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00:03
@growse There's a top-end draytek vigor that supports a 3G/HSDPA USB stick as a routing method rather, or as a backup to, regular DSL transit
@Chopper3 We have all our SSL certs at godady.. too bad we JUST bought them, so gotta wait a year
bawlz
did I mention when the checkout girl at waitrose asked how I was earlier I told her I could 'stab some cunt' - I wasn't happy at the time
whats wrong?
hated shopping - had to go for christmas food etc. hateful thing to have to do
You didnt see my question earlier? The housekeeper? :)
finished the last christmas present yesterday.. I absolutely hate shopping aswell, but im happy to be done
00:12
doesn't do christmas shopping I'm afraid :(
well, im off to wash some last minute clothes
happy christmas/new year incase we dont speak
Being seduced by the coolness. Upgrade Discount on a VZW Iphone 4S.
don't mind me ... just upgrading our caching tier
reading between the lines, I'm seeing BLAME @ZYPHER!
then again, I usually just do that anyway q:
@Zypher Is that why SF broke earlier?
00:26
yea uhhh apparently we waited a bit too long and uhhh persisting the cache kinda ate all remaining memory on the server
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thrashing ensues
ick. thrashing.
time to run. bus is on time during xmas week. who'd of thunk!?!?!
haha
@RebeccaChernoff blame has already been assigned in the proper manner
For the record, Linux Mint 12 on an OCZ Sata III SSD fucking rocks
for the record, any OS on a latest gen SSD is great
00:46
Good night!
Oh boy, who spilled beer on the load balancer?
@jscott @Zypher
Ah, how nice, chat acts as a self-documenting incident-tracker/post-mortem. Quite convenient.
haha, yea well the thrashing caused the vip to failover and bad shit happens then so we shut it down to save the data
jrg
jrg
01:08
it's back! :D
... for now
jrg
jrg
dun dun dun....
FWIW, whoever picked the "Meta Means Murder" image for the mSO offline image should be applauded. First time I've seen that one.
@jrg not really
jrg
jrg
@pauska Didn't say it was back for good. Just that it was back.
01:15
I have to back @jrg on this, it was back. I was even able to post a comment.
@jscott cough :
8 mins ago, by Zypher
... for now
jrg
jrg
I was able to load a question, see community poke it, and then it was gone.
01:33
do UK homes really smell so bad that people actually buy those glade dispensers and stick them to the wall?
@pauska Not sure, but I've been in many US homes which used the Glade plug-ins -- It wasn't helping
@pauska Most places where I have seen them used it isn't to mask a smell, it is because some female likes the smell.
its just so much better when a house/apparment smells clean..
but then again, we dont wear shoes inside here
btw - LOLS
user image
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This guy needs a set of infinite monkeys to somehow magically un-encrypt his files for him.
01:50
I'm guessing with 10,790,283,070,806,014,188,970 years, the monkeys may randomly re-create all the OP's data from scratch.
Well if he has a truly infinite set of monkeys the theory says they should produce it as fast as it take for one of them to simply re-type everything. You would have the slight problem of figuring out which monkey produced the good copy though.
Just diff the possibly good output against known-good backups. Simple!
It seems like it would take an much larger infinity to inspect each monkey's output and check that it was his data.
Oh, wait, about those backups....
02:11
Where are a handful of those little descant packs when you need them...
I've got a bunch in my desk. Save the good ones anytime I get them.
You have to bake them for a long time to re-activate them, but we've got some steam pipes in the basement where I can bake them for free.
I always get annoyed, that I usually only get one use out of a container of super glue. Apparently if you store them in a sealed container with a descant they are supposed to last longer.
NO SSL FOR YOU @Zoredache
Plx!, I want SSL.
I'll paypal you the $20 for a cert.
:p
I usually get several uses out of superglue before the cap gets enough glue on it that it doesn't seal and the thing turns rock hard.
02:14
I don't use it often enough, I usually only need it about once or maybe twice a year. What I am reading suggests that a container with a broken seal is good for typically 6 months.
haha, alright i'm done breaking shit for tonight, later gents
Ah, sounds roughly correct.
I don't really mind I suppose.. Only costs $2 for a 4 pack of the 0.25oz Super Glue.
It isn't the cost, it is mostly just the perception of waste. I use maybe a small fraction of what is in the container typically. It annoys me that so much of it is going to be wasted.
02:54
Hello folks
03:30
Is anyone else getting parse errors when they click links in chat?
 
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05:27
@Zoredache: or store it in a fridge
 
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08:24
G'day
08:36
@Ward Thanks!
08:49
Morning all!
09:06
Morning lads
https for stackexchange sites is a little broken.
i'm at a train station public wifi point
so i thought i'd try https
I find myself at London Paddington today.
@TomOConnor Seems like they try to use a cert for *.se.com when you try to connect to serverfault.com
I should go and find the statue of Paddington, really.
@BartDeVos yep.
which works on serverfault
You should post it in meta :)
09:16
but try it on chat.
Gives me a warning on the regular site to start with
"We are offline"?
09:28
Quite.
very odd.
I shall mention it on meta sometime.
pfo
pfo
Has chopper been here in the last week?
anyone seen him?
I've roped a couple more people into the gravatar-hat-club.
He was in yesterday
Yeah, chopper's been here the last couple of days.
pfo
pfo
09:37
my image-manipulation skills suck badly i'm afraid :)
Miles posts a lot on Vote to Close, so I did a hat for him and mentioned it there:
One of the mods on cooking.se did his own food-based hat:
@Ward :)
@pfo How about this:
pfo
pfo
nice1!
@pfo Now you just have to make it your active gravatar.
09:57
@Ward another late one sorting out avatars !
I can't help myself, I seem to require a certain amount of time spent reading every day, and the past few days I've been busy with Christmas stuff so I have to stay up late voting, reading a few sites I like... and in between doing silly stuff like making hatted avatars.
I just noticed that George Edison has a nicely-hatted avatar, too:
haha
10:27
arghhhhhh!!
yet another newbie down voting my answer about legal domain names because he can't read the RFCs...
 
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11:33
where is everyone?
Here.
Present and correct.
Moar disks!
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Q: Recommendation for backup plan needed for small business

CMSACaution: This is verbose :) My Problem: Client requires a possible rebuild of their current backup plan for local and offsite backup. Tape and online backup are not an option. (Client decision). Background/Infrastructure: 1 Server running Windows SBS 2008 (15GB Data including Exchange) and 10...

I don't think there's any problem to which the solution isn't "more disks".
yes there is - "I've run out of power in my data center - what should I do?"
Well, Step 1) is "buy more disks - you're going to need them"
Obv.
12:29
The client has a few odd ideas..
thinks imaging and online backups are fine -alongside- other things
hm
 
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13:59
@Ward I'm all about starting revolutions. I'm planning my next holiday themed takeover already
Hey @Basil
And @ChrisS
Good Morning Professionals, and @Holocryptic
hahaha
Ha! Morning, excellent edit!
I have no idea what you're talking about pops in another Percocet
Wow, I don't think I've seen this few people in here for a long time.
14:06
I'm assuming a lot of people are off, or traveling
Except for you guys
I wish I had today off. At least I'll get out earl, but only because I've put 9 hours in at night over the last few days.
@Holocryptic Off? I mean, I've been a few places where the cell reception stinks, so some email is delayed, but I'm not sure what this "off" means. :)
@ChrisS You do internal IT for a consulting firm, yes?
Yep, accounting, accounting software, business strategy... Pretty much anything businesses do with money, we're into it or know someone who is.
@jscott Ah yes. I remember the whole, "The rest of the school system is closed and everyone is on vacation -- except for the IT guys who have to cram all the upgrades and stuff in while people are gone."
@ChrisS Oh, so you're like professionals with Quickbooks then
14:10
Kids and teachers are here today, but they're off all next week. You can tell everyone is already gone -- the Help Desk has only fielded three calls this AM.
@jscott Off is when I go to Mexico at the end of January and answer work emails with a Dose Equies in hand.
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I don't always drink Dose Esquies, but when I do it's to answer emails on vacation
@ChrisS I admire your dedication.
@Holocryptic We do Quickbooks, yes. I'm actually a ProAdvisor, though it's something of a meaningless title.
I'd do a meme poster for that, but I'm really out of it right now
@ChrisS I'm a "network consultant", which is code for "Other people's helpdesk"
14:12
Spanglish isn't my first or second language... mangled "Dos Equis" pretty good there.
@Holocryptic Shouldn't that be Jr Sys Admin or something?
@ChrisS Or something. Really I don't care about the title, as long as the pay is enough
My work is all about the titles... My predecessor was "Information Technology Manager", when I took over I kept my previous title "Systems Administrator"... I think of Managers as the people can't "do" anymore, so they "manage" the people who "do".
That's usually true in a lot of respects
Ah, full time school ICT staff. Sucky, but useful.
14:42
just got star wars the old republic - anyone else got it yet?
@Chopper3 I've been playing it for 3 days. It's friggin fantastic
I still haven't bought MW3 yet... Probably will tonight or tomorrow.
oh aces - can't wait, silly question, not removed the wrapper yet, but how does the subscription work - is it like wow?
@ChrisS Prefer BF3 tbh
I barely have enough time for wow anymore, couldn't even think of starting a second MMO
@Chopper3 pretty much. I believe you get a month free although that may only be if you get the collectors or deluxe editions. But yeah, you can do monthly or quarterly I believe, with discounts for longer subscription time
14:45
Haven't got that one either... Don't actually have many games at all. Usually keep myself preoccupied with kernel hacking, web development, home improvements, or (the biggest time sink) keeping the wife happy.
amen to that, brother.
@Chopper3 They're still working out some of the bugs and glitches, but it's very good overall
15:04
cool, will be firing it up very shortly
15:15
!@#$%^&*()!@#$%^&*()ing microsoft.... Buried in the specs: You can use any version 2 (v2) template which translates to "If you use v3 you'll get crazy error that seem to have nothing to do with the real problem"
Just like that.
I'm pretty sure most MSFT errors are like that
Some are pretty good about spitting out an error that at least makes a little sense. In this case it's a x509 certificate. The App apparently doesn't use Windows' built-in crypto interface and only support v2 certs. It's spitting out this: "Failed in CryptAcquireCertificatePrivateKey" and "Certificate issued to 'server.example.com' doesn't have private key."
Yep. I'm figuring out how to transfer my domains as well.
15:28
@tombull89 Wow, up to 412, Think it was around 50 last night.
The question has been up for 18 hours, and had the small matter of 23,000 views.
I'd have to find a registrar to transfer to... I don't really like GD, but their interface is intuitive enough that it doesn't bother me.
blargh.
Talk about a pain in the ass.
@Holocryptic spotted this step by step guide to moving to namecheap.com - the first half would be applicable to just leaving obviously - blog.jeffepstein.me/post/14629857835/…
Anybody used NameCheap.com or Name.com? Can comment on their interfaces and prices?
15:38
literally no idea but just looked at they seem ok, bit vanilla maybe, nothing setting off alarms and their help-chat thing worked right away (I had a question about that type of mail they provide, the answer was both pop3 and imap, so I'm happy with that) - so for my own personal stuff I'm considering it simply because I can just do that step by step thing - sometimes I can't be arsed with the faff of computers and home email falls into that category
^ wtf?
Ugh. Road rash on your wank. That can't be good.
love this, dude's been dared to pee in the middle of the lake and his pals tied a rope to him in case he fell in - but the plan was always to drag his cock against the ice - ocuh
15:55
@Chopper3 Which was that? Name.com's website seems very simple, mostly intuitive, and pretty... I'm leaning that direction on appearance alone.
yeah - sometimes all I want is something with few choices and simple - plus ~£21/year is fine, still got 3 years with GD pre-paid but 63 quid to act on principal isn't too bad
I can't help thinking that the next unseen part of that gif above is once the pain died down a bit the guy used a baseball bat to educate all his friends in how much that hurt
morning gents.
@Holocryptic how's the day treating ya?
@AdrianK Sinuses are finally starting to clear, but I'm worn out pretty good. Took today off as well. Really drowsy and stuff.
@ChrisS I'm migrating to namecheap -- their interface is... acceptable.
16:04
Funny thing is, even with all the time off I took, I still haven't done my xmas shopping. Don't know if I'll make it
I've also heard a lot of guys say nice things about gandi.net
not been a stellar few weeks for you there @Holocryptic :-(
i blame programmers. Its always their fault
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@RobMoir Not my best stretch, no. But I'm making the best of it. Could be worse in a lot of ways.
true enough
@Holocryptic Dude. I'm surprised you were working at all, whatwith a musket ball in your kidneys.
16:06
heh. true as well
@voretaq7 Name.com has a better looking Domain Concierge. =] name.com/aboutus
@ChrisS Sold!
@Holocryptic Amazon Prime is your friend
See, you just have to figure out what's really important.
@ScottPack I have that, and I know. Think we're a bit past the deadline at this point though. Oh well, I was trying to save money for moving in any case. I may try to go out tomorrow and pick up a few gift cards or something though.
16:11
@Holocryptic Moving?
@ScottPack Planning on an apartment around March or so.
Or condo
whatever's affordable, really
@ChrisS yes but their community evangelist has a shiny head
@ChrisS Also remember what happened the last time we picked a registrar based on booth babes!
@voretaq7 Who what?
The only thing funnier than watching someone who can't ride a skateboard try to ride a skateboard, is watching someone who can't ride a skateboard try to ride a long board.
@ChrisS well isn't that what GoDaddy is known for? Sex sells - even domain names!
@jscott I always found longboards easier than the popsicle stick boards.
16:15
morning
then again I only ever used them to get from point A to point B without having to hail a cab or take a bus.
@voretaq7 I switched to them on price before I knew about the booth babes. But I see your point.
@hobodave checks Has hat. Welcome!
clever idea
@ChrisS yeah I was using them before they had enough money to hire breasts on a stick for superbowl commercials
16:16
my photo skills are rusty, took me 15 mins to shrink the hat in Pixelmator
I used to be on Network Solutions before GD.. Just got the last domain off NetSol this year, almost as bad as getting Congress to do something common sense.
NetSol may be the one company I hate more than Oracle.
It's a REALLY close race though.
and I guess it's kinda unfair - NetSol has made me personally miserable MANY times. Oracle has only had the opportunity once, and since a client was paying the bill and handling the license crap it wasn't a wholly awful experience, just made me feel dirty for weeks after.
I really don't know much about either name.com or namecheap.com; right now I'm just going on the website appearance and booth babes... @voretaq7 have you used namecheap.com already?
@ChrisS Not extensively - I'm transferring my personal domains to them and that process was relatively painless.
(also they have el-cheapo Comodo SSL certs which I set up to stop being a douche with self-signed certs everywhere and that was easy)
@voretaq7 Oracle was one reason I left $job[-1.5]. I was just doing support, but the whole DBA mainframe-acolyte culture drove me batshit crazy.
16:29
@AdrianK Mainframe people are nice. Good Oracle DBAs tend to be good people, they're just maligned by association with the core of all evil.
@voretaq7 The ones at ATT were miserably lazy, which was exacerbated by their (frankly reasonably, imho) stringent change-control processes.
I'm slowly switching my certs to StartSSL, free beats cheap in low-security applications.
@AdrianK yeah, but well that's AT&T
@ChrisS how's their browser/os recognition these days?
@voretaq7 But like everything else, I'll be pleasantly surprised if I find that misery isn't the norm. It's good to have low expectations.
@AdrianK Personally I always try to expect the worst. You will rarely be disappointed, and sometimes you are pleasantly surprised.
16:39
@voretaq7 FF since 3.x, Opera, Galeon, Epiphany, Safari (including iPhone/iPad), Windows XP+. Some people have reported problems with Android but I think it's related to Android's SAN problem (which IIRC is fixed now).
I was rather pleased to see that IBM was not one of the SOPA supporters. Sadly, Xerox and IBM and Ford were.
Ack. Xerox, 3M, and Ford, rather.
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@ChrisS I haven't had enough coffee this morning to successfully manage a mouse button.
we downgrade you to buttonless mouse.
Would you like the standard model, or the "extra bitey" variety?
@ChrisS hmm, when these certs expire maybe I switch :)
@voretaq7 Ooh! Extra-bitey. Is it hand-delivered by ouchy the clown?
16:45
@AdrianK no, it comes in a box with airholes.
(we used to ship them in boxes without air holes, but people complained they didn't work)
@voretaq7 Ah. The buildings down here all have rats. I'm sure I could trap one and save on the shipping costs.
@AdrianK Rat is an upgrade option, but they only come in extra-bitey.
BRB, moving to the UK and applying to work for the Angry Driving Germans.
oh wait I'd have to move to germany. Even better!
@voretaq7 That's impressive. I think I ended up working 4-on/4-off around-the-clock for IBM at one point. I went 42 days without a full day off and 3 months without a full night's sleep.
@AdrianK yeah, I'd quit.
I only put up with being the only ops guy on call right now because it's my system and it doesn't fail (and because I enforce my definition of off-hours emergency: Company unable to do business.)
Hey there, @all. May I post my gravatar on meta as a non-SF user?
16:53
howdyhowdy :D
@voretaq7 I was supporting mediation software from a company in Sweden that was being re-sold by the company that hired me a few months before IBM bought us. I hated it, but I was the only guy there who understood how to support Java. Getting Dev support doing the summer was impossible.
@Gigili if it has a hat, sure
you lost me at "supporting mediation software".
I mediate disputes by voltage. Last one to scream wins.
Heh, of course it has. =) Thank you then. (I've done it before asking :D)
I'm off, have fun.
@voretaq7 data remediation. We pulled data off all the controllers and devices on a wireless carrier's network and sent them to a processing front-end that shoved all the counters into Oracle.
@AdrianK that's.... disgusting.
16:59
@voretaq7 Until I started watching and reading LISA and LOPSA papers, I was pretty impressed by our 10TB databases.
17:10
@AdrianK yeah, our database (a few million rows in one table) is pretty dinky compared to some of those setups.
(to clarify it's more than just the one table. that's just the most bloated)
I figured as much. =)
@voretaq7 They always whined about the I/O load though. It's like "DUH", you're pulling a 2MB file off every single controller in your network every 15 minutes, unzipping it, and doing an insert/update. It's GOING to pull a lot of I/O.
@AdrianK But WHYyyYYYYYyyyYYYYYYyyyyyYYYY?
so they could do aggregated executive and engineering-level reporting across their entire network to track down and eliminate dropped calls..
@AdrianK so... no reason whatsoever then?
or are providers there radically different than the ones in the US? :)
@voretaq7 The non-US providers that used our software didn't measure even 1/10th the counters than the ones here did.
Do you remember the press coverage about dropped calls with iPhones and everyone blaming AT&T? That's the timeframe that I wasn't getting any sleep because they kept adding more counters trying to find ways to eliminate the dropped calls.
17:19
@AdrianK I'm just sayin' AT&T keeps telling me they're improving service but I can't make a call or browse at a reasonable speed on my iPhone in Manhattan.
@voretaq7 Exactly. And during that timeframe, I was the only guy in the Western Hemisphere trained up on the acquisition and mediation software they'd bought.
@AdrianK And I'm sure AT&T paid your employer well, and subsequently ignored all the data :)
<- is bitter at AT&T
they still go around like they're THE phone company.
@voretaq7 They dropped our software for an internal solution about a year after I left. And I won't do AT&T here because I require phone access off the freeways, something that's not easy with GSM. Most of the backcountry is still CDMA only.
17:39
Chat is still borkinated I see.
@WesleyDavid howso?
18:04
doobeedoobeedoooo deploying software the day before Christmas Eve...
@voretaq7 I can't click on anyone's profile or links in chat.
I get a "parseerror"
But I'm too lazy to turn off all my plugins or try another browser.
Crap, it's something in chrome.
Double crap, it's the SE Chat Extension plugin
whines at @RebeccaChernoff
@WesleyDavid Fix it and give her a christmas patch.
(What, the FreeBSD Security team gave me christmas security advisories!)
@voretaq7 I'd prefer eggnog.
@WesleyDavid I think they would have too :P
@WesleyDavid The who what? All's quiet on the front from here...
18:12
@ChrisS When the chat extension plugin is active, I cannae' click on links in chat nor can I click on people's profiles. I get a "parseerror" that drops down from the top of chat.
What's a chat extension plugin?
Or @Iain's. Same difference.
Hrm... Doesn't look all that useful.
@voretaq7 At least they said they were sorry... and threw a jab in there for anyone running telnetd in the wild.
@ChrisS and ftpd too.
18:22
Yeah, I like the workaround for that one... More blunt than usual.
At least none of them affect me, don't have to worry about them.
11.07 and 11.08 don't apply to me (or anyone sane!), 11.09 doesn't apply to me, 11.10 doesn't apply to me b/c all my local users are "trusted" (and I don't think I have any vulnerable apps anyway) - but I intend to patch it.
11.06 I need to fix, but it's not urgent.
You still haven't patched for 11.06??
ISC announced that one a month ago.
also this is where I gloat: we have had 10 security advisories all year.
my DNS is only internal
so I don't care so much
(and the bind port has been patched for a while - it's just bind in the base system that lags)
Oh, yeah...
Yeah, the port was patch 11/16 I think.
@ChrisS sounds about right. IDK when they pushed the patch to -stable but I know the individual release security branches lag behind that too
18:31
Yeah, port was updated v1.12 2011/11/16 23:41:13
I updated my systems the next morning.
Personality profiles in the interview process skeeve me a lil' bit.
I don't care about DNS anymore.
Congress is legislating it into insignificance, so fuck it.
I'm planning on carrying around a small notebook containing A records
Let's make January world "Just shut down the fucking root servers and be done with it!" month and see how people like THAT!
Although I might be put in prison for "writing stuff down"
18:34
@growse I'm going to be subversive and start distributing THE hosts file again.
@WesleyDavid We have people take DISC. They don't look at the results until after they make the decision to hire you or not... I'd use it to screen people, but I'm an a** like that.
I mean it can only be what - a few terabytes?
Could practically fit it on a USB stick. Nearly. Maybe.
It'll also be very compressible
@growse mmh, remember tho we need to support utf-8 in domain names now.
I wonder exactly how compressible the complete hosts file for the internet would be?
18:35
@growse I'd imagine it's gotta shrink down pretty well...
Probably somewhere around 90% using PAQ or 80% using LZMA; just guessing.
it's gonna double in size during the dual-stack transition period as we all move to v6 though...
actually more than, but let's just say double for the sake of argument...
That's not an argument you hear often
"IPv6 sucks"
"Why?"
"addresses are less compressible"
and we'll have to figure out what to do about MX and SRV records - host files don't cotton to none o' that fancy-pants "RRTYPE" shit.
Yeah, the "I don't like letters" argument is far more prevalent.
18:38
@ShaneMadden Fine. you can represent v6 addresses as dotted octets.
When I'm king, the only acceptible IP address format will be binary
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@voretaq7 That's what I've been telling people.
@ShaneMadden Tell them to evolve or become irrelevant; and that you prefer they do the later as it leaves more earning potential on the table. =]
@ChrisS Pretty much.
18:57
I'm still changing registrars though
@Holocryptic I think most of us are
That's hilarious

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