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12:08 AM
 
wow, -89
some interesting ones in there!
 
@WesleyDavid Mommy?
 
@84104 No I think it was (his) dad....
I really hate VZ LTE throttling.
 
I wonder if the person filming died from all the noxious gasses that produced.
 
12:23 AM
@Zoredache is that a battery?
 
It totally looks like something from Aliens
 
yikes
 
that's Android for you
 
12:59 AM
@Jacob I thought it was a cell phone.
 
1:10 AM
Looks like an "old skool" Nokia
 
1:26 AM
Thats ummmm.....interesting
 
Not necessarily something I want to see during my dinner tho
 
2:10 AM
Heh heh. I incorporated Guido into an answer:
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A: Vim python indenting changes code semantics

MikeyBYeah, don't do that. The whole point of autoindent in VIM is to have the editor guess at where the whitespace ought to go according to language formatting rules. However: Python whitespace is important, as you know. As the doctor would say: Don't Do That Then.

And on that note: What the hell was the question asker smoking?
 
@MikeyB Would be nice if he'd share. Selfish bugger.
 
3:05 AM
Scumbag Computer Scientist:
 
 
4 hours later…
6:55 AM
The next time I start a baking project late at night, someone shoot me...
They look like little cupcakes:
but they're actually cake balls:
 
What is wrong with them looking like minature cupcakes?
They still look like they should taste good
 
The first batch we made on Sat as a trial run were great, these ones are coming out all deformed and the butter cream icing I made on Sat was much better than tonight's.
That's what we get for rushing...
There are about 35 in the first picture, I've got about 60 rejects...
 
 
1 hour later…
8:10 AM
Morning all
 
8:34 AM
G'day
 
8:59 AM
hola
 
an interesting discussion you started there @pauska, with one exception all of the people I expected to respond have done
 
I have the feeling they think everything is going fine
But quite a few off us think otherwise...
I guess we'll have to let it play out
 
Dan
Morning
 
@BartDeVos I guess it depends on what your perspective is
 
Well, they could be right. Perhaps everything is OK, and we get a bit blinded by Chopper's mood
speaking of the (cat eating) devil, morning @Chopper3
 
9:06 AM
@Iain I have the feeling, a bit more mods wouldn't hurt
 
hi
my mood?
 
ok, not mood then.. displeasure in seeing all the crappy questions
we're good at linking them here all day long
btw, I have to confess.. finding a spammer and flagging it is more fun than answering questions, but thats just the BOFH in me
 
Dan
Right, I have 8 hours worth of VMWare View videos. I'm in for a fun few days
 
vmware view is fun, so no worries
 
Dan
Cool
I do enjoy learning, so long as I have videos - I hate reading :D
 
9:10 AM
I wish microsoft had a view manager like vmware does.. stupid RD web app :(
heh.. look at this (english) ad for "System Engineer"
"Experienced user of Microsoft Office"
 
Dan
First thing I noticed :D
 
@pauska Do you think it could be a remote job ?
 
I have no idea.. it's a Norwegian company, so it must be some kind of reason they're announcing it in english
they even put norway's international prefix on their phone numbers.. I guess they want applicants from outside NO then
 
9:55 AM
Aaah, /review is empty
:)
 
If its in English then could they be looking to increase or open an operation in the UK or Ireland?
 
Sorry Rob, I have absolutely no idea
 
just wondering out loud, wasn't planning to apply ;-)
 
looks like they have one, "Address: 26-28 Hammersmith Grove, London W6 7BA, United Kingdom"
 
If it didn't say previous experience required, my wife could have applied based on the other requirements listed - she struggles to manage an iPad though
 
9:59 AM
could be then. I'd have thought they'd want operations outside the euro zone to increase the time zones they have support staff in without having to pay out of hours premiums
 
10:24 AM
hello
:D
 
Dan
Definitely
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16163931

Holy Shit!

Trillion Frames Per Second Camera!
 
@Ian thx for protecting :)
I think 4/7 answers are spam in this one:
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A: Exchange 2003 Corrupt Inbox

Caroline BrownThis happens many times that the availability of inbuilt scanpst.exe or inbox repair tool are not helpful most of the time specially when the corruption problem is very severe. And at last fails to resolve the problem. So in that condition you can try third party PST repair tool to resolve the pr...

 
That sucks :|
kudos to moderators, don't think I've noticed much spam
 
10:37 AM
@SpacemanSpiff ayup - where are you now ?
We're really quite good a noticing and dealing with spam
 
Leistal, Switzerland, just outside Basel
 
Dan
@SpacemanSpiff WHat is it you do?
 
sounds expensive
 
This gig is to do a bottom-up infrastructure audit, visiting each site and digging up details, interviewing people
 
Dan
Interesting
 
10:40 AM
It is quite interesting, people stuck in their ways, not being in sync with the business
@Iain - yes, glad I'm not paying the bills
Dinner for 3 (a damn nice one) 240 swiss francs?
:O
 
I have a friend who works in Switzerland but who lives in France because it's so expensive
 
Right, most of the team here is either German or French
only 1 out of 12 live here I think
Drive to Rossdorf in Germany tomorrow morning
 
Hello, are there any books for learning Linux to the deepest? I mean, kernel & filesystem level.
 
Is Google broken?
 
@SpacemanSpiff nope. it's loading fine here.
 
10:46 AM
@SpacemanSpiff fine from the uk
 
@SpacemanSpiff it's not just about linux kernel. I don't know many things about Linux, like filesystems, partitions etc. I want to learn every bit of it
 
Ok, hold on
For management or development?
 
both?!
Basically I won;t be developing any apps. So, mostly management
 
and then pick up some kind of book on writing shell scripts and then maybe get familiar with something like python
 
10:50 AM
okay, thanks
 
that's a fedora/redhat type book, so maybe consider getting an ubuntu/debian based one if you prefer that.
 
Dan
Or just use Windows - it's your call :D
 
yeah
okay
 
It takes a certain mindset to use Linux, be prepared to be frustrated, and be prepared to read.the.manual. If you can't understand the manual, you're usually missing something fundamental.
 
you mean, the "man" pages? man command?
 
10:52 AM
Kind of like someone who "thinks" they know networking is handed the manual for QoS or VoIP dial peer configuration feels like they're reading another language entirely.
Well yes, but any kind of documentation, a good bit of formal documentation is just parameters and explanations of command options, not to educate you on technique or objective.
 
ok
can I ask/talk about DBMSs here?
(database management systems)
 
You can post questions to the site regarding technical problems or configuration questions, sometimes architecture as well, yes.
As long as you don't ask people to do your job for you, you will get very constructive help usually.
 
@its_meα installation and typical sysadmin duties yes, but DBA.se is better for usage
 
No, I meant here, the chat
 
preferably not
 
Dan
10:55 AM
This isn't really for tech support
 
No. It's just about the basics
 
we prefer to talk about boobs in the chatroom
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:D
 
with an occasional high level discussion regarding technology
 
If I am going to start a project, and expect its database to grow very big, should I choose MongoDB, CouchDB or Cassandra right from start?
that's my doubt
 
10:58 AM
define very big
 
flickr db size
2 times that actually
(I know they do it with MySQL)
 
Dan
Hang on, you mean twice the size as whatever DB Flickr uses?
No offence, but maybe you should chat to a DBA?
 
but what of the aforementioned DBMSs is better performant, reliable & faster under given conditions
 
Dan
What given conditions?
 
Once you get beyond a certain size, the actual technology ceases to matter.
Implementation is more important
 
10:59 AM
@Dan hey, I am not serious about this. Just a chat-level suggestion would be fine
 
Dan
Sorry, I'll be honest
I missed the "If" and started to panic
 
:)
 
Dan
If you lurk SF for a while you'll start to see the influx of "Hi, I'm going to write a new Facebook competitor this morning. I expect 30 million users by next month - should I use a Mac?"
 
@its_meα you're in the wrong place for this discussion
 
okay. I just wanted to ask. Lets forget it. :) it's fine.
@Dan and I am not planning on any such thing. I am learning to program.
 
11:02 AM
I just heard 'boobs' and came running. Never really lurked in chat before...
 
Dan
@its_meα Appreciated, though as Iain says, this isn't really the place for it
 
We really do prefer that you talk about boobs.
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okay.
And here goes... how do most sysadmins gain experience? first get a job, learn from your trainers?
 
just had white chocolate for the first time :O
@itsme - go to school, or training.
 
Find/build something small that no-one cares about, break it, fix it, etc.
 
11:05 AM
hmm..
 
Training's useful too though, if you've got the resources for that
 
Dan
@its_meα Experience and more experience, with plenty of "Oh shit..." moments
 
lol
 
Dan
Like any job - you don't start as a Chef in a Michelin Starred restaurant - you get a crappy job in your local town where you peel spuds all day
 
I still own a cowboy hat... but wait until someone at a higher paygrade tells me its okay to wear it.
 
Dan
11:06 AM
@SpacemanSpiff First time ever? WHAT?
 
I was a very picky eater growing up, I lived on powered donuts and dry toast for like 6 years
Still to this day trying many things for the first time.
@ 29 years old
I didn't have pizza until 16 I think? Ice cream at 18
 
good for ya, actually!
IMHO
 
I eventually graduated from powered donuts and dry toast to salami sandwiches and mcdonalds
thats when i started getting tubby
over time, a mostly junk food american diet, up until about 3 years ago
 
Dan
:D
White chocolate is nice
 
Databases, eh? Maybe you should speak to TomTom...
 
11:09 AM
tastes like cheesecake
 
@its_meα Can I just say that no large site you've ever heard of got to even being remotely well known status without calling in the experience of domain experts - it doesn't matter how smart young guys are they can't do it all and will repeat previously-made mistakes if they don't call in those who've done this before. Go to facebook/google/flickr and there'll be guys in their mid-30's or older who've built previous systems - don't try to break this cycle/rule, you'll fail.
 
I once knew a girl who called me TomTom
 
@Chopper3 right.
@Chopper3 : Large hosting companies like Softlayer, Rackspace, and Voxel offer enterprise-grade managed hosting with dedicated support team. Can that substitute the need for employing experts???
 
Is the chat "Enable desktop notification" meant to work? Can't say I've seen any notifications since I enabled it.
 
@growse I am sure it works in Chrome
 
11:21 AM
Aha, it just popped up. Must be I only get notified if I'm tagged. Feel stupid now.
 
@growse where is this ?
 
I expect so, but not if you don't work with them on scaling - nobody can scale from tiny to huge without many levels of reengineering along the way and all of that will be based on the various assumptions and measurements that can be taken at that time, these change along the way so need rework - so yeah they'll help but if you try to run flickr on them then it'll cost many times what it'd cost to do it yourself with people who know what they're doing
 
@Iain might not work in non-Chrome
@Iain below the starred questions on the right.
 
@its_meα So is this what you're building? some kind of flickr alternative? if so is it your company or are you just working on it? what sort of investment do you have?
 
It's just me. I can spend up to $10,000 a month. And I believe that would be okay for a start. Since it's a paid service, I guess the premium subscriptions will pay for the increasing costs.
(premium subscriptions - directly proportional to - service usage - directly proportional to - costs)
@Chopper3 and did you or your company have any experience with Softlayer, Rackspace, or Voxel so far?
 
11:25 AM
@itsme You'll probably find that your costs don't necessarily scale linearly
 
hmm... then I'll continue to sharpen the product until I can invest more
 
@its_meα No, not at all, that's really not the kind of thing we do
 
besides I am just starting to learn programming now. So, there's a lot of time, before it actually happens
@Chopper3 okay
 
@growse don't see it on FF
 
well, better get to it then :)
 
11:29 AM
@Iain probably not supported on FF then.
 
At the end of the day there are few substitutes for having at least one expert actually on your side of the fence. Even if their main expertise is in talking to the real experts at your hosting companies/cloud providers and detecting bullcrap
 
So you're happy to invest $120k/pa but don't want to bring in a DBA to consult for you? and it's your company but you want to do the programming? Seems odd, are you a business guy or a coder? not sure you can be both
 
I think he should invest 120k in boobies, that way at least 8 women will be out there with larger breasts.
 
designing and building really complex systems with a lot of dependencies is just as hard in the systems / networking side of things as it is in the programming side of things.
 
Plus £120k, spent wisely, would actually get you a pretty useful block of basic infrastructure, a TINY fraction of what you'd need to handle even a few % of flickr's workload but it'd work at least
 
11:32 AM
It sounds like £10k a month from someone who's just learning programming will get spent on figuring out what it is you don't know yet.
 
@its_meα who's doing your finance/legal stuff, do you have a business plan?
 
To me, what's going to seperate you from Flickr? It's not like the world needs "another" image hosting site, what's going to make your one stand out and be successful?
 
what about marketing, how are you approaching this, what are your market research numbers to justify this? also how will a subscription model work in comparison to your competition?
 
@Chopper3 and @RobMoir : I thought experts are costly?
 
@tombull89 speed of failure?
 
11:33 AM
I am not a business man. I am a student
 
@its_meα So is blowing all your money and having nothing to show for it.
 
@Chopper3 lol
 
@its_meα you don't need an FTE DBA, but one who would look at the requirements and tell you what DB to start with - because believe you me, whatever you start with will need changing before you get to 2 x flickr stages, nothing scales from zero to that level, nothing free anyway
 
okay
 
Dan
I'm still confused as to whether this entirely hypothetical or not. Or is it for an assignment...?
 
11:36 AM
@its_meα I had a dream once too - it involved a red indian squaw, a toy car, five gallons of WD40 and a shovel - but that's not going to happen either
 
What's the usual pay for database admins or sysadmins (per month)?
with good level of expertise
 
@itsme - hiring an expert to help you succeed can be costly. But let me put it this way, if you think hiring an expert to help do it right is costly, you should see the cost of doing it wrong and then hiring someone to put it right.

And don't forget that you can contract someone for the hours you need rather than signing on a full time employee, if needs be.
 
@itsme I think you're going to run us out of patience if you don't start talking about boobies
 
@its_meα depends on location and enviroment, really.
 
I'm in the UK but I'd say around £300/$400/day - but if you pay them for say a week or two you'd get a big chunk of work done
 
11:37 AM
@its_meα impossible to answer, large number of factors
it's like asking how much a CEO earns
it depends on location, type of business, size of company etc
Just.. focus on learning stuff, salary is a bonus later on
lab at home.. build systems (even if nobody wants to use them)
 
@SpacemanSpiff hehe!
 
get a entry-level job somewhere, work your self the way up, change jobs, make profit etc
you're basically asking us for a life plan here :P
 
:) okay, I get it
 
and some of us have fairly poor lives. I mean you might even learn about socks and trannys if you stick around.
 
oh god
 
11:40 AM
I work as a SysAdmin in a public school in the UK. I get a lot less than someone in a private school, and they would get less that somone working for a bank, or something like that, where downtime means loss of serious money. cough eBuyer cough
@SpacemanSpiff Are you trying to scare him off?
 
@its_meα This is homework right? please don't waste our time if it is, just pick a product and list its pro's and con's - that's all the tutor wants, if he reads it at all. If it's not homework you need to start WAY lower down the list of priorities than what DB to use, you need a business plan, cash flow plan, you need to understand the market and create a differentiated product/service and route to market. Watch the Apprentice, this isn't easy and it's not cheap or quick either.
 
I started building "servers" at my moms attic when I was 12 years old, consisting of outdated hardware running FreeBSD.. I've tried to get as much work as I could since then, and I'm now 29.. there are lots of people making tons of more money below my age
 
@tombull89 - I meant sockets and transmission control protocol, of course.
 
@Chopper3 Okay, that's £9000 a month ~ $14000 per month?! That's costly mean. This is my plan. I will build something nice, the best I can. Launch it, and see how it goes. I have nothing to lose.
:)
 
you don't need them for long though
 
11:41 AM
@its_meα You actually have the money to do this?
 
@tombull89 I can only spend $10k a month.
 
Dan
@pauska I nearly got us banned from our ISP around that age cos I built an open relay :D
 
How are you planning on 'launching' this? Field of Dreams style? that doesn't work
 
@Chopper3 - I don't know, it might work if it involves free boobs.
 
Dan
@its_meα Spend it on me - you can invest in my campervan <---
 
11:42 AM
@Chopper3 can you be a bit more clear?
 
@Dan I gave out free shells for l33t people to run IRC bots.. I quickly drowned in DDoS and got terminated from my ISP :P
 
I'm trying to win a badge for mentioning boobs more than anyone in one day. If there isn't one, there should be.
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Dan
@pauska Those were the days :D
 
@itsme building something "the best you can" at a lower level then scaling up if the demand is there is likely to work out better than trying to launch a site that tries to be everything and overstretches itself from day one
 
@its_meα okay, "only" $10k. wheres the money coming from?! you got someone to invest in you?
 
11:43 AM
@its_meα talk us through your 'launch'?
 
Dan
I should be cracking on with View, but this is amazing
 
i so enjoy having to go through GPOs building up user settings from scratch
 
@tombull89 No offense. I know that's more. But for hosting costs (dedi servers), paying someone to do stuff etc. it's not enough. I meant "only" from a startup point-of-view. Sorry
 
@Chopper3: Something strange: Flagged 2 posts as spam, both posts are gone now. Flags not deemed helpfull/declined. Is there anything that can be done about this?
 
@Chopper3 You mean...?
 
11:45 AM
@its_meα oh, granted, 10k isn't enough but it's a place to start...have you got the money though? who from?
 
@tombull89 parents. If I am sure I want to launch it, they'll invest up to $250,000 (not all at a time - - in small chunks).
 
@BartDeVos linkies?
@its_meα ok, you're not getting this, you want to 'launch' your web site - tell me how you do that, what happens the day you launch, how do people learn about your site so that they may choose whether to give you money or not - right now the underpant gnomes from south park have a better business plan
 
@its_meα -blink- okay.
I wish my parents could do that.
 
Dan
@its_meα Holy shit. Do they not like having money?
 
11:48 AM
@Chopper3 oh that! I will first list out the pros of my service/product. Then send emails to my contacts (bloggers), TechCrunch, Mashable etc. Private beta with exclusive invites to those sites etc.
I am sure, i will learn a lot from the feedback I get through the private beta stage
 
with all due respect, that's exactly the same as a million other startups that, well, start up and aren't clear what problem they're solving that people actually have and disappear without a bang.
 
@Dan They want me to do something useful. And I want to do something big.
 
@Chopper3 I'm in the same boat btw, also flagged those as spam, eggs and bacon
 
and you don't think that maybe techcrunch, mashable etc don't get literally hundreds of identical emails per day? what's special about yours
 
Dan
@its_meα But you're going to do neither and end up with nothing
 
11:49 AM
@BartDeVos I flagged them too - they haven't been marked helpful or declined
 
@Dan don't be so sure about that. :)
 
Dan
@its_meα Dude - you came to ask what DB you should run on
 
you don't need to talk to the new media twats at mashable half as much as you need to get hold of a target audience, whoever that is, and explain exactly what real life problem they actually are having that your site solves, and how either no one else solves that or how they're all crap compared to you because you've spotted something they miss
 
@Chopper3 That's a secret for now.
 
there were a bunch of deleted spammy answers on those but they're still deleted
 
11:50 AM
its not so much that we want to steal your secrets, it more a case of asking you to be sure yourself that your secret is really going to be a hit
 
@RobMoir exactly, yes, I have.
 
@its_meα better be one hell of a secret - I just think you're going to be spending a lot of money in the wrong direction
 
Dan
Look, dude - fair play if you go for it and kudos if it works for you. We need start ups and we need people with ideas and I'm not trying to stifle that. But you're going about this ass backwards
 
pfo
@Dan you would be amazed about how much companies are doing exactly the same ...
 
it looks like splatne has just deleted the account after the first flag @BartDeVos and it appears that if that happens then no FW is awarded
 
11:51 AM
whatever I do, I will try and get some good advise from STACK users.
 
we're not being cynical about this 'cos we're cynical bastards... well i mean we are all cynics... but we're just hoping to help you do the right thing. I certainly wish you luck wherever you go with this :-)
 
Dan
@its_meα but advise over the net can only take you so far, and it's not very far I'm afraid. You need consultancy
But yeah - there's nothing stopping you from building a small scale beta
 
Same, I certainly wish you the best but you need some sort of professional help.
 
@Iain As long as the flags don't get declined, it's fine :)
 
@its_meα this is SF though dude, not SO
 
Dan
11:53 AM
Just be prepared to scale, and hope that your business allows that without much more investment
A huge problem for businesses is having enough interest that they need to scale, but not enough cash flow to invest in it.
 
@BartDeVos indeed - I hadn't noticed btw - Only 20 left to get back to 750 :)
 
@Dan That's exactly what I am talking about.
@tombull89 I understand
 
Dan
You're problem is that to get professional help, you're going to have to tell them lots of detail
 
@Chopper3 I would need help from both SO and SF
 
No, you need professional help, not just a few crumbs from the table of pros talking about boobs
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11:56 AM
@its_meα no, you need help from consultants
 
that's cool, that's what we're here for. Though both sites are more "I have this precise bug with this precise (programming/network/whatever) issue" than "help me design my infrastructure".
 
@its_meα Two final questions from me, how old are you (if you don't mind me asking) and where abouts do you live (UK, US, etc?)
 
@Rob
 
There's a lot of assumptions that people make about that kind of thing that really need to be handled on a proper face to face, one to one basis rather than crowdsourced
yes?
 
@tombull89 20 and IN
 
11:57 AM
@RobMoir "help me design my infrastructure" is a lot like "what widget should I buy" - they tend to get closed more often than not...
 
also you need to know this; no programmer can run a business - never, not for more than a year max anyway, if you're a programmer do programming jobs, don't try to do both jobs, you'll fail. Someone passes Obama a coffee every day but it doesn't mean that guy could become president and make his own coffee
 
well yes, that's kinda my point... I'm just being awfully British and under-stated about it ;-)
 
we do that ;)
 
another reason for the face to face thing actually.
 
Dan
Am I right in saying youv'e never held a pro IT job?
(And I swear I'm not being nasty here, bear with me)
 
11:59 AM
@Dan of course! you are right
 
when you're betting the farm on someone's design you need to look them in the eye and see just how confident they really are in the answers they're giving you
 
my wife's got me watching a twitter feed to find out when a shop is getting in some felt animal kits so I can buy them - ffs, is this what my life has become??
 
felt animal kits? As long as they're not kittens...
 
@RobMoir right
 

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