The Comms Room

@Jacob if you are interested in doing some work, I'll see if I can send some your way. I don't know what legal stuff is involved due to your age though

Jacob

@AntoniusBloch Yeah, if you can forward some, it'd be great.

Antonius Bloch

what state are you in?

Jacob

Virginia

Antonius Bloch

find out what kind of child labor laws they have

Jacob

@AntoniusBloch I already know....

Antonius Bloch

12:11 AM

I was able to work @ 15

but there were some limitations

Jacob

As far as working from home none

Antonius Bloch

the other thing is as an independent contractor you will need to put aside a portion of your earnings for tax

Jacob

@AntoniusBloch on premises 3 hr day M-F 7sat and Sun ,must be =<35 a week

@AntoniusBloch My dad owns a business and when necessary his advisor does my stuff.

Antonius Bloch

cool

some guys that worked for me in the past didn't set the money aside and got into trouble

Jacob

very useful somethimes...

Antonius Bloch

12:14 AM

do you have a bank account?

Jacob

@AntoniusBloch I use my dads, he trusts me.

Antonius Bloch

what bank?

Jacob

I intend to open my own but I guess I really need a reason and somethink like this would be it...

Suntrust and BB&t

Antonius Bloch

it really helps the accounting

Jacob

@AntoniusBloch ok?

There seems to be much more non professional questions than in the past...

alvosu

12:21 AM

@AntoniusBloch find job for me... i can programming =)

Jacob

@AntoniusBloch how do you intend to contact me and when do you expect that you can get some people on board with it?

@alvosu What language?

@alvosu careers.stackoverflow.com?

alvosu

I like Python and C

Jacob

@alvosu checkout careers.stackoverflow.com?

Antonius Bloch

@alvosu send me your resume too sherman@twocell.com

alvosu

ok

Antonius Bloch

12:24 AM

I'm busy today ... but tomorrow I'll try to find some time to read them and get you set up

Jacob

@AntoniusBloch cool, thanks

Antonius Bloch

yeah I hope it works out

I wish someone had given me a tech job @ 15

instead of washing dishes

Jacob

I'll be on here/my PC from 11:30 to 8 PM est

@AntoniusBloch That was before the Internet which is what allows me to learn this.

I would imagine at least....

Antonius Bloch

god I love the internets

I remember scraping through these crappy tech books trying to learn

Jacob

@alvosu I didn't catch that thanks :)

Antonius Bloch

12:27 AM

information is so much more accessable

do you use skype?

Jacob

Yes

alvosu

@Jacok thanks

Antonius Bloch

I'm sherman.boyd

on skype

Jacob

sent

Antonius Bloch

@alvosu how much python experience do you have?

alvosu

12:31 AM

@AntoniusBloch more than 2 years(sysadmin scripting, django, network, twisted)

@AntoniusBloch generally as replacement Perl

@AntoniusBloch i use fabric to аutomation сontrol

Antonius Bloch

I'm looking at using openstack which uses a lot of python

Jacob

@AntoniusBloch Building our own cloud are we?

Antonius Bloch

yep

Jacob

@AntoniusBloch Need help with that?

hehe

Antonius Bloch

I might start with enomaly

it's expensive, but I'm not sure I can deploy openstack as quickly

and the sooner I deploy the sooner I make $$

Jacob

12:37 AM

@AntoniusBloch Why do you need/want to start a cloud

Antonius Bloch

I'm starting an IaaS

I'll tell you more later

Jacob

Do you just have that much HW just sitting there?

Antonius Bloch

I'm getting it financed

Jacob

@AntoniusBloch sure... :)

Antonius Bloch

right now I just do consulting

Jacob

12:39 AM

@AntoniusBloch So you want to bail on consulting and need someone to takeover?

Antonius Bloch

you got it

Jacob

@AntoniusBloch or was the I'll pass it on code for I want to see it?

Antonius Bloch

???

"I'll pass on it"??

Jacob

@AntoniusBloch I was asking if you wanted to see it for the IaaS but didn't want to state that. but I don't thin you were at this point.

Antonius Bloch

see what? your resume? we can see where you fit in...

Jacob

12:44 AM

@AntoniusBloch I take that as a no?

Hello Tom

Tom O'Connor

hey

yawn I should think about bed.. work tomorrow :O

Jacob

3:27 AM

Is there a way to force an answer to be accepted?

Jacob

3:50 AM

Goodnight... for anyone still in here.

lynxman

9:24 AM

morning fellas

good morning

hey @alvosu waves

ahoy

G'day

@Iain g'day! (drinks a Fosters)

pauska

9:34 AM

it's fun to see how much power you can pack in a 1U server these days (as in released hardware, not the stuff that Chopper3) plays with

alvosu

@lynxman i don't understand you((

pauska

im doing some freelance consulting for my old job, and they've just bought a new HP DL360 G7 with 2x6core 2,67ghz xeons and 60GB RAM

that single box outperforms their DL380 G5 servers combined

Iain

shiney

lynxman

@alvosu hmm tell me where and I'll do my best to translate :)

alvosu

powerful server

lynxman

9:35 AM

@pauska Nice new toy :)

Robert Moir

hi folks

Cakemox

Good morning

lynxman

hey RobertMoir, morning

alvosu

nice servers habrahabr.ru/blogs/hosting/109233 , sorry for language

lynxman

that's a nice setup, although I wouldn't put my finger in there

Cakemox

9:47 AM

Nice. Tetanuscluster.

Robert Moir

Those pictures... I'm not sure if I'm awestruck or terrified

lynxman

I think it's amazing for a good heater replacement, also you never know when you need to calculate decimals of the number Pi

@alvosu the quality of your answers is getting better and better, so is your English, congrats sir

alvosu

@lynxman thanks

lynxman

10:11 AM

Gosh, puppetca is giving me the morning today pout

SmallClanger

10:33 AM

Morning all.

lynxman

morning @SmallClanae

SmallClanger

Interesting coffee break reading: renesys.com/blog/2011/01/egypt-leaves-the-internet.shtml

It took about 7 minutes for Egypt to fall off the internet...

lynxman

That's scary

SmallClanger

I'm no expert on ISP routing, but from the looks of things, once the hotline started rining the 5 major ISPs simply stopped publishing routes.

lynxman

It requires some major coordinated effort to do so, I'm pretty sure the govt either had access to the routers or had some protocol in place

Robert Moir

10:43 AM

I'm fairly sure that all govt's will have something in place. The govt here has a number of arrangements with us and other colleges and universities for all kinds of things

most of which involve shutting stuff down and turning stuff over without a murmer at a second's notice

lynxman

They're scared of the lolcats ;)

pauska

I'm happy for living in Norway

the goverment have absolutely no control of the internet traffic, except a child pornography filter that all the major ISP's have (without force) agreed to implement

SmallClanger

Is that the IWF list?

pauska

the only thing they control is the NIX (Norwegian Internet Exchange), wich essentially is a very large and costly Cisco switch where norwegian ISP's peer with each other

@SmallClanger: Not sure, the Police controls it here

Robert Moir

Probably the IWF list, I think thats been adopted europe-wide

lynxman

10:56 AM

hey @RobertMoir do you usually attend any sysadmin London meetings? (DC4420, DevOps, etc)

Robert Moir

Not really, I'm not based in London and a lot of my "meeting time" is taken up with educationalist specific events

lynxman

@RoberMoir Shame, it would be cool to meet you IRL, you went to LISA'10 as well right?

Robert Moir

nope!

I went to hardly anything last year, we were building a new campus for the last 3 years and moving into it last year.

lynxman

thought you did since I saw you chatting with Nonapeptide

met him and all the other folks back there

Robert Moir

ah... I wasn't there though, would be nice to meet up like you say but I've not done much since we started that move project. If it didn't help us get into our new building then it simply wasn't dopne last year and that included time off.

lynxman

11:02 AM

yeah, I know the pains of moving a datacenter location, been there before

even having a disk cabinet fall on your foot (recommendation: don't try it)

Robert Moir

ouchie

we're only just now getting back to normality and even so, there's the whole "building shakedown cruise" thing

lynxman

how many racks were you moving?

I once had to move 20 racks to another location 10kms away in a weekend, it took weeks of planning and 48 straight hours of work, it's a fond memory though :)

Robert Moir

10, so nothing big in terms of server room... but we move the whole college, not just the datacentre

lynxman

wowza, so that also includes all networking to all the different classes and such, what a pain

Robert Moir

and we also threw in a new IP structure, major infrastructure upgrade to 10Gb, including all the server links, just for LOLs

yeah i'm glad we did it though but yeah it was a frantic summer

lynxman

11:07 AM

10Gb links? *drools

What hardware did you use for that?

Robert Moir

the server bit, the bit i was managing, probably went the smoothest... not because of anythign special our team did (though I was very proud of them!) but simply because it was quite contained. The old server rooms were either empty or they were not, the new ones either full or they were not... etc.

A mix of Intel and Broadcom network cards, depending on what the server vendor said was preferred...

but on the switch side of things, HP procurve switches, with SFP+ connections, both SFP+ Copper for local connections and of course fibre for any links to outside that room

went really well actually

lynxman

Excellent :) I'm looking nowadays to implement 10Gb redudant links with a couple of Cisco routers

amazing stuff

Robert Moir

we looked at Cisco but HP came back with a better quote. Also they were better on the power consumption side of things and being "green" was a major design philosophy for the whole building

lynxman

very very nice

pauska

@RobertMoir: 10GIG-BASET?

lynxman

11:10 AM

you should do a presentation about it, I'm pretty sure many folks would like to hear about it

Robert Moir

not 10Gb Base T, SFP +

pauska

isnt SFP+ just the module standard?

or is this twinax?

Robert Moir

yeah twinax

SFP+ Direct Attach, basically

pauska

ah. how are the twinax cables to mange? Difficult to lay out?

as in cable management etc

Robert Moir

they haven't been too bad - they do have some concerns for bend radius and the like which we were worried about on paper, but in practice they've been easy enough to work with

We have a suspended floor, so we use that to hide slack on those kinds of cables where we couldn't get the right size for the run we were doing and ended up with a lot of slack

Mister IT Guru

11:21 AM

Thing I hate about Monday mornings, is that it's too damn close to Friday evening

Robert Moir

I'd certainly be happy to work with it again

pauska

mmmm suspended floor

I'd like that.

Robert Moir

and i've certainly been happy with the performance since the upgrade

lynxman

@MisterITGuru Then Thursdays must be outrageous :)

pauska

doing FCoE now?

Robert Moir

11:22 AM

nope, nothing fancy like that

this is just for server LAN connections to our network backbone

the only issues we've had in the new building have been with density of workstations causing a bit of a squeeze in the local cabinets

well the only issue with the IT side of things, I mean. The new college buildings themselves have the usual bugs and issues you'd expect from a big fancy new building

pauska

10gig just for lan connectivity.. wow

Mister IT Guru

@lynxman Thursday drags out into around three days waiting to get out of answering tickets, and trying to stay calm while talking to windows users.

pauska

I'm guessing that those links never ever exceeed 10% utilization? ;)

Robert Moir

we do a fair amount of streaming video work in our classrooms

actually one place we had a bug with our 10Gbe implementation with the servers was with the apple side of things. Apple don't do a 10gb card so we had to go to a company called Small Trees. Who do a card... which is incredibly fussy

pauska

8gbit FC SAN then? I'm guessing that the video content isnt stored in RAM :)

Yeah, and probably violated any (already limited) guarantee from Apple

I come from a newspaper world, you develop a certain hate for apple products very quick

Robert Moir

11:28 AM

for video, yes. We have some iscsi SANs for other data but these are based around multiple path IO with several 1Gb links and we can't upgrade those mid lifecycle. We are considering a new virtualisation farm which will run on 10Gb iscsi though

I like Apple products as a home user. In fact scratch that, I love them. For business... not so much.

Cakemox

I like their hardware. You pay for it, though.

lynxman

Apple for a home network and laptop is quite sweet

I wouldn't want OSX server nearby my infrastructure though

Robert Moir

well now that they've stopped doing xserves and we won't have minis and mac pros in the data centre, we won't have OSX server anywhere near our infrastructure when our current boxes reach end of life

lynxman

Podcast producer is not bad though, I hope they implement that for other OSes (I know... wishful thinking)

Robert Moir

oh the client end of things is top class

great products

we have final cut pro on all our workstations and thats a great video editing package right there

well all our mac workstations...

lynxman

11:37 AM

yeah, podcast producer is a server side product though

they only sell it as part of OSX server

Robert Moir

oh didn't know that... shows how much attention I pay to it at work!

lynxman

fair enough, I didn't know until I needed it :)

Robert Moir

right!

lynxman

@RobertMoir As said I think it would be very interesting if you did a presentation about this project, I would be very glad to have you doing a talk for a future event sysadmin driven that I'm trying to organise

Robert Moir

time permitting that might work

lynxman

11:46 AM

@RobertMoir I'll let you know as soon as I have a more solid concept :)

Robert Moir

cool. I have seen somewhere someone talking about a "build your own" events structure, is it something like that?

lynxman

not exactly, it's more focused towards general sysadmin stuff

there's lots of security and devops talks in London, but not enough "regular stuff that sysadmins would like to know" ones

Robert Moir

right

lynxman

so I'm trying to organise one to cover that area

Robert Moir

that would be good, and i think most of the uk regulars here are in or near to london so thats a headstart on the audience

lynxman

11:49 AM

yeah I'm counting on that, London is a very good place for this

Robert Moir

dell just aren't returning my calls. Why is it so hard to give people money?

lynxman

They are suffering a money giving DDoS ;)

Robert Moir

apparently

we've got quotes for about £70,000 worth of gear with them at the moment. You'd think they would want to get that kind of order placed on the books as quick as they could

Jinjavajin

Hi there

Robert Moir

hi

Jacob

11:54 AM

Hello

lynxman

Yeah unfortunately they're not so good at presales

hey @Jinjavajin, hey @Jacob

Robert Moir

oh well

Hi Jacob

Jacob

@RobertMoir It took me 2 weeks to get a /29 from Verizon; people apparently don't like taking money....

Robert Moir

most annoying

isn't it?

Jacob

@RobertMoir Very.... They had a problem with my account "profile"...

lynxman

11:56 AM

I think in that case they weren't eager to take the money but more eager to make sure they would keep getting it ;)

Robert Moir

ahh well

Jacob

@lynxman from me or Robert; I think they'd consider him much more important...

Robert Moir

i dunno about that... but money is money and money is always important to a business

which is why its so odd when its difficult to give them some

lynxman

@Jacob I think from you since yours is a monthly/yearly bill right?

Jacob

@RobertMoir You need to work for Verizon... No thats like going to Hell...

lynxman

11:59 AM

@RobertMoir is a one time big expense so Dell should be inviting him to dinner at nice places

Jacob

@lynxman Well every CIDR block I go higher its 20 a month... I told they to do it and they told me that they had to send t to I.T.

Robert Moir

i didn't know about: wired.com/threatlevel/2011/01/amazon-password-problem

Jacob

I nearly told they I would come do it myself....

@RobertMoir That might be an issue....

Jinjavajin

Is here any java programmar?

Robert Moir

just changed mine!

Jacob

12:01 PM

I am

Robert Moir

nope, never touch the stuff myself jinjavji

Jacob

@RobertMoir I'd close my account

Chopper3

0

Q: How to automatically announce Linux server resources to clients with arbitrary OSes?

I have a Linux server that needs to offer some services to an intranet. There will often be users that are not too familiar with using their laptops in a network environment, and so I'd like to announce the services they can use in an intuitive way. Ideally, when they connect their machines to th...

Robert Moir

I just got a kindle, closing my account isn't going to wokr for me

Chopper3

This guys wants the moon on a stick

Jacob

12:02 PM

@Chopper3 haha that gave me a good laugh, I looked at it and quickly ran the other way....

Robert Moir

nothing wrong with wanting it. It's whnen people aren't realistic about what they're likely to end up with that you have a problem

lynxman

@Chopper3 I'm kinda curious about what kind of replies he'll get, interested in see what people will do with avahi

Jacob

@lynxman Were you in here last night when Antonius Bloch was in here?

lynxman

@Jacob for a while, yeah

Jacob

@lynxman He IM'ed me on skype and offered me to work on his IaaS stuff he is doing... My reply was you do fully realize my age right...

lynxman

12:07 PM

@Jacob you're young but as I was saying yesterday, it's a good time to start getting some tables at this stuff, while you don't have too much stress and there's someone checking your work you should be fine :)

It's a very good age to start, believe me

Jacob

@lynxman Cool speaking off checking my work... serverfault.com/questions/228968/…

I only see the quotes on doc root as being wrong

Robert Moir

oooh lunch time here, I'm going to spend it with my head stuck in a book instead of a monitor. excuse me for a while!

lynxman

nah the quotes should be fine for windows, specially since he has spaces

@RobertMoir have a good one :)

@Jacob I think this goes more in line of what you were saying, missing or not properly formatted ServerAlias, assume nothing since he isn't showing it in his config and give him an example of how it should look

Jacob

@lynxman I never use quotes nor does the Apache quite have them were I learned; He says he put that in?

lynxman

Yeah but if it was that "test.com" wouldn't work either ;)

alvosu

12:14 PM

Apache is shit =)

Jacob

@lynxman hmm

@alvosu What do you use then?

lynxman

@alvosu don't get all nationalistic about nginx :P

alvosu

@lynxman Yeee

lynxman

I disagree though, apache is very good at what it does

nginx is very good at what it does as well, but they follow different goals

alvosu

@Jacob i use nginx

Jacob

12:15 PM

@lynxman Apache is nicer to work with

lynxman

@Jacob yeah definitely

if Apache is good enough for something the scale of Twitter it shows is not that bad

Also John Adams has some very nice Matlab models that show how Apache has better throughput than nginx under high load

The guy uses Matlab, that's extra geek cred right on the spot :)

Jacob

@lynxman I choose my web server case by case.

lynxman

@Jacob that's wise

Iain

he should look in his log file it will probably give him info on what is going on

Jacob

@Iain Yeah, he could run -s too.

Iain

12:20 PM

I don't have an xammp setup handy to check but does it take '/' or '\' or both

lynxman

@Iain both

Jacob

One of the few things I like on win box is MYSQL.... That I always want on linux

alvosu

@Jacob serverfault.com/questions/228968/… i add correct answer

lynxman

@alvosu Hm not necessarily the right one, but a good addition

Jacob

you don't need :80> on a Vhost

alvosu

12:26 PM

@lynxman i test this config and it work...with ip doesn't work

lynxman

@alvosu still, he needs ServerAlias :)

alvosu

Yaahh

shit

@lynxman i use to virtual host and he use one virtual host

lynxman

@alvosu Yeah and in your case works because apache is doing the "best effort" to match which VirtualHost he should go into, but without ServerAlias things can go a bit crazy

Jacob

@alvosu Alvosu please no offence but to!=two

alvosu

@Jacod it's russian english)

pauska

12:32 PM

Anyone here ever dealt with RIPE when it comes to PI-blocks?

Jacob

@pauska ARIN territory sorry

pauska

They just requested me to provide a complete ARP table dump from our entire network

wich, right now, is about 160 routers and several firewalls

lynxman

@pauska Wow, crazy, ARIN is going a bit overboard

pauska

I want to stab someone in the eye.. this cant be normal

lynxman

@pauska they just did an audit on me, believe me... it's normal

pauska

12:34 PM

but jesus christ

for a single /24 block??

I can understand the /16 assignments.. but this is just crazy

Jacob

@lynxman Audit? do they check usage of public IPs?

lynxman

@pauska They're going crazier and crazier as they're running out of blocks to assign

@Jacob they do

Jacob

Wow.... Why don't they take /8 back Like IBMs

pauska

or the /16 edu's

Jacob

or the 9 or so US dod has from before private IPs

packs

12:37 PM

@pauska You shut your mouth!

Jacob

List of assigned /8 IPv4 address blocks

Some large /8 blocks of IP addresses, the former Class A network blocks, are assigned in whole to single organizations or related groups of organizations, either by the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN), through the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) The authoritative up-to-date list of IANA assignments can be found on [http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space this IANA page] , or a regional Internet registry. Each /8 block contains addresses. As IPv4 address exhaustion has advanced to its final stages, some organizations, such as Stanford Uni...

lynxman

@Jacob actually RIPE is actively doing that, if they can't justify the use of those blocks they'll just recover them

Jacob

@lynxman ARIN isn't

lynxman

@Jacob they will very soon

Jacob

@lynxman I don't see why we spend this much money on preserving v4.... implement v6 so everybody has 1 billion addresses to themselves

pauska

12:40 PM

Jacob: It's not that simple.

Jacob

@lynxman they'll take my /29 :(

lynxman

@Jacob There's not that many people that are actually IPv6 prepared, the costs of infrastructure upgrade are gigantic

Chopper3

Back in the day I used to have a /16 registered to myself :) (159.167 btw - ended up giving it to my employer, who I should really have had it assigned to initially anyway to be honest)

lynxman

@Jacob they've been stressing everyone to switch but just a few organizations did, and mostly in Asia out of need

Jacob

@pauska I know... It'd be nice though

@Chopper3 How in the name of... did you get a /16 to your self?

pauska

12:41 PM

@packs You dont need a /16!

@Jacob Back when 4KB of RAM was more enough for atleast one billion years ahead

Nobody knew that the internet would grow this big

Chopper3

this was...92/93 I guess, just called up the people who administed them (I think he was a desk general for some reason) and sweet talked him

packs

@pauska Readdressing a /16 and a /18 would be a pain in the ass.

pauska

and now, companies like mine are hurting

Jacob

@pauska I know, I had issues to get a /29 :(

lynxman

even with dual stack people are afraid to switch

pauska

12:43 PM

you cant switch

packs

You should be happy to hear, @pauska, that I've been pushing for more of our space NATed. Whether we would give back is another matter.

lynxman

@pauska not completely of course

pauska

dual stack isnt helping anything (as in 6to4 tunneling)

it adds fragmentation and higher latency

kills sensitive streams like VoIP and video

we need native ipv6, but believing it will happen anytime soon is very naive

lynxman

@pauska indeed, but that's the best solution so far

@pauska completely agreed that native will be better, some ISPs in the UK are offering it already

pauska

My ISP is also providing it, once we have the ipv4 infrastructure up and going

we cant simply shut out every non-native-ipv6 user out there

lynxman

12:45 PM

@pauska nope but it'll be good when big ISPs switch their DSL users to ipv6 and provide some form of 6to4 gw

Jacob

@pauska Verizon will run BGP if I get my own address space.

@lynxman but then you have to replace the $5 linksys(ewwww) router

I wonder if I send an email off to ARIN about getting my own v6 space, what would they say...

pauska

they would say: Heres your /16

or /8 or whatever

Jacob

Ipv6 :)

pauska

yeah, ipv6.

Jacob

You have 5 servers in your dads office.. heres your own /8

Those would be routed by everyone in BGP so fast....

I'd be left with maybe 5-10

alvosu

12:49 PM

Is it possible to find the remote work at $ 1000(full time) a month?

Jacob

Apply at stack exchange; I think there looking for a programmer

alvosu

@Jacob I admin =)

lynxman

@pauska @Jacob ARIN is giving /32s happily on ipv6 space, not even justified

Jacob

@lynxman To a 15 yr free?

lynxman

@alvosu look also for www.rentacoder.com there's some good rewards there

@Jacob you got the AS you can get the space, yeah

@Jacob but then of course you'll have to pay for the AS + related IP maintenance costs

pauska

12:52 PM

@alvosu: Administrators usually dont work remote

Jacob

I'll send an email.... AS are 500 a yr. :(

alvosu

@lynxman ok, i will see site

Jacob

Trivial to you... not to my budget

lynxman

@Jacob believe me, not even trivial to me ;) I rather have my employer pay for that :)

Robert Moir

ip assignments, always a thorny issue

IPv6 is coming along way too slowly really

2

Jacob

12:54 PM

@lynxman Thats what I meant hehe I host free stuff

lynxman

@RobertMoir completely agreed, it's a bit unnerving for everyone

Robert Moir

a lot of the academic sites have always had IPv4 well stitched up between them. The university I used to work at had a /8 and where I am now, a much smaller place has two /24s and the last time I spoke to someone about our allocation not only would they not take one back, they offered me more

Jacob

@RobertMoir I expect consumers to get carrier NAT or 6to4 very soon

Robert Moir

well they certainly need to do something

Jacob

@RobertMoir get IBM and HP to return

Robert Moir

12:57 PM

yeah they have loads don't they?

Jacob

we'd be set for 10 more years if DoD gave back

@RobertMoir 2 /8