The Comms Room

12:00 AM

Parition table, mbr, data, everything (from linux)

@Zoredache that's what I was thinking. Some thing that's under such rapid development is almost obsolete by first printing. Let alone 3+ years.

Zoredache

dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/disk bs=1M count=1

Adrian

@AaronCopley @Zoredache would be the preferred resource for all things Puppet, at least afaik.

Zoredache

@Adrian pfft, womble knows far more if you can find him online.

My understanding and usage is pretty basic.

Kyle Brandt

Heh, did dd in a loop over a lot of devices, that was fun

Mark Henderson

12:05 AM

Just found out why our UPS's were always going into buck mode. They were set to 220v instead of 240v

Goodbye un-nessesary alerts, hello longer battery life

freiheit

I can answer a lot of puppet questions too. Been using it about 4 years now, taught a few other people how to use it, gave a talk to my LUG a few years back, etc...

Zoredache

@KyleBrandt The text mode installer for 11.10, just created a software RAID10 in my VM fine.

all from the standard disk setup menu. No fuss, no muss.

Kyle Brandt

@Zoredache: Okay will try that, that is the alternate installer?

And is that an Ubuntu Server disk?

Zoredache

If your server/computer has network access I usually just get this disk. help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD

it has only the installer on it, and grabs everything else from the Internets.

I usually boot off that, when I am doing Ubuntu, and then pick command line from the menu. Then run through the setup.

Ward

@freiheit Me, too, my roommate 25 years ago was a racer and I read all his Velo News's.

Zoredache

12:12 AM

@KyleBrandt The RAID10 setup doesn't seem to let you choose the FAR options or any of the really neat/unusual things you can do with RAID10. It is just uses the default near 2 copies of every block choice.

Kyle Brandt

Eh, 8 SSDs should be fast enough in normal raid :-P

Ward

@WesleyDavid NOC Kitty is on the case!

(I like the Xerox printer...)

Zoredache

@KyleBrandt Ah, well if it is SSDs the near vs far won't make any differences. That feature is aimed at media where random access is slow.

Kyle Brandt

Writing the alternate install to usb now, hopefully that will work

Zoredache

Are you worried about a software RAID on SSD, and no TRIM support?

Kyle Brandt

12:16 AM

Nah, when they go, they go

These were the former SO DB server SSDs

Hopefully RAID 10 will keep things fine

Adrian

12:28 AM

Have the cretin that devised upstart deigned to document the damn thing yet?

Zoredache

@Adrian what is this documentation you speak of? Surely anyone who needs to know anything will just go look at the code.

Kyle Brandt

@Zoredache: It asks about the number of "active devices"

For an 8 disk raid 10, is that 8 or 4 active?

Zoredache

all 8 are active.

Kyle Brandt

No sure if "spare" means hot spare..

Zoredache

if it isn't active, then it is spare, then you have a disk just waiting around for something to fail.

as soon as it fails, the rebuild will happen onto that disk.

So you could choose 7 if you where paranoid.

and 1 spare.

Kyle Brandt

12:34 AM

@Zoredache: Okay, it is installing ... we will see how it goes

Still worried it is going to load this dmraid module and bork the array

Zoredache

why would it load dmraid, and how would that bork the array? Do you have a software RAID configured in bios?

Kyle Brandt

I don't, but it was still loading before and locking some drives with the other installer

I guess it can misread superblock for software raid or something like that?

Mdadm

mdadm is a Linux utility used to manage software RAID devices. The name is derived from the md (multiple device) device nodes it administers or manages, and it replaced a previous utility mdctl. The original name was "Mirror Disk", but was changed as the functionality increased. It is free software licensed under version 2 or later of the GNU General Public License - maintained and copyrighted to Neil Brown of Suse. Functionality Types of physical device mdadm can handle anything which presents to the kernel as a block device. This can encompass whole disks (/dev/sda), partition...

Zoredache

@KyleBrandt I have never seen that behavior, but I always make a point to disable any of the fakeraid features in the system BIOS. I suspect that prevents the feature from being detected and dmraid being loaded.

Kyle Brandt

I didn't see a "disable" there is the "mode" of groups of sata connectors, none of those have RAID, they are all IDE

Adrian

@Zoredache Of course. Using all my copious free time. =D

Zoredache

12:43 AM

@Adrian Free time? Do you like to believe all the myths?

Adrian

@Zoredache My point exactly. Of course, if the fucking Debian would keep up to date on the Puppet release levels, I'd have more free time.

Zoredache

@Adrian The version from backports is pretty recent

Scott Pack

Oh dear. My toddler came down from bath asking to watch Grey's Anatomy. This does not bode well for my future.

Kyle Brandt

Hmm... locked up at "Verifying DMI Pool Data......" again ... think this means Grub isn't loading

Zoredache

enable the squeeze-backports repository, pin puppet, puppet-common, and facter to use the squeeze-backports.

Adrian

12:45 AM

@Zoredache Yeah. Time to go fiddle with that. I got very used to having uniform versions of things.

Zoredache

It is at 2.7.6 at the moment.

Kyle Brandt

At first I set the BIOS into raid mode, wonder if that messed up the existing drives ...

Chris S

@MarkHenderson I used to live next door to someone named Chris when I was growing up as a kid. I was two years older, so I was Big Chris and he was Little Chris.

Kyle Brandt

Okay, moved the hard drive with the mbr to the top of the boot list for HD order in the BIOs .. maybe this will do it

Got my grub... keeping fingers crossed

Monitors went into power save :-/

Drives in the array are all flashing access though...

Oh, Ctrl-Alt-F1 gives a console

Jeff Ferland

Woohoo. I'm now ranked 200. My lazy ass is doing something.

... and I may not be here for career promotion, but I certainly intent to use the side-effects exactly for that.

Kyle Brandt

12:53 AM

Hmm... wonder if x is installed

Alternate installer doesn't install ubuntu-desktop apparently

Zoredache

That installer gives you an extremely bare-bones system. You get to add any additional stuff on your own.

Did you finally get it to boot?

Kyle Brandt

Looks like I am good!

Got it to boot

Zoredache

You should probably take the time to install grub to several of the disks, if you haven't already, and didn't know that. If you did, then please ignore me.

Kyle Brandt

Hm... its on my old disk

Pretty easy to fix that with an ubuntu disk isn't it?

Zoredache

Yes it is easy to fix with any old disk. Actually didn't the installer give you an option to select multiple disk to install grub to?

WesleyDavid

1:01 AM

I know what I need at the next meeting:

Zoredache

Or has Ubuntu hidden the option with their preseed.

Kyle Brandt

If it did I missed it

WesleyDavid

...and that's enough.

Adrian

Oy. Going to be hiring 90 new staff around here in the next 5 months. =0

Zoredache

IT/techical/dev staff, or more case-workers?

Adrian

1:04 AM

@Zoredache case workers. We'll get 1 more IT staff, rumor has. So at least we'll stay 1:150.

Jacob

Dear tech support, It's not complicated to setup a private network with SolusVM, therefore it shouldn't take an hour after being assigned

Adrian

Problem is that there's 5 Devs, so we keep getting told we're too fat to get more staff at 1:60.

Jacob

@WesleyDavid would you mind starting GTalk?

@Zoredache see revised message

Adrian

@Jacob You're taking all the fun out of the mockery sad clown

Zoredache

Ah, ok then. I thought you were asking what it was for a second.

Mark Henderson

1:14 AM

@Jacob If their tech support is anything like me, I ignore tickets that I dont want to do and leave them till last

(mainly cos I despise tech support and Im not meant to do it)

Jacob

@MarkHenderson It's not complicated I bet VGV8 could manage to do it :)

Chris S

@Zoredache Pft, all the cool kids have a Jabber server setup for their domain.

Zoredache

Google talk is XMPP, and it does work for my domain.

Chris S

@Zoredache Do they allow S2S now?

Zoredache

Sorry s2s?

Is that Federation? Then yes.

Chris S

1:20 AM

Server to Server communication, cross domain.

Yeah. Federation is the XMPP terminology. Sorry, I've been dabbling since it was called Jabber, so I'm still used to the old terminology.

Kyle Brandt

Hm... should I give unity a chance...

Zoredache

@KyleBrandt One of these days I am going to have to actually try Unity. I generally just stick to XFCE.

Chris S

Gnome FTW?

Scott Pack

I switched to XFCE when Gnome3 happened.

Chris S

I'm still on Gnome 2; I think they'll get there with Gnome3 someday, but yeah, rough isn't even the word.

Scott Pack

1:33 AM

Fedora switched to gnome3 wholesale on, I think, f15

Mark Henderson

Holy crap, our new Dell R710's use 1/10th the same power as our Dell 1950's

100Kwh/week versus 10kwh/week

There's the most financial sense I've ever seen in upgrading

Scott Pack

Think of the cooling!

Mark Henderson

Damn straight. Lower AC costs too to boot

And hugely increased runtime on our UPS's

Probably jump from 45 mins to over 2hrs

Scott Pack

Hopefully that's long enough to get your generator to turn over.

Chris S

@MarkHenderson When we went from DL380G3 to DL380G6 we saw power drop to 1/3 of what it was, and that was adding a MSA2300 SAN with MSA70 Drive Shelf. Worth hundreds per year, not huge but it makes the boss smile.

Mark Henderson

1:42 AM

@ScottPack We've only had to use the gennie once. It's only a small one, 15a @ 240v, but thankfully it worked. Pissed off the neighbouring offices though. Maybe because we had power and they didn't, but mainly because of the noise I think

@ChrisS And you get massively more powerful servers to boot

We pay 20c/kwh here so any electricity savings can add up to $$lot

Chris S

Everything is more expensive down under. =]

I think power here is somewhere around 5 or 6 c/kwh

Mark Henderson

@ChrisS Damn straight. I almost laughed all the way to the boss asking for the chequebook when I was speccing up some M600 blades... until I realised I was on the US site

@ChrisS You on Hydro power or something? Thats gotta be the only power source that cheap

Scott Pack

@Mark outside of tests I'm not sure when we last ran ours. Not sure how the businesses like the noise. The neighborhood is about half academic and half bars.

Mark Henderson

@ScottPack Our rational was "fuck them" - we need servers to make money. Deal with it.

Anyway it didn't last long, maybe 30 minutes. The UPS's probably could have handled the entire outage but we didn't bother risking it.

Scott Pack

I haven't heard any complaints.

Of course, I'm in another IT department, about half a mile away.

Mark Henderson

1:47 AM

@ScottPack I bet your wife doesn't say that

Scott Pack

I still don't hear them...

Chris S

Please enter a new password that is between 6 - 10 characters with at least one of the characters being alpha and one being numeric.

<-- Updating my password with the power company.. F*** YOU TOO. And thanks for taking security seriously.

Shane Madden

aaaaa1

High security!

Mark Henderson

@ChrisS Thats better than my (old) bank. Your password must be exactly 6 characters long and must consist only of A-Z and 0-9

Scott Pack

@Shane That's like 20 bits!

Mark Henderson

1:49 AM

@ChrisS Whenever I see those rules, I can only assume they're attempting to prevent SQL injection attacks by using the left() command

Chris S

@MarkHenderson Sorry, paying 13c/kwh, that includes and extra 1.5c for buying only green power.

Shane Madden

@MarkHenderson If I want my password to be p@ssw0rd';) DROP TABLE users;-- then it should work just fine! You should be hashing it before it's sent to the database!!

Scott Pack

Hashing is for pussies!

Chris S

@ShaneMadden It should be getting hashed before it's sent across the wire...

Scott Pack

I was going to check my electric rate, but my controller has already started processing the bill.

Shane Madden

1:54 AM

@ChrisS Well, then you're just pulling a Microsoft and making the hash a workable authentication token, without knowing the source password at all.

Chris S

@ShaneMadden Yes, but the cleartext password shouldn't be stored anywhere; so why even transmit it in the first place?

When setting my password I should be sending the MD5(username:realm:password). That hash gets stored in the DB. All this should be over an SSL connection, no excuse with free certs out there.

When I login I calculate URLHash = MD5(method:URL) then MD5(PasswordHash:nonce:URLHash)... Bam, secure as limited length MD5. =]

Shane Madden

@ChrisS Storing the auth token that's sent is bad - then the contents of a compromised database could instantly be used for malicious logins - no brute force or rainbow tables needed. If it's hashed pre-send, then it should be hashed again to be stored.

Chris S

nonce comes from the 401. Nothing to it really =]

Shane Madden

Ahh gotcha. I can support that ;)

Chris S

@ShaneMadden The hash only works for that realm (domain name in this case); so unless you're going to be creating a whole rainbow table for a specific target, the passwords would be useless elsewhere. It's effectively salted.

If someone wants to take the effort to create a whole rainbow table for each user (or maybe just one user) for a specific realm, there's really nothing you're going to do to stop them; they've already exerted monstrous effort to get that far... beating the user with a wrench would be much easier at this point.

Shane Madden

2:04 AM

Exactly - even a known salt is a good mitigation against rainbow tables. They're essentially brute forcing each hash individually at that point.

Chris S

And while MD5 is very broken for arbitrary lengths, if you have some reasonable password requirement (say 64 characters max) you'll be looking forever to find a collision (that isn't the actual password).

Shane Madden

Well, no reason not to use at least SHA1 these days anyway

Chris S

Also, if it sounds well thought out, I'm just regurgitating RFC 2069, MD5-Digest Authentication

Shane Madden

Haha, fair enough ;)

Chris S

But the RFC came out in 1997 and websites still don't have mildly reasonable authentication. I really pisses me off.

Jeff Ferland

2:08 AM

Hey, if we're going to do it right, use bcrypt or scrypt

Shane Madden

This is why I generate a different random password for every site.

Jeff Ferland

61

Q: Do any security experts recommend bcrypt for password storage?

On the surface bcrypt, an 11 year old security algorithm designed for hashing passwords by Niels Provos and David Mazieres, which is based on the initialization function used in the NIST approved blowfish algorithm seems almost to good to be true. It is not vulnerable to rainbow tables (since cre...

Chris S

MD5 isn't that much worse than SHA1 for these applications. Might as well wait for SHA3 at this point.

Kyle Brandt

2:53 AM

@Zoredache:

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A: Possible to get SSD TRIM (discard) working on ext4 + LVM + software RAID in Linux?

As of 2.6.37, it should be present (source). The kernel doesn't do it in the background, the block discard process is currently designed to be run on demand (cron script!). Dm-crypt support doesn't exist yet. On January 13th, 2011 a patch was merged into dm-raid1.c that reads: dm raid1: suppor...

Jacob

@MarkHenderson whats HICAPS?

Mark Henderson

@Jacob Its the system we have in Australia for charging private health insurance. You swipe a card from your health insurer, and then the HiCAPS charges Medicare for their portion, and interrogates your health insurer to see what you're covered for and what your rebate is, and then informs you what your gap payment is

It looks like any other EFTPOS terminal (Visa/Mastercard) you've ever seen in your life, but it operates quite differently

Jacob

@MarkHenderson not sure if thats better than here or not?

Mark Henderson

@Jacob I've no idea what you've got there, but this system sure is convenient (when it works)

Jacob

My insurance company canceled us because the company paid our portion with a company card and they didn't want to pay fees

Mark Henderson

3:07 AM

@Jacob health insurance in Australia is very heavilly regulated and they can't get away with any funny business

Also, we have universal health care, so most people don't even have health insurance

Health Care is useful for private hospitals (and they often just ship you to a public one if it gets too hard for them anyway), and "extras" like dental, massage etc

Jacob

@MarkHenderson the doctor/ Who ever takes your number and the insurer tells them your copay and what they'll pay.

@MarkHenderson Yeah not so much here, my dad( the president) called the broker and told him everything was canceled the next morning unless we had coverage. It worked

@MarkHenderson Lets say CP related treatments are expensive. Between Botox, rehab doctors, Baclofen, and other assorted treatments if I ever lost coverage I'd be screwed.

Mark Henderson

I don't doubt it. Doctors must love you :p

Adrian

3:22 AM

@ChrisS What's this new-fangled thing? Passwords that aren't plaintext? A passing fad, I'm sure.

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Mark Henderson

@Adrian How else will you fulfil this guys audit?

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Q: Our security auditor is an idiot, how do I give him the information he wants?

A security auditor for our servers has demanded the following within two weeks: A list of current usernames and plain-text passwords for all user accounts on all servers A list of all password changes for the past six months, again in plain-text A list of "every file added to the server from re...

security security-policy

Adrian

@MarkHenderson How else will my Devs be able to verify people's passwords...

They're lovely folks and great to work with most days, but they're so highly resistant to change that it makes me want to rig up an IV drip of dry martinis.

After all, who WOULDN'T want an IV drip of dry martinis?

Mark Henderson

@Adrian My liver

Adrian

@MarkHenderson My liver keeps its mouth shut if it knows what's good for it.

Chris S

4:00 AM

Someone with GTalk and a willingness to help debug around?

Jeff Ferland

4:10 AM

@ChrisS ... yeah, sure, I can't sleep

Chris S

send anything to chris@stoneyforest.net see if it gets through

I have't done any federation testing at all yet, so I'll be surprised if it works.

Jeff Ferland

@ChrisS That should have at least given you an auth request.

Chris S

I've got nothing yet... But like I said, not surprising

Hrm.. I must be missing something, there's nothing in the logs or anything.

Jeff Ferland

redacted@id.talk.google.com <-- that's my link to you

Jacob

@ChrisS Want another tester?

Chris S

4:23 AM

Message delivery to redacted@id.talk.google.com failed: Failed to deliver stanza to other server while connecting to other host: 209.85.225.125:5269: Invalid argument / 74.125.115.125:5269: Invalid argument / 173.194.76.125:5269: Invalid argument / 173.194.65.125:5269: Invalid argument / 209.85.147.125:5269: I (Code 502)

that can't be good

Jeff Ferland

Brb, rebooting

Chris S

@Jacob need a problem solver =]

Jacob

@ChrisS Fill me in?

Chris S

Got jabberd14 up and running, works great "internally" for c2s connectiosn.

Trying to get s2s (Federation) working now, so I can chat with other XMPP servers.

GTalk is open for Federation, but something's hosed in my configuration and it's not working

The above is the only lead I've got so far.

Jacob

@ChrisS I tried to add you same thing?

Chris S

4:29 AM

I haven't received anything

Jacob

@ChrisS waiting for auth

Chris S

hrm

Jacob

@ChrisS 2 (Remote Server Error) - Code 502 is used when delivery of an XML chunk fails because of an inability to reach the intended remote host or service. Specific examples of why this code is generated include a failure to connect to the remote host or resolve its hostname.

(google Fu has returned this)

Chris S

Unfortunately I knew that, just don't have the slightest clue why it's failing. =[

Mark Henderson

@ChrisS Uhh, because of an inability to reach the intended remote host or service. Duh.

Chris S

4:36 AM

Har har; laugh at the guy with the borked server =P

Mark Henderson

@ChrisS Well... if you insist...

Jacob

@ChrisS Telnet test time?

Shane Madden

SRV records out there?

(XMPP federation uses SRV records right? lol)

Chris S

Yep, SRV records configured and checked with a website tool.

Jeff Ferland

@ChrisS Fire up wireshark

sleep time

Jacob

4:48 AM

@ChrisS are you sure the ports open on any Firewall, telnets a no go

Adrian

@JeffFerland +1 for Wireshark. Cold hard packet capture beats conjecture any day. =)

Chris S

@Jacob yeah; do a dig +short -t SRV _xmpp-server._tcp.stoneyforest.net and try opening telnet to the host and port specificed (which should be aislynn.ext.stoneyforest.net 5269). Type any gook in and hit enter, it should return an xml error message.

Jacob

@ChrisS yeah, confirmed

Adrian

lol

Chris S

It's probably something stupid like one of my secondary DNS server hasn't got the latest zone file and Google just happens to be using that one.

Mark Henderson

5:00 AM

:3616403 I survived today just fine ;) 4pm here

Chris S

Why would leap year cause problems?

Jacob

@MarkHenderson Thats ok, last leap year my school system lost all the grades somehow( I think somebody fucked up very bad) anyhow there was ONE fucking backup from 2 months prior.

Chris S

Just turned over to the 29th here, 2 minutes ago anyway.

Adrian

Gah. I remember when the Great Timezone Change of 2007 happened. I had to pull an all-nighter because some mouth-breathing cretins decided not to apply that patch to a bunch of their Oracle instances.

Or their older Solaris boxen, for that matter.

Shane Madden

We had some stupid issues with blackberries and outlook appointments.. that was about it.

Mark Henderson

5:12 AM

@ShaneMadden I hate blackberries. I just won't suppor tthem. Full stop.

Adrian

Yeah, our incoming file loader shut itself down because oracle got out of sync and starting refusing the non-matching timestamps. 75,000 files/hour.

Shane Madden

Oh, did they implement the auto-recalc thing? I just got recalced

Mark Henderson

@ShaneMadden Not sure. If mine did change the last two digits stayed the same so I didn't notice

Shane Madden

I was on ****2 and ****7 for months, so the ****8 confused me

Jacob

@MarkHenderson My rep is the same

Mark Henderson

5:19 AM

@ShaneMadden

Feb 29 	moderator recalcs rep 	ScheduledController.ProcessPendingReputationRecalcs() old rep = 34392, new rep = 34318 by Community

Shane Madden

but it matches perfectly with serverfault.com/reputation now - so I assume they're implementing the auto-recalc. That or someone triggered a vote-fraud recalc on me.

Mark Henderson

You didn't lose too much

Shane Madden

Yeah not worried about it, that rep was on borrowed time anyway

Just was surprised by it - I've never had a recalc happen except when I've intentionally triggered it.

Mark Henderson

they dont usually happen

Pretty rare occuances, a network-wide recacl

Shane Madden

Yeah, I think it probably has something to do with the new rep-sync they're working on

Mark Henderson

5:23 AM

Yeah, makes it more "live" so when you lose the rep it goes straight away

Shane Madden

Which is good, because right now a lot of the disappearances of rep are just a mystery. Deleted stuff especially.

Chris S

Ok, my brain is fried for the night... I'm sure the server isn't even trying to open the outbound connection to the other servers, but I'm still not sure why.. I've eliminated a good chunk of the code as possible causes, but digging through C++ at 12:37AM isn't giving me warm fuzzies.

Chris S

5:52 AM

I should have guessed it would be something in the IPv6 code... Seems to work now. Yeah!

Miles Erickson

@MarkHenderson [retro comment] Don't ever let anyone tell you that universal health care sucks and people have it better in the USA. Our health care situation is utterly abhorrent. You can spend $500/month on insurance and still end up with hospital bills into the tens of thousands of dollars if an ambulance happens to take you to the "wrong" hospital, or if someone in an office decides you need to die in order for them to make their quarterly "loss prevention" bonus.

@MarkHenderson Which is basically to say, <envy>.

Lucas Kauffman

7:09 AM

stupid raspberry

@MilesErickson We have universal health care here in Belgium, and well for that matter almost all over europe :) it works really well and the myths that got spread in the states about long queues for treatments is quite wrong actually :)

We only pay a fee of 25 euro per doctor visit which is called a breaking fee to prevent abuse

Shane Madden

@LucasKauffman The health care discussion over here is pretty much dominated by fear-mongering - from both political parties.

And lobbyists.

Lucas Kauffman

I noticed :p

I think it's a bit like Michael More showed in Sicko

It's not a question of making money

it's a question of becoming disgustingly rich

Shane Madden

Well, that's pretty much all corporations

Lucas Kauffman

idk how much of that movie is true, I dont live in the US :p

Shane Madden

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A: Should I add more RAM or CPU on my server? How do I figure this?

The traffic spike goes up to 6 hits /sec for upto 20-30 mins if you consider 6 hits per second a spike you need a reality check. I would consider 6 hits per second a zero load situation. During the spikes the response time gets really bad and goes upto more than two minutes for the pag...

Cell phone server makes an appearance!

Lucas Kauffman

7:22 AM

I know but healthcare is about lives

Shane Madden

@LucasKauffman Yeah - and some of the major players (especially in hospitals) are not-for-profits or religious groups, so it's not all bad. But still, with as much artificial cost built into the system, prices sure aren't going down.

Lucas Kauffman

Idk I dont think I could sleep or enjoy my money if I knew it was because today I made a bonus because I made a kid not get his cancer treatment

@ShaneMadden U can always make a trip to Cuba :p

decent health care there

Shane Madden

Insurance companies with massive profit margins, pharmaceutical companies getting away with obscene margins on anything still under patent..

Lucas Kauffman

ah yes

patents

Shane Madden

Hah

Lucas Kauffman

7:25 AM

I think there is a very strict ruling about healtcare product patens here

Shane Madden

Well before I open the patents can of worms, I'm going to sleep ;)

Lucas Kauffman

especially medication

nighty night ^^

Im off to work :p

Shane Madden

Alright - have a good one!

Lucas Kauffman

tx :)

Chopper3

8:17 AM

The world's tallest tower (NSFW); theworldstallesttower.com

Morning all

Good morning

@Chopper3 My god

G'day

haha

hi

anyone get a raspberry pi then? both suppliers sold out as far as I can see

Kenny Rasschaert

8:23 AM

@Chopper3 I need another coffee, somehow missed the NSFW part

Iain

TomTom's phone returns serverfault.com/a/364769/9517

Bart De Vos

@Chopper3 "This isn't so bad" scroll "Keeps on going" scroll, scroll "More?" scroll "OhMyGOOOOD"

Kenny Rasschaert

Good thing there's only about 50 collegues with a direct line of sight to my monitor. phew

Bart De Vos

@KennyRasschaert Got to loven openspace :D

Kenny Rasschaert

@BartDeVos Can you feel the synergy in our open office environment? I sure can!

Iain

8:26 AM

and the distractions from everyone elses phones ringing and conversations :(

Bart De Vos

@Iain The Distractions are "OK" IMO. It's just that I'm always on High Alert for some reason here. I MUST do something valuable at all times

And, the Air Quality is so bad, I can't do any mentally challenging work in the afternoon.

Its just to hot/not enough oxygen.

Kenny Rasschaert

@BartDeVos Around racks, never relax.

Zoredache

@Iain TomTom sure tries to host lots of stuff on his phone.

Zoredache

8:49 AM

why the heck is there a different useradd and adduser on every linux distro. It is really annoying.

Lucas Kauffman

@Chopper3 nop I woke up this morning specially to get one, the sites were just DDoSed

also neither of the shops accept paypal

which was really annoying since I dont have a cc myself

Chopper3

I worked with William Lam from VMWare on a script over the weekend, he put loads of time into it for nothing - but I've found a bug, not one I can fix myself either - don't really want to bother the guy :(

Dan

Whelp, no Raspberry pi for me!

Chopper3

@LucasKauffman how do you mean no cc?

Dan

Signed up for notification on RS, as they apparently haven't started selling

Lucas Kauffman

8:52 AM

@Chopper3 credit card, cant have one in Belgium if you dont have a fixed incom

Bart De Vos

@LucasKauffman Couch Deutsche Bank Cough

Kenny Rasschaert

@LucasKauffman My KBC office gave me one when I was 17, and very much unemployed.

Bart De Vos

I've had one since I was 16 ;)

Lucas Kauffman

@KennyRasschaert I asked Fortis, and they told me to f** off :(

Chopper3

really? at the risk of sounding like a twat can't your parents get you one? I got my kids one each for emergencies

Bart De Vos

8:53 AM

@LucasKauffman Yeah, Fortis will do that to you :D

Chopper3

@BartDeVos Built their trading floor network in Frankfurt in '99 :)

Lucas Kauffman

@Chopper3 I hardly think raspberry pi is an Emergency :p

Kenny Rasschaert

@Zoredache AFAIK, the useradd is the same binary everywhere, and adduser is just an interactive script on Ubuntu and such.

Chopper3

@LucasKauffman haha :) very true

Bart De Vos

@Chopper3 Sounds like an awesome project :)

Zoredache

8:54 AM

@KennyRasschaert Ah, Ubuntu/Debian certainly didn't start that. adduser was an interactive script back on extremely early versions of Slackware.

Chopper3

@BartDeVos nah, it was really dull, they insisted on using cat 55's as they were a known product rather than the just launched 65's - banks are dull

Lucas Kauffman

but normally they will keep producing Rpi to meet the demand at the moment in both electronic stores, but still only 1 per person. After this month you can buy batches of them

@Chopper3 but those cables werent tested yet D:, oh wait it's just a cable...

Bart De Vos

@Chopper3 Typical Bank/Insurance stuff :)

Chopper3

@LucasKauffman although I do know that barcap are running 100GigE links in london - so that's not too boring

Lucas Kauffman

:p

btw @Chopper3 whats with the tower site, all I see is a blue page :(

Kenny Rasschaert

8:58 AM

lucky you

Chopper3