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4:00 PM
I posted this last night after the Evanpocalypse and got some useful info:
17 hours ago, by tombull89
Shopping tiem: Can anybody reccomend me a entry-level managed switch, preferably Cisco, for having a play about and learning to configure?
 
@Dan depends how much the GSM service is gonna cost :)
 
so how good is pfsense's vpn use?
 
@ChrisS ok, I'd have thought that would get closed as a shopping question
 
@tombull89 Chat is 'anything goes until you piss people off'
 
Dan
@voretaq7 Yeah - can probably get a PAYG sim and top it up with £5 every 3 months or so to keep it active.
 
4:00 PM
@Basil If it's reasonably scoped and it's like Vendor X vs Vendor Y, I think it's on-topic
 
Dan
Gotta dive out for five, but will read any more suggestions when I get back!
 
@ChrisS Well, SF.chat is at least. Other rooms flag kittens FFS.
 
so maybe offer the opportunity to add a tag, and mention that a storage tag on its own is almost never correct.
 
If it's something like, I have a latency sensitive application that must fall within these requirements blah blah blah, is FCoE a viable solution
 
@Basil If you're asking if a MSA8900 is appropriate for a 12 DL380G7 cluster running MySQL. Then no, that's shopping. But asking how to size a SAN, what metrics to look for; and how to measure/estimate the necessary metrics on a SQL server.. That'd be on topic. =]
 
4:02 PM
I'd say that's on-topic depending on what's contained in {blah blah blah}
 
@MDMarra well if it's not vendor X versus vendor Y but more "solution X with these features, versus solution y with those features" I'd be more sympathetic to it
@ChrisS right. Something that can be applied to more than just your one environment and particular vendor pissing contest :-)
 
@ChrisS So specifically, can you have the use of one tag recommend the use of an additional tag? And have the first one clarify that it's almost never used alone?
 
@Basil You can have that recommendation as the first line of the tag except so that people see it, but AFAIK, there's no method to force an additional tag
 
@Basil The only place that "forces" tags is the facebook.so mini-site, and the meta's.
 
Not interested in forcing, just recommending
ok, I guess I'll do a (ugh) meta post about this
 
4:06 PM
yeah, but that's not even on a dependency - it's "all questions must have one of this set of tags".
@MDMarra is right - the best general solution is noting it in the tag excerpt/wiki
 
Something like "We see you've used the tag, would you like to clarify with one of these other tags too?"
 
@Basil If we cleaned up "storage" it'd be easier to just blackhole it; then when people type that tag in it would simply suggest the existing "storage-*" tags
 
@Basil I'm sure if you want to add that recommendation to the tag wiki, one of us nice gentlemen will approve it. You'll get a +2 for it too :D
 
There's no way to ask for additional details or better tagging based on what tags the user has put in already. We've talked about it before, too lazy to find the links right now but I think Apache has been targeted in the past.
 
serverfault.com/a/364684/32986 <- seriously? I rep-capped from that today too?
sighs
@ChrisS sounds vaguely familiar
/me becomes slothful and unmotivated -- I can write dreck and get rep-capped.
 
4:09 PM
Speaking of answers, did I misunderstand what this guy was asking for?
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A: Where is tigervnc-server package in ubuntu 11?

AdrianIf you don't have a specific binary requirement for TigerVNC, you could try one of the other VNC packages. Especially if you don't want to manually update the packages manually. Running Aptitude should show you the available packages if you're connected to the Internet on that server. aptitude s...

 
@voretaq7 Isn't there a badge for outscoring the accpeted answer by 25 or something
You're pretty close to that
 
earned at least 200 reputation on 20 days . . . 13.3333333333333333% of the way to Legendary
@MDMarra I think there might be
 
@voretaq7 Where does it show that
 
Crazy questions today
 
allllllll the way at the bottom
 
4:10 PM
@Dan You have one less unanswered question. Let me know if that helps at all.
 
so far... so many days... so many questions...
 
You have a long way to go for populist, @voretaq7
 
@Adrian idk, I'm stuck on the fact that you said "manually update the packages manually." :-)
 
Only two days for me... sigh.
 
Until?
 
4:12 PM
 
two days of rep-cap
 
Dan
@jscott Thanks dude - bonus points for screenshots. I'll check it out tomorrow
 
19 days for me
 
@Adrian and their comment confuses and infuriates me.
@MDMarra yeah, I'm pretty much never getting that badge :-)
 
@voretaq7 I'm thinking that I answered it and he didn't actually read all of the answer and decided to complain about not answering it in the comment.
 
4:14 PM
but I can dream of Legendary :P
@Adrian I'm thinking he doesn't know what he wants. But that's because after reading the comment I don't know what he wants
"Take 10 steps back from the keyboard, take 10 deep breaths, walk in a circle counterclockwise three times, then clockwise once, step back to the keyboard and try again."
 
Do you have Epic yet?
 
(And I'll KNOW if you didn't actually do the walking in circles bit!)
@MDMarra idunno. checks
nope
<- is not epic
<- just regular loot.
<- the copper coins the dragon drops when you kill it.
sniffle
 
Last I checked, Chop, womble, and EA were the only ones with it
 
yup. I need 30 more days for epic
which will put me 33.3333333333333% of the way to Legendary :-)
 
@voretaq7 Well, I popped a comment in there in response. We'll see what kind of response it gets. If he starts shouting we'll know he's not got a clue.
 
4:23 PM
@voretaq7 44 more for me to get to Epic.
 
Just flagged this for a historical lock (or regular close) serverfault.com/questions/261869/…
 
. . .
minix 3.2.0 is announced! see https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/minix3/LZvqtjhMTas
 
AWESOME! Been waiting for that!
 
^ ^ ^ HOLY FUCK, Minix is still developed??
 
WHERE"S MY HURD!?
 
4:26 PM
@voretaq7 Dude still teaches... yes, it's improved every semester.
 
@jscott in the pasture.
@ChrisS it's a teaching OS. It's supposed to be shit so students have stuff to do. You can't keep developing it!
That would be like making DOS have virtual memory and 64-bit address space!
 
@voretaq7 ive waited so long for that
 
. . . oh . . . wait . . . Windows NT. OK, Carry on.
 
@voretaq7 You've never looked at some piece of script or code you did in the past and though of a "better" way of doing the same thing without making it more complicated?
 
MINIX (from "mini-Unix") was first released in 1987 lol two year before I was born.
 
4:27 PM
@MDMarra Actually, that kind of sucks for us. We have no plans to move to Windows currently but we want VMWare.
 
@tombull89 you're young. I thought I was young
 
@tombull89 you youngin.
<-- 81
 
@tombull89 holy crap you're young
@PeterGrace same here; must be a good vintage
 
@Adrian There's a web console, but it's not as full-featured
 
nod
 
4:28 PM
@ChrisS we definitely get better with age!
 
Jacob, Virginia Beach, VA
3.2k 6 19
 
You really need at least one Windows workstation to manage it from and certain things like VMWare Update Manager are Windows only
 
/\ he's 16.
 
@MDMarra If it can't do the failover and storage stuff, I'll likely not be happy with it.
 
@tombull89 And it tends to show. =]
 
4:28 PM
@Adrian TBH, I don't know what it can and can't configure
 
Damn. He's not much older than my kids.
 
I suppose your Primary Site is SU.... should have been a clue.
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@MDMarra Yeah, and the question WAS closed as too localized.
 
@ChrisS Shut it, grandad.
 
heh... OK, I'm going to take a deep breath and try to compile 3.2.8 for my samsung phone.
I'm feeling... brazen.
 
4:30 PM
@Adrian I remember seeing something about an unofficial ruby app to replace the vsphere client on linux
 
@PeterGrace Nah, you're just a regular hussy.
 
Can't remember where, though
 
@Adrian Haha. I'm inviting all forms of interfacing.
 
@ChrisS not without a total rewrite, no :)
 
But there's no "official" way to do everything without at least a couple of Windows boxen
 
4:30 PM
Usually when I revisit code it's to add more crap to it
@Adrian VMWare is the Honey Badger of Linux development. They really don't give a shit about us.
They hate Mac users too.
 
@voretaq7 I'm pretty sure nobody actually gives a shit about Linux Development. They're perfectly happy to pretend we don't exist.
I'm not going to bother telling my boss this yet though. At least not until after I get my free breakfast tomorrow at the VMWare sales presentation.
 
They did just put out a vCenter virtual appliance that's basically stripped down SLES
So you don't need a Windows box for vCenter any more
 
Ugh. Yet ANOTHER distro? That will put me up to 5.
 
It's an appliance, though
You don't actually interact with the OS under it
Much like the VMWare service console is a stripped down RHEL install, but you never see it
 
@MDMarra True. I suppose that's what support contracts are for. I've kind of forgotten what it's like to have those.
 
4:34 PM
@Adrian I'M MAKIN' WAFFLES!
 
@voretaq7 Ah, waffles. My Ex got that too. I miss my waffle maker...
 
Mmm, waffles.
I made pancakes for my sons this morning
chocolate chip.
 
You're a good father
 
until they also get diabeetus like me
 
Then you're a great father
 
4:36 PM
hahaha
 
Wait, that's not how that goes
 
Mmmm, made Belgian Waffles two weekends ago... sooooo gooooood
 
I haven't had a good waffle in a long time =/
 
@PeterGrace well, on the bright side you get an AWESOME cat!
also, in searching google images for diabeetus cat, this image was my favorite:
 
4:53 PM
WUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUB
 
no dubstep, please for the love of god
 
Dan
I'm still laughing at the dubstep cats
 
I found zelda dubstep yesterday
it was...actually kinda good
 
5:18 PM
Crappy laptop is crappy
 
@voretaq7 Holy shit, it's what's-his-name
 
@MikeyB wilford brimely
 
ObRant: fucking idiots at FedEx: fedex.com/…
@TylerShads Link?
 
@TylerShads and he has diabeetus.
@MikeyB HEYYYYYYY! IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE SHIPPING A PACKAGE!
 
@voretaq7 No, today I'm the bottom.
 
5:26 PM
Someone put googly-eyes on that.
 
@voretaq7 Why? It's not a sock.
 
But it is a Clippy wannabe
 
@Iain I'll say yes.
 
/me recuses himself
 
5:32 PM
@Iain I'd say yes as well
 
Well that's good enough for me although someone also thought it was NC for some reason
 
Crap, I don't have my cracking cd on me....
 
@Holocryptic BLASPHEMER!
 
If anything, I could see the lamp one being called NARQ, because it's just so freaking big. The rhel5.5 one is specific enough that it could be written up.
 
@TylerShads yeah, yeah...
 
5:35 PM
@ScottPack Yeah, but how much specific RHEL 5.5 stuff is there?
 
Sanity check: does this make sense to anyone else?
http://serverfault.com/a/364957/84104
 
@84104 Specific to 5.5 as opposed to 5.4? Or RHEL5 compared to FreeBSD? The concepts are pretty much the same, but the specifics could be different. Compare the CIS guides, for example.
 
@ScottPack For me, your answer to the LAMP one is the canonical Securing Linux answer
 
@ScottPack Ah, but FreeBSD isn't L AMP.
Markdown. -_-
 
5:38 PM
@Iain Link?
 
@84104 Then Ubuntu versus RHEL.
@84104 It actually sort of does. On modern enterprise switches they'll have special DHCP blocking fiddly bits (think dhcpsnooping for Cisco)
 
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A: Tips for Securing a LAMP Server

Scott PackDavid's answer is a good baseline of the general principles of server hardening. As David indicated, this is a huge question. The specific techniques you take could depend highly on your environment and how your server will be used. Warning, this can take a lot of work in a test environment to bu...

 
@Iain Good. I've been able to do a fair bit of rep riding on that one.
 
@ScottPack Yeah, but that's for dhcp relay/forward or whatever they call it and is for getting packets to different subnets.
 
@84104 no, it sucks less :-)
 
5:40 PM
@ScottPack But is that fair to the community in regards to rep mobility? </Evan>
 
@84104 Oh, no. You're thinking of the IP Helper stuff. The dhcpsnooping is used for detecting and blocking rogue DHCP servers.
 
@ScottPack Ah, alright then.
 
@Holocryptic Fuck the community. I'm here for professional advancement, bitches!
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I'm thinking of fitting a Rasperry Pi inside an actual lamp
 
nice
 
5:41 PM
@ScottPack My mind says "ambitious whore".
 
@84104 Yeah, the Helper Addresses (or whatever the technical name is) contains a list of typically broadcast protocols, and will translate a broadcast into a unicast. DHCP is the best use of it, really.
@84104 Tomato....potato....
 
@ScottPack I was talking all the words literally.
 
DHCP Snooping on Cisco is pretty odd nowadays. It was originally implemented to detect and block DHCP servers on non-approved ports (e.g. an OFFER coming in from a user port as opposed to an uplink). Now it's used as the base framework for all manner of auto-detection and remediation fiddly thingies.
@84104 Good man. :)
 
uh oh a new version of dwarf fortress is out
 
5:59 PM
@Aaron That's bigist
 
@Aaron I don't want to know. I'm still working on the Lego Xbox games, mkay?
 
bigist?
 
Umm, if you're running Oracle, don't you necessarily HAVE to have a support contract?
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Q: oracle 11g seems to die every 2 days, how can i debug what's happening?

nick humphreyI installed oracle 11g on ubuntu 11.10, but it seems that every couple of days I'll get to work and the database isn't running but the listener is. To fix it, all I have to do is login and start it up: su - oracle cd /path/to/oracle11g/bin ./sqlplus sys as sysdba startup; exit and then everyt...

 
@Adrian I liked lego star wars on PS2
 
@Adrian No, not exactly
 
6:02 PM
@Aaron I'm not fond of the flying levels. Vastly prefer Lego Pirates of the Caribbean.
 
@Adrian We have a big old systemwide Oracle contract covering 23-24 campuses. Individual students can run it on their workstations, etc etc. But each campus only has a few actual support contacts.
 
@freiheit ah. An educational license, that makes sense. I guess I assumed that 'work' meant commercial use, which is a stupid assumption.
 
I knew they did Batman and Indiana Jones, I must have missed the memo about the pirates one
 
@Adrian you have to pay for the license to obtain a license, then you can apply for a support license license
 
@TylerShads Never had to deal with that crap personally. I was always supporting apps that ran on top of it.
 
6:05 PM
@TylerShads I love oracle :)
 
CUPS gurus!
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Q: Change CUPS default printer error policy

ewwhiteI run CUPS printing on a number of multiuser Linux application servers. The systems are RHEL or CentOS version 4, 5 or 6. Starting the EL5, the CUPS print server defaults to an error policy that basically disables the printer when there's an error or interruption (USB cable disconnect, network er...

 
@voretaq7 Oracle isn't bad. Pure Oracle DBAs who don't do anything else annoy me since they always seem to have their head in the sand about anything outside the Oracle install directories.
 
@Adrian the disctinction between "commercial" and "educational" can be a fine line. The educational institution I work for owns a for-profit corporation, for instance.
 
Oracle offered us such a drastic reduction in maintenance on our old sun tape system that we didn't replace it this year
 
@Adrian Oracle is a lawnmower :)
 
6:08 PM
they're getting desperate
 
@ewwhite Interesting. I've never run across that one before. If it's still around tomorrow I'll check into it when I get back to the office.
 
@Basil That's not desparation.
They moved you from the gang-rape tier to the regular-rape tier
 
@voretaq7 sigh WTF is that meme about anyway?
 
Anyone else feel like weighing in?
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Q: Origin of Spam Email

user1188421I'm running Ubuntu with POSTFIX and I have spam mail continually trying to be sent out. I have blocked it all from the email server that they are going out on and now they are just continually being queued up. The server is running php/mysql with a number of websites on it. How can I tell where t...

 
6:10 PM
@voretaq7 Our tape system is venerable, and they gave us 90% off the price we paid last year...
 
BASIL!
 
@Basil which you paid for how many years? :)
 
@Holocryptic yes?
 
@BartSilverstrim Does StackOverflow understand that SF is for professional IT?
Sorry, that was a bit snarky. Not gonna delete it though.
@voretaq7 Thanks. I hadn't gotten around to watching that one yet. The presentation's pretty good.
 
@voretaq7 it came off a long maintenance contract last year and they bought a 1 year extension for entirely too much money, imo
 
6:12 PM
@Basil Just sayin hey
 
@Holocryptic hai
 
Also, I have a "tentative" movie date next week. It really is the end of the world.
 
@Adrian There are SF people who don't know it's for professional IT.
@Holocryptic Did you just come up with a list and have your hand hold up which finger it wanted to watch?
 
@Holocryptic horrors
 
@BartSilverstrim That's just because they haven't read the FAQ. The Hammer of Loving Persuasion would fix those folks.
 
6:14 PM
@BartSilverstrim a list of what?
@voretaq7 the end of the world, or that some girl is crazy enough to meet with me?
 
@Holocryptic Movie dates are over-rated for anything before a 3rd date. Conversation is key for a 1st or 2nd date.
 
It's like that scene in Big Bang Theory when they're all making fun of Penny's date to his face...
Adrian, you weren't supposed to bring that up.
 
@Adrian Yes, well, I figured I just wanted to meet her first.
 
@BartSilverstrim Ah. Sorry.
 
@Holocryptic ...you never met her?
 
6:16 PM
@BartSilverstrim nope
 
Is this another of Chopper3's jokes?
He's just going to meet you somewhere and bash you in the head with an HP blade.
 
nope. It doesn't involve coke
 
@Holocryptic A implies B
 
@voretaq7 yeah, pretty much
 
yeah I strongly advise against movies for dates
@BartSilverstrim There's no I in Justice League ?
 
6:18 PM
 
@Aaron And if it is a movie date, something fun like the Muppet Movie.
 
Meh. We'll see what happens. Worst case, nothing.
Besides. I haven't been on a date in years. I'm not exactly smooth operator here.
 
Make the lady laugh and she'll think a 2nd date might work
 
@Holocryptic I have an idea for even worst cases...but i think it's a little NSFW
 
@Holocryptic incorrect, worst case is it's a man
 
6:20 PM
I roofie myself
 
@Holocryptic no, they involve removal of extremeties
 
@Adrian That doesn't mean he's supposed to pull down his pants on the first date.
 
Shit, she can have my kidneys. I'm done with those fuckers
 
Thats the internal
 
@holocryptic Show her yur mad skillz at makin' VM's from ISO imagez!
Bitches love VM's.
 
6:22 PM
Quote 99 problems to her
 
haha
 
VMware just stabbed me in the face with IO latency
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I hatehatehatehate when I write out a good answer and then the OP says "Well, that wont work because of $UnmentionedDesignConstraint"
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Q: How to make an internal SMB share available outside of the firewall using an intermediate server

Daniel MošmondorEnvironment: Windows 2008 Server at Data Center 1 - call it Server A Another Windows 2008 Server at DC 2, call it Server B Fiber link dynamic IP client, connected via VPN to Server B, call it Client A Client A wants to see shared drives from Server A. Server A can't allow everyone through th...

 
Wow we're stingy with the votes today
 
are we - I've cast a bunch
 
6:31 PM
@voretaq7 That Bryan Cantrill presentation is awesome.
 
Does everyone else's avatar list have pfo on a line by itself?
 
Can someone take a look at the comment he just left on my answer to that? It doesn't make any sense to me. I think he just doesn't understand what DFS does
 
@Aaron nope
 
Interesting, I resize the window and it flows, but that one is just there by itself
 
@Adrian are you up to the lawnmower part yet? :)
 
6:33 PM
@voretaq7 I don't think so.
 
you'll know
 
That fixed itself
 
did you get to "Sun had a political model like Somalia"?
 
@voretaq7 No. I'm only 12 minutes in and enjoying it too much to fast forward.
 
yeah that's like 15 minutes in
 
6:41 PM
Dammit. I just fixed a leap year bug in my code. Take a shot, all y'all.
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@MikeyB ::smacksmacksmacksmacksmack::
 
@voretaq7 It's kind of subtle:
  # Parse out the datetime for the log entry
  timestamp = datetime.strptime(line[0:15], "%b %d %H:%M:%S")
  timestamp = timestamp.replace(year = datetime.now().year)
 
@MikeyB Dammit... Am I missing some Comms Room/Leap Year drinking game today?
 
@AaronCopley Nope you made it just in time.
 
@MDMarra No he doesn't understand, but I'm not explaining.
 
6:46 PM
I just drew a picture
If that doesn't work, he can suck it
 
Sweet.
 
@MDMarra MSPaint?
 
Visio, unfortunately
 
It's Anything Can Happen Leap Year Day
 
Ward and I are here. Your complaint is invalid.

=)
 
6:49 PM
@MDMarra It's pretty.
 
So another admin moved this nice big 8 processor 1TB on like... 12 drive? system from real Linux to Linux in VMWare... and I can now move an astonishing 5MB/s to the disk. Yup. That's my write speed.
 
@84104 Did you see his latest comment?
Apparently Server A collects several TB of data daily, so he can't replicate
Sounds like he just has a horribly architected setup
 
@MDMarra You take that back. Visio is the monster frogging bomb.
 
6:51 PM
@WesleyDavid Be that as it may, it's no mspaint
 
@MDMarra Punch hole in firewall or make client use VPN.
I'm agreeing with you.
@JeffFerland That's because it's not in the cloud. /troll
 
@MDMarra Etch-a-Sketch or DIAF.
 
@Adrian oh god, the oracle part of the talk. Now I'm laughing at my desk :D
 
@MDMarra I wonder if to large to replicate means too large to backup.
 
I just told him to fuck with samba proxy in samba4 but dont expect it to work right
 
6:55 PM
@MDMarra he also notes that he see that you'll edit my question until it fits your answer :)
 
and that he should just let people connect directly to the source server if he cant replicate all that
 
@84104 No, other way around... it moved into the cloud and it developed performance from 2002, not 2012.
 
@JeffFerland I was trying to be cute about the difference between cloud and virtualized. I failed apparently.
 
@84104 Wait, you're supposed to backup Cloud© data? I thought the Cloud© took care of that.
 
@MDMarra STAB STAB STAB
 
6:59 PM
@MikeyB Seriously. What the fuck could he need it to work that way for? I can't think of anything other than a shitty design to work around a shitty policy.
 

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