The Comms Room

@Chopper3 I do understand that I have a long way to go. And I will make sure I reach my goal

It's just that, when I was 18 - and a friend and I had finished college (All IT related) and thought we were ready to take on the world. We messed around with starting up an IT business but, naturally, ended up doing the usual shitty home user stuff like cleaning viruses and installing new hardware.

I then went and got a job doing 1st / 2nd line support for a school where I really began to learn. Business IT is a long long long way away from whatever you can do at home or in school / college etc. Trust me on that - get some real world experience first!

If I walked into a bank and asked for £500,000 to set up a website and I had no sample code, no working beta, no development/marketing plan they would laugh me out of the place.

@tombull89 We need another .com bubble :D

@tombull89 I am not there yet.

12:02 PM

This is the problem with 'easy money' - you're not forced to work your ass off for it.

And by the way, I have already bought the .com, .net, .org and .tv domains for the name

@Dan speaks sense...going from nothing to all-out spending money is not a good idea. I've been doing my job for two years and I would need to do it for another 20 before I was fully confident going out on my own.

@growse you are wrong. I will work my ass off

@its_meα what about .xxx? ;)

@tombull89 they probably would even if you did

12:03 PM

@tombull89 hmm...

What's it gonna be called? Flickimgur?

@Chopper3 True.

@tombull89 secret

I will do what I can to make it standout of the crowd

@its_meα Fair enough.

@itsme @tombull89 is right - getting funding from a VC or bank provides a massive incentive to do your market research, business planning, prototyping before you get to throw any money down the drain

@its_meα Mate - I think we all know how you feel right now. It's just, I dunno, if you've not seen enterprise IT in action, how the hell do you expect to replicate it?

12:05 PM

@its_meα AHHHH! .TV, now you're talking my language - what you do isn't a flickr alt is it? you're reinventing youtube right? now we're in my territory - $10k a day was it you could spend?

Mostly because you won't get the funding until you've done the legwork. It sounds here like you've already got money for something, and now you're just trying to figure out what to do with it.

If the VCs actually like my product, they'll come to me. If my service is not useful/catchy, they shouldn't

VCs hear and reject millions of pitches every year. Why would they come looking for you if you weren't interested in approaching them for their investment?

@Chopper3 This reminds me of an argument with a guy who reckoned he could build a genuine Facebook replacement for 100k a year. He was a programmer, too - I sent him some links to an EVA, a chassis and a Flex10 NIC. Not entirely relevent, but it made my point.

12:07 PM

@growse They'll come. :)

@itsme Yeah, that's not how Venture Capitalism works, but good luck.

VCs don't care about product, they care about ROI, your product could be great or crap, so long as your business plan and marketing positions are clear and verifiable

@Dan but things like facebook are not running on anything shared like an EVA

there are no enterprise grade central elements that can handle things like FB etc.

@Dan just a single 10Gb SFP+ at non-corp discount is silly money for a startup

@Chopper3 like I said, it's a paid service, with a free plan that allows people to check it out.

12:08 PM

@pfo My point to him that enterprise equipment isn't cheap. To be honest, I have no idea what FB runs on, nor do I care.

@its_meα Start reading Hacker News, they just had a new round of start-ups. They will not come after you, you need to knock on their doors.

@pfo but then they've invested millions in custom code so they don't have to

StackExchange is running on VC...small matter of $17 Million....just a though.

a huge part of all that .com v2 stuff is to use low end consumer crap

If they aren't interesting in products like DropBox, I wouldn't put my hopes up high.

12:09 PM

startups today would get far with little money.. drdb+nginx+haproxy(etc) on low-end hardware

@its_meα aka Freemium

@BartDeVos I DO NOT HAVE A PRODUCT YET.

@its_meα How many paid customers do you expect in the first month, quarter, year, what about year 2?

Half the people talking now haven't been to the conversation from the beginning

@tombull89 exactly, and they have a tiny infrastructure and small support team (quality guys though ;) )

12:10 PM

@Chopper3 And a decent product.

@Chopper3 exactly - they spent millions of bucks and thousands of hours thinking (from kickass engineers) about how to run things the way they are currently doing - and 1000s of man hours in the western world is where your money goes - the equipment cost etc is probably next to nothing to that ...

@BartDeVos If dropbox, to you, is interesting, you'll probably love mine

@pfo exactly

@its_meα I've been reading up...

@its_meα tbh, this is getting kind of dull. You have no product and you won't even tell us your idea

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12:11 PM

@its_meα mylittleponylover.com is still free though?

dropbox is useful but I wouldn't call it interesting. I know lots of products I'd describe that way too

@its_meα To me, yes, not to VCs.

@itsme You might wanna take note that this room is logged, and public for anyone to view/download transcript. I recommend you to stop the conversation completely.

@Chopper3 not for much longer...

I assumed @Holocryptic had that pony URL stitched up

12:12 PM

@BartDeVos then you should have known that I am learning, still

Q: Networking home computers without permission

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My husband is divorcing me. We have three computers using the same router. I think he has recently setup a home network without my permission. He has now locked his computer with passwords. I am starting to have problems with my computer and have found files which state that I do not have permiss...

network-monitoring

OMG

@its_meα Please come back when you launch, although I'm sure we'll all be using and paying for it from day one anyway, but come back - we'll offer you some free pentesting too if you like

@BartDeVos OM_F_G!

SSSSSSSH!

"My husband is divorcing me. " -> This can only end bad

12:12 PM

@Dan This chat is public. The reason i can't speak.

@BartDeVos wow. just...wow.

we're being logged

stop talking

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pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease

I want funpics and boob talk back

@Chopper3 save it for later

someone show me a pair of smoking hot tits please

@Chopper3...migrated...really?

12:13 PM

@pauska that's the reason why I havent given any details about my service/product so far

seriously, come back - we'll all help you when you have answerable questions

no wonder they are divorcing if the husband is not even supposed to setup a "home network" without her permission. i would divorce that bitch too! ;)

@tombull89 where is it most likely to get appropriate answers quickly?

@Chopper3 sure thing!

@BartDeVos That's amazing

12:14 PM

@Dan Or sad, depending on the view

@pauska google?

@pauska I call both!

@Chopper3 I would have just killed-it-with-fire.

my girlfriend had an ex like that.. he had keyloggers on her laptop to spy on her

Boo. I was just flagging that one when I got the ominous blue bar of "YOU'R TOO LATE!!!!"

12:14 PM

@Chopper3 seriously, okay!

@tombull89 know what you mean but let SU have a go

@growse Same

@its_meα Just...when you do ask questions, make sure they're decent answerable ones otherwise you'll hit the quality filter like you did on M.SO.

:)

@BartDeVos Personally, I think the blue bar should have a more mocking tone.

12:16 PM

aaaand...it's raining again. This weather needs to sort itself out.

@growse need more comic sans.

@growse Maybe add "sad trombone"

I receivedvery good advise so far, satirical mostly, but eye openers. Thanks for everything. I hope to build something useful, and try to keep it interesting. And I will put my best efforts into it. That's all I can say for now. You'll know when I am ready. :)

@BartDeVos +1 Sad Trombone

Wish me good luck, hey?!

@its_meα Good luck - build it, just don't spend any money yet

(Please - for me)

12:18 PM

@its_meα Have fun & Good Luck ;)

BTW

@its_me the important things like a prototype can be built without much monetary effort - try to build something that you can show to people that captures your core idea. you can get professional help to implement that later on ...

@Dan :) sure. I will not have too much money left if I spend it all. I am not rich

Q: Networking home computers without permission

super user is actualy giving it a chance:

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My husband is divorcing me. We have three computers using the same router. I think he has recently setup a home network without my permission. He has now locked his computer with passwords. I am starting to have problems with my computer and have found files which state that I do not have permiss...

network-monitoring

@pfo right. Thanks

RIght, this has been fun but I'm thinking soup, sandwich and then crack on with my videos

I'm 4 in and have yet to fire up ESXi

12:20 PM

:)

buh, bye! And take care.

Bye

@bart - sirex's answer is quite good if you ask me

@RobMoir it is

@RobMoir It is

If you strip out all the drama, it's a valid question

yep, I'm glad to see it get a decent hearing upvoted

windows-server-2008 raid hyper-v sas das

12:28 PM

this should not have been closed

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Q: Best RAID for DAS

I'm finishing off a Terminal Services solution where I have two identical Dell PowerEdge R710 servers running Hyper-V which will both be connected to a Dell MD3000 DAS via SAS HBA. The MD3000 will host several virtual terminal servers and I'm wondering what would be a good disk configuration for ...

he gave lots of info about the setup, it's a perfectly valid question

@pauska agreed, voted to reopen

but it wasn't closed by a mod, it was closed by 5 regular users, any Q can be closed that way, democracy in action

I know chopper, I just linked it here to get it reopened

indeedy

Why am I starting to call you chopper, Phil?

The choppertard episode must have confused my brain

12:30 PM

Can I see close comments?

:)

come on - one more vote so I can edit the question back to its original state

:P

@pauska - go

Woooo - new badge

apparently I've voted 300 times. Feels like about 300,000

@voretaq7 Yes, I was hating on scheme, and yes, that does make several rather poignant statements regarding your worth as a person.

1:02 PM

Bash is, quite literally, amazing.

@growse you can probably substitute some of your pipes with sed 1,14d

@Iain probably, but sed fills me with fear.

I'm still figuring out where 'sudo' goes

<3 sed

I want to love sed

mastering sed is on the to-do list though

currently improving my awk-fu

1:04 PM

@growse I'm not good with zfs, does zfs list ... list them in a particular order ?

not guaranteed iirc

hence sort

@KennyRasschaert SO is the place for you then

I feel out of place there

All those kids with their C# and RoR

@KennyRasschaert there are a few sed/awk/bash questions there each day

AWK is an elegant weapon from a more civilized age.

1:06 PM

If only bash did associative arrays

Pity we can't get 'its_me a' to help EA/Origin - they've fucked up enormously in the last day or so and could do with a wide-eyed teen coder

Cruel

what have they done?

oh.. having googled a bit. That sounds like a typical EA cockup

It's EA...a fuckup is expected

EA as a company are so crap and unlucky that they could fall into a barrel of boobies and come out sucking their thumb

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1:10 PM

crashed in a heap having launched a new BF3 expansion - they've charged me 3 times but don't think I've bought it once - still can't get the expansion, their online help chat is screwed, their phone number goes to a dead tone and the one girl on reception at their head office started crying when I was speaking with her

no

it'd be a cock, not their thumb

lol, probably have thousands of gamers calling their corporate office line

BF3 was the game that made me decide to give up FPS gaming entirely

sounds like a bad day for the poor receptionist. Probably been having that all day

EA were the company that made me give up on EA games

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though I did enjoy it, the ratio of enjoyment to frustration was so far out of balance that I stood up, boxed up all my xbox equipment and traded it at gamestop or a gameboy for when i travel

@RobMoir With that, I'm debating if I should extend my boycott to include EA. ME3 might be more important to me than SC2:HotS

1:14 PM

i think you should even if i'm not sure what SC":HoTS is

Starcraft 2: Heart of the Swarm

ah ok

I'm on a boycott of all Activision/Blizzard games because of the declining state of WoW + the real-money auction of D3. I know one person boycotting won't do much in terms of...well anything but I can sleep at night knowing I'm not giving money to the company that is exploiting it's customer base worse than EA

that seems fair enough to me. I do like to try and stop giving money to companies that piss me off, so I approve... for what little my opinion is worth ;-)

Like you say, you might only be one person but its crazy to keep on supporting companies that wind you up

1:29 PM

@Chopper3 You seem to have that effect on people.

I was nice!

Chopper nice, or normal person nice? =]

no basis for comment

imgur.com/52OEz

@Chopper3 yeah, there's been a lot of "Origin Support Horror" images over at Reddit. Seems the outsourcing of origins support to india wasn't the best idea.

1:35 PM

is it ever?

'morning nerds

Afternoon @MarkM

What the hell does ^WR on twitter mean?

I watched Kick Ass again the other night - that film actually gets better each time

I'm going to spam three tweets here, bear with me

How often do you want to hear from us on Twitter? A few times a week, once a day, 2 times a day, 3 times a day?

Tweeted by firefox on December 14, 2011 at 12:17 AM

@firefox when you have an msi installer and gpo templates.

Tweeted by mdmarra on December 14, 2011 at 12:20 AM in reply to firefox

@mdmarra we're working on it. Thanks! ^WR

Tweeted by firefox on December 14, 2011 at 12:21 AM in reply to mdmarra

1:39 PM

It means "Wanker"

warm regards?

@MarkM I means in our day at least the acronyms were somewhat standardized so everyone could understand them, and if you didn't you could probably find a complete list somewhere and just look it up.. but today's generation of half-whits and general idiots have no pretension of communicability nor thought of their fellow human beings... Some days I think we should just wipe and reinstall.

They are using Cotweet

WR is a user/ff representative

Ahhh

Thanks @BartDeVos

That's the first i've heard of them working on that though

I wonder if they were just trying to shut me up haha

1:44 PM

@MarkM Are they working on it like they're working on TLS 1.2?

@ScottPack That should be ready for version 96. It'll launch in 8 weeks

:D

:)

@MarkM I'll queueueueueueueueue up a 'Fuck Yeah' for the appropriate moment.

I am quite amused when someone says something like "I've managed huge networks" but then admits then says they have no idea how to use monitoring tools.

1:46 PM

Their rapid release schedule is a pain in the dick

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Maybe their definition of "huge" is 300 desktops behind daisy chained hubs

Q: Ping returns "ip no resources"

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One of my clients networks keeps losing connectivity, either the network or the PC they are trying to connect to. I am running a ping from the PC to the router which runs fine most of the time and occasionally returns: Reply from 192.168.1.254 bytes=32 ip no resources What does the ip no reso...

windows-7 ping cmd

@tombull89 not sure if full of lulz, or should get the pitchforks

speaking of lulz...
1. our CCTV system was specified, installed and configured by the people who built our new campus building
2. our CCTV system runs on its own VLAN over our network infrastructure.
3. our network infrastructure is all nicely subnetted and routed between each part of the campus
4. Panasonic (CCTV manufacturers) guru came out on site monday to see why we're still having problems 18 months after go live and has determined that all the cameras and camera monitor connections are being served by the same network port, which is

That's epic

1:59 PM

that wasn't the word I used when I read their report, oddly enough

how big a campus?