The Hangar - 2014-01-09 (page 2 of 5)

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2:00 AM

@Pondlife I think your edit is a solid improvement. Hopefully the user doesn't mind.

@lnafziger well really how much writing does it take to fill in a flight plan form and check off catering and servicing items for the horde of monkeys that run around doing stuff to the plane while its on the ground? :)

@Pondlife yeah it's definitely way better now

@voretaq7 catering and service? you mean 'punch the number of adults and children into the FMS and make some tasteless jokes about the cabin crew', right?

@voretaq7 Well, private flying involves a lot more interaction with very high net-worth individuals.

@egid . . . why would you even have to do THAT? It's not like we're going to FEED them! We hand out those apples, but we expect to get about 90% of those back 'cuz they're inedible....

@lnafziger corporate flying is about the only kind I would ever consider doing as a career

@voretaq7 airliner w&b is based on FAA standard souls on board

just fyi :)

2:02 AM

@egid so.... empty?

look into the passenger's eyes - they're clearly soulless. The experience of clearing security has wrenched the souls from their bodies.

@egid Some charter companies are approved for that too. :)

You must be describing a Pinnacle flight.

Pinnacle Airlines Flight 3701

Pinnacle Airlines Flight 3701 (ICAO: FLG3701, IATA: 9E3701, or Flagship 3701) crashed on October 14, 2004, near Jefferson City, Missouri, United States. It was an overnight ferry flight (with no passengers) from Little Rock, Arkansas, U.S. to Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport, U.S. Both crew members were killed. Accident Pinnacle Airlines (operating under the Northwest Airlink banner) Flight 3701 was an empty 50-seat Bombardier CRJ-200 on ferry from Little Rock, Arkansas (Little Rock National Airport) to Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport, manned by two pilots, Captain...

@egid I like how they add weight for winter operations too - after whatever incident it was that precipitated that.

& I like that Samoan (I think?) airline doing pay-by-weight :-)

heh

@voretaq7 Makes sense... All of the passengers are wearing more and are bringing their coats in the winter.

2:04 AM

deregulation was, by and large, not particularly good for the airline industry

it was great for consumers and ticket prices, but not good for the industry itself

except for execs, i suppose

but all industries are pretty good for execs :)

@lnafziger I want to say they add like 20lbs per person and something per bag. There was an Air Crash Investigation episode about it I think. (I watch WAY too much disaster porn, it all blends together!)

</politics>

@egid not so great for ticket prices either

i dunno; ticket prices are lower even without inflation

I mean yeah I like being able to go round-trip to florida for like 200 bucks, but it's gonna suck when I get down there and then the airline goes bankrupt and I'm stuck in the everglades eating gator!

(not that gator isn't tasty, but even that would get monotonous after a while)

2:06 AM

@voretaq7 theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/02/…

per mile cost is half what it was prior to dereg

haha the article is making my point although i would argue that it's not necessarily a good thing:

> If you want a two-word answer to why airfares have dropped so much since the 1970s, it's this: Deregulation worked.

@egid ...except flying on the airlines has turned into a genuinely miserable experience that I actually try to avoid :(

yep.

welcome to the future.

also I don't understand why airlines aren't screaming at congress about the TSA screening procedures

ah, cutting into their profit by discouraging travelers?

i don't know that numbers have dropped at all since the TSA implemented all their security theater

They're LITERALLY letting the government make their customers miserable, and the airlines are the ones that get blamed for how much flying sucks

2:10 AM

well

the airlines have plenty to do with how much airline travel sucks

@egid I doubt they've dropped appreciably - the people who fly frequently have to fly and aren't going to go via alternate modes of travel. If I have to be in NY on Monday and LA on Tuesday I can't very well Amtrak it

I hate flying on the airlines....

@egid Passengers don't need seats, do they? I mean the FAA says we have to give them seatbelts, but can we just like... idunno, strap them to the walls? or each other?

you saw that ryanair standing seat thing, right?

@egid yup

2:11 AM

But one positive thing of it all is that it drives more people to fly privately (which is good for us, lol).

I'm surprised nobody's implemented it

@lnafziger you fly Falcons, right?

@lnafziger Indeed. Charter flights actually are going up (and the prices are coming down. If you've got a dozen people who want to go somewhere you can probably swing it)

seaportair.com seems to be growing

which is sort of pseudocharter

they are the <15 seats TSA loophole airline

kind of hilarious that they stopped service to Seattle, though

given that it's ½ their name

friend of mine is a teacher at an aviation university

re: airline salaries: "I think one of the facts of the matter is that ALPA couldn't give two shits about the regionals."

@egid ..."even though that's where a lot of the jobs are" (modern unions seem to lack common sense)

2:16 AM

well, admittedly, a lot of the regional jobs are now completely nonunion

For the longest time, regionals were just considered a stepping stone to a "real" airline job.

yeah. many still do consider that to be the case.

@lnafziger a lot of the industry still looks at it that way

That has changed some, but mainly only because the majors had quit hiring anyone without major airline experience.

And yeah, as more positions open up in the majors it is moving back to that a lot more.

wonder how the new part 117 rules will affect hiring / salaries

2:17 AM

I heard that a lot of regionals are paying pretty well at the upper end of things

i'm guessing hiring up, salaries down

Because of the "stepping stone" philosophy though, there are a lot of people willing to fly for almost nothing.

@voretaq7 yeah, 25 years in

@voretaq7 Yeah, much better than it used to be later on...

@egid well how long do you have to be at a major airline to be making decent cash? :)

2:18 AM

airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/regional/horizon_air

if you haven't ever seen these, browse around APC's profiles

they tell you that exact info

the FO scale at Alaska isn't bad, honestly

but it's hard to get in

only guy I know from my class who's at a major is the son of an Alaska captain

@voretaq7 Really ,at the majors you get "decent" pay three years in.

and I suppose you have the option to live somewhere cheap & commute

I really couldn't leave new york :-/

i love freebies like the graphing calculator question

I found the source of the >500 chars bug: Unicode

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Q: Length shows as 497 instead of 562 due to Unicode; how to get real length?

The following string shows a length of 497, whereas it's actually 562 characters: alert('[**BFI/KBFI**](http://aviationweather.gov/adds/metars/?station_ids=KBFI&std_trans=translated&chk_metars=on&hoursStr=most+recent+only&chk_tafs=on&submitmet=Submit): Boeing Field King County International Airp...

Anonymous

lol

2:25 AM

interestingly, the skywest numbers get a first year FO almost 20k/year (not that that's great), which makes me wonder what airline this guy is looking at to report 17k a year. airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/major-national-lcc/skywest

Anonymous

@DannyBeckett unicode isn't fire and forget baby

@egid Probably air wisconsin or Chatoqua (haha, I have no idea how to spell that).

or someone like that.

heh

chautauqua i think

I'm getting blasted on that question

Anonymous

typical so

2:32 AM

@DannyBeckett what is the code that pastes the chat message?

Message object -> directlyreply

@DannyBeckett in what file?

In our case args.directreply()

I have no idea

Zirak wrote it - it's 10k lines of code

@DannyBeckett okay, I'll look.

thanks man

Anonymous

2:34 AM

@DannyBeckett it hurts to read that question

@DannyBeckett You got an answer awfully fast though at least.

Anonymous

SO is always so helpful

Anonymous

"hey guys... i'm trying to parse this piece of html with this regex ehh help? NO NO HOW YOU DARE USING REGEX YOU CANNOT IT'S GOING TO BLOW THE WORLD UP FOR GOD'S SAKE HOW CAN'T YOU NOT KNOW THAT"

@lnafziger too bad it doesn't answer the question

(I downvoted)

"escape your backslash", as someone pointed out in comments, removes the char

so it is no longer a ° sign

Anonymous

escap-ception

2:36 AM

@DannyBeckett Well, in a way it does. Just because somewhere in either the bot code or the chat code someone counts characters wrong doesn't mean that there is a bug or anything. :)

It's SO actually I believe that counts wrong

(In Javascript anyway. :) )

It's a bug with SO and I need a workaround

Or we report the bug on Meta and try to get them to fix it.

If you're sure that it isn't on the bot side. (which I have no idea)

that'll take "6-8 weeks"

I don't want to wait that long

2:38 AM

@DannyBeckett are you looking somewhere in your plugin for string length?

@DannyBeckett SO is counting correctly based on byte length

Yes, it counts wrongly

let me pull the code up

args.directreply(output.length < 500 ? output : 'Sorry, the weather data retrieved was > 500 characters (the max allowed) - I\'ll fix this tomorrow - try another airport!');

But that wasn't hit for KBFI

(it counted 497)

whereas chat treats it as being 562 in length

JS is right. SO is wrong

@DannyBeckett characters, or bytes?

SO is counting based on chars

(I believe)

Try pasting that line here

Just into chat

It comes up "message too long"

jsfiddle.net/A7ahe

the contents of that

just what's after alert('and before '.length)

@DannyBeckett are you sure it counted 562 in length? Are you sure the reason it went over isn't because every message is prefixed with :messagenumber for a reply?

2:42 AM

man you're potentially a genius right there

yeah the message numbers would count too

I couldn't think of any other possible explanation

I wanna go hide in a corner somewhere :p

Does chat actually encode unicode chars if you just type them in normally? Test: \u2022

so... no.

if it's still over after accounting for that then SO is doing something "strange"

I'm going to say it's almost certainly because of the reply prefix.

2:43 AM

@BretCopeland but here's the thing with that

@BretCopeland you'd have to escape them properly you can't just paste \somethings

if I put the chars in directly, as °, it comes up as ~A or something instead

so I have to encode them as \uBBxB

°

You mean encode them in JS?

Because typing it in directly right here works.

In a JS string literal, that makes sense.

@DannyBeckett the "this message is too long" nag shows up when I paste 400 Unicode 🐼Pandas🐼

You should test the theory about the reply prefix by using a string where .length === 490, even though some of the chars are unicode escape sequences.

2:47 AM

so I think chat is counting by bytes

@BretCopeland yeah that's exactly what I mean

@voretaq7 grrr

I could look at the chat code really quick and see if I can figure out where that happens.

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Maximum Pandosity

:-)

...which wc tells me is 1043 bytes

so WTF

I hate javascript

lol

I still wanna hide in a corner

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

Anonymous

2:50 AM

javascript always brings pain and desolation

ah, 1001 bytes sorry. Less infuriating. 1000 bytes of Unicode Panda + 1 byte for the newline in vi

still tableflip :P

because Javascript

@DannyBeckett Try using this to count your string lengths: stackoverflow.com/a/12205668/259612

(I've only looked at the code & determined it doesn't appear TOTALLY batshit crazy - not verified its correctness)

It looks like that would do the job perfectly actually

if only Brad didn't stumble on what is highly likely to be the culprit

(the :123456 prepended to the message)

@DannyBeckett You could always just have Otto not :reply to people :)

Yeah, I made that suggestion too @voretaq7

Oh, by the way, @DannyBeckett: For the !!metar command, I would suggest axing the airport name, etc and just start it with "METAR ..." like the actual thing. If you are asking for a METAR, and using the airport identifier, you probably already know where it is. And if not, then you are probably using !!weather instead anyway.

@DannyBeckett Incidentally, this is why we still use METAR - even in the 21st century we keep running into character limits in our communication media :P

2:58 AM

@voretaq7 that's very interesting

I have a solution to the max chars problem

My problem was that I couldn't get it to register its length is over the max

@lnafziger it's nice for the rest of the people in chat though who might not know the identifier. I like having the name.

It was always showing as under

@DannyBeckett Go to Oklahoma City, break into the FAA's office, and take away their teletypes? :)

@BretCopeland I agree

@BretCopeland I do for weather, but a METAR is a METAR and people who don't know how to read them it won't really matter for anyway.

3:00 AM

@voretaq7 haha nice - no I'll split the message into 2 if it goes over

It's distracting to me. When I want a METAR I want a METAR, lol.

@lnafziger oh, right.

@lnafziger I also agree with you there

I'm open to a vote?

All in favour of axing the airport name from !!metar say "aye"

aye

lol

aye

3:01 AM

All in favour of keeping, say "nay"

I never want a METAR, I just want the damn weather. And because Naked Weather is "obscene" I have to settle for METARs :)

:p

aye :P

3:0 - it goes

there will be a big update tonight

with all the to do list finished

hmm... if Flight Service briefings were delivered over Google Hangouts by naked (attractive) briefers of the pilot's preferred gender do you think more people would pay attention?

3:02 AM

hey, you didn't give the "nay's" a chance yet

so we can move onto better commands

@voretaq7 Ever hear of nakednews.com?

More importantly do you think we could get the NTSB to make that a "safety recommendation" to Lockheed-Martin? :)

@lnafziger mmhmm, there's also nakedweather.com

or was at one point

Otto the Autopilot

@lnafziger nay goddamnit!

@voretaq7 Actually, that's probably what I was thinking of.

Otto the Autopilot

3:03 AM

(j/k - Danny)

lmao Otto

alternative idea: MoanMyFlightBriefing.com

@lnafziger Naked News was the parent property

lol

@voretaq7 probably to their tits, but not to their mouths

(I have to admit I'm mildly disappointed that "Moan My Flight Briefing" doesn't exist.

Quit, register the domain name

omg, are any of you watching the People's Choice Awards?

(Make that QUICK, register the domain)

3:05 AM

@lnafziger I'd have to teach that moaning text-to-speech engine how to read NOTAMs.... seems like effort :P

airport names have been zapped

!!metar ams

!!weather ams

Otto the Autopilot

@DannyBeckett AMS/EHAM: 090255Z 18012KT 6000 RA FEW007 BKN010 BKN041 09/09 Q1007 RERA TEMPO 9000 BKN008

@DannyBeckett AMS/EHAM: Amsterdam Airport Schiphol • Observed: 17 mins ago • Wind: 180°/S @ 12kts • Visibility: 3.73mi/6.0km • Sky (AGL): Few clouds @ 700ft; Broken clouds @ 1,000ft; Broken clouds @ 4,100ft • Temperature: 9.0°C/48°F • Dewpoint: 9.0°C/48°F • Pressure: 29.73" Hg/1,007mb • Conditions: MVFR

@DannyBeckett by the way, after a little bit of investigating, we are storing chat messages in the database as normal unicode (not escape sequences), and the check if a message too long is literally just hard-coded as if(text.Length > 500). No byte counting @voretaq7

yeah it's gonna be the message ID that isn't being counted

thanks for investigating though, I appreciate that! :)

@DannyBeckett For the metar, can you start it with "METAR "? That's standard and makes it very recognizable.

3:14 AM

@DannyBeckett sure, that's why I'm here, right?

@lnafziger sure! anyone object?

(how exactly?)

@DannyBeckett METAR or SPECI - whichever it begins with when you retrieve it :)

before the airport code, or after?

it begins with neither

@DannyBeckett really?

let me get an example from the data source

mhm

1 sec

Anonymous

3:16 AM

@lnafziger the people's choice awards are stupid

dannybeckett.co.uk/AviationBot/…

hmm, yeah it doesn't

stupid ADDS

under "raw_text"

(Weather.php just turns the XML into JSON)

@voretaq7 Agreed

Anonymous

@DannyBeckett

Anonymous

3:17 AM

what is your github profile

@DannyBeckett Ah, it's encoded under metar_type

@PatoSáinz github.com/dannybeckett

so whatever's in that field should come before the airport ID :)

I only have 2 projects (both bot related) - I've had a login for ages, but never contributed before now

@DannyBeckett Okay, so I went to get you an example and saw this: "KFXE 090253Z 06011KT 10SM OVC020 21/18 A3025 RMK AO2 RAE15 SLP244 P0000 60001 T02110178 51010"

Guess it isn't there, lol.

3:18 AM

(stupid fancy-pants ADDS data server)

:p

BUT, if it's a special, it will include SPECIAL after KFXE.

or SPECI rather

@voretaq7 ahhhh

ok, will add that

@PatoSáinz: Well, my wife is an actress so we are watching it. One of the hosts just did an awesome performance though, lol.

Anonymous

dannybeckett.co.uk/AviationBot/Weather.php?a=PHTO&callback='''1!1=!=!1=1'''imACL‌UELESSHACKERLOOKATMESQLINJECTIONWITHOUTADATABASEWOT=//i)=%&);\INSERTINTO'DONGS';

3:19 AM

@lnafziger I thought the type came before the identifier?

Anonymous

i fixed your script for you

metar_type: METAR or SPECI

Anonymous

@lnafziger lol

(I still have aviationweather.gov/adds/dataserver/metars/… open to go through for things like that)

@voretaq7 Ummm, maybe?

3:20 AM

it's been a long time since I had to write a METAR processor (like, senior year of high school)

<looks at Wikipedia>

@PatoSáinz that's useless to anyone else. The callback is internal

Okay, so I went somewhere else and found what I thought: "METAR KJFK 090251Z 27010KT 10SM BKN075 M05/M18 A3054 RMK AO2 SLP342 T10501178
51006"

!!wiki jsonp

Otto the Autopilot

JSONP or "JSON with padding" is a communication technique used in JavaScript programs running in web browsers to request data from a server in a different domain, something prohibited by typical web browsers because of the same origin policy. Under the same origin policy, a web page served from server1.example.com cannot normally connect to or communicate with a server other than server1.example.com. A few exceptions include the HTML element. Exploiting the open policy for elements, some pages use them to retrieve JavaScript code that operates on dynamically generated JSON-formatted data...

And if it is a special it would say "SPECI KJFK ..."

3:21 AM

type then identifier, unless Wikipedia is wrong (which it damn well might be but I don't have a link to the METAR handbook to check the real source :-)

Anonymous

@DannyBeckett lol the whole botched query is useless

@PatoSáinz that tells you all about the callback param

@lnafziger In all honesty I think I've seen a (real) SPECI like 3 times

@voretaq7 I see them all the time, but then I'm flying/checking weather a lot more and flying into a lot more weather because of what I do. :)

although issuing SPECIal metars is a standard test for a METAR parser

3:22 AM

@PatoSáinz again, if you so say. you talk shit though, just so you know :) (in a loving way) :p

(the other one is to have VA or PY or something ridiculous as an obscuration/hazard code because most people never see those)

lol

@voretaq7 can you show me one?

@lnafziger I've seen them at JFK, the other airports around here seem to be generally happy with the hourly data :P

METAR KPDX 090253Z 20012KT 9SM -RA FEW017 BKN043 OVC055 10/07 A2984 RMK AO2
RAB24 SLP105 P0000 60001 T01000072 50003
SPECI KPDX 090241Z 20009KT 10SM -RA SCT017 BKN040 OVC050 09/08 A2984 RMK AO2
RAB24 P0000 T00940078

There's a current one. :)

@DannyBeckett when testing parsers I just make fake METARs

3:24 AM

@voretaq7 sadly the parser doesn't actually parse the raw text. ADDS splits it into fields instead

"dust devil and volcanic ash with snow grains and heavy unknown precipitation".... and that's about when the parser wets itself and core dumps

I could make it parse raw_text, but it's probably more hassle

Anonymous

@DannyBeckett lol

@voretaq7 that's coming actually!

Anonymous

btw

Anonymous

3:25 AM

@DannyBeckett you can probably just print metar_type & raw_text & be OK

Anonymous

that's actually good aviation advice

I have 2 pages with all the codes: aviationweather.gov/adds/dataserver/metars/… aviationweather.gov/adds/dataserver/metars/…

Anonymous

"oh se the faa is actually trying to help us"

@voretaq7 yup changing it now :)

3:26 AM

@PatoSáinz The FAA is making the airport drop a museum on my tiedown! ::SULK::

restarting..

Anonymous

@voretaq7 what?

@PatoSáinz hang on I'll find the documents

!!metar eham

Otto the Autopilot

@DannyBeckett AMS/EHAM: METAR 090325Z 18013KT 8000 -RA SCT007 BKN008 10/09 Q1006 RERA BECMG 9999 FEW008 BKN040

3:28 AM

anyone have a SPECI one they could try?

Okay, last thing: It should be "METAR EHAM 090325Z..."

I'm looking for one.

You can use PHX if you can have it grab the second one instead of the newest one

ah, it only grabs newest

was designed like that from the beginning

@PatoSáinz republicairport.net/pdf/ExecutiveSummaryBrochure.pdf <-- Page 9. /cc @BretCopeland (Hangar Leapfrog!)

there was a little discussion about that

!!metar KMMV

Otto the Autopilot

3:30 AM

@lnafziger KMMV/MMV: METAR 090246Z 13004KT 7SM SKC 18/16 A3016 RMK SLP189 52013 993 HZY

that should be a special

actually, that isn't the newest: SPECI KMMV 090311Z AUTO 21009KT 10SM SCT020 BKN025 OVC036 09/08 A2986 RMK AO2
RAE05 P0001 T00940083

hmm, thats odd

must be an extra parameter I have to include to allow SPECIs

this is what I'm using now

http://aviationweather.gov/adds/dataserver_current/httpparam?dataSource=metars&requestType=retrieve&format=xml&stationString=' . $Airport->icao . '&hoursBeforeNow=24&mostRecent=true

The latest METAR that I have is: METAR KMMV 090253Z AUTO 20008KT 5SM -RA BR FEW023 OVC038 09/08 A2986 RMK AO2
RAB01 SLP109 P0012 60013 T00890083 58003

So yours is older than that too

are you able to figure out what URL I should be using?

aviationweather.gov/adds/dataserver_current/…

that's the one above

I'm using a different site, so their data may be more up to date.

3:32 AM

let me take a look at our source

see if I can figure it out...

Anonymous

Groom Lake

You're probably looking for The Hangar; this is a separate roo...

Anonymous

shouldn't we take this to ^

@PatoSáinz Haha, I was actually just thinking the same

@PatoSáinz huh?

Anonymous

@DannyBeckett huh?

3:34 AM

@DannyBeckett We are kind of taking over the room with bot testing chatter. We should probably move it to the other room

(this is where I figured out the URL from, if anyone wants to take a look: aviationweather.gov/adds/dataserver)

@lnafziger ah

ok, let's keep the bot talk in there then

We can still ask for people opinion about what to change, but the testing....

yeah

@voretaq7 so they're just moving the hangers to improve the runway safety area? Is it really more practical to move them than to build new ones?

@BretCopeland they're "historic"

3:38 AM

@voretaq7 uh huh, just like the historic Farmingdale LIRR station.

@BretCopeland Yeah but we built fighters in those hangars. They're WAR historic. That's what counts. :)

@voretaq7 yeah, and now it looks like this maps.google.com/…

@BretCopeland ...nobody visits the museum, they're kinda broke :-/

(I'd offer to buy their DC-3 but someone would have to pay for me to get the type rating. And for fuel... and maintenance....)

Didn't the Bethpage airport build way more war planes? That entire airport is gone now.

@BretCopeland yeah, Grumman Road goes right down what used to be the runway

I remember them flying F14s in and out of there for maintenance checks when I was a kid

and the big giant "If we see you with a camera we're going to put you through a turbine" signs on the gates :)

3:45 AM

cool

I'm amazed at how close some airports used to be to each other.

@BretCopeland Flushing Airport? :)

@voretaq7 that little tiny one next to LGA?

@BretCopeland well it's a swamp now, but yes :)

In Kansas City, where I'm from, there used to be be two airports literally just across the river from each other. maps.google.com/… You can still see the remains of some demolished runways.

They built B-25's at the Fairfax airport.

We built a goddamn lunar lander!

(now we make shitty movies)

3:52 AM

@BretCopeland They closed downtown?

@lnafziger no, MKC is alive and well.

Fairfax is the one that closed decades ago.

But they were both open at the same time for many years, which seems absurd because of how ridiculously close they are.

@lnafziger ever seen footage of Air Force One landing at MKC?

Ahhh, gtocha

Nope, but I've taxied right past Air Force One at Fort Meyers airport.

Nobody else was allowed to move on the airport surface, lol.

@lnafziger well, the video looks like it's been removed, but it was impressive. Partly because of how huge that plane looks coming into that airport which is relatively small, and also partly because of how shitty of a job the pilots did at landing it. They floated forever, and barely got stopped by the end of the runway taking a pretty high speed hard left turn.

lol, only the best flying that one.

@BretCopeland ...and that's the high end of our military flight corps folks.

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