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12:04 AM
@pauska I created the room. Or one incarnation of it anyway.
 
12:16 AM
Hey! That's cool. You can ignore mods once you hit 3k. =D
 
@Adrian Let the insolence begin!
 
@HopelessN00b Well, the insolence REALLY began at the office about the tail end of last week. I even got a little insubordinate today.
Told the boss I had moral objections to using the account logging system as a means for managers to beat up on staff that they don't like.
 
@Adrian Awesome. My favorite was saying I had ethical objections to creating new Domino mail accounts at the end of $job-2... or -3. :)
 
Fun. Some asshat just spiked the LTSP server load average clear up to 117.
 
12:33 AM
@WesleyDavid Its ok, I'll just feel less bad about migrating crap to SO ;p
 
@HopelessN00b Yeah, when they're asking me to dig up 6 months of wtmp logs for their staff, they're just looking for things to beat their middle managers up about at review time.
 
@Adrian Yeah, bullshit. Glad you're in a position to say "no" to that kinda of garbage now.
 
Some great people working here who are really dedicated to doing everything they can for some really sick people. And some of the worst leadership I've ever seen.
 
Seems to be the usual way of things. Some people do the work, and some highly paid people in power just eff everything up.
 
Who's in the bay? Heading up there tonight
 
12:46 AM
@JoelESalas I am.
 
Heh. The HR staff left me a cookie. Had a note on it: Here's your last peanut butter cookie, You Turdball!
 
@ewwhite makes me ill every time you post a picture of that closet.
 
This is a different site.
 
@ewwhite Thanks. You didn't have to tell me that there's more of them.
 
12:48 AM
Does anything in there actually work?
 
yes. it all works.
but I'm concerned about about the sink/shower.
 
So that wire that's hanging out unattached isn't affecting anything?
 
Heh, on a related note, at what point do you tell someone to GTFO when they repeatedly ask for logs on someone?

I've gotten requests for logs on the same guy about once a month for five months that turn up nothing, and I'm debating whether or not to tell HR to explain themselves or FOAD on their latest request...
 
@Adrian HR really loved you, didn't they?
 
@MichaelHampton I get shit done. And everyone else says they have to ask me if they don't know how to do it.
 
12:52 AM
@ewwhite Ah yes, just what every switch closet needs. A water faucet! How else would you clean the switches, right?
 
@ewwhite I'm flying into Oakland, what part of town are you in?
 
Union City right now, then back to SF.
 
@Adrian Yeah, too much competence is frowned on in organizations like yours.
 
@MichaelHampton Good thing it's a self-correcting "problem" over the long-run.
 
@MichaelHampton Yes. Makes us more likely to look for jobs elsewhere. They want us to stay depressed and with low self-esteem so that they don't have to re-hire.
Rarely is under-performance a reason to get fired here.
 
12:54 AM
@Adrian Well, you can always return the favor...with Ex-Lax cookies.
 
@MichaelHampton heh. In fact, getting a Master's degree is the kiss of death here. The lower level directors find reasons to fire anyone with credentials too close to theirs.
I fly under the radar generally because I'm 1) quite good, 2) been here for a long time, and 3) know where all the skeletons are.
I actually pointed out to someone once that I can, in fact, read all the emails they've ever sent. They stopped trying to backstab me about that point.
I may have mentioned the fact that our monthly backups didn't (then) have a retention policy and that we can pull data off tape from 2000. =D
 
1:20 AM
If you want to know whether the distributions include the packages, go look at their respective package manifests. Please don't treat us as your research assistants. — Michael Hampton 30 secs ago
 
@MichaelHampton Unpaid RAs. Nothing wrong with being an RA when it includes money, or graduate degrees.
 
Oh, I sense some fun about to hit us.
I hope it's not that guy who wants to use his personal Macbook at work.
 
@MichaelHampton Your porky... err porcu-sense tingling again, or you see something I don't?
 
@HopelessN00b Oh, I just saw @OliverSalzburg join the room.
Which usually means something's about to get migrated from SU.
 
@MichaelHampton He's nice or clueful enough to ask first. No like @SO. :p
 
1:28 AM
@MichaelHampton Nope. I'm usually here when online :)
 
Yeah, true, I was just waiting to see what it was :)
All the candidates I see on the front page of SU right now are crap.
@OliverSalzburg You keep strange hours :)
 
@MichaelHampton I'm on a business trip. Seconds away from falling asleep
 
Haha, ok.
 
Alarm goes off in 5hrs :( Cheers guys. Cya next time ;)
 
@MichaelHampton I really don't want to hear anything about MacBooks. I'm pretty sure I'm gonna have to use one starting Monday.....
Evenin' 'Spiff
 
1:35 AM
@Adrian Nothing wrong with a MacBook. It's a nice little UNIX box.
 
herro
 
@MichaelHampton 1-button mouse.
 
@Adrian So buy a freaking mouse.
 
No cut-buffer
And I'll look like a damn hipster
whine
 
@Adrian No-button mouse, isn't it?
 
1:37 AM
@ShaneMadden I've avoided those things like the plague for years.
 
mice are for pussy sysadmin
 
@Adrian Haha, I've only used one briefly, but didn't mind it - capacitive touch is soo much better than the trackpad on this lenovo. I think extra fingers gets the right-click behavior?
 
@ShaneMadden Actually, I turn the trackpad off and use the knob-stick thing.
 
Never could get used to the trackpad. I always disabled it and carried an external mouse.
 
@Adrian I can't stand using those things. Trackpad is less intolerable. Real mouse much preferred.
 
1:43 AM
@ShaneMadden Yeah, a real mouse is quicker. When I have to use a laptop, I prefer a Lenovo T-series.
 
@Adrian And trust me, there are far worse things than a Mac... like your current job.
 
@MichaelHampton This is true. 3 days to go.
 
@Adrian Oh, you will need this.
 
@Adrian Yeah, my work machine is a T520. The painfully slow hard drive is my only complaint aside from the mousing situation (but easily remedied with an SSD).
 
The weird thing is, the first Friday of December seems to be a very common departure date for this department. I think that about 1/4th of the staff have left on that Friday in the past 15 years.
@MichaelHampton Ah. Very good. Already forwarded that to my new work email.
 
2:31 AM
That was fun. My keyboard died.
 
@MichaelHampton Hah my bluetooth keyboard at home lost its connection to the host, and I didn't have any cabled keyboards anywhere in the house to get it connected again
I ended up finding my RDP client on the iPad and rdping into the computer to set the bluetooth up again
(mouse dropped off too)
 
Oh, this was a more subtle failure. The Caps Lock, B, left arrow and down arrow keys failed.
 
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Q: iMac consistently losing all bluetooth connectivity

Mark HendersonI have a Late 2011 27" iMac that once a day loses all bluetooth connectivity. (Very rarely it will drop just the keyboard or just the mouse, but 99% of the time, it's everything) This is a huge problem because I only have the iMac bluetooth keyboard and mouse, so this basically renders the entire...

Typically, someone actually has a real problem on a mac and nobody has an answer
 
That's because Apple doesn't have a community of coders fixing their crappy drivers...
Oh wait, did I say crappy? I mean buggy...
 
hah
I'm incredibly underwhelmed at the majority of the Apple users community
 
2:37 AM
Sure the Darwin kernel is open sourced, but you can't actually compile your own anymore and expect your Mac to like it. They killed that around 10.3 or 10.4...
 
At least the Windows community is so large you're going to catch a good fish just by playing the numbers, and with Linux being a hacker is practically a pre-requisite. But Apple are more than happy to tell you 54 different ways of buying a song on iTunes, but when a real problem occurs they're fucked
 
@MarkHenderson Oddly, I have nearly that exact issue with my Lenovo X200 at work. Luckily there's a physical "airplane mode" switch on it which allows me to reconnect.
 
Yeah, Apple's solution to that sort of thing seems to be "Take it to an Apple store and we'll just replace it."
 
@jscott Well thats the thing - I have other bluetooth keyboards that have a physical "connect" button
 
@MarkHenderson Oh the pairing button on the keyboard and mouse won't reconnect! There's an all wireless off/on toggle on the X200 itself.
 
2:39 AM
@jscott Saves you doing a hard reboot at least. I could live with that if that's all you had to do
 
I knew there was a reason I preferred wired keyboards.
 
I've never had any bluetooth dropouts on any other device though
And I've had bluetooth keyboards since before they were cool
My favourite is a 5+ year old MX5000
 
I had a BlueTooth Palm keyboard for my Palm Pilot way back when.
 
We have some non-bluetooth (RF) wireless keyboards/mice, but I can't get used to the key layout and the mice are much smaller than the BT one I use.
 
@jscott RF keyboards are a great cheap way of getting into wireless if you need them. A decent set is about $25
@MichaelHampton Palms! Where you had to learn that crazy notation script to type shit in
Which everyone else now calls "gestures" and are generally accepted
 
2:42 AM
And you could only "touch" the screen with a stylus.
 
@MarkHenderson It was Graffiti.... doesn't that sound cooler than gesture? :)
 
Sounds like something you should be arrested for.
 
@MichaelHampton Reason #46 I avoid Macs like I avoid STD-carrying, gay rapists.
 
@HopelessN00b But what if you like getting an STI from a homosexual man forcing his penis into your tightly clenched asshole?
 
@MarkHenderson Uh... then that would explain why you use Macs? :p
 
2:56 AM
@HopelessN00b Ok you have a choice: A big black man with a 12" cock is threatening to put his HIV infected penis up your asshole unless you make a choice. The choice is between Windows 8 and OS X. What do you choose?
 
@MarkHenderson Option #3: The cyanide pill in my back right molar.
 
@HopelessN00b Got stuck to the guys cock when he raped your laughing hole
It's gone
 
Not gonna happen. And in that case, I slit my throat with the shattered LCD screen from one of the fates worse than death presented me.

If you can't commit suicide in a given situation, it's probably because you're not trying hard enough.
 
@HopelessN00b You do realise that if you just make a choice, he lets you go? (but you're stuck with your choice for all your personal pc's)
 
@MarkHenderson Yes. I consider anal rape, OSX and Windows8 all fates worse than death.
 
3:05 AM
That was fun. About 10 minutes ago we got a half-inch of rain in 5 minutes.
Might've been more. The wind was blowing so hard that the rain gauges were wonky.
 
Kinda what you'd expect living out in Seattle, though. I hear it's kinda rainy out there.
 
@HopelessN00b You have a strange perspective on life
 
@MarkHenderson If only you knew how much of an understatement that is...
 
@HopelessN00b Can I interest you in some nice GNOME 3?
 
@MarkHenderson Ick. In that case, I'd have to go OSX.
@HopelessN00b Yeah, but it's usually more of a continuous drizzle for 8 months. This crazed Midwestern downpour shit is unusual.
 
3:10 AM
@MichaelHampton Heh. Yeah, that's pretty close to a fate worse than death... not sure if it's all the way up there or not, but I'd certainly have to think about it.
 
@HopelessN00b Well, they've cleaned it up quite a bit since the 3.0 release. It seems almost usable now.
 
@Adrian Oh. Guess I'm not as much of a rain connoisseur as you Seattlites. More of a binary thing for me. Raining or not raining.
 
I haven't played with Gnome 3 yet... It's on my list though.
Installing 2.x is so easy; and 3.x is a complete PITA
 
@HopelessN00b Like snow and eskimeaux, baby. Learn to love it or go completely batshit crazy.
 
@MichaelHampton Ugh. Last I checked it was worse than KDE was when it went through its dev cluster and crashed every few minutes. Anyway, now that KDE works, I have no desire to go back to the GNOME suck-fest.
 
3:14 AM
Didn't someone once try to port KDE to Windows?
 
@HopelessN00b Yeah I feel you there. I just had occasion to try it out recently, and noticed it wasn't nearly as bad as I remembered.
@MarkHenderson Yes, and mostly succeeded, as I recall.
 
@MichaelHampton Hmm... wonder if that would work for Windows 8/Server 2012...
 
Yeah, we're on Gnome here because KUbuntu truly sucked at 9.10. We couldn't get it to do anything except call up a single app that did a little red bouncing ball on the screen.
 
@HopelessN00b Naa, you'd still be stuck with the Start screen.
 
@MichaelHampton Ugh. I'll be so happy when someone finally suffocates Ballmer with his own ball sac already...
 
3:18 AM
There's about 5000 Microsoft employees who'd probably volunteer to help.
 
Oh, hey, can this Late Answer get some upvote love? dude actually bothered to post a working script to the question that's otherwise got a less elegant, less effective answer as the vote-leader.
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A: Ban IP address based on X number of unsuccessful login attempts?

KeeganI know this question is old but it was actually the first forum post I stumbled across when I started trying to do this exact same thing a couple weeks ago. I've managed to come up with a working script that will parse the event logs 24 hours back for only bad login event log entries, grab the o...

 
Thats actually a neat little script
For a PS beginner he's doing well
 
@MarkHenderson Yeah, I was impressed too, but I wasn't sure if maybe it was the company I'm keeping these days or not. :)
 
3:38 AM
Oh FFS.
The main file server that I've been baby-sitting not only is a nearly 6 year old with a 7+ year old RAID array and 9 year old SCSI160 card, but the ancient Fedora OS still on it really IS the original one that I installed on it in 2003 according to the docs.
A 10 year old Fedora install running our agency's primary file server.
3. More. Fucking. Days.
 
@Adrian Sounds about right :)
 
@Adrian What's the uptime on that tank?
 
@allquixotic I tried for 2 years to get funding to replace it. No dice. 6 weeks ago they finally came through and told me I had to have all 50k spent by end of year.
 
And also what's the kernel?
 
And I feel bad (terrible, really) when a combination of laziness, extreme busy-ness, and general malaise keeps me from upgrading my Ubuntu 10.04 LTS server, running previous-generation (Nehalem) hardware, with an uptime of about 480 days. Which is chump change compared to that!
Wow... $50k for a server upgrade project. I guess you'll be getting some fairly nice hardware.
 
3:42 AM
So my datacenter gives me a single drop, and it's got multiple subnets on it. Trying to figure out how best to handle that. Actually, it's worse than that, but... I won't go there right now.
 
@WesleyDavid It's only 389 days. We had a site-wide planned outage to re-rack some stuff and upgrade some switches Atumn of last year. Shortly before that though it has been up for 965 days when somebody popped the building mains and the generator overheated at 35 minutes because nobody had checked the cooling pumps.
 
Two subnets, one VLAN. I think I'd rather deal with poop filled Dixie cups.
 
@allquixotic Dunno. I decided weeks before that to get out. I start a new job on Monday.
@WesleyDavid 14 subnets. 11 buildings. 1 VLAN.
 
Only 14 subnets?
 
@Adrian ...well I feel better now.
 
3:44 AM
Yeah, I'm gonna feel great on Friday.
 
@Adrian Say, why do you guys keep spelling LAN wrong? :p
 
My DC gave me a /30 and a /27.
 
VLAN. You know, that Russian-Spanish delicacy. Jiggly, super-sweet, caramelly...
 
Stop laughing.
 
@WesleyDavid On a single VLAN? That's a bit odd...
Normally you'd just assign two VLANs to the NIC and be done with it
Whats your edge device?
 
3:46 AM
@MarkHenderson Yeah, I thought the half cab came with 8 usable IPs and I bought a /27 on top of it, but after the paperwork was done, I saw it was a /30 (So single usable IP - lulz) and a /27.
 
A /30? What a waste.
 
@MarkHenderson Haven't decided. Thinking about rolling my own with a server and firewall distro, or going for a 5505.
 
@allquixotic I think you're thinking of a svetLANa. And they are jiggly and yummy, but still doesn't explain the misspelling of the acronym "LAN."
 
@MichaelHampton I know, right? So silly. =/
 
Is the /27 statically routed to your IP on the /30?
 
3:47 AM
@WesleyDavid My Linux networking is super fuzzy, but you can create a virtual interface on the same VLAN with a different subnet, can't you?
 
Or do they have a first-hop in the /27?
 
@MarkHenderson That's what I was leaning towards, yes.
@ShaneMadden I have no idea how they've done it yet.
 
/27 statically routed to a /30... yep, that's definitely something I've been grappling with recently.
 
@WesleyDavid Well if they're routing it to you, then it's similar to if you were BGP peering with them - a /30 you're routing over, and a /27 routed to your device to do with as you please.
 
I have yet to move in and am trying to design how I want the network. I was going to use the /30 as my VPN, billing system web front end, customer manager, etc. and put all that housekeeping stuff behind the firewall. Then customers on the /27. However the billing system uses the SNMP information directly from client systems, PDUs, and switches, so I'll have to probably have two IPs on the billing system and bridge... it's all messed up.
I'm thinking of ignoring the /30 at this point.
IPv4 wouldn't be half as depleted if people weren't idiots.
@ShaneMadden I have not done much with WAN side networking so BGP means nothing to me. Big Gaping... ?
Border Gateway Patrol!! "I see movement!"
 
3:51 AM
@WesleyDavid Border Gateway Protocol. It's what makes the internet work.
 
@WesleyDavid That there thing the internet runs on
 
@MarkHenderson I know what it stands for, just not what it does.
 
@WesleyDavid It routes things
 
@WesleyDavid They did give you a whole pile of IPv6, though, right?
 
does anyone know how I can do a server-side download of an ISO onto an ESXi box and put it in the datastore so I can install it on VMs? ... do I need to just enable SSH on the management network and use wget or curl (or compile them if they aren't already on the box)?
 
3:51 AM
@MichaelHampton Hah! No. I even asked. They don't do IPv6 and when I asked I got a puzzled look. I was the first one to ask. Probably still the only one.
 
@WesleyDavid .. this is a new DC, right?
 
@MarkHenderson Yeah, just opened.
Small, private, 10,000 square feet.
 
Hmm. I am well-pleased. I've raised my junior network admin padawan well. He's documented all his shit and kept it up to date.
 
Brand new DC and no IPv6...
 
@WesleyDavid Did you ask them if they plan to be out of business in three years? That would be my next question.
 
3:53 AM
@WesleyDavid They're probably not going to give you a default gateway address within the /27. You'll be doing all the routing on the /30, you endpoint address in that /30 will get routed anything bound for the /27.
 
If that. Depends on which NOC they're getting their allocations from
 
@MichaelHampton =D We'll see. It's an ISP that's been in town for the last 15 years. Doing well - but they had some florospace they weren't doing anything with and a few extra Gb of fiber... so... datacenter!
 
RIPE is pretty spent, last I heard
 
@ShaneMadden They gave me a default gateway on the /27
 
@WesleyDavid Then you're right, the /30 is pointless. Strange.
 
3:56 AM
@ShaneMadden 216.224.231.97 is the /30 gateway, and 216.224.230.193 is the /27 gateway, FWIW.
The DC has two carriers in the building, TW Telecom and CenturyLink.
Like I said, not a huge DC with big names. But the floorspace is priced nice, the electricity is cheap, and it's a good start for things that aren't bandwidth intensive.
I hope to get some space in PhoenixNAP when I get bigger and have bigger bandwidth needs / clients.
Glad I'm not the only one that finds the orphaned /30 strange.
I'm really thinking it's more trouble than it's worth to try and utilize it.
sadness
 
@WesleyDavid Why don't you just come out and ask them what use it is?
We once ended up with two /27's and we asked them to be merged into a single space, which they did for us, and gave us a week to switch it all over before taking away our two individual /27s
 
@MarkHenderson Watch for spam!
 
4:12 AM
Someone beat me to it
 
Interesting that the other guy posted the same link to the same site on the same two questions, and then self-deleted them both.
 
He didn't delete them, we nuked his account
 
If they're not just the same person
 
Or is this someone else?
 
4:14 AM
@MichaelHampton Kablammo. Double-barreled shotgun to the face.
 
My guess is he posted a question so the other account could post the spam answer to it.
 
Yeah
Highly likely
 
So when you nuked their account, does that prevent them signing up again?
 
@MichaelHampton Nope
But they generally don't bother. I mean if you nuke the spam within minutes of it being posted, they will move on to less patrolled grounds
Check this out:
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Q: asdlasdoi oas doas d apsd pas dpasp dapsd

abhishek009hello there, Can any one explain me that what is the difference between windows 8 professional and windows 8 professional RTM ? Thanks, Jonh

Question title of the year there
Which deserves a complex answer:
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A: asdlasdoi oas doas d apsd pas dpasp dapsd

Mark HendersonOne of them has "RTM" written on the end.

 
@MarkHenderson I take offense to "less patrolled ground" We over at SU try to keep things very clean
;)
 
4:19 AM
@KronoS Actually that wasn't what i meant
It was just coincidence that I found that SU question
I was thinking more PHPBB sites ;)
 
Ah got it
 
Oh haha shit when I said "Like this" I meant "Like this?" as an isolated sentence
Ok I see how they could run together
 
It has a pending edit to fix the title...
Oh look, I can VTC on SU now
 
@MichaelHampton approved now :P
 
@MichaelHampton My consolations.
 
4:21 AM
but it really should be deleted, as it's not only a dupe, but just plain fodder
 
Ehh, Stack Exchange search is fundamentally broken, so I can't really blame anybody who fails to find their answer from it.
 
@MichaelHampton I know they had some natural language search competition on a while ago to try and improve it. I wonder what happened to it...
 
@MarkHenderson Naaa, the fundamental problem is that it's an OR search by default, and not an AND search.
@MarkHenderson He's back...
 
@MichaelHampton that's why I'm building this: apptivate.ms/apps/28/metrose
 
Cute, but I FUCKING HATE METRO.
 
4:27 AM
@MichaelHampton lol. Ya I hear that a lot. I've grown used to it, and rather like it for now
 
@MichaelHampton Ok I sinbinned him for a year. That will stop him from signing up again
Good thing is he's finding a bunch of shitty old product questions tha ti can close
according to a tracert he's from india
Which is typical of most spammers
 
@KronoS This is what a UI is supposed to look like...
 
lol
 
@KronoS Windows 8 Tiles are fundamentally broken as well. I had my first Windows 8 install on Monday and it just flat out refuses to install any metro apps
It was a pretty bad OOBE
 
@MarkHenderson I haven't had too many issues like that, but there are definitely many annoying this to the Metro interface
it's a big change, and takes a while to get used to
I hated it at first, but now have grown quite fond of it
 
4:39 AM
@MarkHenderson I'm running Win8 now; both home and work laptops.
 
Oh, I've been using it almost since it was put on MSDN. Hell, I'm using it right now. But I invariably end up with something like this...
 
I've got plenty of complaints, but it works the way MS indented.
 
I'm surprised you've only got one of each open.
 
@ChrisS I rebooted two hours ago.
And pinning everything I install to Start just makes for an unsightly mess.
@ChrisS ... and I do most of the terminal-needing work on the Linux side anyway.
 
4:42 AM
@ChrisS My biggest gripe with Metro is different to everyone elses; most stuff I do in the start menu doesn't show up by default, I have to type what i want and then go to "settings"
In the old start menu it showed everything by default
 
@MarkHenderson Hit Win+Q
 
@MarkHenderson I've found myself typing program names all the time
 
@MichaelHampton :o
@ChrisS Program names are fine, I don't mind that, but it's the extra step that I have to go to
 
@MichaelHampton And memorizing all kinds of new shortcuts that I didn't need before. Win+X and Win+Q included
 
@MichaelHampton Damnit didn't help. For example to get to Bluetooth settings, I hit Win, "bluetooth" and then click settings. It's the same with Win+Q unfortunately.
 
4:44 AM
@ChrisS I don't mind new stuff just because it's new. The problem with Metro is that they either didn't do any UX research with it, or they completely ignored the results when told that it sucks.
 
I agree; not that our opinions apparently mean anything at all
 
@MarkHenderson Tried GodMode?
 
People were crying over Metro's unfriendliness since the first beta.
 
@MichaelHampton Godmode?
 
@MarkHenderson Win+W is the same thing for Settings
 
4:46 AM
@MarkHenderson yeah. Interesting little special folder trick.
 
@ChrisS OK, that's more like it!
Dunno why i need to memorise a new shortcut just for that, but that'll work
@MichaelHampton Link?
 
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Q: How do I create the GodMode folder in Windows 7?

MarkHow do I create the GodMode (AKA Windows Master Control Panel shortcut and All Tasks) folder in Windows 7?

 
Yep... That's what I mean. Either accept the extra clicks or memorize all new shortcuts/ways to get to things
 
@MichaelHampton NICE
 
@ChrisS The real problem is memorizing the equivalents for when you're using RDP. I'm not even sure some of them HAVE equivalents.
 
4:48 AM
I think they all work as expected in full screen RDP sessions
 
Right, in full screen they work
 
@MichaelHampton You get to know those six little-used buttons above your cursor
And be damned if you're on a laptop that doesn't have them, or hides them behind Fn keys. Or an iMac.
 
5:08 AM
@MichaelHampton Change your options.... Local Resources -> Apply Windows key combinations -> on the remote computer.
@MarkHenderson I'd like to empathize, but I don't think MS can be blamed for your poor selection of computing tool. I think Jobs deserves the blame for iMac's shortcomings. :o
 
@HopelessN00b Point taken. As much as I enjoy kinda like the Apple world, they're really more toys than real business machines
 
@MarkHenderson Frankly, I think everyone (Mac, PC, linux, hacker, personal, business...) would be a lot better off if more people accepted/acknowledged that fact, and less people tried to cram a Mac-shaped toy into a PC-shaped hole.
 
@HopelessN00b I wish Apple would take businesses seriously. Give me an integrated IOS management solution, for example
Our company has been directly responsible for the purchase of over $100k in iPads (given that they're our preferred device for our software) and every single customer (including one who has spent about $30k on iPads) wants to know "So, can I manage these devices from a central console"
But nooo. No central management. No ability to offer remote assistance. In recent versions, some half-assed tracking support for when they lose it
And most frustratingly, a goddamn locked environment where if you want to deploy internal apps to your IOS devices you have to install the dev certificate (of which you can only ever install one), and then pay a yearly fee to Apple to distribute your own apps to them
So whenever people come to us and say "Why don't you have an App?" we have to explain how we would never get our app through the App Store, and even if we could, we want to control our own distribution and you can't do that
 
Not just an Apple problem, sadly. I would so love to see Android do the same thing, or for that matter, anyone but RIM come up with a smartphone and/or tablet as business-friendly and manageable as, say, this 6 year old BB, FFS.

Like the race to capture the consumer market has destroyed and overlooked the corporate sector, and forced us into shit half-solutions like Good. (Which it's not.)
 
5:21 AM
@HopelessN00b Exactly. And regular consumers are just so fickle.
Which is exactly why they're good for apple and bad for us
 
...and helpless, and hopeless and st00pid too. Might be a good combination for making money off them, but it sure makes concerns like usability suffer.
 
When there's a proposed edit on a Q, you can't make any further edits, right? You can vote to approve, but that's it, from all I can see.
 
@tylerl Correct
The vacuum question?
Home time, cya all
 
@tylerl Or, if you have the rep you can improve the edit, which essentially approves the original, and lets you make an edit immediately following.
 
6:22 AM
Starting new job today, cacking ones self - need boobs to make it through the day.
 
7:12 AM
I got job interview round #2 in 8 hours. Darm pre-exam jitters already started
 
8:02 AM
Ok, I have a "can I post X" question:
I tried to get this catalyst (perl web framework) tutorial running.
They have a nice Debian virtual machine which one has to get running on VirtualBox, I managed to do that.
The machine has all the required scripts and what nots to get started.
However! When running the perl dev server on the virtual machine I can't ping it from my local machine browser.
I tried a number of network settings...
Can I post this as a question on SF?
 
8:51 AM
morning gents
 
Hi Lucas.
 
whats up @Hennes
 
Nerves are up. Since a week.
Job interview round 2 at 16:00 (practical test)
 
what are you applying for?
 
No idea how easy or how hard. SO I had 'pre-exam jitters' for a week.
sysadmin at wiseguys.
Basically sole IT person, with a 100 servers is distant Amsterdam and no remote management cards. Server run slackware, first but onsubstantiated idea is that all where set up ad-hoc without standardisation
 
8:55 AM
so basically you get to clean up someone else's shit and you'll be evaluated on how well you managed to do that
 
Maybe.
 
well you'll do fine
 
If that is the case: How hard can it be o make an inventory, deploy some configuration stuff (puppet etc) and to have a few spare servers?
 
@gideon as long as the machine has a dynamic IP and is on network bridged mode you should be fine.
 
Dan
9:17 AM
Morning
@HopelessN00b To be fair, that's because the consumer market is huge and they also know that in many companies, it's the consumer market which drives business purchases. How many senior management types now have iPhones and iPads?
 
@Dan Yeah, keep reading. Pretty sure senior management falls under the category of "helpless, and hopeless and st00pid too."
 
Dan
@HopelessN00b True enough, but they also have the cash
 
@tombull89 Thanks for your reply. When I do an ifconfig The debian virtual machine i get inet4 address as 127.0.0.1? I tried bridged mode, no luck. My local Mac computer is connected to a WiFi router which is hooked into my ISP's MODEM.
 
127.0.0.1 is localhost. Every IP v4 stack sets that up.
Which NICs do you have on the virtual machine? (other than 'lo')
 
9:34 AM
@Hennes Thats the only one i see :(
 
Then you do not have a (virtual) network card.
Shut down the VM. Go to virtual box and check how the VM is configured. If there is no NIC add one. If there is one write down which type so you can load the right drivers
 
@Hennes Yea I'm looking at in in VirtuaBox ...
 
9:48 AM
Bah! I added an adapter as Bridged. If I do ifconfig -a it gives me eth2 but that entry has no inet4 address.
 
pump it?
Or whatever DHCP client you use.
 
pump?
 
pump is a dhcp client
Not sure what a modern Linux uses. My last serious Linux usage used was slackware 3 (kernel 1.3.x times)
Since I moved to BSD's
wiki.debian.org/DHCP_Client seems to indicate yours might be called dhclient
probably dhclient eth2 && ifconfig -a
 
Ah cool.
(I'm a longtime windows user slightly new to the linux world.)
 
Hmm, I am a windows admin. But I do not even know what the windows command for this is (other than use the GUI)
dhclient basically says 'run a DHCP client' 'on interface eth2'.
command1 && command2 means run command1. If that did not return any errors then run command2
concatenated: try to get a lease, and if it works print it the resulting status of eth2
 
10:03 AM
you want ipconfig /release and ipconfig /renew. the machine "forgets" it's IP address and then requests a new one.
 
YES!!!
sweet christmas! It works!
Thanks a bloody million @Hennes
 
:)
 
I really need to study more about networking.
 
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wow that is SOME post.
 
10:08 AM
@gideon Yeah, that's probably the most epic answer on SF.
That or the answers to the "my server's been hacked" question.
 
I also like the RAID levels post. Easy to understand (or to explain to others) with all the pictures
 
yea the hacked post I;ve looked through
 
Dan
http://serverfault.com/a/455226/95832

Read the manual for goodness sake
 
@Dan I was thinking it was the EWF too - I assume that those machines do have a EWF.
 
Dan
@tombull89 They certainly do
But then he hadn't got as far as logging as an admin, sooo
 
10:20 AM
First time I came across one it was on a Samsung digital signage display it confused the hell out of me why settings weren't saving until I poked through the BIOS and saw EWF settings.
I have a server machine that runs windows 7 Forgive me for thinking, then, that that can't be classed as a server?
 
Dan
Hehe, it takes some getting used to
 
They should still get an IP address via DHCP though, shoudln't they? Unless he's just got the "server" and the clients and that's it.
 
Dan
Yeah, honestly, the whole thing sounds fucked
 
10:43 AM
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Dan
Y;know what, it's too early to be diagnosing network issues
JUST WORK DAMNIT
 
i spent 3 hours sitting in traffic this morning because of cretins who don't know how to drive in a sprinkling of snow. Set off from bedford at 7am, arrive 20 miles away in luton at 10am. Daft.
 
Dan
10:59 AM
@RobM Yikes
Mind you,there was a lot of black ice up here
Didn't take any longer than normal though
 
yeah. Just idiots and a sprinkle of snow here
 

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