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pfo
9:00 PM
@MikeyB can you share/elaborate what you did with uEFI here?
 
9:12 PM
@BenPilbrow Nope, no spiffy front end. That project kinda tanked. A guy I know has been nursing a Ruby project for a while, but ... I dunno.
 
@WesleyDavid Oh, that kinda sucks. I guess my offer from way back when still stands. Unfortunately I managed to blow my laptop to pieces in the mean time (but yay, I got rid of Vista :P), but it shouldn't take that long to knock something up in PHP again.
 
@pfo At the moment it's pretty basic, just elilo delivered over the network. So I can get a nice menu showing the various Linux boot options, but unfortunately elilo can't chain to other EFI applications.
 
@Holocryptic how's it going ?
 
pfo
@MikeyB di you ask the +50 rep question about uEFI boot menus a few weeks ago?
 
@pfo That'd be me.
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Q: UEFI netboot menu

MikeyBI have an existing PXE syslinux environment and I'd like to set up a similar EFI-based netboot environment. I'm a big fan of the various menus as seen in the screenshot below and I'd like to find something equivalent. Ideal features would be: Menus Sub-menus Linux kernel/initrd TFTP load (nat...

 
pfo
9:20 PM
I remember
 
@Iain Not terrible. Pain is gradually decreasing, just not as fast as I want. Turns out I'll have to engage my short term disability. Which is fine, I'm just glad I have it. How are you?
 
pfo
u downvoted me since i told that what you want is currently not possible :P
 
And lemme tell you, it certainly speeds up boot times when you don't need to load the BIOS emulation layer. Although I go through all this trouble and discover something in SLES is broken WRT the boot variables. Grrr...
@pfo Sounds familiar ;) It's funny though, I've been doing a fair bit of reading on it and unless I misunderstand things, you can do PXE menus without needing to load any sort of additional application. I could be wrong though.
 
pfo
i friggin hate SLES
but use it frequently
 
@Holocryptic glad to hear you're improving. I'm good
 
9:24 PM
@Holocryptic I hear you ran out of drugs, you poor sod.
 
pfo
@MikeyB care to share a link? imho you need a text/menu library that does all the funny things like switching the appropriate VGA mode etc.
and someone needs to add that crap to elilo and make nice menus etc.
ie develop an uEFI application
 
@pfo Oh, already done... hold on a minute...
It's not the sexiest OMG BEAUTIFUL thing ever but who needs that for boot menus?
 
pfo
@MikeyB thanks!
 
@MikeyB At least it works, can you make a tutorial ?
 
pfo
@MikeyB can you add that thing to the question?
 
9:28 PM
@pfo Yeah, going to do so.
 
pfo
@MikeyB thanks dude!
 
@MikeyB I got some more :) Though those are running out as well. I have a follow up on Thurs, don't know if I'll be able to get more...
@Iain That's good. Looks like things are busy around here
 
1 hour ago, by jscott
@MikeyB There was some technical jargon brandied about, then some complaints about users, then some LOLGIFs, so no, you didn't miss anything. :)
 
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A: UEFI netboot menu

MikeyBELILO: EFI Linux Boot Loader is very easy to implement and meets some of the criteria: ☑ Menus ☐ Sub-menus ☑ Linux kernel/initrd TFTP load (naturally) ☐ Arbitrary EFI application load ☑ Fallthrough to next boot option (eventually I'll document what's required to get it working end-to-end…)

 
@Iain hahaha
 
9:37 PM
Looks like grub can be implemented in the same way… that may be next.
 
@MikeyB is...is that libdialog??
 
@voretaq7 No, that's elilo
 
ServerFault Moderator Elections -- Useful Statistics <-- Apparently this still works.
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It still says 2011, but it's got the current candidates :)
 
@voretaq7 Nice. And @Iain is the only candidate with a full house of badges.
 
None of those assholes, except for @Iain, are very sportsmanlike are they?
 
9:52 PM
@AdrianK I believe that's a royal straight there.
@ScottPack hey, I have that badge!
 
Ok, fine, so you're the only other asshole who is.
 
(I'm still an asshole, but I'm a sportsmanlike asshole damnit!)
cool, it lets me pin my own things apparently - I was gonna ask someone else to repost it so I could nail it to the wall
 
@voretaq7 you can pin/unpin anything
 
That's what she said
 
I wish you could pass the site as a query parameter
@Holocryptic she talks too much.
 
9:56 PM
@voretaq7 meh. I'm lonely right now and wouldn't mind some gab in my ear
 
@Holocryptic urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gab -- Be careful what you wish for. You may get creeped out.
 
@Holocryptic can't live with em. can't live without em.
 
@AdrianK ears? Sure ya can.
 
@voretaq7 It's funny. You can't star your own comments, but you can pin them.
 
@voretaq7 TIL
 
9:59 PM
@voretaq7 heh. I suppose i could. but if I didn't have a ladyfriend, I'd have to make my own martinis. And that would be a shame.
 
I was almost tempted to throw my hat in the mod ring. But I'd be terrible at it, so I'm not.
 
@AdrianK . . . I only know one lady who can make a decent martini.
 
@AdrianK I like gin but I never got a taste for Martini
 
@Holocryptic Be careful, we have many cats prowling the mod ring. It may get shredded.
 
I saw. So, are we going to get 3 mods, or are we going to get ignored again and only get the 2?
 
10:02 PM
you're obviously making it wrong.
Pour the gin over the ice in the presence of a bottle of sweet vermouth, then serve. You'll enjoy the results.
@Holocryptic Well...
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Q: How many moderators do we need?

Shane MaddenThe moderator election states that there are two positions open. With the recent loss of Chopper3, this means that this is a net gain of 1. There's some discussion with regard to the specific count for this election; maybe some more general discussion is needed on how many moderators are needed...

The "we need 3 mods" answer has more upvotes than the question (seriously that needs to get fixed)...
 
@voretaq7 Right. Hence my question. I've noticed a lot of times we as a "community" bring something up, and it tends to fall on deaf ears.
 
@voretaq7 Gin and glasses from the freezer yeah but not ice in a martini
 
@Holocryptic you mean "we" = SF and the deaf ears are the overlords at SO?
 
something like that
 
@Aaron strictly speaking the overlords are SE
 
10:05 PM
The Lady makes mine 7:1 shaken, with olive. This one definitely has potential.
 
@Iain ice, vermouth, optional stir, VERMOUTH BE GONE!, gin, mandatory stir, pour
@AdrianK also acceptable, minus the olive (blech)
 
@Iain true
 
@voretaq7 I've tried it and even bought some nice glasses but still don't really get it. G&T though is a different matter <3
 
@Iain I dislike that meta.so doubles as meta.so and meta.se
 
@Iain don't tell SO that...
 
10:07 PM
@Aaron yep that's not a great thing
 
@Iain yep...
 
Ben
10:23 PM
good day to everyone
 
@voretaq7 that's just reflects the general state of voting on questions
 
I wonder if its because it was the first site in the network, or because its just too annoying to sort through the shit to make an actual meta.se
 
@Ben hiya
 
@Iain yeah - I've been trying to be better about question votes (particularly in /review)
@TylerShads I'd make an empty meta.SE
 
@voretaq7 you'd also make a good hooker
 
10:27 PM
yeah there would be a lot of duplication, but if the SO dogpile crowd stayed on their side of the fence I bet we'd get different answers
@TylerShads . . . nobody's ever offered me money. sniffle I must not be pretty enough...
 
@voretaq7 you need to go on fivverr
 
@TylerShads . . .I... I'm afraid to even ask.
 
opinions on and ? Right now they're separate
 
@Aaron hmmmmmmm
 
@voretaq7 in /review I tend to prowl the late answers (for spam/NaA) and 1st answers - to encourage newbies - we need more people answering questions
 
10:29 PM
I'm kinda scared to give @voretaq7 mod powers cause he'd use it to troll me =(
 
I guess could be symlinked to
 
@Aaron are they used interchangeably ?
 
(just joking of course <3)
 
My profile promises not to link anyone to goatse or tubgirl.
(I'm keeping other options open)
 
@Iain pretty much. Are there any usage situations where 'cron' and 'crontab' refer to completely different things?
 
10:30 PM
@Iain it looks like there's a lot of overlap
 
crontab is the file and cron is the process, but besides that I don't think they're different
 
@Aaron yep
 
@Aaron crontab is also the command used to edit the file
but I think that reduces to "It's a question having to do with cron"
 
I can't think of a situation where you would really want to use one over the other
 
@Iain I spend a lot of time in first answers/first questions - mostly for the encouragement
 
10:39 PM
that search also finds a lot of questions that can use some love
 
@Aaron That's the copy-editor hunting search :-P
 
@Aaron I find that people who preemptively say "thanks" in their question tend to write poor questions.
 
@voretaq7 - MAYBE!!!!!
 
@84104 Not if they say it like Gollum!
(NSFW audio)
 
@84104: only matched by people who sign off, or people who ask to be e mailed or...
 
10:42 PM
oh actually that's the one that's censored.
 
@JourneymanGeek including, but not limited too... void were prohibited...
 
@JourneymanGeek people ask to be emailed?
 
TL?
 
oh yes
cause yanno checking back every week or so is soooo hard
 
10:44 PM
5,000+
search results for
posts containing
thanks
:(
 
@Aaron too localized
 
@JourneymanGeek . . . kill?
@Iain "WTF How did you get there :points at answer: from here :points at question: ?"
 
usually edit, really
 
@JourneymanGeek kill … Kill . . . KILLLLLLLLLL! stars jumping up and down
 
@Iain: also NARQ
 
10:46 PM
@voretaq7 dropped a TL on it
 
i have to break out the pancakes and lagomorphs to start to try to answer that
 
NARQ'd it
 
What I feel like about now.
 
@Iain "the website was blue" -- Wow, too bad Google can;t search for that...
@WesleyDavid Dude - lay off the 'nip!
 
10:47 PM
@voretaq7 It's just loose green tea. Honest.
 
Alternate answer: "Cats are livestock."
 
"I'm looking for that.. thing! It over there somewhere
You know. THAT THING. The thing i'm looking for
 
@WesleyDavid My cat has done that...several times
 
@JourneymanGeek the THING man, the THING! You know! The one that does stuff!"
 
@BenPilbrow I'll seriously keep you're offer in mind. I need to poke the Ruby guy with s stick.
 
10:48 PM
Precisely!
 
@voretaq7 Oh yeah? Well my thing does miscellany.
 
of course, my dad's an engineer so he does the thing thing all the time
 
@JourneymanGeek I just point and curse
@WesleyDavid That's a fancy $5 word for stuff! Pay up!
 
@JourneymanGeek My Ex does the "thingy" thing too, but she's a print designer.
 
@AdrianK those still exist?
 
10:50 PM
@Aaron there is an archaeologist badge in there too
 
@voretaq7 A few, and she's unemployed now too. She's not yet lamenting the fact that I told her 10 years ago she needs to pick up some web skills too.
 
@Iain I wish the badge pages displayed progress...
 
@voretaq7: i think two of the badges inexplicably are in review
 
@JourneymanGeek copy editor and electorate
 
@voretaq7 I can't find it now but there was a discussion about why progress isn't displayed on mSO,
 
10:55 PM
it makes sense what for the encouraging of voting on questions
because the mods would all resign in protest over people marshall hunting.
Or because the masses would riot and start impaling people on pikes for Archaeologist hunting and dredging up crap :)
though I guess we've always had flag weight displayed...
 
@voretaq7 marshal hunting, you can see your progress clearly
what's not clear is how many more flags are required
 
I'm still not sure what to do with abandoned questions with no answers, no useful information, but the OP posted by edit that he fixed it via rebooting or reinstalling. Just downvote and let the auto-deleter take care of them?
 
@Iain "At least one more"
 
@voretaq7 I just curse.
Who else got an avalanche of supporter tags today?
 
10:58 PM
@Aaron I tag 'em with a delete vote sometimes, downvote if the user has no rep or the question is obviously shit.
 
I can't delete vote yet :(
 
@WesleyDavid just you - do you have a bunch of links on your blog?
I feel bad downvoting questons by users with rep >100 or so
 
@voretaq7 I tweet stuff out a lot, and post stuff on Google+. That badge used to be a one-timer, but I guess they changed that today so I got backlogged love.
 
though I guess I should raise my standards to 1000
 
@voretaq7 Been downvoting my questions again, eh? =D
 
10:59 PM
@voretaq7 you're nicer n me - old, no answers, no votes, and especially requests fro more info that are unanswerd = -1
 
another lame tag, not sure what to do with it:
 
@voretaq7: I don't tend to downvote at all except for stupid, or frankly dangerous questions
 
@AdrianK oh it's different for you - that's sport!
 
I prefer to VTC or flag as appropriate
 
@voretaq7 Good. It's more fun that way. Especially since I have no dignity either.
 
11:00 PM
@voretaq7 @Iain Both of you are nicer than me. I downvote because I feel like it and am generally vicious.
 
@JourneymanGeek the thing is that a question with no information 'it's busted, where do I look' followed up by an edit 3 hours later saying 'well, I rebooted it, and it's working now' - what else can you do with that except for downvote?
 
@JourneymanGeek I only do it so the old question reaper will get them really - it's hard to get a downvote (on a question) from me
 
I only flag for stuff that was never of any use
 
@Aaron I guess not much until there's a vote to impale button.
 
even dangerous questions I'm more likely to answer with "Yes you can, but you will break the internet and we will all come to your house and throw a blanket party"
 
11:01 PM
"Purple avatar? Downvote. Hanging participle? Downvote. Posted at 3:14PM? Downvote. Posted on a day that ends in 'y'? Downvote."
 
@Aaron: vote to close, really
 
and I've had a few flags declined that were then immediately deleted via a mod and lost a bunch of flag weight for that... so I only flag now for migrations typically
 
though that case would fall under stupid
 
@WesleyDavid Community Election Meta Post?
 
@voretaq7 Don't you dare.
 
11:02 PM
can I just say: I honestly don't care about my flag weight
 
What happens in chat, stays in chat - or you're banished to use Microsoft Bob for the rest of the year.
 
If I think something is shitty enough to deserve burnination I'll flag it.
if someone disagrees and I lose some flag weight I'll just punch a kitten until I feel better.
 
one of our noc people:
"CST: update on DS3 ticket HD00000000000 - telco tech dispatched and found
that the customer's router was physically damaged and there were parts of it
on the floor"
 
@WesleyDavid I was working at CompUSA back when that came out. Dear God what a flop that was. We'd been shipping 3 pallets of that stuff and sold maybe 6-7 copies.
 
I guess that was a for-real DOS attack
 
11:03 PM
@voretaq7 I flag stuff that's old and needs to be closed as a lesson to future participants. Seeing an old question that's still open with 46 upvotes about "How do you like to use your sandwich press in the server room?" makes people more likely to ask crap and then defend it when it now gets downvotes.
 
... someone let my dad's PA into a datacenter? ;p
 
As the mods know, I've been on a massive old-post-flagging-fest for the last few weeks.
Especially when that one guy asked a question about "what's best to install on fresh Linux builds", got downvoted and then said "But the Windows version got 46 upvotes!"
The Windows version was 2.5 years old and should have been given forty lashes with razor ribbon.
And bathed in pickle brine.
 
@WesleyDavid Meh, I don't like pickles, how about some habenero sauce?
 
@TylerShads I prefer to just fling ground salt at them.
 
@TylerShads Lighter fluid. I forgot to add what happens after the victim is bathed. It involves getting your Boy Scout's Flint badge.
 
11:07 PM
@voretaq7 Why is it not acid?
 
@TylerShads Acids are expensive. Salt is cheap and plentiful.
 
too fast
 
@TylerShads Because acid alerts the regulatory authorities and is hard to steal in large enough quantities from universities.
 
well citric would be nice
 
@WesleyDavid You can order most acids without needing to register with the DEA.
 
11:08 PM
what kind of university would have pickle brine?
 
@JourneymanGeek Culinary school.
 
I'm sure there's places on the internet to make your own acid
 
If you're worried about the DEA, you're thinking a different kind of acid than I was at first.
However... bathing someone in LSD would be a demented punishment. I like the way you think...
 
> Please try one of these commands depending on whether you are telneting or
> consoling into switch and check if the severity level sets after adding this
> command.
why don't you try it, TAC monkey?
 
Incidentally my favorite acid (hydrofluoric) is available with no special licensing requirements.
@Aaron Monkeys aren't allowed to have the enable password.
 
11:10 PM
He has his own routers
I don't want to try out your hunches on mine
 
@WesleyDavid The DEA regulates a surprising number of chemicals
 
huh what is this..i dun...wha?
 
@voretaq7: isn't that the stuff that eats through glass?
 
@JourneymanGeek Watch saw 6's ending
 
11:12 PM
@JourneymanGeek Ayup - one of its major industrial purposes is glass etching.
 
(I'm as saddened as all of you are that I know that)
 
@TylerShads They use HF in Saw6?
 
@voretaq7 In the end scene
 
@TylerShads why??
I mean in terms of gruesome death it's really... not very gruesome.
 
@voretaq7 "Brent readily shifts the switch to "Die" and William is killed when a platform of needles swings into his back and pumps hydrofluoric acid into his body (truncated to make SFW)...."
 
11:15 PM
shrug
seems like overkill - Just splash the dude with it and he'll die in short order.
 
Its saw, it has to be fancy or else people will lose interest!
oh wait..
 
lulz
 
@LucasKauffman You can play... uh..... chess?
doobiedooo cleaning up the freebsd tag
 
It's 0:23 and I'm drinking pastis >.<
does that make me a drunk :( ?
 
11:23 PM
@LucasKauffman Those things strippers put on their nipples? You can drink those?
 
Although I would love to see strippers put it on their nipples ^^
 
There, and vote limit reached.
I'm quite pleased with myself I am.
 
@voretaq7 wut vote you talking about lewis ?
 
@LucasKauffman Isn't that the dude that draws the Pearls Before Swine comic?
 
11:35 PM
@AdrianK I do not know the answer to that question :p
 
that one.
 
@voretaq7 Ah as in voting on questions ? I did not know there was a max to it :p
 
The question is kinda derp-derp, but the bit in Oli's answer about the champagne room with strippers is chock full of awesome. meta.askubuntu.com/questions/2290/…
2
 
@LucasKauffman Ayup
I dont hit it often enough
 
Need a headcheck. I didn't completely miss the boat on that applicability for that questions, did I? serverfault.com/a/348688/73435
 
11:50 PM
@AdrianK i don't think so
 
@AdrianK Looks okay to me.
 
Ok. Lately it seems that there's a lot of questions where I'm seeing the same words as everybody else but they seems to mean something else to the OP and other commenters.
 
lol, I was invited to a lecture about "cloud computing"
apparently it was a 2 hour talk about MS Sharepoint...
 
You did miss the "with vpn the internet doesn't keep giggling your sshd doorhandle", but that's not really necessary.
 
@LucasKauffman "This is my cloud computing lecture. Look up. If you see clouds this is not a good place for your computing equipment. End of lecture, everybody get the fuck out so I can drink my vodka in peace."
5
 
11:53 PM
I'd go if there was a bar or they were serving lunch.
 
@84104 No, they just try to authenticate against your user/password combo for the VPN instead :P
IDK why people are so scared of people trying SSH logins.
 
@voretaq7 you could come and give me lectures any day ^^
 
@voretaq7 That they would, but it's less common, which makes it less nosy in the logs, but that's about it.
 
@voretaq7 The odds that some twat's gonna eventually find a 0-day on SSL or OpenSSH and get in? =(
 
@AdrianK Less than the odds that they find it for the VPN solution that you're using. ^^;
 
11:55 PM
@AdrianK Odds of winning mathematically insignificant
 
And even so, SSH is still going to be present anyway no ?
 
seriously, go public-key only and let 'em knock. If you're paranoid have a pam module add them to a firewall block list for 10 days like I do
(I'm not that paranoid, it just quiets the logs down)
 
@84104 Perhaps. OpenVPN's been clean since 2004 as far as I know, excepting operator error.
 
@AdrianK Isn't OpenVPN using the same SSL libs as OpenSSH?
 
@84104 Probably. Been up to long to remember.
 
11:58 PM
I have it in iptables for a few types of connections, if they do more than I think 8 connections in a minute they get kicked out for 2 hours. Works great on scanners.
anywhoooo, I'm off to bed, nn fellas
 
@LucasKauffman Have fun with your timezone.
 

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