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Jeff Ferland
Jeff Ferland
6:00 AM
I remember when I was chasing for top 50 and I just had to break 10k.
I'm slacking now. :P
 
Adrian
Adrian
6:11 AM
@JeffFerland Well, getting mocked by voretaq for not hitting 3k yet helped. And the GF being out of town all this week gave me opportunity.
Woah. A migration that didn't suck:
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Q: Server reporting incorrect mime type for css files

BeckyWe have a VPS server that we host our websites on. I have written a CMS using CodeIgniter. On one of the interfaces, I am attempting to upload a css file to the system. This worked correctly when we had it hosted on shared hosting. Since we've moved it to the VPS, I am getting an "incorrect filet...

css apache2 mime
 
Jeff Ferland
Jeff Ferland
I'll vote for that
Alright, scheduled a meeting. Going to sleep.
 
Adrian
Adrian
gn ite!
 
Lucas Kauffman
Lucas Kauffman
6:27 AM
any IIS experts around?
 
Mark Henderson
Mark Henderson
@LucasKauffman Yep but I'm going home
Been a looong shitty day
You've got 1 minute :p
 
Lucas Kauffman
Lucas Kauffman
IIS World Wide Web Publishing
tell me
is it requiered?
or can you disable it?
 
Mark Henderson
Mark Henderson
@LucasKauffman For IIS? That is IIS
 
Lucas Kauffman
Lucas Kauffman
oh
had a client asking if he could disable it :p
 
Mark Henderson
Mark Henderson
Haha, no
Not unless you want to use Apache or something
 
Iain
Iain
6:30 AM
G'day
 
Mark Henderson
Mark Henderson
It's a stupid name for it though I admit
 
Lucas Kauffman
Lucas Kauffman
:p
@MarkHenderson ty <3
 
pauska
pauska
good morning chaps
 
Adrian
Adrian
@Iain Think you made a typo in that rsyslog Q
mornin'/evenin' folks. I see I made it to shift-change tonight.
It really pains me just how few of the questions we get regarding networking have no logs posted let alone a proper tcpdump done.
 
Iain
Iain
6:48 AM
@Adrian what's wrong with it ?
 
Adrian
Adrian
@Iain honstname
 
Iain
Iain
@Adrian cheers - at least the example was correct - but it doesn't fix his problem even though that wouldn't have helped
 
Adrian
Adrian
No worries. It would've been churlish to call you out in the comments over a typo. =)
 
Iain
Iain
@Adrian you should have just fixed it :)
 
Adrian
Adrian
@Iain My name's on enough of the front page tonight. I don't need to get called out for that. =)
 
Adrian
Adrian
7:07 AM
suck to be one of his customers, but I have no desire to help this fellow:
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Q: PLesk Error: pmm-ras error (Error code = -6): during backup.. /tmp folder to increase?

ericI had to re-install the plesl system on a centos 6 after a crash. The full backup file is 11 go. but at the beginning of the backup reinstall this error come Error: pmm-ras error (Error code = -6): argh ! my disk organization is like this Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/xvda1 3.7G...

backup plesk centos6
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
7:20 AM
eheh.
Lesson 1 - he's restoring and not backing up. Lesson 2. You goddamn test your restores before something ACTUALLY explodes.
 
Adrian
Adrian
g'nite folks. And a little present for you all:
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
7:43 AM
ugh, I fixed a fairly major bunch of spelling and grammar errors, and someone just fixed the tags and didn't bother with approving my edit.
boo
 
pauska
pauska
@JourneymanGeek which one? The review history shows all your suggested edits as approved
or well, the last 3 ones at least
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
Its not about the rep. The title bothers the heck out of me ;p
 
pauska
pauska
I just approved that one
refresh
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
Thanks
/me is having one of those days where I'm so tired with 'real work' that i want to nitpick spelling ;p
 
pauska
pauska
Rejected 10 mins ago:
Community♦ reviewed this 10 mins ago: Reject
that is kind of weird
it rejected it 10 minutes ago, and you proposed the edit 10 minutes ago
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
7:50 AM
Another low rep user edited I guess
/me has no idea if the system warns for those
 
pauska
pauska
no idea - perhaps it collided with another edit
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
Oh well, thanks ;p
Now the front page is free of things that annoy me
 
 
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Tom O'Connor
Tom O'Connor
9:51 AM
Huh. So you can't put lmgtfy links in answers now :(
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Q: open-source Looking glass server for debian

khalid hussainI have to deploy looking glass server in a Ubuntu box. I have googled but could not decide which looking glass tool should I use. It should be open-source. Can anyone help me please? Thank you.

monitoring
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
10:08 AM
lol
why would you even think about doing that?
(I think it started on SO, then someone on SE twigged on to the fact it wasn't sitewide. THIS IS WHY WE CANNOT HAVE NICE SNARKY THINGS!)
I'm assuming that is gonna get closed?
 
Tom O'Connor
Tom O'Connor
10:34 AM
I hope so
 
Iain
Iain
10:54 AM
@TomO'Connor been like that for ages
 
Tom O'Connor
Tom O'Connor
@Iain But it's fuuuuuun.
 
Iain
Iain
@TomO'Connor I think the reasoning is that when people are searching for an answer they will go to google. If google points them here and we then send them back to google that's a bad thing - even if it is fun.
lmgtfy (and others) are banned on most SE sites
Hey @Chopper3 how's the not-moob today ?
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
11:10 AM
@Iain Hadn't realised how much of the painkillers from the op were still in me until last night when they started wearing off - fucking agony - fairly massive bruising too - feeling a bit sorry for myself to be honest
 
Iain
Iain
@Chopper3 :( deep bruises take a while to come out - I guess it's going to be a quiet a colourful not-moob for a while
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
@Iain yeah, bit fed-up today, ah well
 
Iain
Iain
@Chopper3 bet it's a bit of a roller-coaster atm
 
Tom O'Connor
Tom O'Connor
11:40 AM
How?!
 
Iain
Iain
@TomO'Connor ballet dancer?
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
or you wear the heels wide side down
 
HaydnWVN
HaydnWVN
12:10 PM
@TomO'Connor SO has been that way for months, SU just started AFAIK meta.superuser.com/a/5657/102661 :(
@Chopper3 Best wishes for the pain, you'll feel very abused for a while... :/
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
@HaydnWVN I normally have to pay good money to feel this beaten and bruised
 
HaydnWVN
HaydnWVN
@Chopper3 We could club together and get you a trophy, that way you'll feel it was all due to some hard work? :)
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
12:31 PM
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Q: Conflict between local DNS zone and country domain name

Linker3000I have recently setup a new Windows 2003 server for a regional office in Germany. The server has been setup as a child domain on our corporate setup and, being in Germany, the domain was called de, so the full name for the child is de.ourcompanyname.lan This seems to have upset DNS resolution fo...

windows dns name-resolution
wow
 
Dan
Dan
@Chopper3 Logged on just to post that :D
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
no, just lurking
 
Dan
Dan
@Chopper3 No, mean I did :D
@Chopper3 I'd ask how you are, but just saw the transcript, so have a manly tap on the shoulder instead.
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
that would hurt right now ;) but thanks anyway dude
 
Michael Hampton
Michael Hampton
@JourneymanGeek Oh, the problem I just ran into is that RHEL 6's version of perl is apparently too old for RT 4.
 
Dan
Dan
12:34 PM
@Chopper3 on a serious note, is it all but over now? Just a routine follow up check at some point?
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
far far from it, next Thursday (11th) back to see the specialist who did the op to see what they took out, ideally we want there to be a 'clear margin' around the chunk they cut out (i.e. no cancer on any outer edge (as in it's all been cut out), if not then its more surgery time, plus they also removed a number of my lymph-nodes from my right armpit to test if it had got to them as they act as train stations to other parts of me, ideally they'll be clear too - if no it's big gulp time.
Either way I'll have to have some form of chemo (what type is based on tests they're doing on what they cut out of me), could be 'easy', could be full on nasty stuff with a possible option for radiotheraphy at the same time or after - so no, far from home.
 
Dan
Dan
@Chopper3 Oh crap, didn't realise, especially not the chemo stuff. :(
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
yeppo - it's full-on, can't imagine being back full time at work until say spring or so?
I'm lucky though, caught it early, very young to have this, got fantastic private care, no need to work for years so no pressure there etc. Just don't like feeling like my life's on hold to be honest
 
Dan
Dan
I can understand that
Well, best of luck as ever dude. Please keep us posted
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
it's not like I can travel too much either, the chemo's going to knock me for six, so as soon as it's all sorted (hopefully spring or so) I'm going to take the family off somewhere we've never been, nothing too tiring, maybe some part of italy I've never been to, really relax
thanks
 
pauska
pauska
12:46 PM
@Chopper3 so they actually found cancer in the stuff they took out?
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
They'd already found it from the biopsy they got on the 10th, nasty malignant stuff, had to come out, was growing fast and that was what was impacting my energy levels since mid-august
 
pauska
pauska
oh.. shit, I didn't know that.
I don't know if it's any help, but cancer treatment has come a long way.. I'm sure your odds are good since they caught it (hopefully) before it spread out
but like Dan said, best of luck and yeah, keep us posted!
 
Scott Pack
Scott Pack
@Chopper3 With any luck you'll be able to skip past the chemo and do something like Interferon.
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
@ScottPack I just want it done and gone as soon as possible, I have the time and resources to get whatever is needed out of the way as fast as it can be, so that's what I'm going to do, the problem is that when you decide to manage any project you go through all the planning and resourcing to lay it all out but then once everyone is committed you have to just get on the ride - and when that's your body and your pain it's different from say building out an IT platform, but it's what I'm doing.
 
Stack Exchange
Stack Exchange
The Nubby Admin: Announcement: Live Blogging the 2012 Phoenix VMUG
posted on October 03, 2012 by Wesley David

I am going to be at the 2012 Phoenix Arizona VMUG on October 11, 2012. I’ll be doing my best to live blog the event. I’m not sure if public WiFi will be provided, and I haven’t yet sprung for the tethering option on my cell plan. However, it’s a conference, of course it’ll have public WiFi. Right? I’m an unpaid, unsponsored, independent spectator so I’…

 
HaydnWVN
HaydnWVN
12:55 PM
@Chopper3 Kudos for being so objective about the whole thing, really shows your strength of character
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
@HaydnWVN I'm like this 99% of the time, can't pretend I've not had a few 'moments' where I've been quite emotional about it but they tend to be when I'm on my own and are more just me being sad for my family, not remotely upset about my own mortality, I'd faced far more dangerous situations than this in the past, but in particular how it would affect my daughter (13) does sadden me.
 
Dan
Dan
@Chopper3 Yeah, I have the same thoughts about the people on the plane I'll be flying.
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
@Dan Did I mention to you about that local bunch of guys looking to co-own a little 4-6 seater jet out of bournemouth airport? the idea being to sell it out as an air-taxi for 90% of the time and then allow us all to use it for ourselves? I know that kind of thing's been popular elsewhere but I wondered what your thoughts were on it? it's far from the top of my mind right now I have to say
 
Dan
Dan
1:13 PM
@Chopper3 No, you didn't. Sounds like an interesting idea. Do you have someone with the relevant pilot ratings amongst you?
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
the idea would be to hire a locally-based pilot, the guy who's really driving this has done quite a bit of research and most of the potential clients would be the poole/sandbanks-set for local'ish flights to northern europe
they're looking at a phenum 100 (sp?) and a cessna mustang
 
Iain
Iain
@Chopper3 that's not a cheap set to get into
 
Dan
Dan
There's a lot of consortium air ownership that goes on, so it's definitely an idea with legs. I suspect it comes down to a solid business plan like anything else though
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
@Iain there'd be about 6-8 owners so it's not so bad
 
Iain
Iain
@Chopper3 I was referring to the pool/sandbanks set
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
1:16 PM
@Iain yes, they're a nightmare, we know a lot down that way, but the decent people tend to live outside that area (as we do :) )
 
Iain
Iain
isn't it the most expensive place to live in the UK ?
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
outside London I'd imagine, we lived in kensington for a decade, now that was expensive :)
 
Dan
Dan
> Started : Wed Oct 03 09:32:01 2012
It's only a 1.5gb transfer. Still going :(
 
Iain
Iain
1:37 PM
The about for the most recent spammer
We are located at Indiana State ( United States of America ) and we do

laptop repair services . Contact us

for all types of computer maintainance related jobs.
The IP address was from Mumbai
 
Adrian
Adrian
1:52 PM
@ewwhite Fortune Cookie says East Coast Man with Fast Fingers beats Sleepy Seattle Hippie to easy questions...
mornin' gents.
And there's a novelty. Rep Cap.
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
@Adrian SLOW
 
Ketan Patel
Ketan Patel
How can I Setup dns server by Using GUI on ubuntu server ?
 
tombull89
tombull89
Who's gonna do the honours?
I thought it would just be apt-get dnsmasq.
 
Ketan Patel
Ketan Patel
Thanks
 
Michael Hampton
Michael Hampton
This is *NOT* a place for 'Live Support', ask on the main site.
 
Chris S
Chris S
2:08 PM
@KetanPatel Don't run a *nix DNS server unless you're ready to do so completely without a GUI.
 
Cold T
Cold T
someone shoot me pleaseee
other then that, afternoon everyone :)
 
Chris S
Chris S
@ColdT BANG!
 
Michael Hampton
Michael Hampton
Crap, I ran out of close votes again.
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Q: MX records set up

andrei.trollI just want to know how other people set up their MX-entries for mail accounts used with google apps. I work at a local web-hosting firm and we get a lot of tickets from clients who want to set up these settings. I just set them up something like: example.com. 14400 IN MX 10 ALT1.ASPMX.L...

domain google-apps mx-record google-mail
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@ChrisS eh. I think 'don't run a server unless you're ready to do so completely without a gui is true too ;p
 
Chris S
Chris S
@JourneymanGeek Ok, fixed as that statement is blatantly misleading for Windows DNS.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
2:17 PM
Isn't windows leaning more towards the powershell route as well now?
 
Chris S
Chris S
Also, not saying that you have to only use the CLI, but you should be able to... And if you can't, I still think you shouldn't be running a *nix DNS server.
@JourneymanGeek Yeah, but it's still much easier and almost all the options are in the GUI...
 
Iain
Iain
@ChrisS s/DNS//
 
Chris S
Chris S
@Iain That too... But this was specifically asking about "how DNS is formed?"
 
wfaulk
wfaulk
Yesterday's interviewee result:
fgrep -R $string | xargs rm {}
also:
find . -name $string -exec rm $i
 
Chris S
Chris S
@wfaulk I thought you wanted to keep the files?
 
Iain
Iain
2:28 PM
@wfaulk what was the question ?
 
HopelessN00b
HopelessN00b
@wfaulk So, still no smart candidates who gave anything resembling my answer, huh?
 
wfaulk
wfaulk
yeah, I do, but after seeing that mess, I didn't feel like bothering to correct him on that point
 
Iain
Iain
ah - same question then
 
Chris S
Chris S
@Iain Write a script to search for files that contain $string and move them to $directory (yesterday's version)
 
wfaulk
wfaulk
@HopelessN00b s/who gave anything resembling my answer//
correct
yeah, same question
 
Iain
Iain
2:30 PM
@ChrisS that was so far off I thought it may have been different though
 
Chris S
Chris S
rm deletes the files though... not move them. Though, that'd be only a slightly different question.
 
wfaulk
wfaulk
yeah, I stated that multiple times, but after he told me that -name searched through the file, I figured "why bother?"
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
I need HELP!!!
 
Michael Hampton
Michael Hampton
@ewwhite FORMAT C:
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
It's 10:31...
 
Adrian
Adrian
2:32 PM
@ewwhite Hey, I'm only slow when it matters!
Erm
 
wfaulk
wfaulk
@ewwhite stop using pool.ntp.org
 
Michael Hampton
Michael Hampton
@ewwhite Hm, that seems just ever-so-slightly wrong.
 
tombull89
tombull89
Silly US date/time format.
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
and I'm seeing a lot of VMWare hosts at a particular site where the time is WAYYY off.
 
HopelessN00b
HopelessN00b
@wfaulk I'm using the same pool, an dI have 10:32
 
Iain
Iain
2:32 PM
@wfaulk I could talk about how and rough out a top level designy thing but I know I'd screw up on a switch somewhere if I didn't have access to the man pages
 
Chris S
Chris S
@wfaulk pool.ntp.org automatically kicks time servers that are off.
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
"a lot" == 30+ ESXi 4.x hosts.
 
wfaulk
wfaulk
@ChrisS not in my experience
I've had nothing but problems
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
I'm thinking it's a clock skew + HWclock issue.
 
HopelessN00b
HopelessN00b
@wfaulk From how long ago? It's worked for me really well for the past ~5 years.
 
wfaulk
wfaulk
2:33 PM
@HopelessN00b yeah, but the machine you get is random
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
but don't know what to tell the people who've designed this setup.
 
Chris S
Chris S
@wfaulk Oh yeah. I run a server in the pool and I've got notices that my server was kicked because it was too far off.
 
wfaulk
wfaulk
@HopelessN00b 2-4 years ago
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
It's SuperMicro gear, so I'm wondering if there's an issue there.
 
wfaulk
wfaulk
set up your own ntp server and see if the problem goes away
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
2:34 PM
@wfaulk Not an option.
 
wfaulk
wfaulk
and point it at a real NTP source
 
HopelessN00b
HopelessN00b
@ewwhite Only if it's misconfigured, and not ignoring/superseding the HW clock for whatever reason.
 
Chris S
Chris S
@ewwhite Can you run ntpq -p on it?
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
Too complex of a network and multi-tenancy...
 
wfaulk
wfaulk
@ewwhite then just use a real NTP source. There are a variety of open stratum 2 servers
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
2:35 PM
@ChrisS I will try.
 
Michael Hampton
Michael Hampton
@ewwhite Are they blocking NTP traffic at a firewall?
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
@MichaelHampton This is like... hundreds of networks.
 
Chris S
Chris S
@MichaelHampton That ntpq -p command would tell him what's going on, including blocked from accessing the NTP servers.
 
Michael Hampton
Michael Hampton
 
wfaulk
wfaulk
@ewwhite you could try turning off NTP and turning it back on, hopefully getting a new pool host
 
Cold T
Cold T
2:38 PM
what a crazy week
 
Chris S
Chris S
@MichaelHampton Ah, have to run it remotely; that's a PITA
 
wfaulk
wfaulk
@ChrisS also have to disable noquery in the NTP configuration
 
Cold T
Cold T
@ewwhite have you tried setting that up on a different machine with those NTP and see firstly if it pulls the right time?
 
Chris S
Chris S
@wfaulk Really?! Why is that on by default?
 
Michael Hampton
Michael Hampton
Insane defaults give sysadmins something to do.
 
Chris S
Chris S
2:42 PM
@wfaulk It's probably a better idea to pick a S2 server that's near by and substitute that for one of the servers in the list... That'll add a bit of reliability against somehow ending up with 3 bad pool.ntp.org servers.
 
wfaulk
wfaulk
@ChrisS I guess so that people don't steal VMware's ~~precious bodily fluids~~ time data
 
Chris S
Chris S
@wfaulk NO HTML-IN-CHAT FOR YOU!
 
Cold T
Cold T
lol
 
wfaulk
wfaulk
yeah, and I don't think markdown has a strikethru option
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
<s>Naw...</s>
:)
 
Chris S
Chris S
2:44 PM
I thought it did for some reason...
 
tombull89
tombull89
nah, it doesn't. oh really.
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
it does
 
Cold T
Cold T
for some users apparently it does
 
tombull89
tombull89
triple dash before and after text.
 
Michael Hampton
Michael Hampton
@wfaulk Three hyphens.
 
wfaulk
wfaulk
2:44 PM
dammit. too late now
 
Cold T
Cold T
lol
 
tombull89
tombull89
<s>hmm</s>
 
Hennes
Hennes
///triple/// ?
 
wfaulk
wfaulk
the great thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from
 
Hennes
Hennes
ah, dash, not slash foo
Aye
We was that? Dijkstra?
Ah, no. Tanenbaum
 
Michael Hampton
Michael Hampton
2:46 PM
Go play in the Sandbox.
 
Tom O'Connor
Tom O'Connor
 
Hennes
Hennes
It has been ages since I had a windows without c: drive (I think I just had f:
)
 
Cold T
Cold T
woah A & B drives
 
Michael Hampton
Michael Hampton
I sort of vaguely remember floppy disks.
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
Okay, NTP and ESXi... I took a sample and found over 30+ host systems with the wrong time.
 
Cold T
Cold T
2:48 PM
@ewwhite that is bad...
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
@ColdT And why is it bad?
 
Hennes
Hennes
The nicely consistent (nah) way of drive B: acting as a fake second drive.
But only if you had no second drive
 
Cold T
Cold T
bad for replication, bad for authentication
 
Hennes
Hennes
I should still have a computer with ONLY floppy drives
4.77Mhz XT, portable
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
Because reboots of the host would skew VM times? Because it indicates a hwclock sync issue? Because there may be a network problem communicating with the NTP servers.
 
Hennes
Hennes
2:49 PM
We gave it the hostname Hernia
 
wfaulk
wfaulk
@Hennes does that imply that it was networked?
 
Hennes
Hennes
It came with a build in 7 inch CRT and a nice steel bar to carry it
It was. Around 1991 we needed some more terminals. As a temp fix we found a ISA (8bit) card. I think it was a 8003. Installed DOS on the 360k drives and NCSA telnet
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
@ColdT The guest VM's on top of the hosts seem to have the right time.
 
wfaulk
wfaulk
@ewwhite are they also running ntp?
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
yes
 
wfaulk
wfaulk
2:52 PM
same peers?
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
[root@boo-tay]# cat /etc/ntp.conf
tinker panic 0
restrict 127.0.0.1
restrict -6 ::1
restrict default kod nomodify notrap
driftfile /var/lib/ntp/drift
keys /etc/ntp/keys
server 0.us.pool.ntp.org
server 1.us.pool.ntp.org
server 2.us.pool.ntp.org
server 3.us.pool.ntp.org
 
wfaulk
wfaulk
is it possible that the ESX hosts' console and/or vmkernel interfaces don't have connectivity to the internet?
 
Cold T
Cold T
@ewwhite i presume they are not running the time sync tool on the guests vm if you're saying the time is correct on those VMs?
 
Michael Hampton
Michael Hampton
@ewwhite What are you seeing in the logs?
 
HopelessN00b
HopelessN00b
`tinker panic 0`

Lol... I love reading Linux logs. So much to appeal to the demented, perverted way my mind "works"
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
2:54 PM
@ColdT definitely not on Linux. It could be spotty on Windows guests.
 
Michael Hampton
Michael Hampton
@HopelessN00b That's not a log, it's a configuration file!
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
@wfaulk it may be possible.
Again, is this something I should pursue? It seems very wrong.
 
wfaulk
wfaulk
@ewwhite if all your guests are running NTP and they're okay, it's probably not a huge deal
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
@wfaulk Some guests had issues after being vmotioned to a host with incorrect time.
which killed SSL connections
 
wfaulk
wfaulk
it's just like if the RTC on the hardware were bad and you were using NTP to fix that
@ewwhite yeah, I was going to bring that up
you could try removing the noquery option from them and actually have them sync among themselves
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
3:00 PM
@wfaulk Right, that's how I feel.
 
Chris S
Chris S
@ewwhite If they have more than a dozen machines they should have their own NTP server, configured to sync to at least 4 external time sources (one of which should be tick.usno.navy.mil or another S1 server, and the configuration should 'prefer' that one). All the local machines should be configured to sync to that local time server. This will prevent time differences across the servers, which is critical to analyzing logs, many authentication schemes (kerb requires <5 min), and preserve sanity.
 
wfaulk
wfaulk
it doesn't make a lot of difference what the time is as long as it's the same
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
@ChrisS So this is at new job... and yeah. I'm used to running time servers internally off of a switch, router, link to GPS time, or from a financial exchange's source...
and here, none of that exists...
but from what I can see, the ESX hosts can't ping any of the ntp pool servers
 
Chris S
Chris S
As Faulk said, it really doesn't matter if they have the right time, though that leads to healthy sanity, as long as as they all agree.
First time you have to chase something across server logs and they all have different times... shudder
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
There's pretty comprehensive monitoring here... but I don't see how it could work if the time is off
 
Cold T
Cold T
3:05 PM
@ewwhite any internet connectivity (dns resolving ok?)
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
@ColdT DNS resolves. I can't ping from ESXi hosts.
 
Chris S
Chris S
@ColdT They're big enough they should have a time server... Even if it's just any old server that's designated "The NTP Server" too.
 
wfaulk
wfaulk
gointerviews.com/top-50-unix-interview-questions "Kernel is the UNIX operating system. It is the master program that controls the computer’s resources, allotting them to different users and to different tasks. However, the kernel doesn’t deal directly with a user. Instead, it starts up a separate, interactive program, called a shell, for each user when he/she logs on."
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
@wfaulk um...
 
Cold T
Cold T
@ewwhite definetely sounds like an issue with connectivity thats stopping it picking up the right time. The logs will certainly tell you whats up with it. And as @ChrisS mentioned, they are more then big enough to have an internal NTP and then adding external NTPs to the list
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
3:10 PM
So I'm not crazy
 
Chris S
Chris S
@wfaulk I dislike "interviews" with people explaining stuff like that. It's never all that well thought out, as you're catching them "off the cuff", and the answers tend to be "mostly correct" or correct from a certain viewpoint.
 
Cold T
Cold T
a company tried to fob us off with £40k worth of Cisco goods, like i wouldn't checkup the serial numbers
 
Chris S
Chris S
@ewwhite Well, I don't know about that... But your concern for their NTP practices is well founded.
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
This is why I'm a bad employee...
 
Cold T
Cold T
@ewwhite all about sanity, and no you're right to make those assumptions
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
3:11 PM
I get caught up in things like this... then I start to question, "well, if they didn't think about this, what else are they missing?"
 
Cold T
Cold T
a larger organisation should always have a local NTP, and then maybe 2-3 additional external NTP
NTP servers can be easily missed, i think these things come under finer details
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
When I went to a 110-person trading firm with 15 locations and 20+ data centers... and realized that they were passing hosts files around and had no DNS, it was a red-flag... and plagued me throughout my time there.
 
Cold T
Cold T
no DNS.....!!!! did you jump out the window before you blinked?! i think most people would!
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
@ColdT no, I went in and spent 18 months trying to fix everything
I still had a few offices that refused to use DNS.
 
Cold T
Cold T
paid nicely i hope, cause that's no easy task
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
3:15 PM
@ColdT The work was easy. the politics weren't. I quit at some point when things got to me
 
tombull89
tombull89
@ewwhite why refused to use DNS? That seems a bit...mental.
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
@tombull89 "Latency and trading system performance"
 
tombull89
tombull89
That's why I coudln't be a consultant. I'd give myself brain damage from facepalming so much.
 
Cold T
Cold T
politics never easy unfortunately, but why refusing to add DNS is insane...
and by the sounds of it, they need a DCIM as well if they are that unorganised
 
wfaulk
wfaulk
@ChrisS yeah, that one is just stupid, regardless of the "answer" they gave
 
Chris S
Chris S
3:20 PM
Straw Poll: OWA -> Outlook-Web-Access, or opposite
 
84104
84104
@ChrisS All of my experiences with OWA have been horrible.
 
wfaulk
wfaulk
it's gotten marginally better in the last version or two
 
Chris S
Chris S
I need to merge the tags, which should I keep?
 
wfaulk
wfaulk
but it is still exchange, which is horrible on its own
 
HopelessN00b
HopelessN00b
OWA is pretty good in Exchange 2007 and 2010. Easy to admin in 2010. before that, absolute crap.
 
wfaulk
wfaulk
3:21 PM
oh
 
HopelessN00b
HopelessN00b
@ChrisS keep OWA.
 
84104
84104
What's opposite?
 
HopelessN00b
HopelessN00b
Synonymize the others, if desired.
 
Chris S
Chris S
@84104 Outlook-Web-Access -> OWA
 
Cold T
Cold T
OWA... whats wrong with it?
seem pretty decent
 
wfaulk
wfaulk
3:22 PM
there are some other technologies that are abbreviated OWA
 
Hennes
Hennes
Keep the long one. It is easier to understand for people who still need their caffeince fix. :)
 
wfaulk
wfaulk
Oracle Web Access, for instance
 
HopelessN00b
HopelessN00b
@84104 he means merge OWA to Outlook-Web-Access, or the opposite, which would be merge Outlook-Web-Access to OWA.
 
84104
84104
Oh, this is a tagging thing.
 
Cold T
Cold T
@wfaulk u got a point there
 
Hennes
Hennes
3:22 PM
Cold: My experience with OWA and out of office as less than optimal.
Enable OoO in outlook, disable in OWA -> Still enabled some of the time
But not consistently that way
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
OWA is good stuff.
 
84104
84104
@ChrisS Merge into the less ambiguous Outlook Web Access
 
Cold T
Cold T
OOF has just worked for me, even when it refused, usually was due to permission
 
Hennes
Hennes
And not just my account. Same for the people I had to support
 
wfaulk
wfaulk
permission?
you need a permission to set an OOO message?
 
Hennes
Hennes
3:24 PM
It seemed to work
 
HopelessN00b
HopelessN00b
Actually, that's the awesome thing about being a consultant. If they don't want to do things the sane way, so what? More billable hours for you to do monkey work.

Really, it's great. Nothing like getting paid $200 an hour to check logs on individual serves because some PHB thinks he's saving money by not having log aggregation or a monitoring system.
 
Cold T
Cold T
@wfaulk when it refused to set the out of office msg (like after migration or new install), it usually is a permission issue such as inheritence within AD
 
Hennes
Hennes
But I never looked closely at it. I just forwarded it to the people managing the exchange servers. (UK based folks which did that for all offices in europe)
 
Cold T
Cold T
other then that, there are no other permissions required @wfaulk
 
HopelessN00b
HopelessN00b
@wfaulk In Exchange, OWA, Notes/Domino, or any other "real" email system, yes. :p
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
3:25 PM
@HopelessN00b Yeah... $$$
 
Cold T
Cold T
personally always worked for me and when it didnt, i knew what to do to fix it quickly
lol agreed lots of $$$/£££!
 
Hennes
Hennes
it failed for about 10% of he people in the dutch offices.
 
Cold T
Cold T
@Hennes was this a migration from older versions of Exchange?
 
HopelessN00b
HopelessN00b
@ewwhite I just did the math on how much money I've been paid thusfar to clean up after the Data Protector solution they went with on account of it being so cheap... 5 figures in my labor to save a few thousand in CapEx. Three cheers for executive accounting skills.
 
Hennes
Hennes
No idea. It was running when I became admin. I never needed to manage the exchage server when it was in Woerden. A year later it got migrated to the clustered europe wide (Tyco) exchange services in UK.
 
Cold T
Cold T
3:28 PM
@Hennes now you got SF for the future!
 
Hennes
Hennes
I never understood exchange either. Why get a mailbox in dutch, but the inbox in german? And why sometimes in English?
Why not one consistent language?
s/mailbox/ most of the mailbox
 
Cold T
Cold T
all about configuration lol
 
Hennes
Hennes
Why does a 'search all' not search anything but stuff under inbox and sent?
etc
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
@HopelessN00b It's messy, but people are like that.
 
Cold T
Cold T
some people are multilingual and like different languages setup lol
@Hennes definitions weren't so clear before but they are fine now
anyway, time out for me! cya peepz!
 
Hennes
Hennes
3:30 PM
Different languages are fine. But part of the program in one language and part of it in an other language is not fun.
 
HopelessN00b
HopelessN00b
Because, as insane as it sounds, enough people actually want that kind of "feature" for Microsoft to include it.

I'm with you; my shit displaying in different languages should be a bug, not a feature, but people are weird.
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
3:55 PM
"A developer ran the following command:
Sudo chmod –R 777 */*"
I love those.
 
Adrian
Adrian
Developers....
Mine decided that something was so important and crucial to their work that when I explained what my plan was, Developer just assumed that it wasn;t going to happen the way I described.
 
HopelessN00b
HopelessN00b
@ewwhite I love those as a consultant. As an employee, they make me think hold on, I need to find my gun.
 
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