The Comms Room

Dan

10:01

Organising a bike ride out with a guy I've not seen in..........at least 10 years (Just worked that for this message, crikey!)

Jenny D

@tombull89 Apparently one of the horses at our stables (my horse's mother, in fact) is convinced that ducks are Evil and will attack her.

She's a very sensible horse.

Iain

@JennyD sensible is a relative term in respect of horses

it depends on how much comedic value they can get out of the situation

Jenny D

@Iain Indeed. On Monday my horse completely freaked out at what my co-owner called "sabre-toothed pony monsters sneaking up on him". Yesterday we walked about 30 feet from a running tractor and he didn't bat an eyelid.

@Iain And all their comedy is slapstick...

One of the horse bloggers I read got a pulse meter for her horse. The horse is now extremely upset that suddenly his rider knows whether he's actually freaked or just having fun, and he can't figure out how she knows...

So the pulse meter is now called "fnorkometer", since "fnork" is the sound a horse makes when it decides to freak out a little.

Iain

:)

Dan

10:25

I'm trying to find someone to paint me a picture (literally) and it's far easier said than done :(

Jenny D

@Dan I have some artist friends, but I don't think you'd want to pay their travel to the UK...

Dan

@JennyD Do you not have postal services in your country? ;)

Jenny D

@Dan For some reason I assumed you were thinking of a portrait or something. I could definitely forward the commission if you want.

Dan

@JennyD My issue is that while I have reference material, I have no complete picture of the scene I want painted. So I'm after someone who is skilled enough to, basically, make it up as they see fit but with the elements that I want. It's dorky as hell, but I'm basically after a nice sunet beach scene with a VW Beetle and Campervan and two silhouetted figures to represent Jane and I. Ideally a wedding present if I can fit it in in time, but that's only 7 weeks, so not the be all

(We met at a VW club, hence the relevance)

The concept is pretty generic, but I want it to be our cars on there

But to also be high quality

Tom O'Connor

@Dan Have a hunt around on deviantart.net

Jenny D

10:33

@Dan I'll ask my girlfriend. She's sold some paintings though she doesn't make her living as an artist.

Dan

@JennyD Please do, thanks

@TomO'Connor Damn, totally forgot about that place

Jenny D

She is a good painter, she can change styles depending on subject and so on.

tombull89

@Dan reddit.com/r/picrequests :P

Dan

@tombull89 Good one...!

Tom O'Connor

@tombull89 Paging shitty_watercolor

tombull89

10:35

If you could get shitty_watercolor to do it I would be seriously impressed.

His style reminds me of the "Quentin Blake" pictures in Roahld Dahl's books.

Tom O'Connor

@tombull89 Yeah. I've wondered if it is Quentin Blake

Dan

Uhm (NSFW): etsy.com/uk/listing/152853751/…

tombull89

@TomO'Connor He's 80, so I doubt it.

Tom O'Connor

@tombull89 Oldest redditor ever.

Dan

NSFW again, is it me or as (s)he managed to make these look like 12 year olds:
http://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/50024645/custom-intimate-portrait-for-someone?ref=sr_gallery_12&ga_search_query=custom+painting&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_ship_to=GB&ga_page=5&ga_order=price_desc&ga_search_type=all&ga_facet=custom+painting

`Artist requires one clear photograph or jpeg to work from.`

I'll fucking bet you do, pervert.

Lucas Kauffman

10:39

@Dan jup

Tom O'Connor

@Dan hah. There's a covert channel if ever I saw one.

Dan

@TomO'Connor I'm just about to set up "Dan's 'intimate' paintings". Guys, drop me high res images of your naked lovers and I'll paint them in all their glory

3

tombull89

@Dan SEND ME UR NEKKID PICS

Tom O'Connor

@Dan I don't think you'd want pics of my naked lovers.

Dan

@TomO'Connor I'm not homophobic, I just won't crack one off over those ones.

Tom O'Connor

10:45

@Dan I know, I just don't think Jane would be happy if she saw you were hoarding pics of naked men.

Penises are way prettier than minges, though.

2

Dan

@TomO'Connor She'd probably be even less happy with the pics of naked women

@TomO'Connor Yeah, no.

Tom O'Connor

@Dan Seriously? One sticks out and is harmless, the other is like a dark cavern filled with teeth and blood.

Dan

@TomO'Connor I'm, uh, not sure if you understand how it works

Tom O'Connor

@Dan Only what i've read on reddit.

Dan

@TomO'Connor Well, there's your problem. Drawing a face on your fleshlight doesn't make it a woman

Tom O'Connor

10:48

Someone once described it like a tin of peaches.

s/fleshlight/sock/g

Dan

@TomO'Connor Well, I've never used a tin of peaches in that way so it's hard to compare

Tom O'Connor

YAY MEETINGS!(*!)

tombull89

@Dan well that would be better than the crisp packet and elastic band that we were told about during sex ed shudder

Dan

@tombull89 What

tombull89

Yes, they had a list of things not to use which also included cling film.

Dan

10:55

Nah, you need kitchen foil really

tombull89

@Dan I think that would be worse than a crisp packet...unless it was a salt and vinegar crisp packet.

Dan

@tombull89 Ouch

RobM

obligatory-sock-comment

Nathan C

11:30

Morning all.

Travis

Never a good sign when you see a - in front of your $...

Nathan C

Nope. :P

Travis

Especially when your stock went from $4.25 a share to $1.04

Now the question is, do I take the extreme loss and get out of it....wait it out and hope I break even....or buy buy buy!

Cole

Sup dudes

Nathan C

Yo.

So remember how I finally got the migration done? Well...apparently it did the restore but nuked everyone's email from the 10th to the 16th

So now I have to manually open the backup and copy emails over -_-

ewwhite

11:49

i missed 66,666 points!!

Cole

@NathanC doh.

Jenny D

@ewwhite Time to go downvote some answers?

Cole

I'm still home, going to get my haircut at 8 then go to work

Jenny D

hey cole

Cole

hey @JennyD!

It's already hot as balls here

Jenny D

11:54

@Cole what kind of balls? I mean, hot as snowballs would be pretty not hot...

On the other hand, Indian meatballs are pretty darn hot. SO.

I think I think too much.

Cole

hahaha

Nathan C

Yesterday I was down in Mass. I wasn't driving, but it was still 90+ out. With no A/C. :(

Cole

Ew where in MA?

Nathan C

And, dat boston traffic.

Cole

yeah shit is cray

Nathan C

12:00

West Roxbury, so a bit past boston.

Cole

Glad I'm not commuting to Waltham anymore

ok bbiab time to get my hair cut

Nathan C

I swear we were going <10 mph for a good hour

Cole

Just one hair though

Nathan C

enjoy :P

Travis

12:12

What do you think a firefighter in San Francisco might make salary wise?

Ansis Malins

It's been 9 years since the debut of Gmail and still there don't seem to be any FOSS webmails trying to emulate that UI. Whyyyyy??

jscott

@AnsisMalins We use Google Apps internally, I don't find the web UI to be particularly great.

Travis

I prefer Gmail over Yahoo

Ansis Malins

Look at this shit! Just look at this shit!! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sqmailscreenshot.png

Iain

@AnsisMalins how should we know ?

jscott

12:24

@Travis Um, no kidding? :)

Travis

@jscott And hotmail

jscott

@Travis Outlook.com surely.

Ansis Malins

Why is it still the 90s for most webmail?

jscott

@AnsisMalins Because most everyone outside of IT reads their mail on their mobile now.

Or Facebook.

Ansis Malins

You mean on their Gmail app.

Or their FB app.

Jenny D

12:26

@jscott Huh. I still use Gnus. On Emacs.

Nathan C

Or Outlook.

Jenny D

But then I'm inside of IT, so that doesn't really contradict anything. Carry on.

tombull89

Here, each member of staff has their own Facebook account for work and uses Facebook email. lol j/k no way

Travis

@tombull89 People here do that....

They use their work email to sign up for facebook and every groupon site known to man

Ansis Malins

So, how do I get off Google/NSA's wild ride? Hosting my own email means travelling back in time in terms of usability.

ewwhite

12:31

@AnsisMalins I run my own single-user Exchange server.

Travis

and won't get you off of the wild ride....unless of course you just like e-mailing yourself

ewwhite

@Travis $80k-$100k

Iain

can anyone else upload an image ?

Ansis Malins

Well, if my webmail has decent UI, I can convince other people to use it.

ewwhite

imgur is down

Ansis Malins

12:32

But it looks like I have no chance against Google.

Nathan C

@ewwhite Noooooo

Iain

@ewwhite thanks

Nathan C

Now I'll actually have to get work done

ewwhite

display is fine... but uploading is broken!

let me try to post a pic for @Iain

Iain

@ewwhite I have one to post for you

ewwhite

12:33

Travis

@ewwhite Good guess. mid $80k. battalion chiefs are $101. Dispatchers are about $98k. I thought that was high but maybe because it's Cali?

MDMarra

@AnsisMalins client-side encryption. Use PGP for email.

Travis

@ewwhite Get ur firmware upgraded?

@Iain Yes

ewwhite

@Travis One of the top bike racers and former Olympian was a full-time firefighter in the Cali central coast...

@Travis yes, fully updated

Travis

@ewwhite So I guess he made alot of money than?

ewwhite

12:37

that's not a lot of money

Travis

It is for my state

ewwhite

@Travis In California, that's just enough to live on skid row...

Travis

@ewwhite That's what I was figuring. I know when I visited on business I noticed how high COL was

Jacob

@ewwhite You going to get @Miles to climb up your broken turbine?

Olipro

I'm going to assume that's an innuendo

it's funnier that way

Jacob

12:44

@Olipro Nope, that's completely serious

Olipro

shhhh

Jacob

18 hours ago, by ewwhite

Ahem, so as I was saying... My engineering problem is that a device seems to have lost its IP address.

18 hours ago, by ewwhite

@MilesErickson @DennisKaarsemaker This device...

18 hours ago, by ewwhite

@DennisKaarsemaker When I was installing it, I can't remember where I plugged the power in...

Olipro

oh lawdy lawd

Jacob

18 hours ago, by Miles Erickson

@ewwhite I'd love to climb your turbine. Just let me know. In the meantime, I'm off for a bit. Cheers.

ewwhite

0

Q: Just how long does it take for an tooth extraction to cure?

I had to possess two of my teeth 14 and 15 removed cause they were dead, and was questioning how long does-it consider for-an extraction site to treat last week?

windows-server-2008-r2

Jacob

12:48

18 hours ago, by ewwhite

@Jacob yes, support is suggesting that I climb into the top of the wind turbine and reprogram its IP configuration.

Travis

Wow....

who would have thought...a wind turbine with an IP address. No wonder we need IPv6

pretty soon my cat won't be able to move throughout the house without spam coming to its butt....its real butt...

tombull89

What happens what a question doesn't meet the "off-topic" criteria?

Can you flag without comment?

Jacob

@tombull89 You use the last option to write why

See my comment :)

tombull89

And why the fook is that gonna be on hold for a week? It's like so people can gape at the freakshow.

Jacob

@tombull89 flagged

Travis

12:51

is there a way to connect to your internal SSL VPN from inside your own network...I'm needing to install the client and that appears to be the only way to get it

maybe put it through a proxy?

TheCleaner

'They'll be refunded to you..' isnt so, as suspected! — Christian 6 hours ago

I thought a bounty that went unanswered was refunded? No?

I thought it had to get at least 2 upvotes

Ansis Malins

There's still hope - a gmail skin for roundcube github.com/lamoanh/gmail_skin

TheCleaner

BTW, I really like this concept, but have no practical use for it myself. IFTTT (IF This Then That) ifttt.com

Jacob

@TheCleaner nope

jscott

220

Q: How does the bounty system work?

What is a bounty? What is the "Featured" tab on the homepage? How can I search for questions that have a bounty attached? How do I start a bounty? When can I start a bounty? How long is the bounty period? How do I award a bounty? Can I award a bounty to my own answer? Can I award a bounty to an ...

support faq bounty

TheCleaner

12:54

yeah I see the big bold in the Help section now: All bounties are paid for up front and non-refundable under any circumstances.

time to apologize to the OP

jscott

@TheCleaner Or bounty his Q, have him post an A and then you award it to him? :)

TheCleaner

hah

Olipro

http://serverfault.com/questions/518712/just-how-long-does-it-take-for-an-tooth-extraction-to-cure
Wut?

Jacob

TheCleaner

@Olipro He's asking because he wants to be sure he can work on pro sysadmin stuff.

Jacob

12:58

@Travis I can access the VPN Server while on the VPN.

You use OpenVPN?

TheCleaner

@TheCleaner Yes, that's possible. But it will really help if i can "see" all the PCs (and NAS) in the client's workgroup. — spelltox 5 hours ago

People really do still use "Network Neighborhood" features huh?

Scott Pack

@Olipro Fascinating.

Olipro

@ScottPack Yeah, I think someone was still on the NOx

Scott Pack

@TheCleaner I was just thinking about the network at my alma matar yesterday. There were two broadcast domains. One for the academic buildings and one for the dorms.

Mathias R. Jessen

@Olipro "put on hold"? How in the world would that question be reworded to fit SF as on-topic? :P

Scott Pack

12:59

NetworkNeighborhood was awfully exciting to open.

Olipro

@MathiasR.Jessen heh, see the stackexchange blog, it's a new thing

Nathan C

@Travis Proxy is probably the only way.

Travis

@Jacob Dell NetExtender

TheCleaner

@ScottPack Cisco, Juniper, and others would have you believe that's the future of networking...again.

Travis

@Jacob I need to connect to the VPN from inside the network that is being VPN'ed too. I got the client downloaded through from my home computer so no biggie

My outside folks are just glad we have VPN now

Scott Pack

13:01

@MathiasR.Jessen What is the necessary healing time, after extraction, before I can resume using my teeth to open patch cable packaging?

Olipro

"I need to connect to the VPN from inside the network that is being VPN'ed too" lolwut?

sounds like what you need son, is a route

Travis

@Olipro Testing :)

Basil

morning

Travis

mornin

Olipro

well, you could establish another tunnel using the VPN server tunnel IP

providing the VPN server is also listening on that address

Travis

13:02

screw it...give me an excuse to go to starbucks :)

Mathias R. Jessen

@ScottPack That question just became extremely relevant

Olipro

or, if you're using linux, you could utilise a network namespace

Travis

it's not

TheCleaner

You should be able to if the SSL VPN is listening on the internal IF as well, and it is assigning IPs on a different VLAN/subnet than what you are currently on. Used to do it all the time with a Juniper SA box to verify it was operational when people said "the VPN is down" even though all signs on the box said it wasn't.

Travis

@TheCleaner I'll check it

@TheCleaner Actually it is not assigning different subnet

Scott Pack

13:04

@TheCleaner Let's see. That was a 9k student university, with 7 of them living on campus, but mostly poor and technologically illiterate students. Let's say 500 faculty. So...yeah, not that seems pretty reasonable for an IP broadcast domain. You could easily get buy with each being a /22. I think the /16 was an overkill.

@MathiasR.Jessen You're welcome. :)

Jacob

@ScottPack We get a Public IP to every dorm room :)

Cole

@Basil !!!!!!

tombull89

@Jacob ?!

Michael Hampton

Who wants to tell developers how to do IP address management?

Jacob

@MichaelHampton link?

Michael Hampton

13:10

@MichaelHampton I'm genuinely interested in how you would best come up with an address assignment algorithm. Probably off-topic as an answer for this question (as it deals with augmenting an already existing IPAM database) but would look forward to seeing it as an answer to a brand new question. — Jeremy Visser 1 hour ago

Travis

@MichaelHampton They don't need to know! Get back to coding before I get the bant stick after you!

Jacob

@Travis This +1

Scott Pack

@tombull89 Here we have a /18 that was used solely for dorms and we used to leave them on the public interwebs. Now they're NATed and my job is worlds easier.

Jacob

@tombull89 Yep, I was surprised too

I'm just going to SSL VPN around the campus net anyway

Jenny D

@MichaelHampton How about tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2322 ?

Travis

13:13

@Jacob ??

Jacob

@Travis ???!? How do I answer that?

Michael Hampton

@JennyD God no. They might take that seriously!

Travis

@Jacob Answer what?

Jacob

1 min ago, by Travis

@Jacob ??

Travis

3 mins ago, by Jacob

@Travis This +1

Nathan C

13:15

@MichaelHampton Is he...trying to implement his own DHCP? lol

RobM

There are 5 updates available for Windows 2012 R2 on Windows update. 2012r2 is beta software that was released yesterday Sheesh

Michael Hampton

@NathanC No, he's trying to implement his own IPAM!

RobM

jesus wept

Jacob

@MichaelHampton Developers... I can do it BETTER!!!!! Now, how do IP addresses work?

RobM

^ This

Dan

13:20

@RobM "Phew, Steve - just managed to fix that huge security bug. Thank God I got it in before R2 went out. Oh, right, uh, I see. Well, you may want to add this to Windows Updates then"

Travis

where in a GPO is the setting for local intranet to include all network paths?

on 2008 r2

TheCleaner

@RobM Better than the PSN patch the other day

Nathan C

0

Q: Kerberos auth over site to site vpn with domain trust

I have two sites connected via site to site VPN with Cisco ASAs. Each has its own AD domain (domain1.local and domain2.local) with a one way Forest Trust. Domain2.local trusts domain1.local. Both sites consist of Windows and Linux servers and we would like to allow users from domain1.local to lo...

active-directory cisco-asa kerberos

@MDMarra The horror of .local!

RobM

@TheCleaner fair point

Travis

Nevermind...found it. I drilled too deep

Chris S

13:25

It should be illegal to assign/delegate IPs (v4 or v6) in anything but CIDR blocks.

Matt Simmons

?

You got assigned IPs outside of a CIDR block?

Dan

@ChrisS What do you mean by that?

Matt Simmons

like, /32?

Chris S

@MattSimmons Reading stackoverflow.com/questions/17243254/…

Shaking head a lot

2

Matt Simmons

I suspect a 1:1 IP:User mapping is the Wrong Way(tm)

Dan

13:26

I'm confused, what's this for

MDMarra

@NathanC yup

Michael Hampton

I don't know. At first I thought it was a (bad) homework assignment. But now I'm not so sure. It may very well be an enterprise IPAM...

Dan

Facebook friend posts another quasi-racist post

Last time I "debated" with him, two of his friends told me I kept bullying him on Facebook. Do I call him on it again this time?

Matt Simmons

You could unfriend him.

Michael Hampton

This guy put a web site on his domain controller...

Chris S

13:30

@MichaelHampton I'm thinking hosting provider or similar. =]

Nathan C

@MattSimmons I concur.

Lucas Kauffman

@Dan you should debate!

Matt Simmons

►

relevant

Lucas Kauffman

@MichaelHampton hey without those people I would be out of a job

Michael Hampton

@LucasKauffman If you want to take a crack at answering the question, I'll reopen it.

Dan

13:31

@LucasKauffman I've responded with

Yep, it's all the foreigners fault - nothing to do with overpaid MP's, immoral bankers, tax evasion / avoidance and giving the rich an easier ride while simultaneously attacking the poorest and least well off in society. Ho hum.

Adrian

mornin' gents.

Lucas Kauffman

@MichaelHampton link me

Michael Hampton

0

Q: What steps do you take to secure a windows server

This question is my inspiration i have windows server 2008R2 in my network as DC. also i use this server for hosting our organization website. I want to make it as secure as possible. What I need to Do for securing my windows server?? edit our Website is run locally and we are Use ...

windows-server-2008 security

Chris S

@Dan Copy-n-Paste?

Michael Hampton

Not a native English speaker, apparently. So the question could use a bit of cleanup too.

Dan

13:34

@ChrisS Same old blame everyone who doesn't look like you for your countries issues

(I actually have no idea if the statement is true for that matter, but it doesn't really matter)

Lucas Kauffman

@MichaelHampton nah not worth it, the answer which is on there is good enough for him

@Dan to be honest, I do think that should be enforced

Travis

@dan

Directly challenging Labour Mr Osborne also announced changes to the benefits system including an annual “welfare cap” on the cost of benefits and a seven day delay before jobseekers allowance can be claimed. Together he said this would save the Government around £4 billion a year.

Claimants who do not speak English to be required to attend language courses or face benefit cuts and all job seekers to be required to attend the job centre every week, rather than once a fortnight.

tombull89

@Dan I'm all for a multi-culteral society, but I'd want immigrants to live by UK rules and make an effort to integrate.

Travis

independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/…

Lucas Kauffman

@Dan we have the same policy here, you need to perform a course to learn one of our three official national languages if you want to keep your benefits/stay in the country

Travis

13:36

@tombull89 Want an example? Look at the US....

Lucas Kauffman

and the courses are free!

Dan

@tombull89 Totally, but there's a clear subtext in that image that if you can't speak English you shouldn't be able to claim anything.

Chris S

@Dan Oh, I thought Brits were more progressive than that.

Travis

@tombull89 The US has made every stride to accommodate the illegal immigrants here to the point where they were trying (and may still be) to pass laws that allow all illegals currently living in the US will be granted amnesty and be automatically granted citizenship...

Lucas Kauffman

@Dan Nah, I think they should do the effort to integrate and learn a language. If after a certain period they refuse to learn or integrate (e.g. crime) then I do think they should be kicked out of the country

Dan

13:38

@ChrisS Oh, we're moving RAPIDLY backwards while doing fuck all to y'know, perhaps get companies to pay tax, get the rich to contribute more (In fact, we REDUCED taxes for the rich.) or fix the banking and lending issues

Adrian

@Dan Dear Lord. You can get the driver test in this state in 21 different languages. They're working on adding 8 more Asian dialects.

Chris S

@Dan I don't see any reason companies should pay tax (in the traditional sense), but agree the Rich should at least be paying the same percentage as me. Banking/Trading/Lending/Financial issues will never be fixed, too much money to buy whatever laws they want.

tombull89

@Dan Indeed, blaming immigrants for the UK's problems isn't quite fair. I know of two girls (sisters), one of which I have on facebook, neither of which have worked for a extended period of time, both are single parents, live off benefits and scrounge money off whoever they can to go out on the town.

Dan

Dont' get me wrong, I don't think welfare should be a free for all, but I'm just bored of hearing how the foreigners / asylum seekers / illegals / whatever are "bleeding the country dry" when, in reality, there are far larger issues to sort

It's just soundbiting for the mouthbreathing masses

Lucas Kauffman

@Dan It's definitely not all of them, just a small percentage often, we have the same here in Belgium.

Matt Simmons

13:41

I just wish we would hurry up and discover free energy so we can move past this crap.

Michael Hampton

@MattSimmons We already have very nearly free energy, it's just illegal.

Matt Simmons

Zero-point energy

Zero-point energy, also called quantum vacuum zero-point energy, is the lowest possible energy that a quantum mechanical physical system may have; it is the energy of its ground state. All quantum mechanical systems undergo fluctuations even in their ground state and have an associated zero-point energy, a consequence of their wave-like nature. The uncertainty principle requires every physical system to have a zero-point energy greater than the minimum of its classical potential well. This results in motion even at absolute zero. For example, liquid helium does not freeze under atmospheric ...

tombull89

I'd like to see you have to pay into the system for a couple of months before getting any benfits out of it. BEcause I know a number of people that just live off benefits because it's easier than working. Okay, you don't get paid that much.

Lucas Kauffman

@MattSimmons Nuclear fusion

Dan

@tombull89 But how does that work for an asylum seeker?

Matt Simmons

13:43

@LucasKauffman I'm all in favor of literally throwing stacks of money at energy technology just to see if anything sticks.

Chris S

@MattSimmons Never will - and if energy were free, someone would figure out how to use it to destroy us all, so probably better that it doesn't exist.

tombull89

@Dan Okay

I'd like to see you have to pay into the system for a couple of months before getting any benfits out of it if you're born in the UK

.

Mathias R. Jessen

@LucasKauffman That brings about another interesting question. If certain types of crime should be punishable with banishment from the country you live in, why shouldn't it apply to citizens of that country as well? Why punish differently?

tombull89

If you're claiming asylum then benefits should be given to get them settled, then they should be encouraged to work.

Travis

I really hate a mixed 2003/2008 environment... The file "\\DC\SysVol\dc\Policies\{7E56B901-3AF4-46A4-B996-885D4EB0EBF2}\User\Documents & Settings\fdeploy.ini" is not in a valid format. Details: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.

Chris S

13:45

@MathiasR.Jessen Expelling people is cheap, imprisoning them is expensive. It's not "different" so much as "economical" to make them someone else's problem.

Travis

Works fine on 2008...leave it up to 2003 to just frig it all up!

Dan

@tombull89 Don't entirely disagree - the problem is that, what do you do when someone can't find work? Work houses?

Lucas Kauffman

@MathiasR.Jessen It's about integration in our society, you can come into our society as a foreigner but under the rules that you have to integrate. If you do crime (I'm not talking jaywalking or parking wrongly, but for instance theft or mugging) then you should be convicted and pushed out of the country and send back to your country of origin as you have failed to show willingness to integrate

Jacob

@MattSimmons How are you?

tombull89

@Dan I'm of the opinion there's always jobs. Okay, it might not be well-paying or what you want to do, but there's jobs out there.

Matt Simmons

13:47

@Jacob I'm doing well, thanks. How've you been?

Jacob

Of course when I go do some real work you guys have the conversation about ZP energy

@MattSimmons Good, still got that HDD :P. Oh and I decided to go to college. wvutech.edu

Dan

@tombull89 That's genuinely untrue, and not all jobs pay a wage that you can live

Lucas Kauffman

@MathiasR.Jessen Now you can apply that to criminals indigenous to the country enforcing the rule, but they'd be send back to their country of origin... which is the same country they are staying now

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Standalone Sysadmin: SysAdmin Network is now under new management: Wes & Friends!

posted on June 26, 2013 by Matt Simmons

I've mentioned The SysAdmin Network a few times before, but this Ning-powered social network was, until very recently, run by Red-Gate (with whom I had a column a while back). Just yesterday, I got this in my email: Dear Networkers, Earlier this year Red Gate put out the call to see if anyone was interested [...]

Dan

If you're on benefits, you take a 0 contract hours job with Tesco. You then lose your benefits - Tesco then stop giving you hours and it takes you 2 weeks to sort your shit out again. People get stuck

tombull89

13:49

Granted, no system is flawless.

Chris S

@tombull89 Might be true - but many employers don't want to hire someone overqualified as you'll leave the instant you have the opportunity for a job you are qualified for.

Dan

It's not that I don't think stuff needs fixing or changing, I'm just sick of the focus on benefits when the stats prove there are far bigger issues

Chris S

@Dan It's a very similar problem here - just annoying that the answer seems completely obvious

Matt Simmons

@Jacob That's a really pretty area, and honestly, a lot of the young guys in WV are really technical. I don't know if you'll end up meeting them, but there's so little to do that the ones who go into computers REALLY go into computers.

Chris S

@Dan In related news, my brother-in-law argued that there should be drug tests for people on benefits, as he knows of several who collect the check and use it for weed. I'm fine with this, as the weed costs much less than any other socially acceptable solutions I've heard.

Jacob

13:52

@MattSimmons I could have gone to VT, but I like 2K students vs 20K better.

Dan

@ChrisS I always love the shock that people who are on the bottom of the pile and openly hated by society may turn to substance abuse

Lucas Kauffman

@ChrisS If weed is legal, why shouldn't they be allowed to use it? I mean are you going to forbid them to have a drink too?

Matt Simmons

@Jacob How is their program?

Jacob

@MattSimmons IS is Newish, but compsci and EE are top rated and have been around

Chris S

@LucasKauffman It's illegal here - mostly

Matt Simmons

13:53

@Jacob What are you focusing on?

Jacob

@MattSimmons Info systems

Cole

Pretty bummed about the Sys Admin Network - I had been in talks with someone from Red Gate about coming on board and never heard a word after.

Lucas Kauffman

@ChrisS sure why not then

Chopper3

I'm in a bad mood (too much medical prodding) so I'm going to avoid the main site today I think

Cole

@Chopper3 :(

Lucas Kauffman

13:55

@Chopper3 Pwning noobs can be a form of relaxtion

Chris S

@LucasKauffman His argument is that you're funding illegal activity, socially undesirably behavior, and promoting the notion of living-off society instead of participating in it. Which, if you could just say "no more weed" and turn those people into productive citizens, then sure, sounds good to me. But that's not reality, those people will figure out other ways of not contributing to society, usually very costly ways.

Matt Simmons

@Jacob Groovy :) I'm interested to hear what you think of it

@Cole What do you mean? They basically handed over the community to the people who were most active, as I understand it

@Chopper3 I haven't talked to you forever, man. How are things?

Lucas Kauffman

@ChrisS like what?

Chopper3

@MattSimmons good in general thanks, just had a day of tests/scans etc. and it's got me in a foul mood

Jacob

@MattSimmons I need to redeem that LISA Pass too.

Lucas Kauffman

13:57

@Chopper3 scans were bad?

Jacob

@Chopper3 Go break something? Works for me :)

Chopper3

@LucasKauffman they catheterise you and inject you with this stuff that makes you feel very hot and like you'd pissed/shat yourself - so that, three times, plus the pain = not happy

Matt Simmons

@Chopper3 glad you're doing good. Probing is bound to do that, I suppose.

Lucas Kauffman

@Chopper3 ooh not nice :(

Chopper3

@MattSimmons yep, brain's slowly waking up after 9 months switched off so that's good

Scott Pack

13:59

@Chopper3 When will you hear the results from today's go around?

Cole

@MattSimmons I had spoke to Chris Massey about it

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