The Comms Room

Jeff Ferland

06:00

I remember when I was chasing for top 50 and I just had to break 10k.

I'm slacking now. :P

Adrian

06:11

@JeffFerland Well, getting mocked by voretaq for not hitting 3k yet helped. And the GF being out of town all this week gave me opportunity.

Woah. A migration that didn't suck:

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Q: Server reporting incorrect mime type for css files

We have a VPS server that we host our websites on. I have written a CMS using CodeIgniter. On one of the interfaces, I am attempting to upload a css file to the system. This worked correctly when we had it hosted on shared hosting. Since we've moved it to the VPS, I am getting an "incorrect filet...

Jeff Ferland

I'll vote for that

Alright, scheduled a meeting. Going to sleep.

Adrian

gn ite!

Lucas Kauffman

06:27

any IIS experts around?

Mark Henderson

@LucasKauffman Yep but I'm going home

Been a looong shitty day

You've got 1 minute :p

Lucas Kauffman

IIS World Wide Web Publishing

tell me

is it requiered?

or can you disable it?

Mark Henderson

@LucasKauffman For IIS? That is IIS

Lucas Kauffman

oh

had a client asking if he could disable it :p

Mark Henderson

Haha, no

Not unless you want to use Apache or something

Iain

06:30

G'day

Mark Henderson

It's a stupid name for it though I admit

Lucas Kauffman

:p

@MarkHenderson ty <3

pauska

good morning chaps

Adrian

@Iain Think you made a typo in that rsyslog Q

mornin'/evenin' folks. I see I made it to shift-change tonight.

It really pains me just how few of the questions we get regarding networking have no logs posted let alone a proper tcpdump done.

Iain

06:48

@Adrian what's wrong with it ?

Adrian

@Iain honstname

Iain

@Adrian cheers - at least the example was correct - but it doesn't fix his problem even though that wouldn't have helped

Adrian

No worries. It would've been churlish to call you out in the comments over a typo. =)

Iain

@Adrian you should have just fixed it :)

Adrian

@Iain My name's on enough of the front page tonight. I don't need to get called out for that. =)

Adrian

07:07

suck to be one of his customers, but I have no desire to help this fellow:

-1

Q: PLesk Error: pmm-ras error (Error code = -6): during backup.. /tmp folder to increase?

I had to re-install the plesl system on a centos 6 after a crash. The full backup file is 11 go. but at the beginning of the backup reinstall this error come Error: pmm-ras error (Error code = -6): argh ! my disk organization is like this Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/xvda1 3.7G...

backup plesk centos6

Journeyman Geek

07:20

eheh.

Lesson 1 - he's restoring and not backing up. Lesson 2. You goddamn test your restores before something ACTUALLY explodes.

Adrian

g'nite folks. And a little present for you all:

Journeyman Geek

07:43

ugh, I fixed a fairly major bunch of spelling and grammar errors, and someone just fixed the tags and didn't bother with approving my edit.

boo

pauska

@JourneymanGeek which one? The review history shows all your suggested edits as approved

or well, the last 3 ones at least

Journeyman Geek

serverfault.com/questions/434321/… this one

Its not about the rep. The title bothers the heck out of me ;p

pauska

I just approved that one

refresh

Journeyman Geek

Thanks

/me is having one of those days where I'm so tired with 'real work' that i want to nitpick spelling ;p

pauska

Rejected 10 mins ago:
Community♦ reviewed this 10 mins ago: Reject

that is kind of weird

it rejected it 10 minutes ago, and you proposed the edit 10 minutes ago

Journeyman Geek

07:50

Another low rep user edited I guess

/me has no idea if the system warns for those

pauska

no idea - perhaps it collided with another edit

Journeyman Geek

Oh well, thanks ;p

Now the front page is free of things that annoy me

Tom O'Connor

09:51

Huh. So you can't put lmgtfy links in answers now :(

-1

Q: open-source Looking glass server for debian

I have to deploy looking glass server in a Ubuntu box. I have googled but could not decide which looking glass tool should I use. It should be open-source. Can anyone help me please? Thank you.

monitoring

Journeyman Geek

10:08

lol

why would you even think about doing that?

(I think it started on SO, then someone on SE twigged on to the fact it wasn't sitewide. THIS IS WHY WE CANNOT HAVE ~~NICE~~ SNARKY THINGS!)

I'm assuming that is gonna get closed?

Tom O'Connor

10:34

I hope so

Iain

10:54

@TomO'Connor been like that for ages

Tom O'Connor

@Iain But it's fuuuuuun.

Iain

@TomO'Connor I think the reasoning is that when people are searching for an answer they will go to google. If google points them here and we then send them back to google that's a bad thing - even if it is fun.

lmgtfy (and others) are banned on most SE sites

Hey @Chopper3 how's the not-moob today ?

Chopper3

11:10

@Iain Hadn't realised how much of the painkillers from the op were still in me until last night when they started wearing off - fucking agony - fairly massive bruising too - feeling a bit sorry for myself to be honest

Iain

@Chopper3 :( deep bruises take a while to come out - I guess it's going to be a quiet a colourful not-moob for a while

Chopper3

@Iain yeah, bit fed-up today, ah well

Iain

@Chopper3 bet it's a bit of a roller-coaster atm

Tom O'Connor

11:40

qph.cf.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-3a9dbc596fa48a8c0f24de1bfe8d3f95

How?!

Iain

@TomO'Connor ballet dancer?

Journeyman Geek

or you wear the heels wide side down

HaydnWVN

12:10

@TomO'Connor SO has been that way for months, SU just started AFAIK meta.superuser.com/a/5657/102661 :(

@Chopper3 Best wishes for the pain, you'll feel very abused for a while... :/

Chopper3

@HaydnWVN I normally have to pay good money to feel this beaten and bruised

HaydnWVN

@Chopper3 We could club together and get you a trophy, that way you'll feel it was all due to some hard work? :)

Chopper3

12:31

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Q: Conflict between local DNS zone and country domain name

I have recently setup a new Windows 2003 server for a regional office in Germany. The server has been setup as a child domain on our corporate setup and, being in Germany, the domain was called de, so the full name for the child is de.ourcompanyname.lan This seems to have upset DNS resolution fo...

windows dns name-resolution

wow

Dan

@Chopper3 Logged on just to post that :D

Chopper3

no, just lurking

Dan

@Chopper3 No, mean I did :D

@Chopper3 I'd ask how you are, but just saw the transcript, so have a manly tap on the shoulder instead.

Chopper3

that would hurt right now ;) but thanks anyway dude

Michael Hampton

@JourneymanGeek Oh, the problem I just ran into is that RHEL 6's version of perl is apparently too old for RT 4.

Dan

12:34

@Chopper3 on a serious note, is it all but over now? Just a routine follow up check at some point?

Chopper3

far far from it, next Thursday (11th) back to see the specialist who did the op to see what they took out, ideally we want there to be a 'clear margin' around the chunk they cut out (i.e. no cancer on any outer edge (as in it's all been cut out), if not then its more surgery time, plus they also removed a number of my lymph-nodes from my right armpit to test if it had got to them as they act as train stations to other parts of me, ideally they'll be clear too - if no it's big gulp time.

Either way I'll have to have some form of chemo (what type is based on tests they're doing on what they cut out of me), could be 'easy', could be full on nasty stuff with a possible option for radiotheraphy at the same time or after - so no, far from home.

Dan

@Chopper3 Oh crap, didn't realise, especially not the chemo stuff. :(

Chopper3

yeppo - it's full-on, can't imagine being back full time at work until say spring or so?

I'm lucky though, caught it early, very young to have this, got fantastic private care, no need to work for years so no pressure there etc. Just don't like feeling like my life's on hold to be honest

Dan

I can understand that

Well, best of luck as ever dude. Please keep us posted

Chopper3

it's not like I can travel too much either, the chemo's going to knock me for six, so as soon as it's all sorted (hopefully spring or so) I'm going to take the family off somewhere we've never been, nothing too tiring, maybe some part of italy I've never been to, really relax

thanks

pauska

12:46

@Chopper3 so they actually found cancer in the stuff they took out?

Chopper3

They'd already found it from the biopsy they got on the 10th, nasty malignant stuff, had to come out, was growing fast and that was what was impacting my energy levels since mid-august

pauska

oh.. shit, I didn't know that.

I don't know if it's any help, but cancer treatment has come a long way.. I'm sure your odds are good since they caught it (hopefully) before it spread out

but like Dan said, best of luck and yeah, keep us posted!

Scott Pack

@Chopper3 With any luck you'll be able to skip past the chemo and do something like Interferon.

Chopper3

@ScottPack I just want it done and gone as soon as possible, I have the time and resources to get whatever is needed out of the way as fast as it can be, so that's what I'm going to do, the problem is that when you decide to manage any project you go through all the planning and resourcing to lay it all out but then once everyone is committed you have to just get on the ride - and when that's your body and your pain it's different from say building out an IT platform, but it's what I'm doing.

Stack Exchange

The Nubby Admin: Announcement: Live Blogging the 2012 Phoenix VMUG

posted on October 03, 2012 by Wesley David

I am going to be at the 2012 Phoenix Arizona VMUG on October 11, 2012. I’ll be doing my best to live blog the event. I’m not sure if public WiFi will be provided, and I haven’t yet sprung for the tethering option on my cell plan. However, it’s a conference, of course it’ll have public WiFi. Right? I’m an unpaid, unsponsored, independent spectator so I’…

HaydnWVN

12:55

@Chopper3 Kudos for being so objective about the whole thing, really shows your strength of character

Chopper3

@HaydnWVN I'm like this 99% of the time, can't pretend I've not had a few 'moments' where I've been quite emotional about it but they tend to be when I'm on my own and are more just me being sad for my family, not remotely upset about my own mortality, I'd faced far more dangerous situations than this in the past, but in particular how it would affect my daughter (13) does sadden me.

Dan

@Chopper3 Yeah, I have the same thoughts about the people on the plane I'll be flying.

Chopper3

@Dan Did I mention to you about that local bunch of guys looking to co-own a little 4-6 seater jet out of bournemouth airport? the idea being to sell it out as an air-taxi for 90% of the time and then allow us all to use it for ourselves? I know that kind of thing's been popular elsewhere but I wondered what your thoughts were on it? it's far from the top of my mind right now I have to say

Dan

13:13

@Chopper3 No, you didn't. Sounds like an interesting idea. Do you have someone with the relevant pilot ratings amongst you?

Chopper3

the idea would be to hire a locally-based pilot, the guy who's really driving this has done quite a bit of research and most of the potential clients would be the poole/sandbanks-set for local'ish flights to northern europe

they're looking at a phenum 100 (sp?) and a cessna mustang

Iain

@Chopper3 that's not a cheap set to get into

Dan

There's a lot of consortium air ownership that goes on, so it's definitely an idea with legs. I suspect it comes down to a solid business plan like anything else though

Chopper3

@Iain there'd be about 6-8 owners so it's not so bad

Iain

@Chopper3 I was referring to the pool/sandbanks set

Chopper3

13:16

@Iain yes, they're a nightmare, we know a lot down that way, but the decent people tend to live outside that area (as we do :) )

Iain

isn't it the most expensive place to live in the UK ?

Chopper3

outside London I'd imagine, we lived in kensington for a decade, now that was expensive :)

Dan

> Started : Wed Oct 03 09:32:01 2012

It's only a 1.5gb transfer. Still going :(

Iain

13:37

The about for the most recent spammer

We are located at Indiana State ( United States of America ) and we do

laptop repair services . Contact us

for all types of computer maintainance related jobs.

The IP address was from Mumbai

Adrian

13:52

@ewwhite Fortune Cookie says East Coast Man with Fast Fingers beats Sleepy Seattle Hippie to easy questions...

mornin' gents.

And there's a novelty. Rep Cap.

ewwhite

@Adrian SLOW

Ketan Patel

How can I Setup dns server by Using GUI on ubuntu server ?

tombull89

Who's gonna do the honours?

I thought it would just be apt-get dnsmasq.

Ketan Patel

Thanks

Michael Hampton

This is *NOT* a place for 'Live Support', ask on the main site.

Chris S

14:08

@KetanPatel Don't run a *nix DNS server unless you're ready to do so completely without a GUI.

Cold T

someone shoot me pleaseee

other then that, afternoon everyone :)

Chris S

@ColdT BANG!

Michael Hampton

Crap, I ran out of close votes again.

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Q: MX records set up

I just want to know how other people set up their MX-entries for mail accounts used with google apps. I work at a local web-hosting firm and we get a lot of tickets from clients who want to set up these settings. I just set them up something like: example.com. 14400 IN MX 10 ALT1.ASPMX.L...

domain google-apps mx-record google-mail

Journeyman Geek

@ChrisS eh. I think 'don't run a server unless you're ready to do so completely without a gui is true too ;p

Chris S

@JourneymanGeek Ok, fixed as that statement is blatantly misleading for Windows DNS.

Journeyman Geek

14:17

Isn't windows leaning more towards the powershell route as well now?

Chris S

Also, not saying that you have to only use the CLI, but you should be able to... And if you can't, I still think you shouldn't be running a *nix DNS server.

@JourneymanGeek Yeah, but it's still much easier and almost all the options are in the GUI...

Iain

@ChrisS s/DNS//

Chris S

@Iain That too... But this was specifically asking about "how DNS is formed?"

wfaulk

Yesterday's interviewee result:

fgrep -R $string | xargs rm {}

also:

find . -name $string -exec rm $i

Chris S

@wfaulk I thought you wanted to keep the files?

Iain

14:28

@wfaulk what was the question ?

HopelessN00b

@wfaulk So, still no smart candidates who gave anything resembling my answer, huh?

wfaulk

yeah, I do, but after seeing that mess, I didn't feel like bothering to correct him on that point

Iain

ah - same question then

Chris S

@Iain Write a script to search for files that contain $string and move them to $directory (yesterday's version)

wfaulk

@HopelessN00b s/who gave anything resembling my answer//

correct

yeah, same question

Iain

14:30

@ChrisS that was so far off I thought it may have been different though

Chris S

rm deletes the files though... not move them. Though, that'd be only a slightly different question.

wfaulk

yeah, I stated that multiple times, but after he told me that -name searched through the file, I figured "why bother?"

ewwhite

I need HELP!!!

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite FORMAT C:

ewwhite

It's 10:31...

Adrian

14:32

@ewwhite Hey, I'm only slow when it matters!

Erm

wfaulk

@ewwhite stop using pool.ntp.org

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite Hm, that seems just ever-so-slightly wrong.

tombull89

Silly US date/time format.

ewwhite

and I'm seeing a lot of VMWare hosts at a particular site where the time is WAYYY off.

HopelessN00b

@wfaulk I'm using the same pool, an dI have 10:32

Iain

14:32

@wfaulk I could talk about how and rough out a top level designy thing but I know I'd screw up on a switch somewhere if I didn't have access to the man pages

Chris S

@wfaulk pool.ntp.org automatically kicks time servers that are off.

ewwhite

"a lot" == 30+ ESXi 4.x hosts.

wfaulk

@ChrisS not in my experience

I've had nothing but problems

ewwhite

I'm thinking it's a clock skew + HWclock issue.

HopelessN00b

@wfaulk From how long ago? It's worked for me really well for the past ~5 years.

wfaulk

14:33

@HopelessN00b yeah, but the machine you get is random

ewwhite

but don't know what to tell the people who've designed this setup.

Chris S

@wfaulk Oh yeah. I run a server in the pool and I've got notices that my server was kicked because it was too far off.

wfaulk

@HopelessN00b 2-4 years ago

ewwhite

It's SuperMicro gear, so I'm wondering if there's an issue there.

wfaulk

set up your own ntp server and see if the problem goes away

ewwhite

14:34

@wfaulk Not an option.

wfaulk

and point it at a real NTP source

HopelessN00b

@ewwhite Only if it's misconfigured, and not ignoring/superseding the HW clock for whatever reason.

Chris S

@ewwhite Can you run ntpq -p on it?

ewwhite

Too complex of a network and multi-tenancy...

wfaulk

@ewwhite then just use a real NTP source. There are a variety of open stratum 2 servers

ewwhite

14:35

@ChrisS I will try.

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite Are they blocking NTP traffic at a firewall?

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton This is like... hundreds of networks.

Chris S

@MichaelHampton That ntpq -p command would tell him what's going on, including blocked from accessing the NTP servers.

Michael Hampton

kb.vmware.com/kb/1005092

wfaulk

@ewwhite you could try turning off NTP and turning it back on, hopefully getting a new pool host

Cold T

14:38

what a crazy week

Chris S

@MichaelHampton Ah, have to run it remotely; that's a PITA

wfaulk

@ChrisS also have to disable noquery in the NTP configuration

Cold T

@ewwhite have you tried setting that up on a different machine with those NTP and see firstly if it pulls the right time?

Chris S

@wfaulk Really?! Why is that on by default?

Michael Hampton

Insane defaults give sysadmins something to do.

Chris S

14:42

@wfaulk It's probably a better idea to pick a S2 server that's near by and substitute that for one of the servers in the list... That'll add a bit of reliability against somehow ending up with 3 bad pool.ntp.org servers.

wfaulk

@ChrisS I guess so that people don't steal VMware's ~~precious bodily fluids~~ time data

Chris S

@wfaulk NO HTML-IN-CHAT FOR YOU!

Cold T

lol

wfaulk

yeah, and I don't think markdown has a strikethru option

ewwhite

:)

Chris S

14:44

I thought it did for some reason...

tombull89

~~nah, it doesn't.~~ oh really.

ewwhite

it does

Cold T

for some users apparently it does

tombull89

triple dash before and after text.

Michael Hampton

@wfaulk Three hyphens.

wfaulk

14:44

dammit. too late now

Cold T

lol

tombull89

~~<s>hmm</s>~~

Hennes

///triple/// ?

wfaulk

the great thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from

Hennes

ah, dash, not slash ~~foo~~

Aye

We was that? Dijkstra?

Ah, no. Tanenbaum

Michael Hampton

14:46

Go play in the Sandbox.

Tom O'Connor

I feel OLD superuser.com/questions/231273/…

Hennes

It has been ages since I had a windows without c: drive (I think I just had f:

)

Cold T

woah A & B drives

Michael Hampton

I sort of vaguely remember floppy disks.

ewwhite

Okay, NTP and ESXi... I took a sample and found over 30+ host systems with the wrong time.

Cold T

14:48

@ewwhite that is bad...

ewwhite

@ColdT And why is it bad?

Hennes

The nicely consistent (nah) way of drive B: acting as a fake second drive.

But only if you had no second drive

Cold T

bad for replication, bad for authentication

Hennes

I should still have a computer with ONLY floppy drives

4.77Mhz XT, portable

ewwhite

Because reboots of the host would skew VM times? Because it indicates a hwclock sync issue? Because there may be a network problem communicating with the NTP servers.

Hennes

14:49

We gave it the hostname Hernia

wfaulk

@Hennes does that imply that it was networked?

Hennes

It came with a build in 7 inch CRT and a nice steel bar to carry it

It was. Around 1991 we needed some more terminals. As a temp fix we found a ISA (8bit) card. I think it was a 8003. Installed DOS on the 360k drives and NCSA telnet

ewwhite

@ColdT The guest VM's on top of the hosts seem to have the right time.

wfaulk

@ewwhite are they also running ntp?

ewwhite

yes

wfaulk

14:52

same peers?

ewwhite

[root@boo-tay]# cat /etc/ntp.conf
tinker panic 0
restrict 127.0.0.1
restrict -6 ::1
restrict default kod nomodify notrap
driftfile /var/lib/ntp/drift
keys /etc/ntp/keys
server 0.us.pool.ntp.org
server 1.us.pool.ntp.org
server 2.us.pool.ntp.org
server 3.us.pool.ntp.org

wfaulk

is it possible that the ESX hosts' console and/or vmkernel interfaces don't have connectivity to the internet?

Cold T

@ewwhite i presume they are not running the time sync tool on the guests vm if you're saying the time is correct on those VMs?

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite What are you seeing in the logs?

HopelessN00b

`tinker panic 0`

Lol... I love reading Linux logs. So much to appeal to the demented, perverted way my mind "works"

ewwhite

14:54

@ColdT definitely not on Linux. It could be spotty on Windows guests.

Michael Hampton

@HopelessN00b That's not a log, it's a configuration file!

ewwhite

@wfaulk it may be possible.

Again, is this something I should pursue? It seems very wrong.

wfaulk

@ewwhite if all your guests are running NTP and they're okay, it's probably not a huge deal

ewwhite

@wfaulk Some guests had issues after being vmotioned to a host with incorrect time.

which killed SSL connections

wfaulk

it's just like if the RTC on the hardware were bad and you were using NTP to fix that

@ewwhite yeah, I was going to bring that up

you could try removing the noquery option from them and actually have them sync among themselves

ewwhite

15:00

@wfaulk Right, that's how I feel.

Chris S

@ewwhite If they have more than a dozen machines they should have their own NTP server, configured to sync to at least 4 external time sources (one of which should be tick.usno.navy.mil or another S1 server, and the configuration should 'prefer' that one). All the local machines should be configured to sync to that local time server. This will prevent time differences across the servers, which is critical to analyzing logs, many authentication schemes (kerb requires <5 min), and preserve sanity.

wfaulk

it doesn't make a lot of difference what the time is as long as it's the same

ewwhite

@ChrisS So this is at new job... and yeah. I'm used to running time servers internally off of a switch, router, link to GPS time, or from a financial exchange's source...

and here, none of that exists...

but from what I can see, the ESX hosts can't ping any of the ntp pool servers

Chris S

As Faulk said, it really doesn't matter if they have the right time, though that leads to healthy sanity, as long as as they all agree.

First time you have to chase something across server logs and they all have different times... shudder

ewwhite

There's pretty comprehensive monitoring here... but I don't see how it could work if the time is off

Cold T

15:05

@ewwhite any internet connectivity (dns resolving ok?)

ewwhite

@ColdT DNS resolves. I can't ping from ESXi hosts.

Chris S

@ColdT They're big enough they should have a time server... Even if it's just any old server that's designated "The NTP Server" too.

wfaulk

gointerviews.com/top-50-unix-interview-questions "Kernel is the UNIX operating system. It is the master program that controls the computer’s resources, allotting them to different users and to different tasks. However, the kernel doesn’t deal directly with a user. Instead, it starts up a separate, interactive program, called a shell, for each user when he/she logs on."

ewwhite

@wfaulk um...

Cold T

@ewwhite definetely sounds like an issue with connectivity thats stopping it picking up the right time. The logs will certainly tell you whats up with it. And as @ChrisS mentioned, they are more then big enough to have an internal NTP and then adding external NTPs to the list

ewwhite

15:10

So I'm not crazy

Chris S

@wfaulk I dislike "interviews" with people explaining stuff like that. It's never all that well thought out, as you're catching them "off the cuff", and the answers tend to be "mostly correct" or correct from a certain viewpoint.

Cold T

a company tried to fob us off with £40k worth of Cisco goods, like i wouldn't checkup the serial numbers

Chris S

@ewwhite Well, I don't know about that... But your concern for their NTP practices is well founded.

ewwhite

This is why I'm a bad employee...

Cold T

@ewwhite all about sanity, and no you're right to make those assumptions

ewwhite

15:11

I get caught up in things like this... then I start to question, "well, if they didn't think about this, what else are they missing?"

Cold T

a larger organisation should always have a local NTP, and then maybe 2-3 additional external NTP

NTP servers can be easily missed, i think these things come under finer details

ewwhite

When I went to a 110-person trading firm with 15 locations and 20+ data centers... and realized that they were passing hosts files around and had no DNS, it was a red-flag... and plagued me throughout my time there.

Cold T

no DNS.....!!!! did you jump out the window before you blinked?! i think most people would!

ewwhite

@ColdT no, I went in and spent 18 months trying to fix everything

I still had a few offices that refused to use DNS.

Cold T

paid nicely i hope, cause that's no easy task

ewwhite

15:15

@ColdT The work was easy. the politics weren't. I quit at some point when things got to me

tombull89

@ewwhite why refused to use DNS? That seems a bit...mental.

ewwhite

@tombull89 "Latency and trading system performance"

tombull89

That's why I coudln't be a consultant. I'd give myself brain damage from facepalming so much.

Cold T

politics never easy unfortunately, but why refusing to add DNS is insane...

and by the sounds of it, they need a DCIM as well if they are that unorganised

wfaulk

@ChrisS yeah, that one is just stupid, regardless of the "answer" they gave

Chris S

15:20

Straw Poll: OWA -> Outlook-Web-Access, or opposite

84104

@ChrisS All of my experiences with OWA have been horrible.

wfaulk

it's gotten marginally better in the last version or two

Chris S

I need to merge the tags, which should I keep?

wfaulk

but it is still exchange, which is horrible on its own

HopelessN00b

OWA is pretty good in Exchange 2007 and 2010. Easy to admin in 2010. before that, absolute crap.

wfaulk

15:21

oh

HopelessN00b

@ChrisS keep OWA.

84104

What's opposite?

HopelessN00b

Synonymize the others, if desired.

Chris S

@84104 Outlook-Web-Access -> OWA

Cold T

OWA... whats wrong with it?

seem pretty decent

wfaulk

15:22

there are some other technologies that are abbreviated OWA

Hennes

Keep the long one. It is easier to understand for people who still need their caffeince fix. :)

wfaulk

Oracle Web Access, for instance

HopelessN00b

@84104 he means merge OWA to Outlook-Web-Access, or the opposite, which would be merge Outlook-Web-Access to OWA.

84104

Oh, this is a tagging thing.

Cold T

@wfaulk u got a point there

Hennes

15:22

Cold: My experience with OWA and out of office as less than optimal.

Enable OoO in outlook, disable in OWA -> Still enabled some of the time

But not consistently that way

ewwhite

OWA is good stuff.

84104

@ChrisS Merge into the less ambiguous Outlook Web Access

Cold T

OOF has just worked for me, even when it refused, usually was due to permission

Hennes

And not just my account. Same for the people I had to support

wfaulk

permission?

you need a permission to set an OOO message?

Hennes

15:24

It seemed to work

HopelessN00b

Actually, that's the awesome thing about being a consultant. If they don't want to do things the sane way, so what? More billable hours for you to do monkey work.

Really, it's great. Nothing like getting paid $200 an hour to check logs on individual serves because some PHB thinks he's saving money by not having log aggregation or a monitoring system.

Cold T

@wfaulk when it refused to set the out of office msg (like after migration or new install), it usually is a permission issue such as inheritence within AD

Hennes

But I never looked closely at it. I just forwarded it to the people managing the exchange servers. (UK based folks which did that for all offices in europe)

Cold T

other then that, there are no other permissions required @wfaulk

HopelessN00b

@wfaulk In Exchange, OWA, Notes/Domino, or any other "real" email system, yes. :p

ewwhite

15:25

@HopelessN00b Yeah... $$$

Cold T

personally always worked for me and when it didnt, i knew what to do to fix it quickly

lol agreed lots of $$$/£££!

Hennes

it failed for about 10% of he people in the dutch offices.

Cold T

@Hennes was this a migration from older versions of Exchange?

HopelessN00b

@ewwhite I just did the math on how much money I've been paid thusfar to clean up after the Data Protector solution they went with on account of it being so cheap... 5 figures in my labor to save a few thousand in CapEx. Three cheers for executive accounting skills.

Hennes

No idea. It was running when I became admin. I never needed to manage the exchage server when it was in Woerden. A year later it got migrated to the clustered europe wide (Tyco) exchange services in UK.

Cold T

15:28

@Hennes now you got SF for the future!

Hennes

I never understood exchange either. Why get a mailbox in dutch, but the inbox in german? And why sometimes in English?

Why not one consistent language?

s/mailbox/ most of the mailbox

Cold T

all about configuration lol

Hennes

Why does a 'search all' not search anything but stuff under inbox and sent?

etc

ewwhite

@HopelessN00b It's messy, but people are like that.

Cold T

some people are multilingual and like different languages setup lol

@Hennes definitions weren't so clear before but they are fine now

anyway, time out for me! cya peepz!

Hennes

15:30

Different languages are fine. But part of the program in one language and part of it in an other language is not fun.

HopelessN00b

Because, as insane as it sounds, enough people actually want that kind of "feature" for Microsoft to include it.

I'm with you; my shit displaying in different languages should be a bug, not a feature, but people are weird.

ewwhite

15:55

"A developer ran the following command:
Sudo chmod –R 777 */*"

I love those.

Adrian

Developers....

Mine decided that something was so important and crucial to their work that when I explained what my plan was, Developer just assumed that it wasn;t going to happen the way I described.

HopelessN00b

@ewwhite I love those as a consultant. As an employee, they make me think hold on, I need to find my gun.

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