The Hangar

Bret Copeland

04:02

@voretaq7 for comparison, MKC is about the same size as FRG. So, imagine a 747 landing there and taxiing around.

voretaq7

@BretCopeland ...they've dumped Air Force One on FRG before

Bret Copeland

@voretaq7 ever been there to watch it come in?

voretaq7

@BretCopeland nah, I'm not that impressed by things that tie the airport in knots and drop a big red cylinder in the middle of our airspace :)

also I had to work

But the airport took pictures!

there are color ones around somewhere too

Bret Copeland

@voretaq7 that's not one of the 747's though.

voretaq7

no, we used to get the islanders 747

this was before we had the EMAS on 14/32 so they probably didn't want to chance bringing their 747

(particularly given your description of their quality landing skills :-)

Bret Copeland

04:09

If I had been those AF1 pilots, I think I would have just gone around, but apparently when AF1 has a go-around it makes national headlines.

lnafziger

I'm sure it does

Bret Copeland

@lnafziger no, seriously content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2011/05/…

Or, even better csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/The-Vote/2011/0518/…

voretaq7

@BretCopeland Same when it's Michelle Obama's plane

@BretCopeland Ah, USA Today. Everyone's favorite aviation publication.

lnafziger

lmao

Alright all, time to walk the dogs and head to bed. Have a good night!

Bret Copeland

@lnafziger sounds very domestic of you.

Danny Beckett

04:16

I just found the hot chocolate I made 2 hours ago to the side of me..... mmmmm... chocolate milkshake! :p

voretaq7

@DannyBeckett . . . oh dear

Danny Beckett

full as well

lol

lnafziger

@BretCopeland Well, I do have to go into the office in the morning. ;-)

Cya all later.

egid

so my 'what does forced induction mean to pilots/owners' question either needs rewriting or some different answers

or both

voretaq7

@egid Sorry, all of my engines are normally aspirated. I despise turbo lag on the ground, and zomg kerspensive in the air :P

egid

04:28

i guess i need to rephrase it as "how do supercharged engines differ in operation from turbocharged engines" and break the cost/maintenance stuff into a separate question

because Falk's answer just isn't doing it for me

voretaq7

hmmmm

egid

there is an answer to one of my questions buried in the middle of it: "The great advantage compared to a turbocharger is that a supercharger works fine at all RPMs while a turbocharger needs some higher exhaust pressure to start working properly which makes it effective only at high power settings."

but the rest of that answer is more or less useless information or opinion

As a pilot you don't need to take care of some additional switches but must of cause take care to don't overpower your engine(s). You should also be aware of this kind of delay I've described if you operate a turbocharged engine.

rewrote the question.

maybe that'll help!

Danny Beckett

per a discussion in the other room, opinions on removing the word 'clouds' from the weather report?

SKC:	'Clear',
CLR:	'Clear',
CAVOK:	'Ceiling & visibility ok',
FEW:	'Few clouds',
SCT:	'Scattered clouds',
BKN:	'Broken clouds',
OVC:	'Overcast',
OVX:	'Obscured'

Steve V.

04:43

/me votes remove

egid

!!weather KPAE

lemme see

Otto the Autopilot

@egid PAE/KPAE: Snohomish County (Paine Field) Airport • Observed: 51 mins ago • Wind: 190°/S @ 13kts • Visibility: 10.0mi/16.09km • Sky (AGL): Overcast @ 1,200ft • Temperature: 7.8°C/46°F • Dewpoint: 5.6°C/42°F • Pressure: 29.69" Hg/1,005mb • Conditions: MVFR

egid

@DannyBeckett can you do a test to see if there are clouds, and if there are, label the section "Clouds (AGL):" rather than "Sky (AGL):"?

then the clouds themselves can just be "few @12,000ft" etc

Danny Beckett

Sure, but you might have "Broken clouds @ 1,000ft; Overcast @ 2,000ft", e.g.

egid

if you're really searching for space to trim character counts, I'd also suggest you remove the spaces after (and possibly) before the @

erm, I'm not sure you'd see that, ever

obscured is when there's fog and the ceiling is indeterminate

Danny Beckett

04:45

I'm not really searching for space to trim

I'm still gonna need to split the message anyway, once gust and flag info is added

It was just a suggestion from Bret

egid

I don't think you can have a METAR that first has a cloud layer and then has an obsc layer

Danny Beckett

I thought I saw one...

egid

I could be mistaken; OVX isn't used in the US

Danny Beckett

oh, obscured? yeah I meant overcast... already edited that

egid

at least not often

ah

broken is understood to be clouds, then

Danny Beckett

04:46

@egid I've seen it a few times actually

2 days ago, by Otto the Autopilot

@DannyBeckett KJFK: LIFR • Observed: 4 mins ago • Wind: 180°/S @ 19kts • Visibility: 0.0mi/0.0km • Sky (AGL): Obscured @ 0ft • Temperature: 10.6°C/51°F • Dewpoint: 10.0°C/50°F • Pressure: 29.67" Hg/1,005mb

egid

you would show "Clouds (AGL): Broken 800 ft; Overcast 1,200 ft"

ok

but note that it's literally at 0 feet

you can't have a layer above it

anyway, i would suggest you replace sky with clouds when the conditions would normally be printed with "... clouds"

Danny Beckett

yeah I see that

egid

otherwise, print "sky:"

i think that's a more subtle way of doing it that reads well

Bret Copeland

I also concur that the @ is unnecessary and removing it might even help readability.

egid

i'd suggest dropping the wind cardinal directions

Wind: 180°/19kts

which could become Wind: 180°/19kts, gusting 25kts

voretaq7

04:50

either 180°@19kts or 180°/19kts would work

egid

true

the @ does make more sense there

voretaq7

gusts could be 180°@19-25kts to save space

Danny Beckett

the only things with that are 1) my compass points aren't brilliant as a non-pilot. I obviously know 180 is South, but I'd have no idea 59 is East/North-East

egid

@voretaq7 true but then you're not doing a ton of decoding

Danny Beckett

and 2) the / sign for all other things shows "or", i.e. celcius/fahrenheit

!!weather lpl

egid

04:51

@DannyBeckett maybe print the condensed version first, then (SE) in parentheses?

Otto the Autopilot

@DannyBeckett LPL/EGGP: Liverpool John Lennon Airport • Observed: 1 hour ago • Wind: 270°/W @ 4kts • Visibility: 6.21mi/9.99km • Sky (AGL): Few clouds @ 1,000ft; Broken clouds @ 1,800ft • Temperature: 6.0°C/43°F • Dewpoint: 6.0°C/43°F • Pressure: 29.44" Hg/997mb • Conditions: MVFR

Steve V.

@voretaq7 Disagree, if you're going to do that, you might as well write 180/19G25 and have it be untranslated.

Bret Copeland

yes, the @ makes sense for winds, but seems unnecessary for clouds.

egid

@SteveV. yeah agreed

voretaq7

@egid I think most people can figure out 19-25kts means "19 to 25 knots" - saying "gusts to xxx kts" is probably better decoding though

Danny Beckett

04:53

ok I'm gonna go work on the suggestions, cheers guys

Bret Copeland

maybe "180° @ 19 gust 25 kts"

egid

@voretaq7 I think you're right that people would understand that the winds are variable, but that's technically a different meaning to NOAA, right? :)

Danny Beckett

(want this finished with so I can start on the !!airport command)

Steve V.

Bret's is probably the best: "180° @ 19 gust 25 kts"

Danny Beckett

to be honest, the issue with < 500 chars is this: the URL takes up 300

egid

04:54

@DannyBeckett tinyurl it

;D

voretaq7

@egid true, the gust measurement is a discrete instantaneous measurement, not a continuous varying range

Danny Beckett

@egid can't, it has a variable in the middle

I could proxy it though

voretaq7

@DannyBeckett what' the URL?

egid

and gusts are different than variable winds, imo

Danny Beckett

!!weather lpl

egid

04:54

gusts are bursts, variable just means it's inconsistent

voretaq7

you can probably strip half of it out

Otto the Autopilot

@DannyBeckett LPL/EGGP: Liverpool John Lennon Airport • Observed: 1 hour ago • Wind: 270°/W @ 4kts • Visibility: 6.21mi/9.99km • Sky (AGL): Few clouds @ 1,000ft; Broken clouds @ 1,800ft • Temperature: 6.0°C/43°F • Dewpoint: 6.0°C/43°F • Pressure: 29.44" Hg/997mb • Conditions: MVFR

Danny Beckett

@voretaq7 the bit that's clickable there ^

it's 300 chars long, in Markdown - a bit less without the MD

still a lot

egid

@DannyBeckett build the url, then create a tiny version of that

voretaq7

aviationweather.gov/adds/metars/…

doesn't have to be the whole thing :)

egid

04:56

tinyurl.com/metarEGGP

;p

Danny Beckett

@voretaq7 that shows different data

egid

theoretically you could stash 'em and reuse it later rather than building new urls each time ;)

voretaq7

oh you need the chk_metars=on bit

Danny Beckett

presumably also chk_tafs=on

voretaq7

and the chk_tafs bit if you specify chk_metars

yeah - it's a pretty crappy tool. Government. :P

Steve V.

04:57

Maybe I'm late to the party but why link it at all?

Danny Beckett

to see all records

voretaq7

aviationweather.gov/adds/metars/… saves a few characters :)

Danny Beckett

@voretaq7 I can strip &submitmet=Submit though

voretaq7

yeah and the hours bit

Danny Beckett

yeah :)

will do that

egid

04:59

@DannyBeckett tiny-url.info/open_api.html

;)

Danny Beckett

:O they even offer JSONP

egid

see why I think you should just build your url and then shorten it? :)

Danny Beckett

ok, we're talking "bot" again in the main room. switching to the other room if anyone wants to follow (np if not)

@egid yeah that's a v. good idea actually

would save me splitting the msg

egid

potentially yeah. 300 -> 20 chars is a pretty significant savings.

it can at least postpone the need

Danny Beckett

absolutely

egid

05:00

you could always just truncate it anyway

... at the end, there's a link at the start

most of the crap at the end of a METAR is pretty garbage anyway ;)

what if you replaced "Observed" with the IFR/VFR/etc status?

MVFR: 1 hour ago

Danny Beckett

actually Bret just found a workaround

so there's no max limit, he's a ninja

voretaq7

@egid Depends on the METAR, ours often has rain began/ended/thunder storm began/ended stuff in the remarks

egid

yeah, i know, but that stuff is probably nonessential for a chatbot to decode every time

Steve V.

And once in a while you see RMK FUNNEL CLOUD...you miss all the fun if you strip that.

egid

what, so it's going to be VFR and clear with a funnel cloud? :D

voretaq7

05:03

RMK TWR COLLAPSED 0332

egid

RMK TFR IN EFFECT

sorry, no sympathy :)

voretaq7

RMK TWR DOOR JAMMED AGAIN SEND FLAT FOOD LIKE STEAK QUESEDILLAS

6

egid

alol

don't forget, they'll have to collapse words unnecessarily

QSDILLAS

voretaq7

IBM engineers and ATC go to the same school

"Everything must be abbreviated to 3 letters by removing vowels. For the purposes of our system the letter Q counts as 3 letters.

RMK GND AND CLNC DLYD DUE TO LIGHTGUN FIGHT . . . so that's why the tower looks like they're going all Disco Inferno up in there!

egid

voretaq7

05:10

In those skates? Bullshit. He's going to a booty call.

egid

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voretaq7

... I prefer Garfunkel & Oates :)

voretaq7

05:44

aaaaand speaking of simulators earlier: avweb.com/avwebflash/news/…

Bret Copeland

@voretaq7 well, we want to make sure pilots with sleep apnea aren't spending their nights in the simulator.

voretaq7

hey! The NTSB said fatasses were dangerous!

(then again have you seen the NTSB? Scrawny bastards - does the government even FEED them?!)

Bret Copeland

Well, Stack Exchange feeds us exceptionally well, and I weigh less than 120 lbs.

voretaq7

...scrawny bastard

Bret Copeland

It's bothered some girls that I've dated that I weigh about the same, if not less than her.

Danny Beckett

05:53

the majority of the US population is obese

voretaq7

@BretCopeland It's only an issue if you can run faster than her in heels:P

Danny Beckett

but it's odd that a girl'd prefer fat guys

holy shit, 8.5 stone?!

that's not much at all

Bret Copeland

@DannyBeckett I think it's a matter that girls expect to weigh less than their boyfriend.

[being totally stereotypical]

voretaq7

@BretCopeland well how tall are you?

Danny Beckett

lol, oh well, good for fat guys I suppose ;)

Bret Copeland

05:55

5'8"

voretaq7

...and you weigh 120?! You are a scrawny bastard :)

Danny Beckett

ah, beloved feet, a measurement we use here too

Bret Copeland

A healthy person my size should generally weigh about 135-140lbs

Danny Beckett

I think I weigh about 170

Bret Copeland

I look at it this way: I don't occupy much useful load.

voretaq7

05:56

@BretCopeland you are in fact less than an FAA Standard Adult

Bret Copeland

@voretaq7 which is how much?

voretaq7

you may carry 50 lbs of additional crap with you, though you may have to put it in your lap

Danny Beckett

@voretaq7 I refer back to

3 mins ago, by Danny Beckett

the majority of the US population is obese

voretaq7

@BretCopeland I think they still use 170 as a "standard adult"

@DannyBeckett shrug I'm 6'2 180-185lbs depending on the day

Danny Beckett

I'm talking statistically

Bret Copeland

05:58

@voretaq7 that seems pretty normal.

voretaq7

@BretCopeland technically I'm overweight by the stupid formulas

Danny Beckett

74.1%

Obesity in the United States

Obesity in the United States has been increasingly cited as a major health issue in recent decades. Like the U.S., many industrialized countries have experienced similar increases, underscoring the severity of the problem. The United States had the highest rate of obesity for large countries, until obesity rates in Mexico surpassed that of the United States in 2013. From 13% obesity in 1962, estimates have steadily increased. The following statistics comprise adults age 20 and over living at or near the poverty level. The obesity percentages for the overall US population are higher. r...

voretaq7

I'm also an ex runner and I can pretty much ostrich kick through someone's ribcage with these legs, so.... yeah :P

I "should" weigh 170

Bret Copeland

@voretaq7 eh, same order of magnitude, close enough.

Danny Beckett

to be fair though, you have awesome food there

deep fried shit

yum yum, lol

voretaq7

06:00

@DannyBeckett dude, we'll deep fry ANYTHING

even shit.

and people WILL eat it :)

Danny Beckett

in a few chippies in Scotland you can get a deep-fried Mars bar

I don't even think you have chippies in the US though

Bret Copeland

@DannyBeckett unaware of what that is.

voretaq7

@DannyBeckett we have pubs, we can't be missing much :P

Danny Beckett

the chippy was the 1 thing I missed in Holland and Norway

they don't have them either

fish & chips shop :D

voretaq7

@DannyBeckett I'm guessing it's like a fish-n-chips stand?

Danny Beckett

06:02

yeah lol, they're literally everywhere here

voretaq7

we have those on LI... well technically it's fried clam strips and other things

Danny Beckett

you guys heard of haggis?

Bret Copeland

@voretaq7 I was probably more upset than I should have been when I found out that you can't buy beer between 3am-8am on a Sunday in NYC. Literally any other time of day or week is fine, but those five hours the government thinks it's really important that you don't buy beer.

voretaq7

bigelows-rvc.com/menu

@DannyBeckett I have in fact eaten haggis

Danny Beckett

@BretCopeland in Norway it's any day after 8pm, and not at all on a Sunday

voretaq7

06:04

@BretCopeland dude, you haven't lived here long enough to remember the OLD blue laws

nothing with alcohol AT ALL from 3 AM Sunday to 3 AM Moday

Bret Copeland

@DannyBeckett most places in the US have way more strict alcohol laws.

Danny Beckett

@voretaq7 what was it like? I've never had it... I imagine it being revolting

voretaq7

@DannyBeckett it was not the worst thing I've ever eaten

Danny Beckett

@voretaq7 that looks like a very posh chippy

to UK standards :p

voretaq7

the 7-11 by my house still doesn't have their liquor license

Danny Beckett

06:05

you're lucky if they don't piss in the oil here

voretaq7

@DannyBeckett they try to be swank, but it's a fried fish joint.

Danny Beckett

j/k

voretaq7

here, hang on...

@DannyBeckett jeremysalehouse.com/gallery.html

that's our local dive

"don't put things on the floor because it sometimes floods during high tide and...yeah."

Danny Beckett

ah you see, there aren't tables at chippies here usually (unless you go to the ones on the seafront in port towns) - takeaway only

generally run by the Chinese

at least, the best ones are

gonna get a link to my local one, so you can see what I mean

Bret Copeland

@voretaq7 oh look, there's one in my zipcode too.

voretaq7

06:08

@BretCopeland I've actually never been to the one in NYC

Danny Beckett

google.com/maps/…

voretaq7

I usually go to McSorley's or The Blind Tiger or something

Danny Beckett

that's a chippy

complete with man eating chips outside :p

(even though it's shut :S)

Bret Copeland

@DannyBeckett that's not you?

Danny Beckett

lol

voretaq7

06:10

"Chinese and English food"..... odd combination

Danny Beckett

@voretaq7 the cellar in the pub in AMS I worked at was like that - you had to put a pair of wellies on to change a barrell

voretaq7

then again we had a Jamaican Chinese place

Danny Beckett

@voretaq7 not over here, that's standard

voretaq7

y'all strange over there

lets see....

Danny Beckett

you order something like Deep Fried Shredded Beef & Chilli sauce... + chips :p

oh, I just realised, I mean fries

chips are something else in the US - y'all strange ;)

I made that mistake once. American tourists in the pub: "y'all got chips?"... Me: "sure, they'll be with you in 5 mins"... American tourists: bemused look, "OK"

voretaq7

06:13

@DannyBeckett we know what you mean you limey bastard - just make sure my beer isn't piss-warm :)

Danny Beckett

needless to say they weren't happy with their "fries" when they arrived :p

Bret Copeland

@voretaq7 combo places scare me. I've made it a point to never go to the Chinese place I order delivery from here, out of fear I may never want to order from them again.

voretaq7

Useless tourists should learn the local dialectic differences when traveling to other places

Danny Beckett

there was a great little "scam" with the Irish tourists actually: in Ireland they call Magners, Bulmers. Everywhere else in the world, Bulmers is a cheap copy of Magners. End up pouring Bulmers, when they wanted Magners.... = free cider for someone

voretaq7

like how in new york "Yo" means "Kindly step aside so that I may proceed unimpeded on my way" (and "Hey! Move" means "Listen, if you're not out of my way in 3 seconds I'm just going to take you with me.")

Danny Beckett

06:16

^ lol!

voretaq7

I was looking for a good picture of my favorite delightful coffee shop with the leopard print wall, but all the Google images suck :(

Danny Beckett

ah, you see, "coffeeshops" are something totally different in AMS too

I much prefer the Dutch coffeeshops :p

voretaq7

That's only available by prescription here and it's really hard to get!

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Danny Beckett

haha that's awesome - watching

voretaq7

I love Garfunkel & Oates

Danny Beckett

06:20

"for asthma or your mother-fucking tourettes!" :D

voretaq7

It's not legal at all in new york

and it's still illegal on the federal level

Danny Beckett

last I heard, it was something like, in 42 states it's either legal, decriminalised, or pending legislation

which is a far cry from the UK, where it's a class B/illegal on all levels (highest drug is A)

voretaq7

Well the states can say whatever they want, when the feds raid your grow-op it's the US attorney and federal court that are gonna say "Yeah, that's a Schedule 1 controlled substance, you're going to jail."

Danny Beckett

yeah I understand

> Hamilton Island Airport, Queensland Australia (HTI / YBHM). The AIP says for this airport: "Yacht masts may infringe Rwy 14-32 apch slope clnc. "

that's an interesting one

voretaq7

. . . ok

Danny Beckett

06:27

?

voretaq7

you'd think they'd put a buoy out there

Danny Beckett

lol yeah

voretaq7

do not anchor past this point or a plane will remove your mast.

Danny Beckett

hahaha! yeah

here's the whole post:

> I've been on the opposite side of this as the skipper of a sailing yacht near Hamilton Island Airport, Queensland Australia (HTI / YBHM). The AIP says for this airport: "Yacht masts may infringe Rwy 14-32 apch slope clnc. "
Typically during races the finish line is not far from the Runway 14 approach and when aircraft are inbound, a call is made over marine radio to ask yachts to do their best to stay out of the way. Hopefully we share the airspace in a friendly way; I haven't heard of any go-arounds due to yacht masts here, though I suppose it's likely to have happened at some point i…

unrelated (NSFW):

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voretaq7

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safe for work :)

Danny Beckett

06:38

lol that's pretty funny too

Bret Copeland

@voretaq7 I think the G and the Z are the only two I still haven't ridden... because, why?

Danny Beckett

you can tell the difference between the English and Americans just between them videos :p

voretaq7

@BretCopeland I have, at various points in my life, traveled every mile of revenue track (and a good portion of non-revenue track) in the NYC subway system

and the G train is useless.

Bret Copeland

@voretaq7 what non-revenue track?

I think the MTA actually considers the turn around for the 6 train (old City Hall station) to be revenue track because so many people ride it just to go through the old station.

voretaq7

@BretCopeland city hall loop (which keeps flopping back and forth between being "revenue" and "non-revenue"), parts of Coney Island Yard, the footings at the GWB (which are technically a "yard" but were going to be an extension into Jersey)

@BretCopeland sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't -- when they're actually aggressive about kicking people off they're back to calling it "non-revenue" again (or the threat level has gone to polka-dot and they don't want anyone under city hall for some ridiculous reason)

Bret Copeland

06:41

I don't think I'll ever ride every mile of the subway.

voretaq7

@BretCopeland A bunch of my friends tried to do the full coverage run (all stations, one swipe, within 24 hours)

they came close.

Bret Copeland

I did almost ride the G train on new years eve, but thought better of it.

Danny Beckett

lol!

Bret Copeland

@voretaq7 that's one of the worst ways I could imagine spending my time.

voretaq7

@BretCopeland We took over the last Q express train before they retired it. There were stereos and fog machines involved.

Bret Copeland

06:44

@voretaq7 ever take the 9 train?

voretaq7

(it's not that we're deranged - we're just deranged)

@BretCopeland nope, I'm never on 7th avenue and it got re-retired again long before I would have needed it :)

Fun Facts: There is an ✈ train.

or rather there's a roll-sign designation for one (8th avenue line)

Bret Copeland

@voretaq7 at the 168th street stop, the elevators are still labeled as the 9 train.

voretaq7

@BretCopeland probably 'cuz someone peeled off the stickers that relabeled it as the 1 again

Danny Beckett

@voretaq7 there's a train station in the middle of AMS airport. Pretty cool

voretaq7

(or forgot to peel off the sticker creating the 9 :P)

Bret Copeland

06:47

no, they're metal plates with a 9 inside a circle.

Danny Beckett

takes you to the centre (about 20 mins away)

voretaq7

@BretCopeland don't worry, the signs will be correct again one day :-)

Bret Copeland

@DannyBeckett we still don't even have a train to LaGuardia airport.

voretaq7

We still have signage that refers to "BMT" "IRT" and "IND", so....

Bret Copeland

And the PATH train doesn't take you to Newark airport.

@voretaq7 wait, WHAT? Where?

voretaq7

06:48

@BretCopeland N to Astoria Boulevard, transfer to the M60 bus. Just kill yourself, you're going to LGA anyway, you 're going to want to die.

@BretCopeland all over. Look at the tiles in the walls some time, they're not just decorative :)

Bret Copeland

hmmm, I'll have to look. I feel like I would have recognized those initials if I had seen them.

Also, IRT vs BMT/IND which are incompatible with each other... talk about a legacy system.

voretaq7

@BretCopeland IRT trains are compatible with all other lines (just don't step into the gap)

Bret Copeland

well, yeah.

voretaq7

B/C division trains will run on A division track without a problem, but you'll need to get them up to pretty high speed in order to shave off the platform so they fit through the station :)

and technically a lot of what's in "C" (maintenance/yard) is old IRT equipment now so they can send it anywhere :P

Old Redbirds Never Die - we just duct tape the everloving shit out of them and repaint them yellow and black :)

Bret Copeland

@voretaq7 haha, just reminds me of youtube.com/watch?v=4Zr3H8inpNw

voretaq7

06:55

@BretCopeland It's Lorimer Street all over again :P

Bret Copeland

@voretaq7 I don't get the reference

voretaq7

I'm pretty sure it was Lorimer - one of the few actual derailments of a subway car (back when they were wood, so yeah...)

Bret Copeland

I want to go to the transit museum sometime

voretaq7

still not as funny as the "11th avenue bound L train"

Bret Copeland

@voretaq7 um, what?

voretaq7

06:59

@BretCopeland I'm trying to find a picture - it was a long time ago. an L train at 8th avenue stopped, discharged all its passengers (as they are wont to do at the end of the line), then closed its doors and...um... kinda tried to keep going

ran right into the bumper block

Bret Copeland

That's my favorite overrun

voretaq7

2003 - straphangers.org/diaries/… no good pictures though

@BretCopeland That's everyone's favorite overrun

I did however find this delightful picture of an R46 (in original "hideous blue stripe" paint) with the airplane rollsign:

Bret Copeland

Oh wow, never seen that before.

Was that essentially just an A train?

voretaq7

@BretCopeland basically

it would run super-express and terminate at Howard Beach

all the 8th avenue trains still have the airplane on their rollsign (if they have rollsigns) - if you've got an allen key and some spare time with nobody watching you can scroll through and find it :)

Danny Beckett

URL is now tiny

!!weather lpl

Otto the Autopilot

07:07

@DannyBeckett LPL/EGGP: Liverpool John Lennon Airport • Observed: 18 mins ago • Wind: 320°/NW @ 13kts • Visibility: 6.21mi/9.99km • Sky (AGL): Few clouds @ 1,200ft; Scattered clouds @ 2,400ft • Temperature: 6.0°C/43°F • Dewpoint: 3.0°C/37°F • Pressure: 29.50" Hg/999mb • Conditions: VFR

voretaq7

@DannyBeckett shh. You'll give it a complex!

Danny Beckett

lol!

Bret Copeland

@DannyBeckett yay

Danny Beckett

(tinyurl.com has no rate limit - is.gd does - didn't check any others)

voretaq7

OK, tis bedtime for me - laterz all

Danny Beckett

07:13

night mate!

Bret Copeland

night

roe

morning! :)

Danny Beckett

please don't remind me :P @roe

been in this room since midnight - it's now 7.20am

Bret Copeland

The FAA would consider this night.

roe

@BretCopeland We had sunrise a minute or so ago here (can't tell, it's overcast), but that would put us 30 minutes into daytime according to the LBA...

Danny Beckett

08:16

@PatoSáinz This has now been fixed

Danny Beckett

08:50

@called2voyage I believe the pressure sensor had a glitch and didn't return any information to ADDS. I've added a check to all items for these kinds of glitches now, and you'll simply see "Unavailable" for anything like this in the future. The command you ran is now working:

!!weather mge

Otto the Autopilot

@DannyBeckett MGE/KMGE: Dobbins Air Reserve Base Airport • Observed: 55 mins ago • Wind: 40°/NE @ 3kts • Visibility: 10.0mi/16.09km • Clouds: Clear • Temperature: -2.7°C/27°F • Dewpoint: -9.2°C/15°F • Pressure: 30.43" Hg/1,030mb • Conditions: VFR

DeltaLima

09:13

!!metar EBBR

Otto the Autopilot

@DeltaLima BRU/EBBR: METAR EBBR 090850Z 22021G32KT 9999 -RA BKN024 11/09 Q1006 NOSIG

Stack Exchange

12:17

This Day in Aviation: 9 January 1941

posted on January 09, 2014 by Bryan Swopes

9 January 1941: Test pilot Captain Harry Albert (“Sam”) Brown, OBE (1896–1953) makes the first flight of the Avro Lancaster prototype, BT308, at RAF Ringway, Manchester, England. Throughout World War II, 7,377 of these long range heavy bombers were produced for the Royal Air Force. The majority were powered by Rolls-Royce or Packard Merlin V-12 […] The post 9 January 1941 appe…

This Day in Aviation: 9 January 1942

posted on January 09, 2014 by Bryan Swopes

9 January 1942: At the insistence of the Army, Boeing Chief Test Pilot Eddie Allen made the first flight of the Lockheed L-049 Constellation prototype, NX25600, from Burbank to Muroc Field (now, Edwards AFB). Lockheed’s chief test pilot, Milo Burcham, was the co-pilot. When the flight ended, Allen stated “This machine works so well that […] The post 9 January 1942 appeared fir…

roe

13:33

Hmmm.. I wonder if a GPWS warning would make for a good alarm clock sound, would make you want to pull yourself out of bed, eh?

ok, bad pun, sorry

called2voyage

14:27

!!weather MGE

Otto the Autopilot

@called2voyage MGE/KMGE: Dobbins Air Reserve Base Airport • Observed: 30 mins ago • Wind: 0°/N @ 2kts • Visibility: 10.0mi/16.09km • Clouds: Overcast @ 1,300ft • Temperature: 1.6°C/35°F • Dewpoint: -11.3°C/12°F • Pressure: 30.47" Hg/1,032mb • Conditions: MVFR

lnafziger

15:33

@DannyBeckett Instead of "Unavailable", "Missing" is the standard FAA response.

voretaq7

16:41

@lnafziger "Sky condition: Missing" . . . um, I hope someone brings it backbecause I'd really like to use it

@Qantas94Heavy Props for pointing out that "the impossible turn" is more than 180 degrees - lots of people don't recognize that rather important fact.

Bret Copeland

Joel Spolsky (Stack Exchange CEO) promoting the aviation site on twitter. Feel free to retweet! (picture is of me)

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Undo

Somehow I get the impression that Aviation has a slight... advantage over Space...

egid

Lot more pilots than astronauts :)

Undo

@egid Well yeah...

egid

16:56

@BretCopeland is Joel a pilot?

Undo

I'd sure like to get in to aviation...

But I am 14, and....

Anonymous

@Undo in chile you can get your license at any age... are there problems in america?

Undo

@PatoSáinz No idea.

I know that the age limit is less than it is for a driver's license, but I've just never looked into it far enough.

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