The Comms Room

12:00 AM

@MIfe From what I've seen private cloud is more about "I can't use shared infrastructure" than "My processing throughput is volatile"

MIfe

OK, so what is the cloud doing you dont get any other way?

Dan

@MIfe The problem with these conversations is that the phrase cloud is all but completely meaningless by itself. It's just a crap marketing term

MIfe

@Dan yes I agree. I forego the vagueries and say (for the most part) 'cloud' refers to virtualization with some form of redundancy/high-availability.

Dan

@MIfe See, this is the problem. For me, I do that stuff day in day out and I don't believe I work with "the cloud." To me, it needs to have an aspect of automation and end user driven provisioning

(Not that it'll stop me describing whatever I do as "Cloud based systems" because, y'know, recruiters love that shit)

MIfe

@Dan yes, 'cloud' is the ultimate 'magic box'. Literally a 'cloud' in a diagram which pertains to declaring "I dont care what happens at this stage providing it takes my input as expected and produces the output I expected". I can accept that proviso only at quite a low level (how the cpu processes an XOR, how a syscall may work -- and even in these circumstances there is times I DO care what a syscall does)

But when dealing at such a high level what is happening in a 'cloud' being "I send http request in and get http request out" I find particularly dangerous territory for IT systems designers to be ignoring the internals of.

Dan

12:10 AM

@MIfe Agreed - cloud is a bit of a dirty work at our place, which is kind of ironic because what we do is very "cloudy" (Virtualisation, Virtual Desktops, shit like that). Personally, I hate it because 90% of the time it's used to describe something that we've (Well, IT folk at least) have been doing for the last 20 years.

@MIfe Yeah, I hate the encouragement that you can start to disregard how half your infrastructure works. "Oh, these servers - yeah, they run on [abc] platform. No, I haven't got a clue what processor is underneath, who is sharing the estate and what network equipment it's plugged into. How can that possibly be important...?"

MIfe

I worry that there will be this whole generation of IT people whose knowledge has gaping wide holes that they place firmly as a 'cloud problem'.

Dan

@MIfe It's funny you should say that

Read this earlier. It will not help your fears

theregister.co.uk/2013/03/29/cloud_will_eat_our_children

HopelessN00b

@MIfe Why worry? Sounds like job security for those of us who know better.

Joel E Salas

@MIfe It's good, because stuff like Heroku ripping people off makes DevOps cry. I can't get off any other way.

MIfe

@HopelessN00b I doubt that. Not when some hiring manager thinks 'cloud can do it better'.

I think that what would really happen it is will compartmentalize those of us who do know what we are talking about into smaller and smaller markets that actually provide 'cloud'.

Cole

12:14 AM

Not all companies can leverage "cloud" for everything

MIfe

It reduces diversity in the market.

Dan

@Cole Won't stop them trying.

Cole

My company won't even look at stuff like that, then again we have 15 NT Domains...

MIfe

@Dan I saw that. Its just rackspace rhetoric. They spent huge amounts of money developing that infrastructure. Its doing pretty well too (good for them). But they've basically put a lot of their chips on the cloud thing, its in their best interests to push this kind of thinking.

Dan

@HopelessN00b I genuinely can't wait until the inevitable huge cloud explosions. I like Amazon, but I'll be cheering at the TV when 50% of their customers end up in the dark for a week or something. I'm not worried long term, these things go in circles and eventually we'll come to that equilibrium

@MIfe Oh yeah, it's all just propaganda really

Joel E Salas

12:16 AM

@Cole Your company won't take staff photos because it'll steal their souls

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Cole

@JoelESalas haha, I work with dinosaurs.

HopelessN00b

And come in and clean up after the cloud.

Hell, look at mainframes. You think there's any shortage of jobs for RPG programmers and quality AS400 operators, despite that being dinosaur technology?

Cole

Still tons of mainframe shit out there

It's the ebb and flow of IT. Centralize, decentralize, centralize, decentralize, etc.

HopelessN00b

@Cole Yup, and even if the "cloud" takes over, there's gonna be tons of real IT shit out there too.

Cole

@HopelessN00b especially for large companies, no way a company like EMC or NetApp, etc would be able to use cloud for everything

HopelessN00b

12:19 AM

@Cole And don't forget the virtualize/don't-virualize ebb and flow (speaking of mainframes and all)

Cole

@HopelessN00b That too

MIfe

Heres a great example of ridiculousness. Theres some people now talking about the benefits of nested virtualization.

KVM have been adding it. So you can 'cloud your cloud' so that you can 'move cloud providers more easily'. Its just ludicrous.

Jacob

@MIfe What, 2 layers of VZ?? No thanks

MIfe

Its going to end up like finance, everyone using cloud services off of everyone. Nobody quite understands the flow of data, a bubble waiting to burst.

Dan

@MIfe Imagine diagnosing a freaky low down CPU bug on that - fun!

MIfe

12:22 AM

rackspace cloud using the 'cloud' of some storage people who use the 'cloud' of maybe 4 other people etc.

Cole

I fucking hate the term cloud.

HopelessN00b

@MIfe To be fair, there are benefits to nested virtualization. But, there are benefits to lighting your head on fire too (prevents acne)... doesn't make it a god idea, though.

MIfe

Double the cloud isnt good? Naw, the people in accounting think that sounds like a great idea.

Jacob

This is why I hate DevOps.

HopelessN00b

@MIfe People in accounting liking it is the first hint that it's a horrible idea that's going to end the world/cause the next financial crash a decade from now.

Dan

12:24 AM

@Jacob And Devs.

Journeyman Geek

@Cole: cause you're not a marketdroid ;p

Dan

@HopelessN00b I'm going to start keeping a note of your phrases, so that I can pull them out in client meetings when I'm asked to do something horrific

Cole

Yo dawg I heard you like the cloud, so I put a cloud in your cloud so you can cloud while you cloud!

Journeyman Geek

lol

Jacob

I am asking the admin team lead a question about Python and rather than help he, he is interrogating me about why I'm using it. -_-

Cole

12:25 AM

weird

Journeyman Geek

...

Cole

Well, coming in here made me realize I should start drinking right now.

HopelessN00b

@Dan OK... do so at your own risk. You might be surprised, but people often don't like hearing their idea is as smart as curing zits by setting their on fire.

Journeyman Geek

@Jacob "Cause I know it, and I think I can solve the problem using it"

Dan

@HopelessN00b :)

Journeyman Geek

12:26 AM

of course, thats a smart way of saying "this is my favourite hammer, and that there problem over there looks like a nail"

Dan

Could we all somehow conspire to discredit the cloud?

Cole

This beer my therapist got me is delicious.

Dan

I'm going to upload a kitten to AWS and then say they killed it

You can put pets in the cloud, right?

Jacob

@Dan With all of the gear under our control, I'm sure we could DDos it for atleast an hour before we are all arrested and fired.

Maybe we get fired first?

Kevin

@Dan Listen to this song, but "s/The Metal/The Cloud/g" youtube.com/watch?v=qR7U1HIhxfA

Dan

12:31 AM

@Kevin I love me some Ten D

Kevin

@Dan Who doesn't?

Dan

@Kevin I don't know, and I don't want to know.

Kevin

@Dan Though I wouldn't really call them "metal," they're more hard rock...

MIfe

Well, at my old place we used to have 'the cloud'. Due to its tendency to implode the entire cluster it got termed 'the mushroom cloud'. You could consider adding that one extra word every time you refer to it. ;-)

Journeyman Geek

@Dan could we also discredit the idea that everything NEEDS to be a tablet? I like the idea of the option of using a laptop, or a desktop or a proper keyboard I can beat people to death with or....

HopelessN00b

12:34 AM

@Dan I'm all for discrediting the cloud, but I'll only get involved if we can somehow make millions doing it. Oh, damn... we're too late. That's Facebook's business model.

Dan

@Kevin To be fair, they're what metal was - but the word has been stolen by the really heavy stuff

@HopelessN00b :D

@JourneymanGeek Hah, you're not wrong. I'm getting pissed off that I feel I have to remind people that I lug a huge laptop around because I occasionally do something fucking constructive

Kevin

@JourneymanGeek Tablets? I've only ever seen tablets used in faux business, eg., TV. Never at a real business...

I did have one boss who did everything on a tablet, but he was an exception...

Jacob

@Kevin I'm happy listening to Depeche Mode :)

Journeyman Geek

@Kevin: eh, the place I 'work' in uses our computers to old age related death so I have no idea. There's just so many people who go "You don't need a desktop, a laptop would do" "You don't need a laptop, a tablet would do"

and I keep going back to desktops to get actual (school) work done ;p

Dan

@JourneymanGeek I must admit, I've long since moved on from desktops but my laptop is a desktop replacement rather than a crappy little netbook or something

Kevin

12:37 AM

I want to see someone manage 100s or 1000s of Linux nodes from a tablet...

MIfe

I think for the most part tablets are a bit of a fad.

Jacob

@Kevin I'd like to collect my reward

Journeyman Geek

@Dan: I like proper keyboards, big screens, and such

Cole

Any one here a beer snob..?

Kevin

@Jacob ?

Joel E Salas

12:38 AM

@Cole I like beer a lot?

MIfe

Itll probably die off, or specialize into an area that isnt going to take standard work away. A bit like a games console.

Dan

@JourneymanGeek My office changes every couple of days, so that just wouldn't do :D

HopelessN00b

@Cole Define that. I might be.

Michael Hampton

I won't drink the piss that most people call beer. Does that count?

Joel E Salas

@MichaelHampton That's just dignity sir

Dan

12:38 AM

@Cole I'm a real ale lover, but I'm no expert

Journeyman Geek

I have a little 12 inch thinkpad for when I need a computer outside the home office, but my main system is a desktop with a well broken in mechanical keyboard ;p

Cole

Ok well there's a local brewery here

Jacob

@Kevin Our Server MGMT software will let me run commands on several nodes at once. I've used it from my tablet... Ergo, I "managed 100s or 1000s of Linux nodes from a tablet" :)

Cole

Jack's Abby, I highly suggest it if you can get some. Drinking the Smoke & Dagger now - fucking. delicious.

Dan

@Cole What is it? I'm a pale ale man

Kevin

12:40 AM

@Jacob You win some Tylenol for that headache...

Cole

@Dan kind of like a smoked porter. I'm a Pale Ale fan as well, and IPAs.

Dan

Cole

beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/26520/71501

Dan

Me...last night. Winning.

Cole

Win.

Dan

12:42 AM

@Cole I was a broken man this morning though

Kevin

Am I the only one who never drinks alcohol? Much prefer a Klonopin ;)

Cole

@Dan how many did you have?

@Kevin I have Ativan, it's much more fun with beer.

Dan

@Cole I think about 6 or 7 pints

Cole

@Dan ouch, assuming that most Pale Ales are in the 5%-6% range

Dan

@Cole Yup :D Cracking night though, got through....5 pubs I think

HopelessN00b

12:44 AM

<sigh> Couldn't drink last night. Work. Can't drink tonight. Work.

Kevin

@Cole That just sounds down-right dangerous! :D

Cole

Nice! All my friends are too poor to go out and drink with me.

Jacob

@Cole All my friend are poor in general :) Benefits of a sysadmin... Money

Dan

@Cole Well, the last time i went out with this group (Who are my main real ale buddies) was before Christmas, so yeah. It's the taxi fairs and such which get you

But they're all ex work colleagues, so it's one hell of a geeky night. Took my Mrs and my Sister In Law, bless them

Journeyman Geek

@Kevin: teetoal here

bit of a soft drinks affectionado

Kevin

12:46 AM

@Jacob Huh? I don't know where you live, but where I come from, a sysadmin's income is well below average.

Cole

@Dan I usually go out with my old boss/best friend, we drink a lot of good beer and lots of nerdy talk.

Jacob

@Kevin More of my age group, compared to my profession. See most of peers work at minimum wage

HopelessN00b

@Kevin Where's that? A respectable middle class/white collar salary in most places. At least if you're competent.

Dan

@Cole It's good fun, except of course, by the end of every night we're going to set up a business and work with each other and get everyone jobs and make a bazillion pounds

Cole

@Dan of course lol

Dan

12:49 AM

@Kevin Ouch, seriously? Well above average here

Cole

Well above average here, too.

Kevin

@HopelessN00b Ok, well, shall we start throwing around numbers!? ;)

Cole

I have no shame saying what I make

WesleyDavid

@Kevin What, what, whaaaat?

What backwater do you live in. =P

HopelessN00b

@Kevin OR we could pull up glassdoor and compare it to demographic data...

Kevin

12:50 AM

@WesleyDavid Austin, TX...

WesleyDavid

Oh, Austin

Wait, really? I thought that would be an awesome place to be a sysadmin

Phoenix is pisant for SysAdmin salaries too though.

Adrian

@WesleyDavid Dude. You gotta move up this way.

Kevin

I won't say what I make, but I will say that most Linux sysadmin here make around $60k

Jacob

@Kevin Talk to @RyanRies he makes über bank

Adrian

@Kevin Yeah, you don't get good people for those rates here.

WesleyDavid

12:51 AM

@Adrian I'm softening - but I so so love the weather here. Healthier for me.

HopelessN00b

@WesleyDavid Move out to Ohio. Make 70k without breaking a sweat. Of course, the downside is living in Ohio... but you make a lot relative to the cost of living.

Adrian

@WesleyDavid Yeah, not a good town if you have issues with depression though.

WesleyDavid

@HopelessN00b Already lived in Ohio. Sucked.

Cole

@WesleyDavid or Boston and make $80K+

Ryan Ries

The rumor of me makiing uber bank is greatly exaggerated

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MIfe

12:52 AM

In the UK rates vary (by market really) but anything between £30-60 is the norm.

WesleyDavid

@HopelessN00b And now I feel like a dick for making 75k my shit test for if I want to work at a place. =/

Working as an indie contractor and living with poverty wages has taken my shit test minimum down quite a bit though. =)

HopelessN00b

@WesleyDavid Why? Not a bad number. Might have to adjust a little by region if you're looking outside of your area, but that's about my number too.

WesleyDavid

However, there is immense satisfaction in working for one's self. At least for me. Even if the pay sucks at this moment.

Cole

Boston it's fairly easy to make good money, if you're a good sysadmin

jscott

Less is more, stay pure, stay poor.

HopelessN00b

12:54 AM

@WesleyDavid True dat. Sometimes I miss giving a shit about the quality of my work. :)

WesleyDavid

@HopelessN00b My idea was that if I'm going to be a sysadmin, and the positions I typically sit for are more senior level where I'm making purchasing decisions and plotting courses for the future good of the company, if they can't afford 75k a year plus dental on the medical benefits, then they're not serious about a real, legit sysadmin.

Jacob

I make pennies compared to you guys, but I don't have too many bills either.

Kevin

Also, my first job was at Hostgator, and they paid... Actually, I'm not sure I'm allowed to say. Oh, what the hell, Hostgator paid $35k...

Cole

@Kevin what were you doing? My first IT job I was making $13/hr

WesleyDavid

Now, I do adjust for geography. I don't expect that in a smaller market like, say, Grand Junction Colorado.

jscott

12:55 AM

@Kevin First job, that's not a surprise.

MIfe

I feel rich now..

HopelessN00b

@WesleyDavid Oh, hells yeah. I'm trying to just barely avoid that level of responsibility, honestly, and I still expect at least 70's anywhere I work.

Jacob

@Cole 18$ an hour was my first job :)

Cole

I always feel like I dick when I complain about what I make.

WesleyDavid

@Cole Me too =/ But it's less about the dollar amount and more about the culture and also the seriousness with which a place takes their technology. If a place pays peanuts, they don't appreciate tech and it will be a bad job for everyone involved.

Ryan Ries

12:56 AM

@JoelESalas Your recommendation of Prilosec (or similar) was spot on - been feeling much better

Kevin

@Cole Linux admin.

HopelessN00b

@Kevin They actually advertise those positions heavily around Columbus. They're up to offering 40k for basic Linux SAs now.

Kevin

@HopelessN00b What's the average in that area?

Cole

@WesleyDavid like my current job who had to factor in my first years raise at 6% to just get me where I needed to be to accept the position? haha

jscott

$13/hour is still 27K -- for a first step that isn't close to pumping gas.

WesleyDavid

12:57 AM

So while $55k is a great salary in this world, and in the top, what, 2% of humans on the planet? It's not good for a seasoned sysadmin in a serious position.

Cole

@jscott got bumped to $14/hr after 3 months.

My salary has skyrocketed in 5 years.

jscott

@Cole I don't think that's either unreasonable or unexpected.

Cole

@jscott oh no, I was PUMPED.

I was working at Dunkin Donuts making $7.75/hr at the time

MIfe

@cole same happened to me.

jscott

@Cole Yeah, if you can get things done and people take notice, you can get paid.

WesleyDavid

12:59 AM

Why is a relations manager at an Irish financial services company looking at my LinkedIn profile page...

HopelessN00b

@Kevin Depends who you ask. According to Glassdoor, the range is 40-80K, with 10 being 10th percentile and 80 being 90th percentile... but I'm not sure how accurate that is, except that there's a very big range here for anything IT-related. A lot of companies that don't give a crap about IT, and a lot of good, IT-centric ones in the same city. Makes for some weird averages.

jscott

@Cole Betting the DD benes weren't quite as good as the 13/hr job. Unless you were a donut addict or something. :)

Kevin

@HopelessN00b Still, $40k in an IT-centric company is low, right?

Cole

@jscott I hated that job, worked there for 4 years.

Worked at Best Buy for 2 years.

HopelessN00b

@Kevin Yes, but I'd say it's commensurate to your responsibilities and challenges as bottom-level SA at hostgator, too. They don't pay a lot, but they don't expect a lot out of you either.

MIfe

1:01 AM

In the UK, if your lucky you can make $150 in a non-contract position.

jscott

@Kevin depends what you do, what your responsibilities are, how important things the company [in general] does are.

Kevin

@MIfe How hard is it to get a UK work visa?

MIfe

No idea :).

I do say if you're lucky!

The average is likely more alond the lines of 70k

Ryan Ries

I think I might love to move to London

jscott

@Cole I worked at a place named Computer City. They eventually were bought out by, uh, CompUSA.

Cole

1:03 AM

@jscott sucks, eh?

@RyanRies friend of mine moved to London - hates it

HopelessN00b

@Kevin Believe it or not, there are some places... a lot of places, even... around this town that offer salaries in the 40's for their only IT guy who does everything and is on call 24/7, which is... just insane.

Jacob

I make about 1/5 what you guys make :( Time to write an email...

Ryan Ries

@Cole How come?

Cole

@RyanRies no jobs.

MIfe

I dont work in london. But I am lucky to be earning > 100 < 200. Much to do with the sector you're going for.

Cole

1:04 AM

I'm about to break the $100K > range

Adrian

@jscott Heh. I worked at the Rochester CompUSA from 1993 to 1995.

jscott

@Cole Funniest part, I couldn't work in the repair/service dept because I didn't have A+ cert.

Ryan Ries

@Cole Congrats... that's a milestone

Cole

@jscott haha!

@RyanRies yeah, it's kind of a whoa moment

jscott

@Adrian Creeping me out man. That's the one... on Jefferson, well, was on Jefferson.

Cole

1:05 AM

@RyanRies especially for 26 years old, and 5 years experience.

Adrian

@jscott Yep. My now-Ex went to RIT and I went to MCC back then.

bybe

$70k wont get you much in london 3/4 of it will be rent unless u travel...

MIfe

TBH it can come down to other skillsets. I'm a sysadmin and systems programmer.

Cole

@Adrian friend of mine went to RIT...in the 80's :P He actually owned Screensavers.com in the 90's

Jacob

*facepalm* Command: PASV
Error: Connection timed out
Error: Failed to retrieve directory listing Me: Your Firewall is blocking PASV ports, Switch to active only mode Client: I did that, it still doesn't work

HopelessN00b

1:06 AM

@Cole Jesus... stop talking before you motivate me right into getting off my ass and doing somethign to make more money. :p

Cole

@HopelessN00b haha, I wonder what would happen if I actually applied myself.

My therapist just asked what my girlfriend's sign was. Then she was like "What was <my ex>?" followed by "Other than a giant bitch."

Kevin

@Cole Are you hanging out in the comms while in a therapy session?

Cole

@Kevin no haha, she's texting me.

Adrian

@Cole I was on track to do so, until the contract got cut short. At least it means I'll be getting a huge tax refund next year based on the 30%+ deduction rate.

Jacob

@Adrian huh?

Cole

1:09 AM

@Adrian nice :P I have to pay in $1600 to MA this year -_- gotta file for an extension to pay that back.

jscott

@Adrian I'm almost resigned to the idea that you and I may have crossed paths, here in Rochester.. Or at least been in the same bar/party/gathering. Too many coincidences.

Adrian

@jscott When did you work for Computer City again?

Cole

God I love beer.....and boobs.

jscott

@Adrian It was a short affair, had to be late 97? I wasn't there long before they went down and I drifted off to a "real" job.

@Adrian But I'm sure I'd shopped at "your" CompUSA a million times before that.

Adrian

@jscott Heh. Quite likely. I usually worked the service counter. I left town in mid 97 after getting married. Worked at the movie theater across the street in early 97.

WesleyDavid

2:25 AM

@JoelESalas Thought you'd like this set of articles:
http://rapgenius.com/James-somers-herokus-ugly-secret-lyrics

Or wait, were you the one that showed them to me? I'm losing my mind.

Yo dawg, gotta make a Heroku competitor except multithreaded and with less random suck.

@JoelESalas and this venturebeat.com/2013/03/02/rap-genius-responds

Joel E Salas

3:56 AM

@WesleyDavid Already read them, it made me happy because rapgenius didn't take Heroku's bullshit at face value

WesleyDavid

@JoelESalas Apparently they now have 100 problems.

WesleyDavid

6:01 AM

I have an inability to resist answering shopping questions.

I'm a bad cat.

Actually, no. I'm a good cat. I'm good at not following directions.

Journeyman Geek

all cats are bad ;p

WesleyDavid

@JourneymanGeek That is a true statement.

@JourneymanGeek Just look at this: serverfault.com/q/494873/9770

It actually made me mad.

Journeyman Geek

actually

thats not a bad answer

WesleyDavid

You want to do a technical thing, you complain about a service that's $20 a year, you want it free, you don't want to host it, you don't want to make it yourself, you say it's too technical.

Journeyman Geek

what's that question doing here tho?

WesleyDavid

6:03 AM

@JourneymanGeek That's that OP doing here?

I think he got lost on his way to DaniWeb.

Journeyman Geek

lol

WesleyDavid

@JourneymanGeek Sometimes I don't know why I bother.

I wrote a book on streaming media the last few days to a person who doesn't get it. Hours of my time - will it matter?

Don't mind me. I'm just getting existential.

Yo, @Adrian

Senior Dev Ops/Sys Admin to run product implimentations at Flowroute (www.flowroute.com)

puppetpythoncheflinuxsysadmin

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Posted on Careers 2.0 on March 26, 2013

"I did it!!"

Journeyman Geek

@WesleyDavid: cause you almost care? ;p

Iain

@WesleyDavid fab read :)

WesleyDavid

6:18 AM

@Iain Yes, very! Was neat to see how they measured everything. I want to re-read and learn a bit more from it.

@JourneymanGeek totally misspelled my name.

You're dead to me.

=P

Iain

It will be interesting to see how it's fixed - probably in the documentation

WesleyDavid

I can see their "Latest Rollouts" blog post now.
"Updated Documentation: We're now more transparent about how screwed you are!"

Journeyman Geek

7:02 AM

@WesleyDavid did I? ;p

WesleyDavid

@JourneymanGeek This one or two answers a day thing is nice.

Curbing my extremist tendencies and just relaxing.

But still being productive.

Journeyman Geek

yeah

Journeyman Geek

7:16 AM

I need to deal with quitting a community I've been a part of for a VERY long time

with minimal drama, I hope

WesleyDavid

@JourneymanGeek Cow milking porn?

Journeyman Geek

naw

just some online place. I kinda got burned out on it

too much drama, and I don't feel like I'm neither contributing, nor getting anything out of it

there's some good people there, so, I need to see if I can keep in contact with them

WesleyDavid

@JourneymanGeek You teat yanking pervert.

Journeyman Geek

lol

dosen't really matter what it is, does it ;p

WesleyDavid

@JourneymanGeek It's udder porn. Don't deny it.

Journeyman Geek

7:20 AM

lol

the truth can be stranger than fiction... not here ;p

cause thats a fiction and its plenty strange

WesleyDavid

Okay snuggles - I'm off to bed.

Toodles, lovelies.

Iain

@WesleyDavid you're braver than me tackling that cname question

Dennis Kaarsemaker

8:13 AM

g'morning people

happy zombie jesus day!

Dan

10:34 AM

Good morning

Chopper3

11:24 AM

can we shit this one into space please - the guy's a dick

-3

Q: How to connect 12 SATA 3 disks to a home server with GA-790XTA-UD4 board

How can I connect 12 SATA 3 disks to a motherboard that has just two SATA 3 connectors. What expansion card or some other solution would you recommend?

Journeyman Geek

11:35 AM

also, off topic anyway

Dan

12:28 PM

Right, two hours of motorcycling on a sunny Sunday afternoon. Don't mind if I do!

Cole

1:02 PM

I want to light my neighbors on fire.

Stack Exchange

3:48 PM

myotherpcisacloud.com: Why Does It Say <Unknown Contact> When Viewing Network Share Permissions?

posted on March 31, 2013 by ryan

I only get to work with Active Directory trusts every so often. I think multi-domain forests seem to be falling out of fashion. At least for those of us who've heard of federation. Regardless, here's an interesting issue I ran into the other day: So I have this domain, contoso.com. In contoso.com, there is a one-way forest trust established with fabrikam.com…

Jacob

2

A: DNS Whitelist Only

So you want: Something that enables you to only allow white-list based DNS resolution to 100 or more domains. Something that's point-n-click simple, or nearly so. Has to be free. The answer is, in a word: NOPE. Furthermore, know that using DNS as a method of locking down users will require y...

Ryan Ries

Yeah why not stand up your own DNS server with only the handful of records you want your users to resolve, disable recursion on that DNS server, then block port 53 to every other IP address from your users via hardware firewall? Seems that'd be the easiest/most effective way of preventing your users from circumventing it...

Dan

It's not a terrible solution, but it's far from the right one

Ryan Ries

Well that was my zero thought put in to it solution... what's the right one? :)

Dan

@RyanRies An inline proxy server

For a start, to get round yours all I need is an IP address for some sites. Others would need a hosts file due to virtual servers

Ryan Ries

4:02 PM

Good point... although I'm not actually for blocking internet access from employees like that. If a worker wants to waste time on espn.com, that's an HR and management problem, not a technical one.

Dan

@RyanRies Couldn't agree more - we don't have any http based filtering and monitoring at our place

Ryan Ries

I've been sucked in to one of those "omg we need to monitor each and every website our hundreds of workers visit" and I don't like being that guy.

Although now you've got me researching DNS over HTTP because I'm thinking of how to circumvent the various methods of doing what that guy wants to do. :)

statdns.com/api

MIfe

An ssh tunnel to a host outside of the network will do this. You can then setup firefox to socks proxy through it.

Dan

@RyanRies Honestly, the only sensible way to restrict internet access is to use a proxy. Everything else is just dirty

Kenny Rasschaert

4:34 PM

@Dan web filtering is an exercise in futility, imho.

I've broken every web filter I've ever encountered, most of the with ease.

Dan

@KennyRasschaert I kind of agree, but in education (My sector) it's a legal requirement

And to be fair, the "I can get round it" isn't a great argument. I can kick in my front door if I want to, but I still lock it when I go out!

Kenny Rasschaert

Do you blacklist or whitelist?

Dan

@KennyRasschaert I don't do either, but most places blacklist nowadays. The way teachers use the Internet just makes whitelisting a nightmare for everyone involved. More importantly than filtering is accountability and tracking though, really

Kenny Rasschaert

or just filter for keywords in the url

Dan

@KennyRasschaert That too, and many do content filtering too so watching for keywords and phrases in the page

I do agree, it's kind of futile and very much a cat and mouse game but then again, in a way, the internet is becoming smaller to the end user. Block YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram etc and that's half the battle won :D

Jacob

5:15 PM

@RyanRies I think you spelled über wrong :P

Ryan Ries

Ain't nobody got time for umlauts

Jacob

@RyanRies Done anything cool lately? (with electrons)

Ryan Ries

5:32 PM

@Jacob Can't say that I have. My hay-day of playing with high voltage electricity was way back in high school, and I haven't gone back there since. If I ever move out to a house with a little bit of land, I'd get back in to it. But it's pretty hard to do that kind of stuff while living in an apartment in the city.

ewwhite

6:01 PM

0

Q: What server linux distros "guarantee" you will always be able to upgrade to major new releases?

To my astonishment, I found out I can't upgrade my CentOS 5.5 system to CentOS 6... (well I can, with a risky and painful process that is not supported and will most probably result in a mess) So, rather that waste my time with a new fresh install that I will have to redo again and again every t...

linux centos debian distro upgrade

burn it all and install Debian?

Jacob

6:12 PM

@ewwhite Eww Gross

Then again, I admin servers with cPanel on them... I FEEL SO DIRTY :(

ewwhite

It's okay.

It's okay...

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite And then come back in two years when the next upgrade breaks horribly.

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton Well, the OP has a point... there was a time when you could upgrade in-place.

Jacob

Build a parallel system and move on...

Michael Hampton

OK, which one of you was asking about FreeSWITCH?

Jacob

6:25 PM

@MichaelHampton What?

Michael Hampton

These DevOps people really need to put more thought into Ops. I'm sick of software that only runs if you happen to be on the developer's computer.

Dan

0

Q: Developing always running PHP script

(Our server is Linux based) I'm an experienced PHP developer but first time i'll develop a bot which always running and fetch some datas. I'll explain my application with a simple (and sample) scenario. I have about 2000 web site url and my application will visit this url's and record contents ...

php5 console application

Migrate?

Michael Hampton

Maybe to programmers.SE

Dan

@MichaelHampton Not a bad call

Michael Hampton

Programmers is the place for architecture questions, according to its and SO's respective FAQs.

Iain

6:31 PM

@ewwhite getting your legs spinning ?

ewwhite

@Iain hmm?

Iain

@ewwhite 3 rides this week

ewwhite

Yeah, I'm tired of getting fat.

Michael Hampton

So, FreeSWITCH seems nice so far. Though writing your own dialplan is always a pain, especially in XML. It has two GUI frontends, though... but. FusionPBX is a complete mess, and is almost entirely undocumented. blue.box might be better, but its website is down and showing a Java backtrace with a No space left on device error...

Iain

I've lost 28lbs this year

ewwhite

6:33 PM

@MichaelHampton CudaTel, bitch!

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite I had a feeling you would say that.

ewwhite

@Iain working this job has had a terrible impact on my fitness/health... so I'm refocusing...

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite I'd consider it if they had a virtual appliance.

Dan

@ewwhite I've done no exercise for two weeks, going to have to get a 10 miler in tomrrow I think

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton THey do for the other appliances... but really, Barracuda stuff is low-quality.

but better than the alternatives.

@Iain My ass hurts soooo much.

Michael Hampton

6:37 PM

@ewwhite Not to mention, I have a custom application that I am going to have to port over from Asterisk.

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton oh, so YOU are devops.

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite Yes, I know how to write code. Which is why I feel perfectly justified in beating developers over the head for the stupid shit they do.

Iain

@ewwhite that's not good with the miles you're doing ...

ewwhite

@Iain it's getting used to the bike. I've never taken such a long break from riding.

I went singlespeed today, though...

Michael Hampton

7:43 PM

So... do I write a (potentially very complex) configuration for FreeSWITCH from scratch, or do I write a web front end for it that doesn't suck?

Jacob

@MichaelHampton Why not sub your job out to china like that one guy did :)

Michael Hampton

@Jacob Ho ho, very funny.

Jacob

@MichaelHampton theonion.com/video/…

I hate our slow VPN...

Senior Dev Ops/Sys Admin to run product implimentations at Flowroute (www.flowroute.com)

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