The Comms Room

Zypher

11:00 PM

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Q: EEEEEK! What the Fruit is going on here?

This page looks all messed up and the title bar has a (Prod) on it

@Zypher eh? linky?

@WesleyDavid purrr

most hilarious thing that has happened in a while

voretaq7

?

Mark Henderson

11:01 PM

@Zypher Bahaha i acually went to meta, saw that banner, thought I was on scifi by mistake and just closed the tab

Zypher

no if you kept refreshing it would have changed

Holocryptic

@Zypher That is brilliant

WesleyDavid

Mark Henderson

What's brilliant is the tag

status-norepro

Holocryptic

"Works on my machine. Sux0rs to be you!"

voretaq7

11:02 PM

@Zypher Have you considered perhaps replacing all your dev's keyboards with like a fisher-price model?

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Zypher

nah ... much prefer hilarity

Mark Henderson

At least it wasn't alert(false)

voretaq7

^ Hilarity.

just remap the keys a little - DEPLOY, OHSHIT (undeploy/rollback), and ya know, whatever the hell else developers need.

Maybe a "my workstation is to slow" whine macro, or a "WORKSFORME" macro...

Mark Henderson

And have one labelled "SVN COMMIT" in one of those missile switch covers

voretaq7

@MarkHenderson BLUE CIRCLE :-)

ok, off to find food. laterZ

Mark Henderson

11:08 PM

Cya

Holocryptic

@MarkHenderson So have we gotten you to be a semi permanent resident here?

WesleyDavid

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Mark Henderson

@Holocryptic Well, its christmas break soon, I'm off from this thursday till the middle of janurary

Tom O'Connor

@WesleyDavid :3

Mark Henderson

Gunna enjoy the summer and the beach

So we'll see if it lasts until next year. My productivity has gone to shit since coming in here though, which reminds me why I stopped coming in here about 12 months ago

Holocryptic

11:11 PM

@MarkHenderson Uh, it's winter, friend

Mark Henderson

@Holocryptic Uuh says you

Holocryptic

December == Winter

:)

Mark Henderson

@Holocryptic December === beach, hot chicks in bikinis that I have no chance of scoring with, 40+ degree days and a massive aircon bill

Holocryptic

@MarkHenderson Well, stop by and say hello but don't let it get in the way of your job

@MarkHenderson I can live with that

Mark Henderson

(no chance of scoring with because I'm married, not because of my body, at all.)

Holocryptic

11:13 PM

(uh-huh) wink

Jacob

@Holocryptic He's in Australia. They have opposite seasons :)

WesleyDavid

@MarkHenderson Suuuuuuuure.

Mark Henderson

Meh, nobody works in December around here

Holocryptic

@Jacob headdesk

Mark Henderson

Im sure my boss dies a little when he sees our billable hours in December

Also, I've never had a turkey at christmas. Christmas lunch is cold meats and salad

And beer. A lot of beer.

And not that fucking swamp water they sell overseas as Fosters. Nobody in Australia drinks fosters. Nobody. I don't even think they sell it here any more

Holocryptic

11:16 PM

Christmas is usually ham and stuff

Tom O'Connor

Christmas is never turkey at my place.

it's almost always roast beef, and ham on Boxing day.

with my special hoisin and orange glaze.

AdrianK

Mmm. Christmas around my place is a huge Prime Rib and Lasagna and Squash souffle.

Holocryptic

Boxing day?

Mark Henderson

So, have I been mislead about all Americans eating turkey at Christmas?

Holocryptic

Is that the whole Boxer rebellion thingy?

AdrianK

11:17 PM

Turkey @ Thanksgiving

Tom O'Connor

@Holocryptic 12/26

Mark Henderson

HOLY SHIT YOU GUYS HAVE 26 MONTHS A YEAR?!

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Holocryptic

Or am I getting my history screwed up?

Jacob

@MarkHenderson Yeah, We don't have turkey @ Christmas

Mark Henderson

Sucked in, I've had christmas at LEAST twice in 26 months

Tom O'Connor

11:18 PM

Boxing day is the day, that traaditionally, people would go and break open "alms" boxes and give the contents to the poor.

AdrianK

Boxing Day is a day to open the alms boxes and give the proceeds to the poor.

Tom O'Connor

Boxing Day

Boxing Day is a bank or public holiday that occurs on December 26, or the first or second weekday after Christmas Day, depending on national or regional laws. It is observed in Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and some other Commonwealth nations. In Ireland, it is recognized as St. Stephen's Day or the Day of the Wren (). In South Africa, Boxing Day was renamed Day of Goodwill in 1994. In the Netherlands, Lithuania, Austria, Germany, Scandinavia, and Poland, December 26 is celebrated as the Second Christmas Day. Although the same legislation – the Bank Holidays Act 187...

Holocryptic

Oh. I guess I'm a heathen then.

Mark Henderson

So has everyone done their christmas shopping?

AdrianK

@Holocryptic Nah, it's that they don't actually teach history in US schools anymore.

Holocryptic

11:19 PM

Holy shit! I just got a personal appeal from the inventor of the wiki!

AdrianK

@MarkHenderson you betcha. all done, even the girlfriend's present.

Tom O'Connor

@MarkHenderson All the important stuff.

Holocryptic

@MarkHenderson nope

Haven't even started looking yet

I should probably get on that...

Tom O'Connor

@Holocryptic Does he have $112,000,000,000 that he needs help moving?

Mark Henderson

Hah, same :( I just buy crap like iTunes vouchers for the wife and hardware shop vouchers for my Dad

Shopping is tough these days

AdrianK

11:20 PM

One of the gifts is an airline ticket. I'm flying out on the 28th to meet her parents.....

Holocryptic

@TomOConnor No. I guess he just wants me to read something. No strings attached.

@AdrianK Nice

AdrianK

@Holocryptic Does mean I have to fly sober into Sun Valley though. I'm not looking forward to that.

pauska

hmm I need to find a new nespresso machine

Mark Henderson

@Holocryptic Sounds like you're going to end up with a foriegn object in your butt. Without a string.

@AdrianK is that a long trip?

Holocryptic

@MarkHenderson Nope. Wrong end...

@AdrianK why sober?

AdrianK

11:23 PM

@MarkHenderson scary landings there. nasty crosswinds, short runways, and narrow-ish valley.

Mark Henderson

@AdrianK Well that's OK. If you die, it's not like that's your problem.

Some would say it's only just seeing as how you never asked to be born either.

AdrianK

@Holocryptic Because I'll be meeting her parents minutes after I step off the plane. And I NEVER fly sober.

Mark Henderson

And if its a huge fireball you and your girlfriends folks will get a huge payout

Holocryptic

@MarkHenderson LOL. I'm glad you started hanging out here...

AdrianK

@MarkHenderson Hmm. That would be problematic. I've already got a plan where I'm supposed to be buried with my motorcycle.

Holocryptic

11:25 PM

@AdrianK Why not drive? You can do that and drink too... Or so I've been told. Or is that the other way around...

Mark Henderson

@Holocryptic My wife and I have a different take on life. When we were dating and discussing kids, I asked her how many she wanted. She said she wanted 3. I only want 2, so I asked her why. she said, and I quote, "so that if one dies, the other one won't be lonely"

Holocryptic

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Tom O'Connor

@MarkHenderson I suspect using the words "Hot Spare" is frowned upon, here.

Holocryptic

That is a great way to look at life

Mark Henderson

But now that we've got one kid, after the 2nd is born Im going to the doctor and get him to give me the snip. And if that doens't work, he can chop my balls off

AdrianK

11:27 PM

@Holocryptic it's complicated. we're driving her new car back to Seattle from southern idaho. should be interesting.

Mark Henderson

Unless I'm like Jeff Atwood and the 2nd kid turns out to be twins. Then I'm screwed

Holocryptic

@MarkHenderson You've gotten approval from the Mrs to do that, right?

Mark Henderson

@Holocryptic Hmmm..... I'll worry about that later

The whole permission/forgiveness thing...

Holocryptic

@AdrianK You bought a car in Idaho to drive back?

AdrianK

@Holocryptic here they require the Mrs. to sign off on it before they'll do it.

Holocryptic

11:28 PM

@AdrianK Are you for srs?!

Rob Moir

I think most women would interpret that as your way of saying there haven't been enough arguments lately.

Tom O'Connor

@AdrianK That's insanity. What business is it of hers what you do with your bollocks?!

Mark Henderson

@AdrianK Where is "here"?

Holocryptic

@MarkHenderson WA

AdrianK

@Holocryptic oh yeah. Washington State. And the irony of that was not lost on me either.

Mark Henderson

11:29 PM

@Holocryptic Western Australia?

Holocryptic

@MarkHenderson Close enough. Time zones and all that

Rob Moir

I think in a family serious decisions should be discussed by both parties, but at the end of the day, much like abortion, its one person's body so that person has the ultimate choice

Mark Henderson

Well wherever WA is, i'm not going to move there till after I have my balls decomissioned

Tom O'Connor

@RobMoir I suspect there's less call for backstreet vasectomies.

AdrianK

@RobMoir uh yeah. That's a bit of a one-way street anymore.

Mark Henderson

11:30 PM

@RobMoir of of course, I would never actually do it without discussing it with the mrs

Rob Moir

of course

@MarkHenderson that was

AdrianK

As the Malaysians say: Jalan Sahala.

Rob Moir

I've even seen anti-abortion demonstrators here in the UK, lining the street protesting.

Zoredache

@AdrianK Is that a legal requirements, or simply a policy decision by the doctors office?

Tom O'Connor

@AdrianK Is that malay for "You can always adopt?"

Mark Henderson

11:31 PM

But I'd also be pretty pissed if the mrs had an abortion when I wanted to keep it, and I would be willing to raise the child on my own

After all, it is half my baby

AdrianK

@TomOConnor one way street =)

Rob Moir

I am always suspicious of groups that think you can reduce a complex issue to a couple of phrases to chant on a street corner and retain any rational meaning

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Holocryptic

Abortion is an... interesting... topic.

Tom O'Connor

Rob Moir

always a classic

AdrianK

11:32 PM

@Zoredache I'm not sure, honestly. There's precious little difference between the effects of legislation and case law in this country anymore though.

Tom O'Connor

It's a shame the F doesn't match the slant of the sign

Mark Henderson

@AdrianK My local GP has a sign out saying that he won't give referrals or advice regarding the termination of pregnancy, based on his religious beliefs

Tom O'Connor

@MarkHenderson I'd call for him to lose his license.

Mark Henderson

@TomOConnor What he's doing is not against the law here, and I am the first person to respect someone's religious beliefs. And he's a really, really good GP

If you want to terminate your pregancy, go to a different doctor, problem solved

Tom O'Connor

@MarkHenderson I suppose there's that.. but it seems a bit weird behavior, IMO.

AdrianK

11:34 PM

@MarkHenderson Yeah, it's a very squishy thing.

Tom O'Connor

I mean. I'm the worst person to talk about this. I'm never going (hopefully) to be faced with this decision

Holocryptic

@TomOConnor You don't want kids?

Rob Moir

I have to say that the idea that someone in that position would fail to give the best professional advice because of their personal morals bothers me

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pauska

Mark Henderson

@RobMoir Not so sure. I would rather him be honest about it, than not put the sign up and then use trickery to decieve you about it

And when we were pregnant, he did tell us that he would assist us in the termination of the pregnancy if the child had a serious condition

Rob Moir

11:37 PM

Mark yes, I understand that he's going about it in the best possible way. It still makes me feel a little uncomfortable

Tom O'Connor

@Holocryptic I'm gay and infertile. The odds aren't with me.

pauska

@TomOConnor Adoption

Mark Henderson

@pauska Adoption doens't invovle abortion :p

Holocryptic

@RobMoir hmmm. I think it's better he's honest about it, rather than have to force him to subscribe to something he doesn't believe in

Tom O'Connor

@pauska Then it won't be my abortion.

Mark Henderson

11:37 PM

(at least, I fucking hope you can't abort an adopted child)

Holocryptic

@TomOConnor plenty of gay people adopt. You wouldn't be the first

pauska

oh I didnt read your 900 page discussion here, TOO LONG DIDNT READ

I just saw Tom saying he cant produce kids

Holocryptic

@TomOConnor Sorry, I was just curious. Didn't mean to push you on it

Tom O'Connor

@Holocryptic it's cool.

Mark Henderson

@TomOConnor If I remember correctly didn't somone call you a homophobic slur on server fault just trying to be rude and you put them in their place?

Zoredache

11:39 PM

@MarkHenderson sure you can, just do it post-birth. Though you have to be careful, some people classify that as homicide.

Rob Moir

I absolutely agree that its better that he's honest about it. As I say, he's going about things in the best way possible under the circumstances. I still feel uncomfortable with the idea that a doctor would compromise their treatment of patients due to something like that.

Tom O'Connor

@MarkHenderson Er. Something like that. There was also jewgate earlier in the week.

Holocryptic

SEE! We can have rational, adult discussions in here! So nanny nanny boo boo to you!

Mark Henderson

@RobMoir Well, he did say he would help us if the child would have a crappy life, but he won't deal with teenage girls who got pregnant at a party

Holocryptic

sorry, got carried away

Tom O'Connor

11:40 PM

Mark Henderson

@TomOConnor Are you also an Israeli?

(or is that Isralite?)

Holocryptic

The latter

Tom O'Connor

@MarkHenderson Nah. I'm not really jewish enough to be jewish. It's in the family.. but notquite enough.

Rob Moir

Yeah, even though i'd say I was pro choice, I don't like the idea of people doing something so serious as abortion as a form of birth control

Holocryptic

@MarkHenderson actually, I think both work...

Mark Henderson

11:41 PM

@TomOConnor Ah, if you were an Isralite, that would be a 100% hit rate that every single Israeli jew I know is gay

Holocryptic

LOL

Tom O'Connor

@MarkHenderson haha.

Rob Moir

now i'm wondering why mark tracks these things

Mark Henderson

I'll ahve to settle for 4/5

Tom O'Connor

Jacob did once put his foot in it. I can't for the life of me remember what he said.

Mark Henderson

11:42 PM

(I'm counting Joel Spolsky in that, even though I don't actually know him)

Tom O'Connor

@MarkHenderson I didn't realise Joel was gay..

Jacob

@TomOConnor I remember....

Mark Henderson

@TomOConnor He doesn't make a big deal out of it, but he does always introduce one of the board members of Fog Creek as "his boyfriend"

So he doesn't hide it

Rob Moir

I remember it happening

but not the details

Mark Henderson

I remember reading a lot of hateful things on the internet about people who had read his books (I own all of them) and then all of a sudden doubting the content of the books because of his sexual orientation

Tom O'Connor

11:43 PM

@MarkHenderson It's not Jeff Atwood, is it?

Mark Henderson

As if somehow being gay means that good advice suddenly becomes bad?

@TomOConnor Haha, no, it's some guy called Jarrod I think

Tom O'Connor

@MarkHenderson Certainly not fashion advice.

Rob Moir

bigotry doesn't make sense

by definition its irrational

Holocryptic

Not to rational people, no

jinx

Mark Henderson

@RobMoir When i was a teenager, i was the equivalent of a redneck (what we called a bogan) and I was really into gay bashing (not literal bashing, but gay people were fun to make fun of). Then when I turned about 17 or 18, all of a sudden I realised that I was just being a dick

Tom O'Connor

11:45 PM

>.>

Mark Henderson

So I try to make an effort to stop people from doing it these days

Don't worry I'm not a bogan any more

Rob Moir

that's part of growing up I guess, we do foolish things when we're young. My parents were racist - shames me to say it but its true - and I had to work hard to get away from that mindset, as did my brother

Mark Henderson

And my son's favourite colour is pink, so... make of that what you will...

Tom O'Connor

@MarkHenderson 10.0.0.0/8 Just a bogon instead?

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Mark Henderson

@RobMoir Oh man, don't get me started on the racism where I used to live.

Rob Moir

11:47 PM

I did take great pleasure in taking an indian girlfriend home to meet mum and dad once ;-)

Mark Henderson

I can't be friends with most of the people I went to school with because of the crap they say when they're drunk

Tom O'Connor

@RobMoir Risky, i'd've thought.

Mark Henderson

@RobMoir Haha, that would have been fun. Some indian chicks are super hot

Rob Moir

they weren't the UK equivalent of the KKK or anything, just very much 1950s / 1960s british "birds of a feather should stick together"

Holocryptic

I'm just a fan of women in general

Mark Henderson

11:48 PM

My in-laws are a bit racist. They're croatian, and if myw ife had brought home a serbian guy, they probably would have hit him with a shovel

Rob Moir

@TomOConnor I knew they wouldn't say anything, just choke a bit on the subject and I warned her in advance

Tom O'Connor

@RobMoir What was that crap racist sitcom from the early 70s, with the "our neighbour's a darkie" shit

Rob Moir

@MarkHenderson and she was super hot

Holocryptic

Mainly because they're so good at eluding me. Women are like my unicorn.

Mark Henderson

@RobMoir Of course she was, she was your girlfriend

And if she broke up with you, she was also a bitch ;)

Rob Moir

11:49 PM

oh believe me those two things were unrelated

Mark Henderson

@RobMoir In my experience, the hotter they are the more bitchier they are

Rob Moir

@TomOConnor there was a lot of crap racist stuff on TV back then

Jacob

Quickbooks is the most F***up Software EVAR

Mark Henderson

Mainly because we give people with good looks special treatment, so they grow up with an air if entitlement

Tom O'Connor

@MarkHenderson This is true.

Journeyman Geek

11:49 PM

eh, true of women of any culture ;p

Mark Henderson

@Jacob Bah humbug to that, you should try integrating with MYOB. They use a C-tree database from 1954

Tom O'Connor

@JourneymanGeek True of men, too.

Holocryptic

@JourneymanGeek Your dog is underdressed, sir

Rob Moir

I think some people who are super attractive just take it, and your attention, for granted

Journeyman Geek

@Holocryptic: tried to get a hat on him. I have the scars to prove it

Mark Henderson

11:50 PM

@RobMoir Just try having a conversation with one though

Journeyman Geek

@TomOConnor: Only man i have dated was born a woman ;p

Mark Henderson

I really don't give a shit how that gucci handbag was on sale, $900 is still TOO FUCKING MUCH FOR A HANDBAG

Tom O'Connor

@JourneymanGeek Interesting.

Journeyman Geek

and was a total self obsessed pain in the ass

(not literally)

Rob Moir

yes

Jacob

11:51 PM

Anyone ever setup Quickbooks on a server?

Tom O'Connor

@MarkHenderson Which is why the rucksack was invented.

pauska

my girlfriend is russian (moved to norway when she was 7)

imagine the shit she's gotten over the years over the whole bride.ru thing

Holocryptic

@Jacob Ew

Tom O'Connor

@Jacob Nay. I suspect you'll have massive lockfile issues.

Rob Moir

quickbooks? on a server? I'd rather install OS/2

pauska

11:52 PM

(there was an explosion of norwegian men marrying russian hookers before bride.ru)

Mark Henderson

@pauska If my mother in law dies before my father in law is too old, we're going to get him a russian bride

Rob Moir

and I'm not exactly known for my love of OS/2 ;-)

Mark Henderson

It will be a business arrangement and they will both be happy. She gets to come to a better country and he gets someone to cook for him.

Journeyman Geek

@pauska: hookers need love too. Just ask house!

Rob Moir

and bender from futurama. He knows all about hookerbots

Tom O'Connor

11:53 PM

:O Pauska has a girlfriend

Mark Henderson

@JourneymanGeek I watched a Louis Theroux documentary on hookers, he went to a proper brothel, not one of these dodgey ones, those girls were earning in excess of $40,000 a month

Tom O'Connor

1) Sysadmins can get girlfriends?

Holocryptic

Some even get married

Tom O'Connor

o.O

Mark Henderson

@TomOConnor Sure, if you want. Or you can have a boyfriend. But if you have a boyfriend you can't always get married.

Rob Moir

11:53 PM

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Holocryptic

INORITE?

Tom O'Connor

Mind * blown*

Journeyman Geek

@MarkHenderson: at that point they're professional ladies of negotiable affection, not hookers ;p

Mark Henderson

@RobMoir ... did you take that photo just then, or did you have it stored somewhere?

Journeyman Geek

@RobMoir: its one of the OSes i've been curious about simply cause it was a dead end... and yet it kept running so long

Holocryptic

11:54 PM

hmmm, I wonder how long before stuff gets flagged...

Rob Moir

@JourneymanGeek a lot of kiosk type apps ran on it - ATMs for example.

Tom O'Connor

@Holocryptic Ages, we're all mature (regular) adults tonight.

@RobMoir And now they're all NT4.

Rob Moir

yep. "progress" they call it.

Holocryptic

@TomOConnor heh

Journeyman Geek

@RobMoir: in short, where people never had to mess with it at all?

AdrianK

11:56 PM

@TomOConnor So, have you ever visited the United States?

Journeyman Geek

eh, i think my bank runs XP ;p

least teh last time i got a cryptic error message

Tom O'Connor

@AdrianK Yeah. I grew up there ;)

Mark Henderson

@JourneymanGeek That's OK my supermarket runs NT4 workstation on their registers

Holocryptic

@JourneymanGeek not surprising. They take forever to upgrade

Rob Moir

@JourneymanGeek pretty much. It's not something you're going to want on your desktop

AdrianK

11:57 PM

@TomOConnor Oh, sounded like you were talking about some place where they have mature adults..

Journeyman Geek

@RobMoir: i donno, i don't like the idea of desktops OSes anywhere other than desktops

Tom O'Connor

@AdrianK Well, there's a few of us here who aren't in the USA.

Simon Sheehan

Supermarkets around here use some modified Windows 95 thingy.

Tom O'Connor

Me, Rob, Pauska, at least.

Simon Sheehan

I'm from Canada.

AdrianK

11:58 PM

@TomOConnor Yeah, makes sense. At least there's some hope for the species.

Simon Sheehan

Also, hello everyone! I haven't talked much here, i just idle

Mark Henderson

@SimonSheehan Hello

Rob Moir

@JourneymanGeek I hear that but OS/2 was a desktop or server type deal much like the windows NT family

Tom O'Connor

@SimonSheehan Hi!

Journeyman Geek

Singapore

Holocryptic

11:58 PM

People see me lurkin. They hatin.

Simon Sheehan

How's everyone doing?

Mark Henderson

Waiting for lunch time to tick over. 1 minute to go...

Holocryptic

High on Percocet. So pretty good.

Rob Moir

off to bed soon. its late and cold

Mark Henderson

@Holocryptic And now we're not sure if you're being serious or joking...

AdrianK

11:59 PM

@Holocryptic sweet. that stuff was fun when I shattered my arm.

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