The Comms Room

I'm a city fan so my head's spinning right now, apparently manchini spoke to sheik whatever last night about adam johnson's injury and was told to do whatever he wanted

Jacob

If I see /24 I think Class C but I don't say if your bigger than C you need a class B....

SmallClanger

1:07 PM

Classes do help in understanding the thinking behind the allocations, though.

Jacob

@SmallClanger how?

Robert Moir

Yeah I think understanding how classes work do help

if only as a history lesson: how we got to where we are now

Jacob

because back in the day 4.3B was enough

SmallClanger

Back when the IP space was nout but fields.. eeeh, those were the days. :)

(I don't claim to know, though, I'm only 36).

Dan

Ah, it must be Monday. Degraded array on my dev VM box.

Jacob

1:09 PM

I'm15 you now about it more than I

Mister IT Guru

ah... shoot...! Seems that the fate of our star striker is up in the air at the moment :(

SmallClanger

@Jacob: Take a look at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/… and then en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIDR

Chopper3

@Jacob damn, same age as my son - wow, feel old now

Robert Moir

I wasn't joking about him being for sale

Jacob

ahh soccer(football or better Fussball) German speaker

SmallClanger

1:14 PM

There's some background there on how address ranges were handed out, back when it was just Military/Academic and the odd big tech firm.

Jacob

@SmallClanger I know what CIDR is :)

@Chopper3 Personal Question does your son want to work in IT?

Robert Moir

Top tip #1: never ever admit to working in IT at a party, unless you feel like the doctor who foolishly does the same and spend the evening being asked to look at 'weird rashes'

lynxman

The one thing I'm not looking forward to is relearning the CIDR table again

Chopper3

@Jacob No, forensics/pathology or maybe something history related - obsessed with rowing at the moment though

Jacob

@Chopper3 I'm cooler :)

Chopper3

1:18 PM

@RobertMoir agreed, I can genuinely say I work in TV now :)

@Jacob he's 6 1/2 foot tall and plays bass in a band though ;)

Robert Moir

I'd rather say I played piano in, uh, a house of ill repute than say I work in IT. I really don't need to hear everyone's opinion on Apple, or why their Symantec install isn't working

lynxman

@robertMoir hear hear

@RobertMoir worst thing is that when you say you're an Engineer people assume all kind of crazy stuff, so far the craziest is somebody asking me to fix their fridge

Robert Moir

and the band's name has changed since the last time you spoke of it, chopper, by any chance?

Chopper3

It's funny that I'd never really shown too much interest in the actual content-production/legal side of TV before - loved watching it etc - but I've accidentally learnt SO much more stuff about how it's made, the financial side, scheduling, all manner of stuff that I'd never been exposed to before

Robert Moir

too true lynxman

Chopper3

1:21 PM

@RobertMoir he spent the weekend revising for a maths paper today so literally zero socialising all weekend

Robert Moir

ah

theregister.co.uk/2011/01/31/top_gun_repurposed

Jacob

I'm heading for a geometry exam yay...

Be back around 11:30

Robert Moir

Exam? good luck Jacob!

Jacob

@RobertMoir thanks

Robert Moir

I rather think Active Storage are about to announce a "drop in" replacement for the Apple Xserve

lynxman

1:27 PM

@RobertMoir shame... I was expecting a repurposing of the volleyball scene :)

Robert Moir

hehe chance would be a fine thing

i think all the films cruise has been in need a "gritty reboot" in which he dies.

Sure it'll be a problem working that into some of them, but just think of the viewing figures!

Chopper3

anybody else feel like a paedo? ;)

packs

@Chopper3 Wow. what a comment to walk in on.

lynxman

rofl

Chopper3

only just found out Jacob is 15

lynxman

1:32 PM

his ID says 15 but if you look in @Jacob eyes you see a wiseness of much older age

:)

Chopper3

don't want people thinking we're grooming him :)

@lynxman tell that to the cops

packs

Somebody needs to groom these kinds nowdays. What with their wild hair and ratty clothes.

lynxman

@packs they're all a bunch of hippies

Chopper3

ok, maybe the term 'grooming' means something different in the UK/US ;)

Robert Moir

i rather hope so

lynxman

1:37 PM

<oliver>Excuse me sir, can I have more?</oliver>

Robert Moir

and i'm so staying out of this conversation, joking or otherwise, what with the whole working in a college thing and the whole politically correct thing these days

packs

@Chopper3 In the US, grooming is often used to describe the process by which an more experienced professional trains an unexperienced person for a specific career path (often the same as the trainer).

Chopper3

good idea

packs

It usually has less to do with fiddling.

Chopper3

yeah, I can see that

Robert Moir

1:41 PM

@packs i thought the term was mentoring

packs

@RobertMoir Pretty dang close, but grooming seems to have the implication that there is more of a motivation in the training.

Robert Moir

yeah I've heard about it in terms of grooming one's successor as opposed to mentoring juniors in a team in general.

packs

It's not that I want to teach you how to do the job using myself as an example. It's that I want you to take this specific career path, and I will only teach you what's necessary to force you down that path.

lynxman

@Jacob ran away, I think he was uncomfortable with the conversation =)

Robert Moir

he had to go do an exam i think

I've got lots of meetings this next two weeks, sitting here taking notes on what i want to say in all of them. What fun!

lynxman

1:47 PM

@RobertMoir sounds like tons of fun indeed </sarcasm>

Robert Moir

oh yeah

Chopper3

our financial year starts in April so we've spent the last month finalising all of the budgetary requests for FY11-12, some stuff we know will go through but now it's a bit of a waiting game before we find out what's going through and what's not - so it's just a case of getting 'orderable' quotes for everything so we can 'throw the switches' as and when we need - which is a bit dull to be honest

hence why I have time for this external work/trip to the US etc.

Robert Moir

sounds good to me

Chopper3

prefer to be designing/building though

Robert Moir

i've got my next server rollout designed, hardware wise, got approval to order... just need Dell to call me back so I can actually place the damn order (see earlier rant on why is it so hard to give people money)

Chopper3

1:55 PM

you 100% dell?

Robert Moir

i wouldn't say we're religiously tied to it but by and large yes. We have a couple of HP servers, plus a MSA 1000, and of course our Apples...

but mostly Dell yes

lynxman

@RobertMoir how is Dell UK coverage? are they any good? Back when I was in Switzerland it was sporadic at best

Robert Moir

for support? They outsource that to Unisys, who have been very good.

lynxman

@RobertMoir interesting

Cakemox

@lynxman Where in Switzerland?

lynxman

1:59 PM

@Cakemox Genève

@Cakemox The 4 hour Gold maintenance contract was a "see you tomorrow" in the best case

Robert Moir

I've certainly been happy with Dell. I'd also be happy with HP or for that matter IBM, they all make good products

lynxman

In CH IBM has amazing support

Bart Silverstrim

@RobertMoir: I'll take your money if you'd like.

Robert Moir

if it was MY money i'd ... no wait i'd keep it if it was my money

Bart Silverstrim

I so need a venture capitalist to give me cash for an idea. Not an implementation of one, just an idea.

lynxman

2:04 PM

@Bart If that was only possible I would be stinky rich :)

Chopper3

Yeah they're all pretty ok at support, HP's actual support people are ace but their first-line phone-monkeys are terrible - I just asked for a better number and was given one but if we ever forget it's a wasted 30 mins until you get past the first guys

Robert Moir

they all play the same game with support:
there's "bronze" support for people who don't know or can't afford better
then there's "gold" support for people with a bit more money
then there's "gold with purple stripes" for people with more money than sense
And then there's "platinum" for people who can't afford downtime and don't care how much it costs as long as they can get through to a real engineer with no messing about

lynxman

Well it makes sense, you get what you're paying for

I rather prefer that than those other places were they have just one single tariff and then they send you away when you're too expensive to maintain

Chopper3

because everything we build is clustered in one form or another we tend to just have some local spares and a pretty modest vendor support contract (next business day is usually good enough)

Robert Moir

sounds good to me

lynxman

2:17 PM

It's a good strategy if you have money for it

unfortunately most of the companies I've worked for were very money tight for hardware

of course they could afford their mercedes though... the bastards

Robert Moir

too true

we've actually done ok for spend here but then its taxpayer's money so i've always tried to be careful

lynxman

I once had to almost put my resignation on the table because they were unwilling to replace a cheap plastic switch for a Cisco Catalyst

Once I got the first one in the platform they were so happy they approved to replace the rest of switches in less than a week

Robert Moir

alls well that ends well then?

Chopper3

senior management manipulation is an experience thing I think, spent decades riding my high horse before realising it's much easier to just play on their fears and construct the solution in such a way that they kind-of think it's their idea but with enough of your input to be sure they know who really fixed it

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Robert Moir

Agreed. I think they call it "Managing upwards"

part of it of course is that you build up a track record over time as someone who can be trusted, too

but yeah you need to speak their language

and align IT requirements to "the strategic needs of the organisation" ahem

Chopper3

2:26 PM

I like "just as long as you understand your risk ok" :)

packs

@Chopper3 That's a good one. Always point out that you (the tech) have done your due diligence and that the liability now rests on management.

Robert Moir

Of course you know that we'll end up having to somehow fix it anyway, right? But at least we aren't "responsible".

lynxman

@RobertMoir that's the dodgy part though, I had managers that refused to do something or to buy something and then proceeded to put blame squarely on me afterwards

packs

@RobertMoir And depending on the specifics, you can have that to point at if the auditors or lawyers start nosing around.

lynxman

@RobertMoir so I ended up CCing his boss on all requests to avoid blame

Chopper3

2:29 PM

that's why you put it in writing

lynxman

@Chopper3 even in writing, he had no shame

packs

@lynxman If you feel that strongly about it, always have an auditable trail in writing.

Robert Moir

+1 putting it in writing...

lynxman

oh yeah I always do put it in writing

but the guy managed to skip that somehow

:)

packs

Moreover, if you genuinely feel like that's a concern. Smells like job search time :)

lynxman

2:30 PM

oh yeah I always do put it in writing

Robert Moir

I don't mind having to be the miracle worker once again. I don't even mind being under pressure when the stuff hits the fan. But I won't take the blame for something I already warned about

packs

I would rather move my family to a new city, than deal with working a job that I'm always watching my back for the boss' crosshairs.

lynxman

@packs that was two jobs ago ;)

packs

@lynxman Good man!

lynxman

Now I can't really complain about my work place, amazing community feeling and support all around

packs

2:31 PM

@RobertMoir I agree. It is one thing when I genuinely screw up, it is quite another to be held up as an effigy.

Robert Moir

indeed

lynxman

@packs hear hear, it requires some skills to be able to navigate through those waters though

I mostly learned by getting it wrong though

packs

@lynxman I would posit that getting burned is how most people learn that lesson.

lynxman

@packs indeed

Cakemox

There is nothing like ITIL to suck the fun out of IT.

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Robert Moir

2:38 PM

useful stuff but very dull

Chopper3

I worked for a decade for Andersen Consulting/Accenture - you don't last that long there without either being a bit of a bastard, learning how to deal with bastards or being a bit of both :)

Robert Moir

i remember the course and exam for the IT foundation.. real hard work

packs

The really nice thing about ITIL, is that it gave us a coordinated collection of terms that we can all use and help foster cross-organization communication. The downside of ITIL is the rest of it.

Chopper3

Where I spend most of my time ITIL qualification is simply a signal that someone has no actual skills of their own

Iain

I've done the ITIL V3 foundation - 3 days extreme dullness

Robert Moir

2:40 PM

heh

we went few a phase of everyone on the team doing it

and it looks nice on the old CV to impress HR people who don't know better

Iain

That's the only reason I did it

packs

Internally, I see the excitement about ITIL being within project management and customer support. Nobody else seems to care.

Cakemox

I don't have a problem with the concept, but all implementations I've encountered are several steps away from reality.

Robert Moir

then to be fair those are bad implementations cakemox - one of the things our instructor was very keen to impress on us was that ITIL was a framework that was supposed to be customised to fit the business...

Iain

that's largley because people fail to adapt it to their needs

Robert Moir

2:45 PM

so when you had the problem manager talking to the change control manager and etc. on paper, the instructor said that quite obviously this entire "meeting" might well take place inside one person's brain in a small business, and to amend your implementation to reflect that

Iain

Adopt and Adapt was heavilly stressed on the course I did

Robert Moir

we were already doing a CMDB and we mostly just adopted the concept of incident vs. problem for the helpdesk staff as opposed to just "a call"

Iain

s/help desk/service desk/

Robert Moir

well we didn't bother with the name change

packs

@RobertMoir Particularly considering that in ITIL lingo the words 'service desk' refer to a set of functions, not to an organizational unit.

Robert Moir

2:49 PM

uh huh... We figured that people here already know what a "help desk" means, and as we also have a "Student Services" department then calling our helpdesk a service desk would just confuse everyone

i get to worry about this because i'm assistant IT department manager as well as the senior engineer. So I get to try and go from server problems to switch configuration to drawing up a rota for the helpdesk staff...

or right now tracking down an internet perfornance issue while drawing up a list of questions for a meeting about outsourcing printing

what fun!

Cakemox

I don't get the naming. The ITIL team insisted we call everything a configuration item. Servers, switches, everything. May as well just call them all "thingies," that's about how useful that name is. Maybe there's a reason behind it, but I just don't understand.

Robert Moir

that would be because they were half asleep throughout the bit of training that covered the change management DB and misunderstood the bit about how every item could be tracked in a CMDB

and thought the name used in the training was more important than the concept being discussed

Chopper3

3:06 PM

why am I always so giddy on transfer day? I don't know what's wrong with me

Zypher

@Chopper3 transfer day?

lynxman

@Chopper3 must be some subconscious desire ;)

SmallClanger

On the subject of training, is there such a thing as a 'practical course on server room architecture'? (Something that covers storage tech, interconnects, capacity planning, power requirements and the like?)

Chopper3

@Zypher in football (soccer to you) there's only two player transfer windows open per year, the last day of each window is traditionally very exciting if you're into that sort of thing, and I am - who does where for how much basically

SmallClanger

@Chopper3: As a Leicester supporter, transfer day is just a day when we can watch all our best talent disappear to bigger clubs. :)

Chopper3

3:09 PM

I had decades like that, very odd to be a city fan these days, very odd

Zypher

@Chopper3 ahhh ... like our trade deadlines that all the sports have here ... yes always a fun day for a fan :)

lynxman

@SmallClanger I think taking the Cisco CCNA is quite good for that, but that's just my own taste, they cover server room labeling, cabling and standards quite well

Chopper3

@Zypher we're pretty much a one-sport-nation so it all boils down to these two days - usually someone massively overspends or is left in a mess - today it'll be either Liverpool or Liverpool doing one or possibly both of those things

Zypher

haha nice

lynxman

@Chopper is it okay to support other teams? I support FC Barcelona (since well I'm actually from there)

Chopper3

3:13 PM

@lynxman yeah, I mean I support Man City but I have quite a fondness for the much smaller local team near where I live (Bournemouth) and have quite a thing for italian side Fiorentina

lynxman

Fiorentina are a very nice time, I'm more for Juventus in Italy though, but it's just due to longlasting friendship with FC Barcelona

same goes for Liverpool

pauska

@Chopper3: Is vmkping via ssh the only way to check connectivity on a ESX/ESXi host? There isnt any hidden (magic) vsphere button that I dont know of?

@Chopper3: Hi btw :)

Robert Moir

@smallclanger if there isn't such a course then maybe there's money in running one. A sort of "A+ for junior sysadmins"

Chopper3

@pauska how do you mean check connectivity? VC pings each host every x seconds

lynxman

@RobertMoir don't think there's one since the OS vendor courses cover just the OS and Cisco covers mostly the network of course

Robert Moir

3:18 PM

@Chopper at the moment it doesn't seem like anyone's actually done very much signing of anyone at all....

Chopper3

@RobertMoir Can we do an "A+ for junior fuckwits" for vgv8 please?

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Robert Moir

I think he could teach that course

lynxman

The Fernando Torres situation is getting all tense news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/9380667.stm

Robert Moir

sorry lynxman I suspect I ruined your day by mentioning that earliser

earlier, even

Chopper3

@lynxman yeah, he's left it late to get all petulant

Robert Moir

3:20 PM

i suspect if l'pool sign a replacement first then he'll b e allowed to go

Chopper3

that's actually the page I have in the corner of one screen today :)

lynxman

@RobertMoir haha no problem, I lol'ed at the vgv8 comment

Chopper3

@RobertMoir think it'll be the other way around, they won't commit to Carroll until they've deffo sorted out torres

Robert Moir

yeah there's an element of that too, they can't afford to be without a leading striker, or to have one big name too many

pauska

@Chopper3 Like pinging a iSCSI target to make sure theres connectivity before trying to rescan adapters etc.. having a bit of a fight with iscsi

SmallClanger

3:23 PM

@RobertMoir - That's what I'm after. I'll be honest. It's for me. I'm looking after a couple of racks of "Box Y for service Z" servers, but it's thoroughly unscalable stuff and I don't want to dive head first in to SANs/fibre etc without a bit more knowledge.

Chopper3

@pauska oh I see, sorry I don't know, don't use iscsi at all sorry

@SmallClanger where are you based? I'd happily help out via a call or meeting (pub ideally :) )

Robert Moir

i don't know anywhere that does a tightly focussed course like that. Unless someone like EMC does training for their boxes

Or just get chopper in ;-)

lynxman

Jusg to two "Nice Answer" badges in under 10 mins \o/

SmallClanger

@Chopper3. Kind of you to offer (and I'm certainly not averse to getting the drinks in in return for assistance), but it's all a bit vague at the moment. I'll know more in 6 months' time.

I was looking at the CCNA, but it only seems to overlap about 30-40% of what would be useful.

Robert Moir

@Chopper3 - I was a little surprised not to get a whining post from him in meta about that post I edited the other day and my vote to close when he reverted. Some people just don't want to help themselves.

Chopper3

3:29 PM

he's a tool

Robert Moir

I think whatever you do theres always an element of having to pick it up best you can, smallclanger

lynxman

@Smallclanger think of it the other way around, you can learn 60% of stuff you don't need but might be useful :)

SmallClanger

True. I say 'useful' in terms of what I'd need to get the job done. I don't doubt nearly all of it would be handy for me, personally. :)

Zypher

@SmallClanger the CCNA or at least the first 1/2 gives you such a great "basic network" level i knowledge i think every it guy should at least read the books/sit in on classes if your local college offers them

lynxman

@Zypher completely agreed, it's a great network basics introduction

pauska

3:32 PM

Yeah, especially the stuff about frame relay and other exciting technologies

;)

lynxman

@pauska frame relay is coming back, for sure! one of this days! :D

Robert Moir

i wonder if that will take off

lynxman

I remember once that a sales guy was all proud because he sold a 6Mb frame relay circuit

he was the joke of the office for several months

Zypher

@pauska they redid the course about 3-4 years ago not much frame relay in there anymore

but you do still see it in large deploys

pauska

Yeah, I know. I took my CCNA while it was a very deep and complex subject. That, plus IPX/SPX/NetBEUI etc

havent renewed it, so I'm thinking about taking CCNA+CCNP again

Tom O'Connor

4:11 PM

hey @lynxman

@lynxman blog.fosketts.net/2010/07/16/fibre-channel-token-ring-fcotr Forget FR coming back, TR is coming back (!)

sysadmin1138

4:23 PM

Fibrechannel over TokenRing does make a certain amount of sense if you ignore existing datacenter protocols and just look at capabilities. However. TokenRing? That's like saying, "We need FibreChannel over IPX!".

To which the answer from most datacenter managers will be, "I swore we ripped all that out in the 90's."

voretaq7

@sysadmin1138 IPX will live as long as printer manufacturers continue to suck

lynxman

@Tom :)

@Tom TokenRing FTW

Chopper3

Do you know what cemented my belief in FCoE? even the exhaustive Cisco manual is only 168 pages (ISBN 978-1587058882), it's simply brilliant

Tom O'Connor

@lynxman Eugh. Next you're going to be singing the praises of FDDI.

sysadmin1138

@Chopper3 Yeah, FCoE is really interesting.

voretaq7

4:27 PM

Anything that only requires 200 pages to explain is worth implementing.

Chopper3

it just works, I totally love it, just need more adoption

voretaq7

anything that requires more than 500 pages to explain is probably horribly broken cough*HTML*cough

Chopper3

the thing to remember all the way through it is that it's got nothing to do with IP, your mind keeps dragging you back to what you do every day so it's hard but it's just very specially-handled ethernet

SmallClanger

How do you mean 'specially handled'? They're still ethernet frames, aren't they?

Tom O'Connor

is anyone using ATAoE?

voretaq7

4:31 PM

@TomOConnor we had a long conversation about it last week, I don't think anyone was using it in production though

Chopper3

@SmallClanger FCoE very very specifically doesn't work over 'regular' ethernet no, it's requires 'data centre ethernet, a minor but important difference that's not supported by much kit today - basically it removes regular ethernet's ability to deliver packets out of sequence and whenever the hell it likes and makes it much more robust - on the basis that it's not being used over vast distances on 1970's kit

@TomOConnor I'm not aware of anyone using it to be honest, though I did once have to use IP over FC to get a file onto an otherwise cut-off box

sysadmin1138

@Chopper3 Oh, is THAT how they're handling the out-of-order-arrival problem.

Chopper3

yeah, and it's the cool bit of that Cisco book - basically it starts out with "so this is why iSCSI is shit and why you wouldn't want to do FC that way, this is how we change (limit really) regular ethernet to create DCE, now that's out of the way FC just works right so don't sweat that bit" - great book

Tom O'Connor

i quite like iscsi

it's good for feeding Windows servers with lacking disk space, a big fat block from a linux server that's got more than it needs.

Chopper3

It's "something for nothing", which is what a lot of people want

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Q: 2U rack hardware, budget but stable, what to buy?

So, I'm tasked with helping buy motherboard/CPU/ram for a 2U server, that will be brought in luggage to China. The requirements are that the hardware is reliable/stable (read: long lasting) at the best price possible. It doesn't matter if it's not bleeding edge. Apparently they already have a ...

what do you guys think we should do with this Q?

Tom O'Connor

4:40 PM

@Chopper3 Looks like Moon on a stick quote-o-matic

Chopper3

tempted to just kill it as I'm all 'giddy' and 'hepped up' watching the transfer news - i.e. know I'm not too objective right this second, someone else please filter reality for me until 23:00pm please :)

sysadmin1138

@Chopper3 On the surface, I just don't know if "recommend me a server-class motherboard" type questions will earn answers here. That looks quite literally 'fly by night'.

Bart Silverstrim

Wha?

they're taking stable server hardware...through an airport in luggage?

Chopper3

football bart, ah - ignore

Bart Silverstrim

The question. About server hardware. In luggage.

Chopper3

4:43 PM

iirc isn't some intel kit still on the banned-export-to-china list? maybe recommend that, a decade in a chinese jail would at least teach him a lesson

sysadmin1138

If the shipment is coming from the US, I just don't know anymore. My question is "why fly it coach when FedEx will deliver?"

Tom O'Connor

I thought i'd answer anyway.

packs

@sysadmin1138 That was my thought. The whole thing seemed real sketchy when they talk about slipping it in through luggage.

voretaq7

@packs they're trying to avoid (a) taxes or (b) export restrictions. Either way, bad news.

packs

@voretaq7 Those are the most likely candidates, yeah. And you're right, either way something smells rather like Shakespearean Denmark here.

Chopper3

4:47 PM

great answer tom

lynxman

@Tom FDDI hmm nah I wouldn't go that far

voretaq7

I'm all for avoiding bureaucracy (we have prototype hardware hand-carried from Japan occasionally because it's faster/cheaper than shipping it and dealing with customs/taxes), but whole servers is a bit unreasonable...

SmallClanger

What's the mains voltage in China?

voretaq7

220@50Hz I think

Tom O'Connor

I added more sarcasm ;P

@Chopper3 thanks.

@Chopper3 Great comment. I giggled rather loudly.

Chopper3

4:50 PM

:)

packs

@TomOConnor Agreed. It made me happy.

Tom O'Connor

serverfault.com/questions/229203/help-with-servers-hosting I could make so much money theoretically, helping morons do their websites

but it'd drive me insane.

voretaq7

@TomOConnor Not worth it.

Some things there's not enough money in the world...

lynxman

@TomOConnor Moar sacrasm!

voretaq7

@lynxman insufficient cowbell?

packs

4:54 PM

@voretaq7 Do you have a fever?

Chopper3

closed as off topic - hmmm, if we had a SE site called "I-Used-To-Be-The-Cleaner-Now-I'm-An-IT-person" I'd have move that question there

voretaq7

@Chopper3 I'm wondering if we need a "SEEK. PROFESSIONAL. HELP." close option. Good for both the crazies and the clueless

SmallClanger

Perhaps a 'Random BOFH' answer.

Jacob

Hey guys... I'm back...

SmallClanger

Something along the lines of: "You'll find your server will weather the journey much more successfully if you pad the interior of the case with something solid; say a few well compressed bricks of resin..."

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Chopper3

4:58 PM

how was your nap?

@SmallClanger hahaha

Tom O'Connor

@SmallClanger Hahahah

Jacob

@Chopper3 @ me?

Chopper3

@Jacob yeah, just kidding

Jacob