The Comms Room

Skyhawk

09:02

The presence of Ferengi would go a long way toward explaining the "Resort Fee" bullshit.

pauska

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A: Christmas Hats 2013 Edition!

haha

Oliver Salzburg

09:17

@Wesley Cool, thanks :D

pauska

@Wesley happy?!

not sure why the pic isn't updating..

it updated on the site, but not here in chat

Dan

Morning

Had to take the day off ill :(

Journeyman Geek

lol

@pauska: aggressive caching I guess

pauska

@Dan awwwwww

Jenny D

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Q: Serverfault poisonous atmosphere

I have found that serverfault mods to be unnecessarily administrating the closing of questions. If you look at my history of questions, I have 700 points on stackoverflow, almost exclusively accumulated by asking questions. It is my experience that the environment of serverfault is unlike any...

discussion

Dan

09:26

@pauska I was going to WFH but couldn't face being tied to the PC all day. So, I'm going to finally go through my collection of old HDD's and backup/destroy as required

Jenny D

would it be mean to VTC?

Dan

@JennyD Haha, I was so tempted. But yes - downvote instead!

Jenny D

@Dan Bah, he already removed it

Dan

Damnit, he did

tombull89

aww y removed so quick

Jenny D

09:28

@tombull89 I looked at the few questions he'd asked. they were indeed crappy.

faker

I just commented on it :$

Chopper3

@JennyD wow, just reading that metachrome's whine - what a little bitch

pauska

"whitelist me" SURE

"My questions are super important, and I'm a professional. Answer them!"

Journeyman Geek

I have over 50K rep on SU... I've asked under a hundred questions. However if I ask a bad question, I expect to be told ;p

Chopper3

Oh and can I just point out that that moaning little prick's questions had had zero input from me - thus proving that this site is horrid on it's own without my input and I'm not a total monster :)

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Jenny D

09:35

@Chopper3 Nah, it just proves you've infected everyone else.

Dan

You are, but we love you for it

Iain

@JennyD I was writing an answer to that when it got deleted :(

The OP wouldn't have liked the answer ... but hey

Journeyman Geek

@Iain: maybe OP realised the folly of his... wait, who are we kidding...

Jenny D

@JourneymanGeek More likely he realised we are all big meanies and it's no use trying to make us understand the greatness of his questions

Chopper3

@JennyD there is that yes

RobM

09:38

well someone is all upset that we don't agree that they're a special snowflake this morning, huh

Journeyman Geek

oh, so he'll ask on MSO instead? ;p

Jenny D

@JourneymanGeek Probably

Dan

I just plugged in an IDE hard drive - can't remember the last time I did that!

tombull89

Has he asked a new question?

RobM

I'm willing to accept that we don't always get things right on this site but going on one of this guy's questions I've just read, they seem willing to spend about 10 times more effort arguing about why they shouldn't have to clarify a question than it would have taken to just clarify the question. That just screams "dickhead" to me.

IDE? Isn't that coal-powered?

Journeyman Geek

09:40

@Dan: Oh god, the jumpers. THE JUMPERS.

tombull89

@JourneymanGeek also known as "do you feel lucky, punk?"

Dan

@RobM I had to drive to my dads over the weekend just to get a USB->IDE converter because I don't own a single piece of equipment that would read it!

Journeyman Geek

@tombull89: I have problems with jumpers. I have fat fingers ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I have problems with jumpers: they're always missing.

RobM

bloody hell @dan. just hope its worth it! Did you find a drive full of bitcoins at a rubbish dump or something?

Jenny D

09:42

@JourneymanGeek That's what the leatherman is for

Journeyman Geek

(or of you ask root access, I'm a dog. In this case, same difference)

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Dan

@JourneymanGeek In some ways, though - I do miss those days of setting up a PC. You really can't go wrong nowadays - no more floppy drive light being stuck on (Go on - what causes that!) etc

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: I have spares ;p

@JennyD: I steal my mom's broadnosed tweasers

Chopper3

I loved how that guy ended his rant with 'look at someone's history before jumping on them to see if they're a professional' - he has fuck.all.rep across SE, fuck all

tombull89

Starpocalypse of December 2013

12 hours ago, 22 minutes total – 110 messages, 14 users, 68 stars

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Dan

09:43

@RobM No - I have an entire box full of drives from upgrades and a variety of thefts over the years. It's been driving me mad so I thought I'd sort them

tombull89

that was entertaining last night ^^

RobM

his rep is now that of an awful horrific dick-tip...

Bob

@Dan Heh, I've got a funny (non-bootable) flash drive that causes boot to fail... just like the floppies!

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: ooh, I have a SU question on that ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Oh, those go missing too

Dan

09:44

@Bob It's definitely non bootable, then!

Journeyman Geek

(in the end, I solved it by trading drives with dad)

Bob

there's some alternate dimension they go to, right across from all the socks

Iain

@Bob and Biros

RobM

Oh I do like obscure network card faults

Dan

@Iain I'll confess, I'm the guy who steals peoples pens

Argh, why does Robocopy default to a billion retries - I always forget that flag

Iain

09:49

I can't hold a pen/pencil for any length of time now

Dan

:(

@RobM Is this one of those that breaks other things on the network? We had a PC like that - we called it Stargate: Destroyer of Networks

Journeyman Geek

@Iain: lack of practice or hand problems?

@Bob: I just have a keyring of USB drives ;p

Iain

@JourneymanGeek lack of practice

Journeyman Geek

ahh figures

(but then again, I use a old school fountain pen in class ;p)

and paper when trying to beat something into working

Bob

@JourneymanGeek <insert joke about dogs and rolled up newspapers>

Journeyman Geek

09:52

;p

RobM

@dan not that bad. It's the remote working desktop server the principal and other management types all like to be dialled into and it's just decided that its not going to map network resources properly and start doing random hardware related bluescreens that trace back to the network card. fun!

Dan

:(

pauska

@RobM remember the days of 3com cards with identical MAC address?

I loved troubleshooting those.. especially since no-one had managed access switches back then

Journeyman Geek

o0

Iain

It's a bit windy out there

Dan

10:01

@pauska It's crazy to think that my first ever place had hundreds of PC's on hubs

Journeyman Geek

@Dan: I do believe there's a place like that. Its called Hell.

Dan

Or 2003/4 :)

Journeyman Geek

@Dan: or that

Nezam

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Q: FusionPBX External Sip Profile Conf INVALID

I was having the exact same problem as this guy.I followed the answer but that gives me INVALID Profile I have only tried to configure external.xml file to my External IP.But everytime i reloadxml it tells me my sip profile conf is invalid What i tried: Made sure that the ports are not blocke...

pbx freepbx freeswitch

Iain

10:17

@Nezam please don't do that, it's really rather irritating. Your question will get more eyes on the front page

RobM

10:34

@pauska oh yes. :-(

Found our fault though

heatsink let go on chip near the pci-e riser

Bob

o.O

how on earth does that happen?

RobM

good question, it's been in a rack for years, not like its been moved lately or anything. solder or glue or whatever was keeping that white clip in place must have cracked/worn I guess

Journeyman Geek

10:54

o0

traces arn't supposed to come out like that

RobM

no

Journeyman Geek

oh, thats not a trace. That makes it slightly less horrific.

RobM

still not right though

Journeyman Geek

oh, certainly not

RobM

especially as I think the tension the loose arm was under means it came out violently and might have impacted a circuit board trace on the pci-e riser card, causing the network card errors we were seeing with cards on the riser.

Still, I'll let the hardware warranty people worry about that.

Journeyman Geek

11:06

yeah

Stack Exchange

11:30

The Nubby Admin: Solving WordPress Asking for FTP Credentials When Installing Plugins or Themes

posted on December 05, 2013 by Wesley David

Once in a while you’ll meet up with a WordPress install that requires you to put your FTP username and password in to install/update plugins and themes. The most common suggestions are to look at file permissions, specifically tweak your upload directory or some such thing. I’ve found that most times that doesn’t alleviate the problem. The best-effort method that I’ve f…

Lucas Kauffman

11:44

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Q: Replacing faulty fan on CPU heatsink, minimum recommended air displacement

I woke up this morning with a broken fan on my CPU. The heatsink itself is a scythe Kabuto. The fan can be replaced quite easily at is a standard 120 mm fan. Now I'm not seeking for specific information in regard to what fan I should buy specifically, I'm seeking to know: recommended minimum ai...

cpu fan cooling

tombull89

@LucasKauffman have a look at uk.pcpartpicker.com/parts/cpu-cooler and sort by rating

pauska

I have a scythe ninja in my home PC, and it runs at a very low rpm.. more than enough to cool down my OC'ed i920

tombull89

oh they dont say about airflow

Journeyman Geek

ooh

this might take some research ;)

Lucas Kauffman

ah here's the catch, I just need a fan without a heat sink

:p

Journeyman Geek

11:47

You also need to look at static pressure ;p

@LucasKauffman: would noise be a concern?

and yeah, they sell those

tombull89

a 120mm fan...hmm

Lucas Kauffman

@JourneymanGeek I don't my girlfriend does unfortunately :p

I was thinking Noctua, Antec or Scythe, but I don't know what my air displacement should be

Peter Grace

@voretaq7 regarding flag on serverfault.com/questions/559028/postgres-8-4-stopped-working I'll let you decide on this but maybe throw this guy a bone and edit your lecture piece to be less inflammatory as a gesture of goodwill?

Journeyman Geek

noctua tends to be the best option, silencewise

pauska

Noctua NF-F12 PWM

Peter Grace

11:48

Also, hallo everyone, long time no chat :)

pauska

is the lowest dB rated I can find

ahoy peter

tombull89

@Wesley we need a santa hat for @PeterGrace over here

Lucas Kauffman

@PeterGrace ah my dear Peter, how are you sir?

Peter Grace

@Lucas I am doing quite well, thanks -- I'm in London building out our new office space and hit a snag so now I'm sitting here trying to keep myself busy

Lucas Kauffman

@PeterGrace you be in London :O?

tombull89

11:50

moar offices?

Peter Grace

figured the moderator queue could use some help since we were chatting internally about stackoverflow's ridiculously high moderator queue

Yep, new office space at Old Street

Lucas Kauffman

@PeterGrace y u no host office in Belgium?

pauska

@LucasKauffman noctua.at/…

Lucas Kauffman

@pauska think NF-F12 PWM

Peter Grace

I'm diabetic, I'd kill myself on pomme frites

tombull89

11:50

London is all sales though, isn't it?

pauska

@LucasKauffman ?

Journeyman Geek

@LucasKauffman: anecdotally, noctuas are great fans

Lucas Kauffman

@pauska Noctua fan :p

pauska

@LucasKauffman yes?

Peter Grace

@tombull89 out of necessity mostly, now that we've got a lot of space we can fit some devs in if we need to.

Lucas Kauffman

11:51

@pauska I'LL TAKE IT

pauska

@LucasKauffman great

Journeyman Geek

and I think I have the high static air pressure varient of it

Peter Grace

we have two devs in London locally, they just work remotely

Journeyman Geek

which might be a better choice on a heatsink

Lucas Kauffman

@PeterGrace What does SE sell btw?

tombull89

11:51

Careers and adspace.

Lucas Kauffman

interesting

Peter Grace

@LucasKauffman YOUR SOUL

tombull89

Hell you can buy mine from me if you want?

Lucas Kauffman

@PeterGrace I KNEW IT, EVAN C was right, you guys are the baddies!

tombull89

ooh what stage it the webapps election at?

Peter Grace

11:53

elections.stackexchange.com/#webapps.stackexchange

hah, I wonder what we'd do if Evan actually got elected

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tombull89

Does he know that Jeff doesn't "work" for SE any more

@PeterGrace let's not go there

Lucas Kauffman

@tombull89 no who does he work for?

Peter Grace

Jeff went and formed discourse.org

pauska

I wonder if I should do 10 virtual NIC's on my virtual load balancers, or just use two nics with lots of subnets on each...

Peter Grace

as did one of our devs and I think @MikeyB is their sysadmin now

pauska

11:56

Ah yes, Sam. He's a good coder.

tombull89

@LucasKauffman Well he's still on the board as far as I know, now as he's nailed Q&A sites he's tacking forums.

Peter Grace

yeah, sam's good people. I got a chance to hang out with him a couple times when he was in the states

discourse is really nice too, I run it for my minecraft server.

lunch, back in a bit

tombull89

I'll probably use it when I get my Just Cause 2 Multiplayer server up and running.

Journeyman Geek

@LucasKauffman: I was going to offer a bounty on your question but I answered it instead ;p

Dan

I think my LinedIn profile is starting to look useful - exciting

@pauska For simplicity, and seeing as it's virtual - I think I'd go 10 vnic

Seems like it'll be eaiser to narrow down problems in the future

Presuming 1 vNIC = 1 VLAN

You know - the more I thin kabout it, the more angry I am about the Technet killing

tombull89

12:11

@Dan Yeah, I know. What alternatives are there now?

Dan

@tombull89 From what I gather, expensive MSDN or 30 day trials.

Trials are okay and all, but I use the base of my labs (DC's etc) for longer than 30 days

pauska

@Dan Yeah, that's the plan

It's one big VLAN today with multiple subnets

tombull89

Same, 30 day trials isn't enough for the home lab.

pauska

@Dan the killing of technet only hurts people like you (one-man shops)

I got MSDN via work, but I'm not sure if I could afford it if I was a single consultant shop

Dan

@pauska Indeed - to say I've been spoilt by MSDN Premium is an understatement

But at £5k a year........

pauska

12:15

You don't need premium though

platforms is enough, if you can survive with office on a trial install

Dan

"MSDN Operating Systems" gets me some of the way, but Premium is the minimum to get everything

Platforms is for volume licensing only - unless maybe I can just call them up?

pauska

yeah call a partner

You're going to need a licensing partner anyways..

Dan

That maybe the answer - any ideas on cost?

pauska

No idea, I have Pro

Dan

@pauska Shouldn't do - I won't be selling software. In theory, I shouldn't really need MSDN at all for work, but I'll need it for my own development

pauska

12:17

since our developers need visual studio

Dan

And it's nice to be able to get your own ISO of exactly what you need

pauska

@Dan Exactly, you won't be selling software so you need a Microsoft partner to ally up with

Dan

@pauska Forgive me, I'm not quite with you - what for?

pauska

or are you going to tell your future customers to "sod off" when they ask you to install exchange without having licenses?

Dan

@pauska It'll generally be for the customer to source - that's pretty standard, contractors don't deal with that stuff

pauska

12:19

a business partner to do all sorts of software sales/licensing for future customers who doesn't have a partner

Dan

Hmm, I see what you're saying. Shouldnt' need to, in theory - but yes, it may have advantages.

pauska

I'm not with you on that one.. every single consulting gig I've done they expect you to at least put them in contact with someone who knows licensing

unless you're going all enterprise.. those shops have licensing in order

SMB never does :P

Dan

That's an interesting point - and highlights an irritating gap in my work experience. I've never worked with SMB's....

Nathan C

There's less than um...legal ways of obtaining previously technet-only software <.< >.>

Dan

@NathanC Oh yeah - and I don't have any moral objections, but it's so so nice to be able to log on to MSDN and get it legit, with serials and no viruses!

Nathan C

12:25

that's true.

Dan

@pauska Just called a reseller I know- let's see

@NathanC Plus i have a reasonable collection of ISO's as it is

pauska

Piracy and non-licensed usage is why they killed technet in the first place

Nathan C

True, although it'd happen regardless.

Dan

Can't see what it's going to gain - I doubt it cost them a huge amount to manage (Or, if it did, they should have just tacked it onto MSDN properly) and the pirates will crack on anyway

mossy

Good morning.

Nathan C

12:34

I don't get how M$ justifies the price tags they do

Dan

And it makes life hard for people like me who, while I'm not exactly whiter than white at home, do take licensing seriously at work

Mind you - at least one of my customers is sat in the RDS eval period because the PM still hasn't sorted them out. Ho hum

cole

13:05

sup @mossy

Scott Pack

Did @PeterGrace just say he was eating lunch at 7 in the morning? No wonder Bart never shows up here anymore, they're freaking slave drivers.

RobM

just been doing a "talk from the real world" kinda session for our IT students. You wouldn't believe how many students think that a college like this switches off all its servers at the end of the day...

cole

@RobM seriously?

Bob

@Dan yea, but MSDN (and TechNet) licences are fairly restrictive, aren't they?

RobM

yes, seriously. I know @cole, I know...

cole

13:12

I....no words.

Bob

MSDN => development only, TechNet => evaluation only? Not that anyone ever follows those terms...

RobM

well even ms themselves said "just use MSDN" when they talked about killing technet and people said "what about eval/testing"

Bob

heh

Peter Grace

@ScottPack London.

pauska

Yeah, MSDN is also for testing now

mossy

13:15

@cole Not much. Getting ready for the day :|

How have you been?

Peter Grace

Old Street Roundabout

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lots of tech companies here, they call it Silicon Roundabout

Scott Pack

@PeterGrace Couldn't you have gone there when the sun actually comes up over the horizon?

Bob

@pauska huh, did they change that? I haven't kept up in the last year

Peter Grace

@ScottPack Heh, lease acquisition date is not my department. They just say "yo dawg, buy equipment for a new office and be ready to go out to set it up"

cole

@mossy pretty good

pauska

13:28

@Bob yep

(after killing technet sub)

Nathan C

One more reason to get rid of XP...kernel-mode exploit: exploit-db.com/exploits/30014

cole

I need to pull an @ewwhite and find my own clients but in manufacturing.

Scott Pack

@PeterGrace So this is a new office?

@NathanC Yeah...cuz that's the reason

Nathan C

@ScottPack Well, one more reason. =P

Peter Grace

@ScottPack Yup, moving from south side of the thames up to the north side

Scott Pack

13:39

@PeterGrace So you're moving on up, to the north side?

sigh I was just asked, "Regarding ticket ####. Do you want what you requested or something entirely different."

cole

O_O

Mathias R. Jessen

@ScottPack Don't be a hater, I ask my customers questions like that all the time ... mostly because they clearly have no idea what they're asking for

RobM

Yeah we've all dealt with users and managers who complain because we gave them what they asked for instead of what they meant to ask for. sigh

tombull89

"Do you want me to do what want you want or what you need because they are very different things.

RobM

yup

Jenny D

13:51

@MathiasR.Jessen We're all some one else's lusers...

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Scott Pack

@MathiasR.Jessen Yeah...this is a workflow where typically my team is the approval and analysis phase and this time it just happened that I was putting in the request.

Mathias R. Jessen

@JennyD exactly... I think it's healthy to be reminded of that once in a while ;)

Jenny D

Bank just approved our loan to buy the house. Shit is getting real!

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cole

@JennyD YAY!!!!!!

plasmid87

@jennyd congrats!

Scott Pack

13:53

@JennyD 3/4 the way there!

Jenny D

Thanks! Just one hurdle left to go; having an inspection by someone licensed to check for hidden problems... Should get that done next week, we hope

Scott Pack

@JennyD So now it's just down to signing the paperwork?

Jenny D

@ScottPack We're signing it on Sunday, with a contingency to revoke if the inspection turns up something we're not comfortable buying.

Scott Pack

@JennyD Oh weird, here we do inspections prior to final approval.

@JennyD Primarily because there's expected to be additional negotiations after the inspections.

Jenny D

@ScottPack That happens here, too, but the inspection does cost some so most people don't want to pay for an inspection and then have the seller sell to someone else. It's always the buyer that pays for the inspection.

cole

13:58

The new A Day To Remember album = ++++++++++

Scott Pack

@JennyD Same here, but most people wouldn't be willing to buy something without doing the inspections.

Jenny D

@ScottPack If the inspection turns up with something that will cost us to fix and that we weren't told about, we can either reject the whole deal or we can discuss lowering the price to pay for those repairs. So we haven't actually bought it before inspection.

We just have the paperwork saying that provided the inspection turns out OK we will buy it for the price agreed, and they won't sell it to anybody else.

Scott Pack

@JennyD Case in point, when we bought this house after the inspection we kept the price the same but demanded they have 3,000USD worth of remediations done.

Starpocalypse of December 2013

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