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2:00 PM

will still be tough legal battle ...

i imagine

not that big spacemanspiff, but big enough that we've got over 20 edge switches with their own set of subnets and vlans

VLAN's are overrated. What you need is a large collection of 10Mb hubs. No drama, no config. Fit and forget - exactly what IT all about

gotcha.... L3 links between then :)

yes

@Dan true, even batter than having VTP ;)

2:01 PM

funfun :) tell them to go pound sand yet?

tell whom? Panasonic? Or the fitters?

not sure haha

i mean the panasonic guy was a nice chap, very reasonable, and helpful. Now you might wonder about a system that doesn't support routing in this day and age, but their documentation is very clear about this requirement and about how to set it up and about how and how not to configure their gear

so not really their fault

Serious, and maybe stupid question, I don't quite get it. Do you have different VLANs for the CCTV in different parts of the building?

@RobMoir i guess it is multicast that is causing that, right?

2:06 PM

@pfo no its all unicast

tho panasonic support multicast

@Dan yes. They're all the same vlan number but seperate vlans on each edge switch with a /24 ip range of their own

@RobMoir Right!

so there's an obvious answer there

To be fair, apart from the obvious work involved, what would be the issue in making it a 'flat' VLAN

You shouldn't get any performance issues, and if that's all they support...

absolutely

its just a pita

Oh yeah - I'd be far from happy

And 18 months to get this answer is criminal

2:10 PM

@RobMoir I saw your tweet at firefox. Too funny

Did you hear that they announced an enterprise deployment schedule at LISA11?

well 18 months after which we got a new company in to support our CCTV infrastructure who took one look at what the old lot had done, went "what is this, I don't even..." and phoned panasonic, hence this visit by the panasonic guru who nearly cried at some of what the old lot did

@markm :) and yes. 1 year.

as if that helps

Bad times, Rob

@MarkM and it will be available by firefox 87, right?

@pfo Yeah. That's the version set for release in January, right?

And I have precisely zero point none resources to spend sorting this reconfiguration out plus the number of bugs that it will throw up even though it shouldn't because we're short of staff and putting all our shoulders behind our windows 7 thing.

2:13 PM

@RobMoir Are you in higher ed, or k-12?

further education, which is 16-19

year olds i mean

@MarkM Their grade system is almost completely different from ours...

So I see

I'm so glad that we didn't do the whole "upgrade from XP to 7" path. We just had the new school built and Win 7 as standard...apart from the Digital Signage, which is XP.

@tombull89 That's what we did too

2:15 PM

serverfault.com/questions/340853/… what is wrong with that guy? 1000 physical servers and they are asking how to measure egress bandwith out of their DC... WTF?!

I've managed to avoid any migrations to 7 - I just treat them as Greenfield sites and they get what they're given

At the start of one semester, all labs and classroom PCs were magically Win7 and all new computers going out were Win 7

@tombull89 I'm stuck trying to migrate our domain from XP with RM CC3 on top to Windows 7.

There are some XP still in offices, but all new machines over the last 1.5 yrs have been deployed with 7

@RobMoir Hahahahah, aahahahaha hahaha haha aahhhh :(

2:16 PM

@RobMoir what is CC3?

@pfo The devil itself in nearly every form

I've never heard of it either

Wish I could get my boss in gear and give me the money for all the Win7 boxes I need. Sick of hearing about how slow the 10 year old boxes are

Oh it'll be a "big bang" release during the summer break so it'll be a case from the user's point of view that at the start of 2012/2013 academic year, in september all the users will see their machines have magically turned into windows 7 ones during the holidays

By the time FF gets ADMX/MSI support, we'll have migrated everyone to Chrome ENT.

2:17 PM

CC3 is a middleware layer thats used quite a bit in UK education

Command & Conquer 3?

@RobMoir Huurk. When I was on my apprenticeship I worked with XP and CC3, on an "upgrade" to CC4.

middleware for doing what?

RM is a UK educational IT supplier, and they write a piece of software called "Community Connect". They have version 3, the latest is version 4. It's used for managing the network, basically to 'hide' AD from everything

i personally think that the term "middleware" is even more abused than "cloud" and "virtualization".

2:18 PM

I'll stick my neck out and say 4 is okay in the right circumstances - think primary school with no IT staff

@Dan What do you mean "Hide AD"

@Dan why would you want to do that?

managing the network. It's designed to "de-skill" a lot of management tasks to enable cheaper/lower end technicians to do more complex tasks than they'd normally be able to on a more normal network

ohhhhh

So it's like a fucked up management/delegation interface?

Instead (or as well as) using GPO's to manage the network and deploy packages CC3 makes it "easier" to define policies and whatnot.

2:19 PM

thats precisely what it is. Including the fucked up bit.

That's a bummer

Actually that's not fair. It's aimed at lower level schools

Luckily, my boss where I am now is 100% vanilla Windows.

and for those kinds of places that have 100 machines tops and maybe 2 servers and no skilled staff to speak of, its good stuff

Yeah, it still has its place to be entirely fair

I tell you what, though, for the benefit of those who've never seen it - it is NOT something that you want to pick apart

2:20 PM

Our windows stuff is vanilla as well, though there are talks of extending the schema to support Apple WGM without Open Directory. The thought of importing an ldf from Apple into my AD scares the living shit out of me though.

Most people think of it as simply sitting on top of AD - but it's more like a cancer

but for a place like we are here, where CC3 (or for that matter, their newer version, CC4) wasn't really designed to scale to and which does have skilled admins working for it which have knocked holes in all their config in order to make it work for a network this size, its a horrible mess

@MarkM Could be worse, could be like my High School and go all Mac :)

I've seen a few schools go 100% Mac

@MarkM luckily you could try it on a separate machine - but the schema is officially not defined and can change any time!

2:21 PM

@MarkM We've got an xServe to provide AD linkin for our Macs. Not that they work, though. Yet.

all mac would be better than CC3 or CC4 for a lot of places

And by seen, I mean, I'm normally installing a Windows Citrix box so that they can run the stuff they need!

like dan says, that kind of thing does have its place

@tombull89 We do now, but we have no plan for when it gets decomissioned since, you know, Apple DOESNT HAVE A FUCKING SERVER LINEUP

@MarkM the light approach would be to use something like puppet and distributed the managed preference files that WGM can generate to your clients.

2:22 PM

@pfo Yeah, that's certainly worth a look. It's been brought up but then everyone looks to me to implement it

@MarkM sure you do, you can buy a load of mac minis or a overkill Powerma-oh, wait.

we have about 80 mac clients plus a couple of servers and i'm trying to pull that back given that apple have stopped selling real servers. Like the ones we need.

@tombull89 Ask any veteren RMer about the Leeds CC4 rollout if you want a giggle

I'm already drowning in home rolled solutions since money is tight

bwahahahahahahaha

2:23 PM

Seriously WHY would you use a Mac Mini as a server? stabby stab

haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa‌aaaaaaahahaha

I know for (almost) a fact that OS X 10.7 Server can run unmodified on vSphere 5 with the right magic.

@MarkM there's actually a book that describes that approach in quite detail - Enterprise Mac Managed Preferences by Marczak et al.

or about a certain college in leicester that I don't want to name as this chat is logged, whose network manager all but started crying while telling me about their CC4 rollout

I just need to get Chop to break his NDA and we'll be good.

@pfo Awesome

2:24 PM

@MarkM but you still need a Mac Pro or Xserve to run Lion ontop vSphere

Thanks for the heads up, I'll give it a look

@RobMoir It was a bad year

@pfo From what I understand, Apple isn't doing that in their Maiden DC

@Dan wasn't that for the BSF managed solution? Leeds I mean

@RobMoir I wouldn't possibly know, Rob...

2:25 PM

@RobMoir I think I heard about that...maybe? It all went so epically kablastafucked that they didn't have IT systems for a year?

@MarkM i would love to hear from chopper what Apple backend really looks like, but he is under NDA afair.

yeah

(just say the name of the place, and then delete the message?)

he gave a couple winks about some stuff around the time of icloud

edugeek has a lot of horror stories. I've seen a few horrors close up

2:26 PM

@tombull89 TBH, when it comes to the initial CC4 rollout, it could be anywhere

@MarkM do they run OS X at all :P ?

@pfo For some front end stuff it sounded like

The rest was some commercial Unix that he wouldn't disclose

I'd imagine HP-UX given his close ties to HP and the fact that he consulted on it

wth?

we had one of the first CC3 roll outs @dan - we also have a multi-domain forest. RM stopped supporting those, for a while at least, after rolling CC3 out here with us.

@Dan I know RM - from YEARS back but I know them

2:27 PM

HP-UX nowadays?!?! :P

Just a guess

Could jsut as well be solaris

Solaris nowadays??!!? :P

haha

We have a small solaris installation

7ish servers

we got a quote for moving to CC4 even though I had already decided not to. About 4 times what I felt we could do a normal rollout for, and the sales engineer pretty much did their best to talk us out of it anyway

@pfo it's not actually an NDA as such as they have time limits, this is more of a 'never talk about' thing sorry - all I wil say is there's nothing in there that'd surprise anyone here

2:28 PM

Good thing @Kenny isn't here

he would rage

which wasn't a difficult thing for him to do on my part. I needed little persuasion to ditch CC4

I think he manages some solaris servers everyday

kills his inner child

@Chopper3 We need to transplant your brain into a different body that doesn't hold secrets so well

managing solaris makes you dead inside, that is true...

fun fact from yesterday

2:29 PM

Solaris is the OS/2 of the unix world...

he ran hostname -s

hoping to get the short hostname...

Nope...

He changed the hostname to '-s'

hahahahahahah

hehehe

I do tell you about lots of stuff, i.e. when I know other big customers of company X have got test/trial kit at the same time as me - then I don't mind dropping details

god i love solaris. The bit where other people use it and I get to hear about it afterwards, I mean.

2:31 PM

it was good in the 90s, but that was 20 years ago ...

some stuff you just can't talk about

Guys - can I ask a question of you all?

shoot

GUN! RUN!

I'm about to leave for home, so make it quick

2:32 PM

I'm pre-emptively going with an answer of: "It's not possible"

Actually I'll hedge that with the answer: "7.2"

Purple

@growse Surely you mean 42

i'd say "it depends".

i'd just ask if I were you dan.

Bring Your Own PC
Consumerisation of IT

Whatever you want to call it.....Is it it just me that hates the idea?

2:34 PM

@ChrisS 42 isn't as fun as 7.2 though :)

(It took so long due to a phone call)

We're going throught this whole thing in my company

I hate the idea of having to deal with people bring in or purchasing their own equipment

@Dan F- No. I hate the idea.

It's limited to mobiles at the moment though

2:35 PM

@Dan Laptops/PCs - fuck that. Phones/Tablets - fair game

Surely the attitude should be "bring your own, fine. Don't expect support." ?

@MarkM WHat he said

@Dan This is like staff/students brining in their own laptops/iDevice and wanting to use it on the network?

my answer: lol, no.

Thank god - it's such a huge buzzphrase at the minute

@Dan This is my network (where "my" means "owned by the business"). Thou shalt not connect thyn unmanaged device!

2:36 PM

We don't offer phones anymore to lower then management-level

No, I hate it too. I don't mind students bring their own laptops in to work in our library but I couldn't imagine liking the idea of it being formally used as part of anyone's business

So, they can bring their own

@tombull89 It is, but the idea is for the company to support and encourage it. The theory is you provide a virtual desktop and let them install the client and connect

and connect to exchange an what not, but don't expect support if it doesn't work

There's not a problem with connecting anything to my network, as long as the business understands the risks and funds the implementation of technical controls

2:36 PM

@Dan Ah that's not as bad

I can see the idea

But I just think it'll become a nightmare as time goes on

We have about 200 phones that are university supports. Anyone else wanting email that's not important enough to get a blackberry can buy a phone that does activesync, opt into us being able to wipe their phone remotely, and use without support

i'd be glad if users here would drag in their own multi-million storage arrays and various nexus switches and some DL380s ;)

but best effort support only of course :P

If they want me to make it work (and guarantee it works) it's going to be my device, controlled/managed by me, and I get the final say in basically every way. That may sound Machiavellian, but I'm easy going and very reasonable.

@pfo You don't really mean that. "What do you mean you just 'tossed' it in the back of your truck and drove it over here?"

2:38 PM

Well, this has made me feel better

how dumb of me, yes - you right.

@ChrisS I agree in theory, but a lot of IT support shops are stepping back from the device level and just making sure the service works

It's just mentioned everywhere at the minute

@Dan Because everyone on the planet is pushing their MDM solution

they can all suck it

i like the idea of providing a VDI infrastructure and remote connectivity so people can work on their own devices, whether at home or elsewhere. I just can't imagine being able to provide support for their home devices or buy less computers because of it

2:40 PM

@growse We've tip toed in that direction and got burnt by device inconsistencies. Perhaps it's different for me where every minute a device isn't working gets put on someone's time sheet and 5 managers sign-off that their device was the reason for the lack of productivity...

I wonder how much of the hype is down to freshly minted graduate journalists in IT mags who hate being told they can't install their own spyware on their work PC. The same place those yearly rants about how draconian network admins are bad for the workplace comes from

@ChrisS absolutely, it depends on the environment

@RobMoir Absolutely - I love VDI, I'd just rather be in charge of the things connecting to it on the business floor. If you want to connect from home, great - but if it doesn't work I'm sending you to Google

yes

@RobMoir We do allow people to connect form their home computers to our VDI. But only after they've explicitly agreed that it's not guaranteed to work under any circumstances and they should have no expectation of it working...

2:41 PM

If the business says "We want anyone to be able to use any phone to connect to the Exchange servers, from anywhere in the world", that should be subject to a bunch of smart people sayiing "Here's your risks, and here's how much it's going to cost"

@ChrisS yeah and we provide a RD Gateway for home working under much the same conditions

If someone's phone doesn't work, isn't supported because it's their own device, and the service is up, that's their own problem

@growse that's how i've learnt to manage my managers. I never say "no" now, unless the question is about tech that could only have come from watching the sci fi channel, just a variation of "We can do whatever you want, here's the costs and here's the risks of your idea. Let me know what you think"

@RobMoir If only more places thought like that.

A little OT, but can people with enough rep to vote-close peek over here and sort by 4x close and 3x close and try and clean up some of the old crap?

2:43 PM

I've seen too many IT departments that think they own the business

the IT tail should never wag the business dog

@growse I must admit, ironically, this is another pet hate

IT is there to enable the business to carry out its role, whatever that may be and we should do everything we can to improve that

My favourite implementation was a while back where a group basically wanted to break the SOX law. I said "you can absolutely do that, but our CEO will probably go to prison". They didn't do it.

our aruba AP's are funny when they are installed for the first time.. they reboot like 7 times. Each one is similar to "rebooting after installing certificate", "rebooting after being provisioned" etc

You'd think that a windows 2000 admin created these boxes.. funny enough - they run linux

interesting

I suppose it's a good way to ensure the changes will be stable across reboots.

2:49 PM

probably.. but it's still a bit old fashion. You don't have to reboot an ESXi host after installing it to make an example :)

btw regarding bring your own PC: Many of the offices in the corp I work in are franchise, so they have to buy their own pc's and maintan them.. we only provide RDS to them. It works pretty good, allthough we do get the occasional question if we can fix their computer (which we won't).

True, and I agree with what you're saying... Sounds a bit lazy to me, but I don't make hardware either.

actually the one area we don't do is breaking the law. We won't do it or support anyone else doing it.

I'm pretty confident that most of us are supporting it in a few years.. people want to bring their penis extension (apple macbook) to work cause its cool and all that.. as long as those clients stay on a highly locked and secure network with only RDP/VDI access internally then its fine by me

@RobMoir Too high a liability for doing things like that. I'm still young. I want to be able to get a respectable job later.

Complete subject change. Who owns reusable grocery/shopping bags, and uses them at least once a week?

2:52 PM

Just have a few thin clients here and there so that they can get work done when their $300 acer laptop dies

@ChrisS I have gobs of them and use them frequently.

@ChrisS I have like 8 of those blue ikea bags.. I use them when I wash clothes

Typically at least twice. Once at the farmer's market and then at the grocery store.

they are fucking great.. you could carry a person in them without it breaking

@pauska You mean a dead body?

2:53 PM

@pauska Those ikea things are amazing. I've got two, but don't use them for shopping.

All of mine are various qualities of canvas.

That's the standard way to measure the size of a car's trunk here... how many dead bodies it'll fit.

I don't have any of the ikea bags, my sisters have some, for the same reason, laundry. I've got a bunch of the canvas bags that I use all the time.

@ChrisS Why do you ask about bags?

I assume XKCD

@ScottPack Yeah they are a bit too large for shopping, unless you're going to buy something big

Plastic Bags

2:56 PM

@ChrisS I have half a dozen fabric shopping bags

We hang them on a hook by the door so that we don't forget them on our way out

I use recyclable bags when I remember to - which is all the time when walking to the shop 300 yards away and less so when driving to to grocery shop

We tried keeping them in a closet for a while and ended up never remembering them

My wife's business had some printed up for marketing. Now that they've merged with another company...well...we're pretty well stocked in bags.

I know a lot of people who own them and never use them.... Makes me sad.

Webex with VMware about View now (how fitting). Back in a bit

3:07 PM

we have a housekeeper to do the shopping - do I win a laziest SF'er badge?

yes, you rich fuck.

4

Isn't a housekeeper just a cleaner with a payrise and title bump?

it's not much more expensive than having a cleaner

great minds - yes basically

I'm hopefully going to afford a cleaner in the next few years

Just don't make a mess :P

3:11 PM

someone who just comes in every two weeks and cleans it all.. I can do the vacuuming and picking stuff up, i just absolutely HATE to wash

I'd have a cleaner, but it'd have to be twice a week

And they'd have to do the hoovering

I hate hoovering

Unfortunately, the awesome cat means hoovering is required lots.

@pauska A house cleaners who just scrubs your bathrooms every other week around here costs about USD $25/h (so roughly $150 to $200 per month).

wife comes from 'old money' so when I met her I knew she'd never be the type to clean, wash, iron, cook etc. at least I knew what I was letting myself in for

I want a cleaner, but I really want someone to do the ironing and that seems to get a bit pricey

Unless I can just pay them by the hour

@growse Is that something like running the vacuum?

3:14 PM

But as I'm trying to fund 2x car restorations and potentially a wedding, I'll just need to wait

Pricey projects... How I miss them.

:D

The 1x car restoration is all but done, 2x is just starting and the wedding will have to wait a few months yet

Wedding project that is, not the actual day

I'm married and have two mortgages that gobble all my money.

Ouch

If my bank account was a human it'd laugh at me instead of showing me the actual numbers.

3:19 PM

@ChrisS it is. Englishism.

I thought you owned a hovercraft for a moment there... really confused.

Hovercraft?

@ChrisS Life hack: stop looking at your bank account.

(and here comes the lol wtfs)

user image

@Incognito Have to look to pay the CC Bill and make sure money is in the right place for the automatic mortgage payments.

@ChrisS Of course. I'm speaking from my own changes, I have my own bills and so forth. I used to stress out a lot about money, I felt it added a lot of useless stress to my life and stopped me from enjoying life. I'm at a place where I only look at my bank account every month or two.

Every month or two I move all the money where it needs to go, and repeat.

3:25 PM

Oh; well that's only my Credit Union account I'm looking at... I've got investment accounts around that I look at when I need an upper.

@ChrisS I know what one is :D I just wondered where it came from

In practice, I don't really want to spend money on things any more, I've gone from buying useless things like a 300$ pair of sneakers to just consuming less, cutting junk out of my life. It's weird, I'll blog about it all one day.

I still love my cars

But I've never spent much on other stuff apart from food

I used to blow through cash like a fool. I'm still young so I tell myself it was a learning experience, helps me sleep at night.

I've got some debt I wish I didn't have

But I'll be clear in 12 months!

3:33 PM

The Richest Man in Babylon (book)

The Richest Man in Babylon is a book by George Samuel Clason which dispenses financial advice through a collection of parables set in ancient Babylon. Through their experiences in business and managing household finance, the characters in the parables learn simple lessons in financial wisdom. Originally a series of separate informational pamphlets distributed by banks and insurance companies, the pamphlets were bound together and published in book form in 1926. The Man Who Desired Gold Bansir, a chariot builder, has a conversation with his friend Kobbi, a musician. They bemoan the time...

You can pick up the book in a lot of bookstores for like 5-10$ or something.

Oh, it's free online

@Incognito It's just money... Either you're still alive and can earn more, or you're dead and don't need it anymore. Either way it's nothing to lose sleep over.

@ChrisS Oh I know, but it's still unfortunate. Imagine if you will, having the fore-sight to have bought gold when it was only $800/ounce, and sell it at $1000/ounce because you wanted useless junk, even though you knew it was going up.

Part of the reason I sold it was: I looked at it every day. Hence: don't look at your money.

So unrelated to all of this-- is anyone familiar with spam filtering? I'm looking for SpamAssassin as a service that runs the probability checking on emails before being sent.

hai.

I want to know how something scores before I send it, which in theory should be possible.

@growse I didn't have much time to play with the zfs thing but you got the idea :)

3:39 PM

@Iain I do - thanks for your insight

although the replacing of about 15 pipe commands with a single sed made me mini-rage

@Incognito I run SA on my home e-mail.

@ChrisS Ever heard of something that runs just the checking system and returns a score?

@growse Time to lean sed

@ChrisS Indeed

@Incognito Sure, the spamc program will take the e-mail as stdin and dump it with score as stdout

If you just want a one off score you can send it to me and I'll tell you the score (my install is very vanilla). If you want to do that on a regular basis installing SA isn't terrible...

3:44 PM

I've just never played with SA before, it looks like a closed box of middleware from the website's description.

So I can basically install on my dev box, and pass text in, that's simple enough.

@Incognito It's just a bunch of Perl scripts... no magic smoke.

Perl is nothing but magic smoke.

Nah; the OO Perl stuff is Black Magic, but otherwise it's all good.

I had a neo from the matrix moment one day looking at my old server that does some reporting to see if this one website changed their JS files-- I looked through the index and saw some moni.pl and I just jumped back and said "What? I know perl?!"

Evidently, I know some perl.

Are you speaking of the new perl6 or something else?

Just reviewing the docs; looks like spamassassin-run -t < original.email > with_report.email will do what you want, and tell you in detail how the message got the score.

3:50 PM

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Q: SSH tunnel over multi hops using putty

I have a situation where I want to connect to a Linux machine running VNC (lets call it VNCServer) which is behind two consecutive Linux machines i.e., to ssh into the VNCServer, I have to ssh into Gateway1 from my laptop, then from Gateway1 shell I ssh into the Gateway2 and then from that shell ...

my quest for 1000 rep continues!

(HINT HINT)

@Incognito Perl 5 has OO Perl, maybe earlier versions too... I don't care for Object Oriented languages, but I'm incorrigible like that.

@PeterGrace Never mind about 1000 rep, what about that mod ♦?

@PeterGrace it's a dupe of loads

@Iain damn it, I can still get rep for it! :P

@tombull89 being an employee does not automatically cause one to become a moderator, the rules of the community still apply

Kenny Rasschaert

Hell, I'll upvote anything with some nice markdown.

3:53 PM

@PeterGrace 1 downvote coming up!

@PeterGrace They didn't used to :) Aren't you suspicious that you're the only one without a diamond?

NOOOOOO

hahahaha

It's because they secretly hate you

@MarkM I think they do.

It's my dashing good looks, honestly.

Kyle and George both have diamonds. Do they haze you because you dont?

3:54 PM

Woot, thanks for the upvotes. 90 rep to go before new years

Stick you with the check, give you wedgies, etc?

@markm nope -- they also have pretty ridiculous rep and street cred.

BTW, you picked a shitty time to leave Pottstown. They just opened a Popeye's Chicken on High street

I know!

That's about a mile from my house, in fact

it's funny, on Friday night the drive thru line pours out onto high street

you'd think it was good food!

haha right

3:56 PM

honestly, I go there and buy biscuits.

I had to bring a cooler to the other half that she forgot when she went to work last weekend and I decided to stop there on the way.

They have ridiculously good biscuits.

Yeah, I crushed my biscuit immediately.

hurrah we're actually getting our christmas bonus this year

Sometimes we order from a pizza place in bridgeport and they have amazing garlic rolls. She'll want to split a pizza and some wings or something and I just want half a dozen garlic rolls

3:58 PM

@RobMoir HUZZAH!

@MarkM Which place?

that's what we all said @petergrace

It all helps!

later folks

Seeya, Rob.

@PeterGrace Dino's

@MarkM I don't know if I've had from there before. I know some people really rave about Franzone's, but that might be more Conshohocken.

Is it me, or are vSphere 5.0 syslog messages oddly formatted?

3:59 PM

I also like it because our receipt always says that "Luigi" is our server, no matter who actually delivers the pizza

@PeterGrace That place SUCCCKS!! I just wrote a terrible Yelp review for them

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