The Comms Room

12:58 AM

Wow, Windows 2008 has RSH support? serverfault.com/questions/365095/…

Why the heck hasn't Microsoft added SSH? What is it, 1990?

@Zoredache Because they don't control the standard?

@Zoredache Not natively, I think you have to download them

@Zoredache A remote command line really has been lacking from Windows, but Powershell does an OK job these days. It's not as flexible as SSH but it does the major functions well

2:14 AM

What are people thinking when they come up with crappy names like thin.

@Zoredache Depends on what the product is for

Good name for a sanitary pad

Worst ones are names that are virtually un-googlable

The product name is literally thin. It is apparently a ruby web server.

About half of the things tagged thin are about this ruby web server.

What are the other half?

The other half are people breaking up thin and client.

Haha I was about to suggest that

2:16 AM

Should be thin-client- or vmware-thinapp.

Journeyman Geek

lol

I was going to retag things a big to cleanup, but I want to come up with something more verbose for the Ruby web server.

Hrm.. It does look like on stackoverflow the thin tag refers to ruby. I may just leave it then and steal their wiki.

2:46 AM

So i triggered a re-tagging :)

That's great

Clean things up

@ChristopherWilson Wooo! Retagging FTW.

Indeed

So glad I switched to Akismet on my blog. No muss. No fuss. And it actually works.

@WesleyDavid for spam control ?

@WesleyDavid speaking of Wordpress, do you know how load balancing it works? :)

2:55 AM

nevermind, looks like @MDMarra already got upgrade in his list.

@WesleyDavid Indeed. I get about 500 spam/week. Maybe 4-5 per year sneak through.

@Adrian blogith?

@ChristopherWilson Yes, spam comment control.

@Jacob First, cache it. Then, HAproxy it. =)

@Jacob "do you know how load balancing it works?" ???

W3 Total Cache is the best one out there. SuperCache is good too, but a little behind in methodology.

2:57 AM

@Jacob Not really. I use Wordpress as a bare-bones CMS. roadsnw.com

@Zoredache Bearded Tag Bandit.

@ChristopherWilson Yeah, The 4 Question marks aren't needed, I'm not stupid -_-

@Jacob Only three. One was yours. =)

I was thinking do the linux idea concept and do a DFS cluster?

@WesleyDavid That would be true if I said extra

@Jacob 3, I was not suggesting that :)

Q: How could one prevent drunk users from using a mobile application?

3:03 AM

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Consider a mobile application which for some reason needs to prevent drunk users from using it (e.g. to avoid dreaded "drunk dials" or "drunk texts"). How could "sober authentication" be executed from a human interaction point of view? There must be a balance between usability of such applicati...

android ios mobile

Dumbest idea ever

lol

@Jacob agreed

Oh neat, I just got the first Gold tag badge...

@Zoredache Nice

You realize it's quite sad that you find that neat :)

@Jacob But yes, you don't really load balance Wordpress, you load balance the servers running Wordpress with a reverse proxy. The Wordpress installs would be rsynced from a staging server. Same with the databases. Just a simple script really.

3:11 AM

Evan will get a Windows gold tag in the near future he is only about 20 upvotes away.

Although, it shouldbe noted, that Wordpress can take a craptonne of traffic on a relatively cheap server if properly cached. The price for load balancing (at least four servers) would probably be better spent on one awesome server cached and CDN'd.

@ChristopherWilson why should I think that helping hundreds of people is sad?

Annnd invalid because Bridge

@WesleyDavid It's more of a project thing

Honestly, The Bridge could flag hardcore midget amputee porn and I'd mark it as invalid just because I despise them. =P

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3:13 AM

@Zoredache Good point, just imagining the hours spent helping those people :O

@Jacob Kewl. Load balancing is teh funs.

@ChristopherWilson Thats not sad, thats a crapton of work

Rebecca Chernoff

HI @WESLEYDAVID

and everyone else (;

@RebeccaChernoff hork hork hork

You startled me. Now look what you made me do. =[

@RebeccaChernoff Hello Rchern

3:14 AM

@Jacob Simple. Ask them to hold the phone still. Application not suitable for the elderly or those with parkinsons disease

evenin @RebeccaChernoff

I know I knwo

Holy crap @Zor you're on a rep capping roll.

@WesleyDavid Every. Flag. Ever. has come from that room.

@MarkHenderson What is the bridge?

3:15 AM

@Jacob gaming.se chat room

Yeah it is a bit annoying. I have missed something like ~500 rep the last couple days because of the cap. On the other hand most of it is from that silly chmod 777 question.

The Bridge

General Arqade Chat. We tried to leave once, but the door lock...

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Q: Why is "chmod -R 777 /" destructive?

I wonder who passed this link around. So many upvotes on relatively few views. I think someone must have shared it on some other Stack Exchange site:

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I'm not asking how to fix this problem, as there are a ton of references of that already on serverfault (reinstall OS). I also completely understand why this is bad form. I'm just curious as to why it does anything destructive at all. If you've ever ran this command you pretty much immediately de...

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@Zoredache Haha it's good when you have one of those. Im still getting + votes for my answer on that auditor question

@MarkHenderson Thats what happens when you get a lot of normal people in my generation online in a chat room :)

3:17 AM

@Jacob Im fairly sure that people of your generation (which is also mine... just) is that things degrade into filth. Like this room.

So I would expect the flags to be very vile. But they're just not. Most of them are totally harmless.

@MarkHenderson BUT BUT I SAW UNDER BEWBS!!!

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Hehe boobs

4:08 AM

Christ in a handbasket most of the "people" on Bridge are less mature than my 5th grade son.

Hmm, 1412 packages installed in my current Fedora instance.

@WesleyDavid Total or most recent update? If the latter, we need to talk about security best practices....

@Adrian Total.

I'm debating on what to upgrade to whenever I get around to it.

I'll probably stick with Fedora just to be in the RPM world and stick close to RedHat.

@WesleyDavid Personally, unless you're using it as a Desktop, CentOS is better since it's closer to RHEL.

@Adrian Yeah, this is my main laptop. What I'm on now.

I use CentOS for all servers.

All three of them right now. =)

4:21 AM

@WesleyDavid Ah. I just leave XP/7/WTFever on my laptops. Fiddling with the OS is a PITA when there's stuff I need to get done.

I'm on Fedora 14 and will likely rip and reload for Fedora 17 (xfce) when it comes out in May.

Nice. Stolen car just raced up the street. Can't conceive of any other reason I'd hear a car alarm approaching from 3 blocks away and then recede.

@Adrian Wewt. Kinda early for that sort of thing.

@WesleyDavid No kidding. And unusual for this part of the neighborhood. It's usually pretty quiet here.

I've got FreeBSD on servers and workstation; Win7 Home Prem on Laptops. =]

4:27 AM

@ChrisS Oh no. You invoked the voretaq7.

So much easier to steal cars in the middle of the day. Buy an old tow truck, a uniform and carry around some paperwork... nobody but the owner would even give you a second look.

@Adrian He maintains ports; I break them =]

@ChrisS The Solaris video that was posted this morning got my old interest in Solaris/OpenSolaris rekindled. Thus my ad for OpenIndiana. I'm now considering moving to that for giggles.

@ChrisS Not even, just carry papers around and now you're the repo man

I prefer FreeBSD steal the best parts of OpenSolaris and they can keep the rest.

@WesleyDavid Seriously though. He's not far off when it comes to filesystem issues with Linux.

4:29 AM

@Adrian That was the third most hilarious part of the video. The first being "Do no fall into the temptation to anthropomorphise Larry Ellison" and the second being "Sun was governed much like Somalia"

@Jacob The tow truck makes it much easier; you can steal basically anything with an old tow truck. And repo-men look mildly suspicious, the police may get called.

@WesleyDavid Oh yeah. I'm SO gonna start using the lawnmower bit in full team meetings (the ones w/ the Devs in the room).

Solaris Zones really looks awesome.

Zones are BSD Jails with a few improvements (most of which are also being implemeted in BSD)

@WesleyDavid They were pretty good. I think they're a little more work to set up than most expect though. Our customers always had problems with their zone setups.

4:31 AM

OpenVZ likes to pretend that it invented the concept too...

Much like every software company on earth likes to pretend that they invented something or other.

I suppose; Linux seems to be a frequent offender however. They also seem to have really short memories; but again, most software companies.

@ChrisS My take on just about every OS or application nowadays is this: Does it work for you? If yes, Great. If not, find something that does and STFU. Software COMPANIES however, well, that's another story.

@WesleyDavid I personally like "The lawnmower just cuts the grass. If you stick your arm in there it'll chop it off"

I think that summarizes Oracle.

@Adrian Zones aren't easy to configure well (neither are jails)

@voretaq7 I've had better luck with chroot jails (assuming that's what you're talking about). But that may just be that fact that I've set them up instead of simply supporting Zones.

4:44 AM

@Adrian I was talking about *BSD jails, but chroots do most of what people want zones/jails for, and are infinitely easier to set up :)

@voretaq7 Ah. More games with nomenclature. I think all the marketing people should be shoved into Iron Maidens.

@Adrian a chroot is just a chroot but jails are true sandboxing :-)

munches on virtual fig newton

@voretaq7 Your ability to recall old commercials is kind of creepy. =)

@Adrian thank you :-)

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$Padawan[-1] has a facial structure eerily similar to the actor that played the doctor in that show. Which also creeped me out a little.

4:56 AM

@Adrian $5 if you can get him to do the grin on camera!

@voretaq7 Nope. He's a suspicious sort. Mostly because that's the exact kind of thing our boss would do to us.

hmmm

Did someone summon the sock again?

@PauskaSock AAAAAAH! Creepy ass sock! Probably gonna have nightmares now....

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5:06 AM

@Adrian That's my best grin!

must resist urge to flag sock

@voretaq7 I am not an ass sock ☹

@PauskaSock you are not a unicode sock either. Because there is no unicode sock

But there is a unicode panda.

Unicode sock: 襪

@freiheit that's a chinese character with many other meanings too

5:12 AM

Thankfully I'm immune to all y'alls unicode hanky-panky.

Unicode Harassment 🐼Panda🐼 has its own glyph though

01F43C has no truck with me, sonny.

also 🐟 fish

and apparently Bikini👙

and for @WesleyDavid: High-Heeled Shoes 👠👠

You guys need a hobby.

@voretaq7 I am so, so sad that I can't see that. =(

5:15 AM

@WesleyDavid fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f460/index.htm

@voretaq7 I don't love them, but I wouldn't kick them out of my closet for eating crackers.

G'nite Gents. For tonight I shall dream of VMware instances and enterprise storage and reasonably-comfortable budgets to implement them with.....

@WesleyDavid Apple as a nonstandard symbol

yep, time for some night-time reading for me before teh beds.

kitteh head bonk

5:19 AM

bonk

Bicycle: 🚲

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Unicode fish-shaped windsocks? 🎏

Best Unicode char ever: 💩 (smiling poo)

@freiheit I thought it was 'Pile of poo'. Still my favourite though.

>>> unicodedata.name('💩')
'PILE OF POO'

You know what I'm suddenly reminded of? High-school. In the Mac-lab. Digging through piles of clip-art looking for funny things.

5:27 AM

@sysadmin1138 Unicode is the new clip-art

So I gather.

@MarkHenderson, why did you choose Apple for this question and no unix.stackexchange? serverfault.com/questions/365100/…

Or leave it here seems it acutally seems to be about restoring some files related to a web server?

@Zoredache Agreed, that'd probably be a good fit for unix. It just happens to be on MacOS

@pauska: Y U NO LIKE MY SMILE FOR U?

6:55 AM

I've reached that manic stage of pulling an all-nighter. This bodes ill for tomorrow.

7:08 AM

Is something broken?

Er, yes. Doing the first production-esque deployment of our new webapp. It seems things have changed in ways that the automated deployment scripts were not built to handle. Oops.

G'day

Howdy.

you're up late

@Iain Or is he?

7:20 AM

You betcha.

Hazard of the job, as we know.

:(

@MikeyB you too ?

I'm working with two devs, and between the three of us we're figuring out why this deploy-to-production isn't working the way we expected. Something about going 6 weeks between the last one of these and a fuckton of code-changes inbetween.

@Iain Yeah, getting stuff done at home. I really ought to get to bed :/

@sysadmin1138 Good luck with that.

@sysadmin1138 :(

Very educational, though. A lot of fixes are coming out of this, and we now have incentive to do this kind of processing routinely. Silver lining!

7:24 AM

this is a strange assortment of SFers for this time of (my) day

I bet it is.

And there is the hourly VPN reset ":P

Definitely well into the 'manic' phase of tired.

Email is not IM! Happily my current workplace understands that.

And with that we're declaring defeat and going to bed. Good thing I can do this from my living room.

when is the app go live ?

Oh... full beta is in the 4-6 week range.

I just uploaded 100MB of zipped debug logs to Zimbra support. Let those fuckers deal with the problem. Woohoo!

@sysadmin1138 there's some elbow room there then

7:38 AM

@sysadmin1138 It's good to know when to give up

Yeah there is. Which is why I'm not pulling an all-nighter here. Our sales guys will live for a day without the pretty toys.

In the mean time I get to build an auto-scaler from scratch, robustify the deployment process, and do so in a way that the devs can sneak in an iterate to hell and back on a node while they figure out WTF all without screwing the overall environment. No prob.

a winner :)

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