan

@ChrisS Exactly, but people are convinced octane is a magical power ingredient

voretaq7

@tombull89 hang on let me see if I can find the full ad

HaydnWVN

@voretaq7 Exactly :P

HopelessN00b

@voretaq7 "Do not eat iPod shuffle." Love it. Like the 6 inch fishing hook I saw with a warning label "Not for internal use." Antrhopolgists in a thousand years are gonna think we're so freaking stupid. Stupider than we actually are, even.

voretaq7

@tombull89 meh, can't find it. Way up at the top they tell you "the iPod Shuffle is the same size as a pack of gum (2)"

@Dan they put separate nozzles on the Jet-A trucks at the airport (by federal law) because of this kind of shit BTW

Dan

3:19 PM

@voretaq7 What's Jet-A, sorry?

voretaq7

@HaydnWVN so - what's different? What do the logs say? Are the passwords hashed differently? etc...

@Dan Fancy name for "Kerosene with a magic label that lets you burn it in aircraft without the wings falling off"

Dan

@voretaq7 Oh, AvGas

HopelessN00b

@voretaq7 Stupid security jargon always makes me crave breakfast. A heaping pile of heavily salted hasbrowns... dammit, I guess I'm going to IHOP for lunch. :/

voretaq7

@Dan no, avgas is gasoline :)

Dan

@voretaq7 You're right, though I think it's pretty synonymous over here (In an informal sense, at least)

HaydnWVN

3:22 PM

@voretaq7 hashed the same, have reset broken and working ones with passwd run from root to no avail... Not sure which logs i should be checking though?

voretaq7

avgas is blue and makes the pistons go up and down
jet-a is kinda brownish-yellow and makes the pistons go sideways (usually in pieces)

Dan

Yeah, looking at it I take it back

voretaq7

and I'd imagine putting avgas into a jet would have similarly unpleasant results, but I don't think that happens too often

Dan

Never heard it referred to Jet-A, just kerosene or jet fuel

Not that I've had to spend much time around jets

HopelessN00b

@voretaq7 I dunno, it might not be as bad as you'd think. Of course, stalling the engine because of "too low" octane fuel is a bigger deal at 10,000 feet than it is on the interstate...

So how bad it would be is probably largely dependent on your point of view and/or altitude.

Dan

3:26 PM

@HopelessN00b You're not wrong, somehow everything feels worse at 30,000 feet :D

HaydnWVN

like a missfire lol

Chris S

@Dan I believe it goes by a different name in Europe, but Jet-A is basically all you can find around here (for Jet fuel)

voretaq7

@HopelessN00b detonation (and the resulting engine damage) is usually the more serious concern - usually happens when you run the engine up to full throttle at such inconvenient times as "when taking off"

@ChrisS Yeah I think they use the mil-spec number for it over in Europe

Chris S

@voretaq7 "F-35" maybe?? I've never been to Europe.

voretaq7

(JP-8 I think)

@ChrisS I think F-35 (or 34) is equivalent as well

Chris S

3:29 PM

I certainly wouldn't mind having to know some day. =]

HopelessN00b

@voretaq7 Again, depends on your perspective, you're thinking of your small plane, I was thinking more of military aircraft. Stalling out in a dogfight, or over hostile territory is usually a bigger deal than some engine damage. :)

Dan

@ChrisS Doing my PPL is a big ambition in my life

Spent a reasonable amount of time doing air experience flights in cadets and also did a powered gliding scholarship

tombull89

Anyone have any preferneces between VNC clients? There's about 12 different ones...

Dan

I love aviation

Chris S

I've got it on my list of things I'll do when I have "extra" money.

tombull89

3:31 PM

@Dan It's certainly something I'd like to do - asked for a Helicoptor flight expereince for christmas to start with.

Dan

@tombull89 I love flying in helicopters, but they don't have the same appeal to me

Great fun, though

HaydnWVN

@tombull89 Win32 i tend to use TightVNC, but not adverse to using RealVNC

Chris S

I'd love to get a Helicopter license too; but also a Helicopter... Like a Rotorway or a Humingbird

Dan

@ChrisS Extra is one word, it's an expensive hobby. Though I believe it's much cheaper over there - I've heard of peopel flying out to do month long intensive courses

HopelessN00b

@ChrisS If the wings are traveling faster than the fuselage, it's probably a helicopter -- and therefore, unsafe.

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@tombull89 TightVNC seems to not suck horribly to me.

Chris S

3:36 PM

@Dan Lessons at the airport 3 miles from my house are ~$2000 USD. Flight time will cost you double to triple that however.

tombull89

@Dan What's it in the UK? Have to do 100 hours, 40 of which need to be solo. And at £200/hour, well, that's expensive.

Chris S

@HopelessN00b On just crashed 20 miles from here this week. Little bugger, think it was an R22. Pilot died, passenger survived. It's under investigation but they're not ruling out pilot health "conditions".

voretaq7

@HopelessN00b "some engine damage" taking out a cylinder/piston on climb out (or during your dogfight) is worse than simply having the engine stop. Piston engines are really easy to get going again :-)

Dan

@HopelessN00b Sometimes when I'm feeling extra annoying I refer t them as rotary wing and let people look at me all WTF

voretaq7

@HopelessN00b This.

Dan

3:38 PM

@tombull89 Couldn't tell you off the top of my head, but I'm sure last time I looked you were looking at the best part of £10k to go from nothing to having a PPL for fixed wing. So yeah, that doesn't sound too off for rotary

voretaq7

I have no desire to be in an aircraft that can do this to itself:

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ooh here it is at full speed: youtube.com/watch?v=Cf1N70szHLg

HopelessN00b

@voretaq7 Only thing helicopters are good for is jumping out of. And if you're exceptionally fortunate, you get to jump out before the crash.

Dan

@HopelessN00b To be fair, as a tool, helicopters are exceptional at a million things

But yeah, they do have this terribly habit of planting themselves into the ground

voretaq7

I make no bones about it, I am not coordinated enough to fly a helicopter.
two sticks, a throttle, and pedals? I don't have that many limbs.

Chris S

@voretaq7 Try slamming your airplane into the runway sometime and see how many pieces are left... At least the people survived in this case.

voretaq7

3:43 PM

@ChrisS the amount of "slam" required to set up ground resonance and shake a chopper to bits is much less than the amount of "slam" required to make the wheels come off a plane.

Chris S

@voretaq7 You'd have to find a pretty old chopper to have a fully-manual throttle.

Michael Hampton

Hey @HopelessN00b ... I want to share with you this cool Windows command I learned about. It's called ipconfig /all

voretaq7

(though the right thing to do in both cases is put the damn thing back in the air and try again)

Chris S

@voretaq7 It's still 100% pilot error ether way, and ground resonance usually only happens on the more advanced rotor configurations.

voretaq7

@ChrisS the R-22s are still semi-manual (and most have a button to decouple the automatic advance)

HopelessN00b

3:45 PM

@MichaelHampton Al..right? What prompts this announcement of yours?

Michael Hampton

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Q: What is my NIC ID?

I need to get my NIC ID for a temporarily software license to be generated for me. How should I find my NIC ID? I have found contradictory information on the web. Some suggested that I run getmac.exe: C:\Windows\System32>getmac.exe Physical Address Transport Name =================== ====...

windows nic

Chris S

@voretaq7 I don't know if I'd consider them a modern aircraft. It's a 30 year old design that hasn't seen hardly any modern technology/improvements.

voretaq7

mmhmm, modern.
The planes I fly around in are 60+ year old designs :P

HopelessN00b

@MichaelHampton Right, but he posted the output of getmac, not ipconfig /all.

voretaq7

@ChrisS and R-22s have lots of modern technology. Parachutes for one!

Fire extinguishers for another :-)

Michael Hampton

3:46 PM

@HopelessN00b Sure, after saying he had read contradictory information and tried that and got nowhere.

Chris S

@voretaq7 Fixed wing designs are inherently more stable... It is reasonable therefor to ignore "modern" improvements which would not make it significantly safer to fly.

Michael Hampton

And I thought the results of those three MAC addresses were... strange.

tombull89

anyone that makes software that gets tied to mac addresses should be taken out the back and shot. just...why....

HopelessN00b

@MichaelHampton He asked what his "NIC ID" is, and didn't seem particularly clueful. So I went with what he already had, rather than throwing another new command into the mix for him to have to magik into his server. :p

Gave you an upvote anyway, even if your answer's as likely to confuse him as anything else. :p

Michael Hampton

Eh, it's the vendor's fault for letting their marketing people out of their cages.

Chris S

3:49 PM

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That one is more destructive ^

tombull89

@ChrisS wobble...wobble...wobble...wtf.

HopelessN00b

@MichaelHampton That too. I'm just waiting for him to come back and ask you which Tunnel adapter Teredo Tunneling PSeudo-Interface is his NIC, and whether the "ID" is suppose to be almost all 0's.

voretaq7

@ChrisS only cuz its bigger :P

I like how the turbines apparently bang into their housings because of the oscillation

::holds up Olympic score card:: 8/10

tombull89

I can't help but see the face on the back...

voretaq7

it lost points for no fireball

oh, there's always this: