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4:01 PM
Cthulu
 
@JeffFerland I automatically fear people who invoke the name of god to a conversation that had nothing to do with deities.
 
is that real code?
 
Would Brainfuck count?
 
@PeterGrace Link to the project?
 
@BartSilverstrim agreed, it's a "Logic Bunt" right
 
4:02 PM
Most of his stories are...
 
Checking
I swear I saw one on freshmeat once
Damn, foiled again.
OK, I swear I've heard of cthulu as a project name but now I'm coming up zeros on google, which is a good sign I am full of shit.
as an aside: when did freshmeat.net become freecode.com? :/
guess my freshmeat.net shirt is a collectors item now
 
It looks like Cthulhu Software used to be a company that made Mac software. But their website is a little less than useless now.
 
I vaguely recognise the memory of a cthulu icon for a project
 
Windows may well be inspired by Lovecraftian lore.
 
@ScottPack talking of mac software I DO like the app store for macs, I wanted to edit an audio clip before (from the tim and eric movie) and just a few keystrokes later I'd downloaded a tool to do it - no potential for viruses, no registering to pay for it etc. just click and it was there in seconds
 
4:05 PM
@PeterGrace Better than the "Sugary Pee" one you got after your medical checkup?
 
@BartSilverstrim Isn't windows more like the coding equivalent of 'Apocalypto'?
 
@BartSilverstrim I gotta tell you, metformin can go die in a fire.
@bartsilverstrim been liquid for the past 24+ hours now. Sucks.
 
Someone's not as sweet as he was before the treatment, I see.
 
@PeterGrace You haven't had solid food in a day?
 
4:06 PM
@BartSilverstrim Sometimes it's prudent to invoke his protection of one's sanity from the stupidity of the lusers.
 
beer?
 
I wish I had known, I would have dedicated the delicious soft pretzel w/ spicy brown mustard that I just ate to you and your bravery.
 
@Chopper3 I haven't fiddled with it very much. I came across an app that said it was on the Apple download page, which has gotten redirected to the AppStore, which didn't have that app. That was not a very good first experience. :-/
 
hmmm
 
@BartSilverstrim Only green. You don't want them to be seeing traces of red jello whilst rotor-rooting your booty.
 
4:09 PM
CHERRY JELLO!
 
@Chopper3 What devs do need is a way to "grey out" apps for users that are trying to download them on incompatible devices. Games are a big one where there's always a huge list of unsupported computers
 
CHERRY ALL THE JELLOS!!
Or BLUE jello.
 
Glad to see my uber paint skillz were appricated.
 
dammit I hate the fact that all my storage lives on a decrepit POS spawn of a refugee from the late 90s. 1 single damn rsync at 11MB/s brings the network to a halt and 110 people can't get anything done until it's finished.
 
...on the server, or the network?
 
4:15 PM
network. everything mounted off a single NFS server.
 
Cant you ionice it or something?
 
hiss! ionice
 
@MDMarra Sure, but then it takes all day.
 
@Adrian --bwlimit=KBPS #limits I/O bandwidth usage
 
@ewwhite back to your cavern, gremlin
(do gremlins live in caverns and hiss?)
 
4:17 PM
I think gremlins do whatever the hell they want
 
Sysadmins do.
 
@JeffFerland Exactly. That's what I end up doing. And takes all day. And I get glassy-eyed stares when I mention things like amortization and capacity planning.
 
@Adrian what industry do you work in?
 
Non-Profit. Which is the punchline for my little diatribe, I suppose.
 
@Adrian Ah, crap. That's usually the sysadmin who doesn't understand those words. It's a darker day when management doesn't get it.
 
4:18 PM
Apologies to all those who don't want to hear me bitch.
 
We all need to bitch sometimes. It's the foundation of serverfault chat.
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:%s/need to/need to be a/ There, I fixed that for you
 
This is the place where we're supposed to nod knowingly and frown in shared exasperation while Chopper dispatches a ninja hit squad for the big cases.
 
@BartSilverstrim Actually, I think that's the mortar. The foundation seems to be "ALL THE THINGS" meme posters. Bitching keeps us from turning into... well, that.
 
Dan
Right y'all, as I actually intend to go running tonight I'm going to roll out
Laters!
 
4:21 PM
why do people call for someone, then if they're not there, say they'll just email them?
Why not...email them to begin with?
 
@BartSilverstrim Laziness. Pure laziness. As one who's an egregious offender....
 
@BartSilverstrim I've found talking to somebody is often quicker and easier way to get something done, whereas an email can be a big scary black hole with no work output or responses.
 
I've found that phone calls are a great way of not being able to cover your own ass.
Whereas email is something I can print out and say, "SEE!? YOU SAID THIS RIGHT HERE!"
 
@BartSilverstrim I usually like to do both.
 
And the phone calls are a great way of interrupting someone.
 
4:23 PM
The phone call to get them to actually do it now, as opposed to never, and an email to document the request.
@BartSilverstrim /me touches his nose
 
That seems to be the only benefit. Interrupting someone.
But...then I dislike them for interrupting me.
 
I've got a 3 minute request that you will either do if I call, or never get around to if I send an email. Hmm
 
Well, you're dealing with people who are jerks then :-)
I get something in email, 99% of the time I keep it there until I get it done.
They're hot reminders.
 
Heh. I tell everyone that visits me that they need to file a ticket, or at least tell their assistant afterwards.
 
We're talking about IT. Of COURSE I'm dealing with people who are jerks. :)
 
4:27 PM
@MDMarra No, my excretiatory system is not exactly behaving.
 
Well, that seemed random.
 
"excretiatory"?
 
20 mins ago, by MDMarra
I wish I had known, I would have dedicated the delicious soft pretzel w/ spicy brown mustard that I just ate to you and your bravery.
 
@MDmarra lol.
@wfaulk I've got the shits, ok?
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@PeterGrace And we wonder why more womens don't hang out here...
 
4:28 PM
I tried to tiptoe around it!
 
@PeterGrace apparently, smaller words work better for @PeterGrace
 
Well, don't step in it.
he's got da' poopers...
 
trots
 
Oh, excretory.
 
"Shit! I meant excretory!"
 
4:29 PM
whatever. So I tossed a few extra letters in there. They're just going to come out as liquid shortly anyway.
 
Well, the tone of this conversation just went down the crapper.
 
BRING ON THE POOP JOKES
 
Um...why was ethabelle downvoted here? Was it wrong? Because it sounded accurate to me...
 
@PeterGrace Well this is making for a crappy morning.
 
@PeterGrace Windows ME!
 
4:30 PM
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Q: If an AD user is disabled and another user has full access to their mailbox, will they still be able to access the mailbox?

LunizWVUIn Exchange 2010, if an AD user is disabled but another user has access to their mailbox, will they still be able to access the mailbox or does that user need to remain enabled for this functionality to work?

 
Evidently someone did not like my answer to that :(
 
I'd upvote, but that would threaten my career...whatever evan said.
 
As a previous exchange 2010 administrator I can confirm her answer.
 
Yeah, that works
 
@Ethabelle Oh I didn't think you answered things on here? I suppose Bart's got to at least cover the basics of his alt-char
 
4:32 PM
Thanks. I thought it was right...
 
Disabling a user's AD credentials in no way affects their mailbox, and they will continue to receive e-mail on it.
 
... and @Ethabelle rides the rep-avator
 
I know you can even remap mailboxes if you want.
 
Well, that is a little more tricky
it's smarter to assign Send-on-Behalf-Of to the alternate mailbox
 
@PeterGrace Noted :3 !
 
4:33 PM
Evan!
 
so that you can mount either mailbox.
 
@ewwhite I HAVE A PRESENT FOR YOU! Get excited!
 
Uh oh...
 
...I am SOOOO biting my tongue right now.
 
THE HECK ACER. They only gave me half of..
facepalm
 
4:34 PM
half a facepalm? Isn't that a slap in the face?
 
@Chopper3 Are you implying my DID is a 20-something female jr. sysadmin? Because if I had DID I'd hope my other personality would at least be captain of his own space ship by now.
 
Talking of space ships imagine being Richard Branson - dude owns a frickin space ship, bet he's beating chicks off his dick with a shitty stick
 
@Chopper3 Did not need that mental image.
 
Thinking Chopper, as an independent freelancing consultant, is able to drink whenever he wants from his command center lair, and when he does, he visits SFChat.
 
But now I have it. Hurray internterwebbertruck.
 
4:38 PM
anyone play SWTOR in Europe? I want to start a guild called 'Dobis PR'
 
@84104 EVERYONE needs that mental image. Starred.
 
Umm @Ethabelle, you've kinda left us hanging on the line here....
 
She's giving ewwhite something.
 
@BartSilverstrim I have already had what we in my family call an 'Early Retirement' - 1/3rd pint of 'Um Bongo', 1/3rd pint white rum, 1/3rd pint cava - so you're right!
 
4:39 PM
Maybe I'll get to meet you sometime before I die.
 
If we do I promise you we'll steal a fire truck ok
 
You drive and it's a deal.
 
This applies for you guys too:
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Q: Attend DEFCON this year, get a free beer from me

Jeff FerlandIt's the first annual Security.SE DEFCON meetup! It's your excuse to go this year! DOOO ITTTT

 
HA HA Vegas, right?
I'm told I'm going there in two years.
 
ooooo I'm thinking of going there
 
4:41 PM
DEFCON is in vegas this year?
 
yes
 
@BartSilverstrim Ironically I'm not allowed there again for two more years
 
:)
 
mmm
 
@PeterGrace every year
 
4:41 PM
@Chopper3 ...not allowed?
 
I likey vegas.
Chopper3 is on the watch list.
 
@BartSilverstrim wife-time ban
 
I get to go in two years...I get to go in two years...
@Chopper3 Oh.
Meet you there in two years :-)
Probably be in early July.
 
Reno's sluttier
 
pretty much
 
4:42 PM
I'm holding out for LISA in 2014. Essentially it'll be in-town then. Too bad they had to schedule it during Seattle's month of shittiest weather.
 
@adrian...no comment.
 
Seattle has good weather?
 
@Ethabelle - Meet me on IRC!
 
...no comment.
 
@Holocryptic About 3 weeks in July or August.
 
4:43 PM
Although I get the feeling that if I met with Chopper in Vegas I'd end up getting arrested or handcuffed to a hooker.
 
@Adrian sounds fantastic
 
haha.
 
@BartSilverstrim Bart, remember to put your Ethabelle hat on when you're IRCing with ewwhite
 
@ewwhite you and @Ethabelle irc nuts like me?
 
@BartSilverstrim If it's an undercover, you could tackle both at once.
 
4:44 PM
<--- pgrace on efnet, freenode, slashnet, esper, etc, etc, etc.
 
Company internal chat.
 
@Holocryptic The sun came out for about 5 hours yesterday. I'm surprised nobody died from fright.
 
@ewwhite oh.
 
...did ewwhite, working in the same place as ethabelle, just use the public chat on SF to tell his underling to meet him on the internal chat system?
 
@Adrian I had a layover in Seattle in October. It was cloudy...
 
4:45 PM
At least he didn't call her on the phone.
 
Acer... sent me the stands that I wanted, but only the back part.. not the whole stand. o_o;
So ... it hooks to the back, but .. it can't stand.. without the rest of the base.
>_> Calling them again, yay.
 
same shit everywhere except maybe logitech
 
At least he didn't send an e-mail about the e-mail being down!
 
morning suckers
 
@PeterGrace Had that happen... Except it was the Outlook servers.
 
4:47 PM
I'm at home.
 
@Aaron hey
 
@Lucas I e-mailed Price Pfister, a subsidiary of a very large company in america, Stanley/Black and Decker. I let them know their faucet had a defective drain and I wanted to know what the fix was. I told them I bought 3 of the faucets. They e-mailed me and said "No problem, new replacement parts en route!" What'd they send? A single drain.
 
@Ethabelle Duct tape
 
@Holocryptic You're running outlook as a server? Thar be yur problem...
 
@BartSilverstrim 0_o You don't?
 
4:48 PM
Nope!
 
Outlook == client, Exchange == server. He's getting you on words.
 
@Holocryptic And that's about what you can expect Labor Day through July 5th. Folks with depression issues need not apply.
 
@JeffFerland I know... That's why it's funny...
 
@PeterGrace I had the same with logitech, I had a defective joystick, 6 years old, asked what fixing would cost, they send me their latest generation of that type for free :p
 
Know what I find weird? My cellphone has 28 partitions.
 
4:50 PM
@Holocryptic Thought it might be a morning brainfart.
 
@Lucas wow, win.
 
@JeffFerland Not on my part :)
 
@PeterGrace best thing is they also did it for my G15 keyboard and G35 headset :p
 
4:51 PM
I have the previous version of that.
 
I like that one, but dont have the cash to buy it :('
with the pedals
and the screens :o
 
$100 isn't too bad when you account that the freakin' games cost $60
 
How long before @voretaq7 answers this?
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Q: How are you using FreeBSD's ports in a large environment?

vpeterssonI'm curious to how people are deploying FreeBSD's ports in their environment. I assume that most people using FreeBSD are indeed using Ports (and often portupgrade for upgrading with binaries). I am however interested in how you have this setup, as I'm not satisfied with how things work in recent...

 
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4:52 PM
whoa, saitek has full instrument panels?
 
Where IS he, anyway? I've gotten rather used to him being here around the clock.
 
vibrate
 
@PeterGrace I wonder how MS Flight is going to be
 
Hasn't it already been released?
 
yea a time ago
like gauges not instrument pannels pannels
with switches
wait let me find it
 
4:53 PM
...I've been refreshing the question and his answer hasn't appeared...
 
Release date(s) February 29, 2012[1]
 
ah nice
 
HOLY SWEET JESUS
 
its a bit expensive tho
 
4:54 PM
Ferb, I know what we're going to do today!
 
... now I want my flight sim... and my actual pilot's license
 
I looked into some hydraulic systems
 
@JeffFerland have you looked into LSA and sport pilot certificate? It can be cheaper than full-on private pilot
 
was 80k to get a full system with these bells and whistles :p
 
@LucasKauffman I say we make a co-op to build the most awesome Flight Simulator X sim panel, ever.
@LucasKauffman I volunteer that it be located at my house.
 
4:57 PM
@PeterGrace I'd love to
only one problem
Im a poor student that cant even afford anything more than a twister joystick xD
 
so I guess this is out of the question
:P
 
:( yes
 
Eh, I think I'll stick to the X45 I have for now :)
 
@Aaron I think only the full one suits my plans. Best thing I have available to me is a Cessna 4 seater.
 
5:20 PM
Wow. All this flight sim talk. I'm lucky I can figure out the Xbox controller interface for Lego Star Wars.
 
@Adrian Gamerfail
 
Is this a stupid idea; I have a pain in the arse bit of the business that I loathe, they have a HP DL380 with 2 small boot disks and 6 x 900GB 10k disks in R5 (their choice, only part of my hatred for them) - they were moaning at me about wanting more space so I've sent over a spare disk shelf (25 x 900GB 10k's) and a P812 card. Now they tell me they want the space on the same LVM-based FS (ext3 btw). How daft is it to have one LVM FS, some on one R5 array and some on another R6 array?
This is comparatively transient data, i.e. if it inconveniences anyone it'll be them - should I force them to have another FS or combine the two at their risk?
 
@Chopper3 I guess the question is why do they need to merge them? You've just given them ~20TB, up from ~4TB, surely they can't need a ~24TB volume, suddenly?
 
@BartSilverstrim 6 weeks :)
 
@SmallClanger they say their app can't split across directories - i.e. it's writing to /something and they can't have it put some there and some other stuff on /somethingelse - does that make sense? I'm fed up with the buggers - they're doing my head in
 
5:33 PM
@chopper3 I see their problem. If only their OS had things like symlinks and/or mount points... oh wait...
 
@Chopper3 I wouldn't be completely against doing something like that... They create a point where it can fail.
 
@TylerShads I'm more of a GamerDad. My son is a pretty avid gamer.
 
@SmallClanger yeah - they wrote it and the guy who did has fucked off
 
if either RAID volume goes bad, then you loose everything. Or at least it is really hard to extract what is left on the other.
If they have good backups, then that may not be an issue.
 
What @Zoredache said. That's the glaring point against. Without knowing the service, I can't say for sure, but I'd thay they should kill the service, mount new volume as /mnt/tmp, move data from /something, remount new volume as /something and restart. Job done.
 
5:37 PM
Think I'll get them to move to the 25xR6 and leave the R5 - not sure they need the space - good call Clanger
 
5:50 PM
@chopper3 can the HP logical volumes be combined?
no, separate controllers, right?
 
the R5 array's on the internal P410, could recable yes but massive faff - don't like giving these guys too much time
 
just thinking it could all be moved to the P812... but that's a bit of a hassle.
But I'm bleh on LVM in general
 
no choice in the matter I'm afraid
 
@ewwhite What do you use instead of LVM?
 
I partition well and have a good feeling for usage patterns.
The growth directory is usually the last partition... or in HP systems, its own logical drive.
 
6:01 PM
@ewwhite is that your personal ad?
 
I tend to use XFS a lot, so xfs_growfs is handy
 
Are you anti LVM? Or, just prefer not to use it? I don't think I've been around long enough to see enough failures or any thing..
 
It's certainly not the performance option that's for sure - but I have zero choice, our templates are setup that way and it's one area I have little influence over
 
I never tire of this: videogamena.me
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Hrmmm... I guess most of our stuff isn't bottle necked by it. I've never noticed the performance hit.
 
6:08 PM
me neither but if you ever do comparisons between raw and well, basically anything else, you do see some dropoffs
 
Not anti-LVM... just another level of abstraction... and I feel like I can cover things well with a /boot, /var, /usr, /tmp, /data....
and probably a couple of others I'm forgetting
 
/porn
 
@ewwhite I see. I really like the snapshot feature. I don't have SAN/DAS/NAS hardware that can do snapshots.
 
That's definitely the growth partition.
 
So for the snapshotting, I'll use hotcopy where I need it.... r1soft.com/tools/linux-hot-copy
 
6:11 PM
@ewwhite Do you mount by device path or UUID?
 
for CentOS 5 and such, by disk LABEL...
for CentOS 6, I've started using UUID
 
Ugh. Server storage.
 
yeah, awful...
But maybe I'm old-school. I often inherit systems with a /boot and a / partition...
and it's hard to see things like an errant process that's filling logs in /var... or being able to forecast /home usage.
 
Yea, that was the way of doing things before me... Still have a bunch of those on the back burner for rebuild.
 
Are most of your boxes physical or virtual? When it comes to virtual machines that are for a specific purpose I don't see much value of making lots of partitions.
 
6:23 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hMXfHoH7Tw&feature=youtu.be
sfw thing i threw together with some 3d toolz at work
For the particulars, it's Nuke 3d particles, comped onto a 2d
background, with a 3d composited beehive :D
BEES!
 
I agree that it's annoying for VMs when you are trying to keep the disks small, but the reason for doing it is the same virtual or physical. You don't want some stupid process filling up the whole disk because /var/log falls under the same file system as root.
 
Half and half these days. With thin provisioning and the compressed ZFS filesystems on my central storage, I don't see any downside to using the same partitioning scheme.
 
Also, you can decide what you want mounted with noexec or nosuid if you allow suid at all.
 
In general, / and /usr should be static. /var grows. If it's a DB server, I may add a /var/lib/pgsql or something.
 
@ewwhite Inherit systems with /boot? Doesn't CentOS/RH still do that by default? Last I knew, they didn't boot off LVM partitions.
 
6:25 PM
I don't mind /boot.. but when it's just /boot and /, I think it's a bad setup
 
I have a lot or partitions by most standards. /boot, /, /tmp, /usr, /var, /var/log, /var/log/audit
 
Umm, How do you not have a / partition? Then everything including /usr and /opt would need to be in some other partition and individually mounted with bind ?
 
I do have a / partition
 
Ah. I'm probably not understanding properly then.
Heh. I have a ticket open because our main PostgreSQL server is filling up its /. The DBA folks built it out with a 100G /var/lib/pgsql partition and then promptly configured Postgres to use /var/lib/postgresql
 
I was going to mention Rick Santorum...
 
6:30 PM
And yeah, it was recently decided after massive lobbying by the DBAs that nobody but DBA staff are allowed to log into that box.
I wonder why...
 
Until it breaks. :)
Then they change their minds...
 
@AaronCopley Probably. =D
 
I don't suppose anyone here uses Cisco AnyConnect (and has a copy of the client install for 3.0)
We have to connect to a customer VPN, and Cisco, in their infinite wisdom, require a valid contract to download the client software, even though they've open sourced it...
 
@SmallClanger I probably do at home from back when I worked for Big Blue. But not here at the office.
 
file name "anyconnect-win-2.5.3041-pre-deploy-k9.msi"
Shoot, 3.0 -- never mind...
 
6:41 PM
@jscott Thanks, and also Oops. I didn't mention linux 32-bit on that first request did I?
Actually, never mind, it looks like someone has picked up at the client end and is sending me the relevant tarball. Thanks though. :)
 
Facilities just came through and marked all the walls that are getting demolished. Frabjous joy.
But, I did the satisfaction of reminding my boss in the presence of his manager that he won't get any productivity out of me for 3-4 days around this little fiasco.
 
Whenever I'm thinking I have too many brain cells, I go check out knowyourmeme.com and fix that problem
 
@Aaron What's wrong with reading the questions in the Vote to Close room?
 
@Aaron I hear that back before the internet people had to make due with whiskey and beer.
 

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