So for real a guy I'm talking to in a forum is saying that he didn't believe an open source project was really open source because he ran FireBug and say that the project's .js files were all .min.js files and thinks that minified javascript libraries are some kind of obfuscation method to keep things proprietary.

It's like he thinks JavaScript minification is some kind of IonCube code encryption.

@WesleyDavid Dude. You find the strange ones, don't you know.

@WesleyDavid well its kind of obfuscated but its not the purpose. I mean i'm almost certain you can just step through the code in a javascript debugger if you were really that interested.

@Adrian It's the same guy in that IceCast thread I linked you to. We're still at it, but I think he's realizing my clear superiority. =P

@MIfe Basically this guy was thinking "OPEN SOURCE IS A LIE THIS PROJECT MINIFIES IT'S JAVASCRIPT!"

Stallman isn't even that koo-koo.

heh

@WesleyDavid Meh. I'm used to the folks drinking the MS kool-aid here. There's people here, who otherwise vote Democrat, that think F/OSS is an Evil Socialist Scam because MS said so.

@Adrian sigh

And wow, vBulletin chokes on URLs with parenthesis in them

I can't post a link to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minification_(programming)

Curse vBulletin for me @Adrian

@WesleyDavid yeah, vBulletin always sucks big donkey balls.

@WesleyDavid encode it correctly

@Adrian I HATE VBulletin

@WesleyDavid ask if using DEFLATE is a evil proprietary conspiracy too ;).

@JoelESalas @WesleyDavid Says I should blame you for my social issues.

@Jacob I'm pretty much to blame

@JoelESalas really?

@JoelESalas The who with the what?

theregister.co.uk/2013/03/29/cloud_will_eat_our_children

^^ I'm 17 and I still dislike the cloud... Age has nothing to do with it.

Meh. I'm not convinced of 'cloud'.

Partly because theres a vagueness and variety in what people think it should mean (I think the US gov do actually have some definitions but the commerical/public perception varies)

But if we assume cloud means virtualisation with redundancy then there are alternative ways to offer segregation, security and consolidation without virtualisation.

I'm not a hugely massive fan of adding an extra layer of complexity into any design.

@MIfe I dislike the x cores concept. I want to know what CPU it is, the specs of it, ect... I don't like handing my loads off to some environment I know nothing about.

It's not about bang for your buck, you'll never get that with a cloud provider. It's about the positive externalities from agility, flexibility and fault tolerance that would be really expensive otherwise

Depending on what your doing virtualization causes a lack of determinism in your applications.

I like the cloud - where it fits.

One cannot offer any kind of real-time scenarios with it.

It's just that people try to bring their clouds everywhere.

I like the cloud that I control

Gotta plan my son's Bar Mitzvah - better use the cloud!

I love the OnApp setup, that we have at company.

Mozelcloud!

I'm so registering that domain

@MIfe They don't all have to be deterministic

@Jacob You can't always control a cloud

Your Kosher cloud service - Mozelcloud. Come in out of the rain you'll catch your death! OYYY!!

@JoelESalas I don't always need a cloud :)

What was once ASV/ASPs was then hosted services is now cloud.

I never made a statement that said that all applications must be deterministic. But, personally I can consolidate/segregate without such heavy lifting like virtualization.

@JoelESalas I figured out a name for your business. Big eData Cloud iDevOps.

Got my words transposed. How dare I.

@Adrian Tell me why I care so much, man. I don't know why I just wrote an entire chapter or two on streaming media to that guy. =(

BTW, devops.xxx is available.

Some stuff with 'cloud' (when done properly) are pretty cool. such as on-demand load scaling. I think doing that without virtualization would be a bit complicated.

@MIfe I'm sure @JoelESalas could make a auto-deployment puppetized cfSaltedStack OpenWingding bare metal thingy for you.

Actually, Ubuntu's MaaS stuff is pretty neat.

Combined with Juju

Yes I said it! I think something Canonical made is cool - bite me!

@WesleyDavid If only I could use it with CentOS...

The concept of a 'private cloud' I dont get my head around though. Surely the idea is you go with someone with vast amounts of compute resources because your processing throughput is so volatile you dont know how much you need. When you buy a fixed amount of capacity, then add virtualization to chop it up into smaller peices that you can scale defeats the purpose.. you still have an upper bound of capacity.

You might as well leverage everything so that whatever your doing runs with full capacity all the time.