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G. Moylan

17:00

I can add 2+2 all day but you might not know how that's relevant to a game system unless I can point to a rule that explains why

Trish

@G.Moylan Game design can not cite rules of the same game, only similar ones. Which I did in the end.

Thomas Markov

@Trish Yeah, your answer is fine now. But the original posting was just some math and a proposed 10-step scale with no mention about applying it in an rpg context. It was just a list of ranges - if I didn't know this was rpg.se, I would have had no idea you were writing about an rpg.

AncientSwordRage

@Trish I think the fact that you decided to choose that math to organise the scale is the subjective part, someone else might subjectively choose different maths

When you make that sort of choice, it's necessary to convince answer readers that it was the correct one, which is why people are asking for it to be supported

Trish

@AncientSwordRage ok, the only subjective part is that I chose that \$10^3\$ volume progression and have a short-range-abberation

AncientSwordRage

no MathJax in chat sadly

G. Moylan

17:06

@Trish I didn't claim that you needed to do that, only provide valid RPG context, which your original answer very much lacked.

what is the policy about edits to fix spelling in proper names?

Akixkisu

@G.Moylan what is the context?

G. Moylan

@Akixkisu A recent answer on this site mentions some well-known locations and they aren't spelled correctly

in the real world, I might add

Akixkisu

No guidance.

So everything that applies to regular edits applies to that edit, but nothing specific.

NautArch

@G.Moylan i'd so go ahead and fix'em

G. Moylan

17:21

Nice save with that edit, @NautArch

NautArch

@G.Moylan Thanks! It's a solid question.

G. Moylan

I was working on a comment that again explained how it was another XY problem

but your edit fixed that

NautArch

I could be wrong about their intent, but hopefully we're in sync.

Trish

@G.Moylan spellings? Go for them. Grammar , syntax? As long as you keep it true to the author. Citation format or citation errors? FINGERS OFF.

e.g. if you want to Cite players guide page 111 and write 777, that error should not be corrected, they might have a different book than you.

G. Moylan

@Trish I feel like citation errors is a gray area. If someone links to a locked DNDbeyond page but there's a free basic rules version, I'll switch that

Trish

17:25

@G.Moylan that's using a different/better source, I was meaning errors like wrong page of a book.

G. Moylan

@Trish ah

Akixkisu

There is no need to preserve the author's syntax.

Readability, and accessability triumph.

G. Moylan

yeah I've seen plenty of questions that are just a wall of text and could really benefit from some adjustments. like, I don't know, paragraphs

NautArch

I think if the quote is referencing the wrong page, it's more than okay to fix that.

Trish

@NautArch depends... if they have a quote to go with it? then you can confirm where it is actually meant to go, but if they point to a page without specifying what is there? TRicky... what if you have print 3 and they print 1?

NautArch

17:30

@Trish I'm very much a 5e guy, so that's my knowledge base - and those page numbers haven't changed to my knowledge.

If that's an issue in another system that I" not familiar with, then i'm not making changes anyway.

Trish

What if they qote the 20th anniversary edition of SR4 and you looked at the FanPro print? same chapters, often the same text, but there are up to 25 pages difference!

Someone_Evil

If it changes between editions, making sure there's a note about that is a rather good include

NautArch

As I said, for the game system I know, it's a non-issue. If someone knows their system, they'll know when it's an issue they know about.

Trish

I just say: pleas let the page numbers alone if someone quotes them, add a comment to ask which print run of the game the book they have.

Akixkisu

I see it as a let experts be experts decision, only do something if you know what you are doing.

2

If you know what you are doing it is easier to spot a typo or grasp whether something else is at work.

Thomas Markov

18:12

@G.Moylan Before we can consider War Caster, we have to already have an opportunity attack. How are we getting that opportunity attack?

G. Moylan

@ThomasMarkov I was forgetting that War Caster was a replacement for an opportunity attack we could already take

and despite being reminded of that it didn't quite click

Thomas Markov

As noted in another answer, Invoke Duplicity is not written well lol

G. Moylan

I removed my comments

Thomas Markov

@G.Moylan I've spoken with my board, they have determined that your answer will be eligible for the bounty award. It will be weighed against other eligible answers that come in during the bounty period.

G. Moylan

I was going to say "Praise Be." but I realized that could be taken a wild number of ways

KorvinStarmast

18:20

@G.Moylan I fix those with great frequency. I am doing what an editor does. And I usualy leave a comment like "check, make sure your meaning is intact" etc.

@ThomasMarkov understatement of the week

NautArch

I was wondering when the first question asking us to look at balance of a WoTC product would be. Is @Akixkisu's the first one?

G. Moylan

@KorvinStarmast yup. I feel bad for "chopping apart" questions sometimes but at the end of the day I remember that the whole point of this site is to be accessible and helpful to others

KorvinStarmast

@ThomasMarkov I had pondered offering a concise answer based on 'here is how you read a stat block in the MM' but @G.Moylan covered most of that ground so I didn't.

Thomas Markov

@NautArch We have questions about published spells.

NautArch

@ThomasMarkov Yeah, I guess it was more of asking if their UA is balanced. I've always thought we might end up a place doing that

Medix2

18:41

@NautArch Pretty sure you can't delete a question and then edit it

NautArch

@Medix2 really? oopsies.

i can delete my question, but i thought it was like answers

as long as they have their link, it's still there.

G. Moylan

@NautArch if it's deleted it's a 404. Not sure about undeleting

NautArch

@G.Moylan really? I feel like I've had access to deleted questions, but maybe that's a rep thing?

Thomas Markov

@NautArch 10k tool

NautArch

but do the writers have the same access?

Thomas Markov

18:43

Yes.

You can view your own deleted questions always

even under 10k rep

G. Moylan

The specific case here (I think) was deleting, editing, then undeleting a question

Medix2

@ThomasMarkov I thought there was a limit on the number of days?

Thomas Markov

@Medix2 Thats the "recently deleted" section of your user page.

You can see all of your deleted content by typing "deleted:1" into the search bar.

Which I think works under 10k.

Medix2

But also: "Why can I not edit a self-deleted question?"

Mithical

@ThomasMarkov no

G. Moylan

18:46

@ThomasMarkov yeah that didn't do anything for me

Mithical

You can always see your own deleted content if you already have a link; you can also edit your own deleted content.

Thomas Markov

@Mithical Ah, so under 10k, searching "deleted:1" yields nothing?

Medix2

"Enable searching with deleted:1 for 10k users"

Mithical

correct

Medix2

@Mithical Unless that content is a question and is self-deleted

G. Moylan

18:47

@Medix2 a self-deleted question

Mithical

No, you can still see it if you have a link

Medix2

You can't edit it though

You said "you can also edit your own deleted content." which is false, or well, which is not always true

Mithical

...I know I've edited deleted stuff in the past

Thomas Markov

I can edit Medix's deleted content.

G. Moylan

self-deleted questions can't be edited

Medix2

18:48

Okay, you can't edit a question that you asked and that you also deleted

G. Moylan

everythign else can

Mithical

@Medix2 What error do you get?

As in, what do you see if you try to edit it?

Medix2

@Mithical Give me a bit to go find one

Mithical

@Medix2 rpg.stackexchange.com/users/recently-deleted-questions/36521

Christian Martinez

oh cool i can do this now

Thomas Markov

18:49

Ive neve deleted a question

Christian Martinez

is there a specific chat for D&D?

Medix2

@Mithical That's recent? So it's blank

G. Moylan

@ChristianMartinez not presently that I know of. But we chat plenty of D&D here

Mithical

yeah, deleted within the past 60 days

Medix2

Mithical

18:50

...weird. I've never seen that before. TIL.

Thomas Markov

But you can edit your own deleted answers.

Medix2

Yes, yes you can

Thomas Markov

Do it all the time.

AncientSwordRage

@ThomasMarkov I noticed, and until then I never thought of doing it

Someone_Evil

IIRC it's an anti abuse feature. Deleted questions aren't pushed to the active page, nor do undeleting push them

AncientSwordRage

19:16

Seems cromulant

Christian Martinez

19:44

What would be the best "opposite" classes for Drow or Tiefling?

Someone_Evil

What's the normal?

Trish

@ChristianMartinez Drow? The typical PC Drow is a deserter. So the opposite is a priestess of Lloth. The typical Tiefling is sorcerer or rogue, so Paladin?

bobble

@ChristianMartinez note that the "PSE D&D Chatroom" is not a general D&D chatroom, it's for a specific group of friends to play a D&D campaign together, and it's gallery (speaking access restricted) to prevent strangers from interrupting. Sorry.

Christian Martinez

Ok

RevanantBacon

@Trish I suppose it depends on what direction you go "opposite". Paladin is probably the opposite of a rogue, but then, that's only if you're talking about stereotypical rogues and paladins. The opposite of a sorcerer could be a Wizard, or a cleric, or a fighter even, depending on how you look at it.

Christian Martinez

19:54

Cool ok

I'm just trying to make the oddest character possible

MikeQ

Give them all odd-numbered ability scores, and only play them at odd-numbered levels.

Only use dice with an odd number of sides.

Christian Martinez

...

Fine, the weirdest character

Trish

@ChristianMartinez Kobold. You build a Kobold. His name is Punpun. He kills gods.

Christian Martinez

Class?

RevanantBacon

@Trish No, Punpun bad sprays with water

Christian Martinez

19:55

You can play without a class?

Someone_Evil

Punpun is a 3.5e meme(?) IIRC

Christian Martinez

oh lol i only started playing in version 5e

RevanantBacon

@ChristianMartinez Punpun is a thought exercise character from the D&D-3.5e/pathfinder-1e era. It starts as a Wizard, and gains literal god levels of power before the game actually starts

@Someone_Evil That. He's a meme

Trish

@ChristianMartinez Punpun's class is... uh... lemme look it up...

Christian Martinez

Like seriously though, any suggestions on how to play as the weirdest, most confusing character possible in 5e?

MikeQ

19:57

Why would you want that?

Someone_Evil

What sort of confusing? What kind of end goal?

Trish

1d4chan.org/wiki/Pun-Pun - Pun-Pun. Kobold. Divine Minion 1/Wizard 1/Master of Many Forms 3

RevanantBacon

@ChristianMartinez First, why do you want this character to be weird and confusing?

Christian Martinez

To mess with my dungeon master as he attempts to make a campaign that fits in with my character

Trish

@ChristianMartinez HOW do you want to be confusing? Chaos sorcerers can be that by nature.

RevanantBacon

19:58

@ChristianMartinez Er... I'd sugest against that course of action

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Christian Martinez

That's what my DM told me

RevanantBacon

That kind of thing tends to take away from the game rather than add to it

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kviiri

@ChristianMartinez DnD 5e? You can't officially to my knowledge but there are popular-ish rule hacks with "level zero starts"

And yeah, I also recommend against passive-aggressive maneuvering

Christian Martinez

Huh ok

GcL

That's the kind of thing, that if done successfully, gets you uninvited from subsequent campaigns.

NautArch

19:59

And if done unsuccessfully, gets you uninvited for your current game, too.

kviiri

I mean there are probably groups where that'd be taken as a funny gag but... well, not knowing your GM, I'd urge caution.

Christian Martinez

Well I'm not trying to make a character that's horrible and bad. You see, I like chaotic characters and I just want another chaotic character

Someone_Evil

Or at least pushes Session 0s into your game group, which is a good thing, but there are better ways of getting there

NautArch

@Trish This is 5e, no chaos sorcerers.

MikeQ

There's always the wild magic sorcerer. That's probably the weirdest class option, and it's not even from an expansion book.

Someone_Evil

20:01

But chaotic doesn't have to mean difficult for others (GM, players, PCs) to work with

Christian Martinez

Like a conflicting class and race or something like that

NautArch

@ChristianMartinez That really isn't a thing in 5e. You can build something suboptimally, but even that doesn't really matter.

bobble

@ChristianMartinez I'll say it more directly: please stop requesting access to the PSE D&D chat.

Christian Martinez

Ok, sorry

MikeQ

@NautArch They could dump their spellcasting stat below 10.

Cat of doom2

20:02

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NautArch

@MikeQ True, but that's beyond suboptimal and more hobbling. But even then...the dice matter a lot.

bobble

You can read it. Anyone can read the chat. Just, our group doesn't know you and we'd like for only friends to have write access there.

Akixkisu

So what kind of weird do you want?

Cat of doom2

btw. if anyone sees KorvinStarmast tell him to head my way.

Christian Martinez

Like my previous character was a High Elf Warlock who thought he was a Cleric and keeps trying to heal people. It was fun and I actually got to like level 10 before I died

NautArch

20:03

@Catofdoom2 he's in chat, you can @ him.

MikeQ

@Catofdoom2 You've already pinged him in the other chat room. If he hasn't responded yet, then he'll see the message when he is next online.

Cat of doom2

ok

see you all soon

MikeQ

@ChristianMartinez That's kind of conceptually weird, but it doesn't seem too ridiculous to play. Is that what you had in mind?

Christian Martinez

Yeah, something like that

Someone_Evil

Let me offer something, I'm currently playing a Warforged Druid in one campaign. That has raised some eyebrows, but then the goal is to work with the fellow players to make it interesting (and have that translate to fun). But that's also having contradictory themes (is juxtapose an appropriate term?), not chaos for its own sake

Akixkisu

20:04

@NautArch let me know if you find out, I'm curious.

Christian Martinez

Ok, cool, thanks

GcL

@ChristianMartinez I suggest being "weird" or "quirky" or whatever in the narrative instead of trying to shoehorn it into the character mechanics. E.g. a divine caster that finds any other explanation but divine for the effects they produce.

MikeQ

@Someone_Evil That's not a contradiction, that's just Beast Wars

Christian Martinez

Ok

GcL

Also, check in with the other players to ask if they find what you're trying entertaining or annoying. There is too much of a funny thing, and when it gets in the way it ruins the shtick.

RevanantBacon

20:09

@GcL What? Noooo, everyone LOVES Abserd!

Someone_Evil

Similar ideas would be a tiefling paladin, or I suppose aasimar warlock, if you consider those thematically different sides of the classic good-evil conflict. Though there are a lot of landmines to avoid there. I prefer the nature-artificial conflict instead

Akixkisu

Play a 17-year-old male human-variant warrior who is cautious, well-spoken, generally respectful, and accomodating to their teammates. That is the weirdest concept that I can imagine.

GcL

A water genesai name "Bubbles" who is a wizard or sorcerer that specializes in fire spells.

Akixkisu

Bonus points if he has a sensible hobby like knitting.

RevanantBacon

Or an earth genasi that's a storm origin sorcerer

GcL

20:14

Tabaxi oath of vengence paladin dedicated to showing the world the evils of peanut butter.

NautArch

@GcL evils of peanut butter or to promote cheesiness?

Or maybe to make Faerun Grrrrreat!

RevanantBacon

@NautArch They were a corn farmer before they started adventuring

Christian Martinez

Oh huh, those are great ideas

GcL

And they probably don't get in the way of a story line or other players who actually want to get somethings accomplished.

NautArch

Halfing paladin riding a dog?

GcL

20:18

@NautArch With no sense of smell?

Christian Martinez

Haha

GcL

Or a backwards sense of smell... and the dog is a coward, no?

NautArch

@GcL such a good show

name him prrrrage.

GcL

If you like David Bowie in a cod piece, and mix-n-match muppets... yes.

RevanantBacon

@NautArch Wait, I already do those though lol

MikeQ

20:20

Speaking from experience, there's nothing inherently wrong with playing silly or chaotic characters, as long as they're not disruptive to everyone else's fun. Jokes get old very quickly, and not everyone will think the same joke is funny. If a character's only defining feature is a joke, then they can become irritating after the joke is no longer appreciated.

Christian Martinez

Ok

MikeQ

Troll characters, who are designed solely to irritate players or the GM, are an extreme case of this. They're maybe funny for the first 5 seconds of introduction, and will be followed by eye-rolling for the remainder of their existence. Plus, as others have said, it risks being uninvited from the game and future games.

Christian Martinez

Ok, I get it. Create a character wisely

GcL

Also, don't be opposed to changing the character if it's bad.

Hit in the head by a rock, drank some strong tea, or had a vision quest can be explanations from being an edgelord to something better.

"Aunty Em, it was a real, truly live place. I remember that some of it wasn't very nice, but most of it was beautiful. Just the same, all I kept saying to everybody was, 'I want to go back to my party.' And they sent me back."

Trish

@ChristianMartinez If you really want to make your DM mad at you: Illusionist with a rabbit familiar called Harvey, who wastes spells to keep it invisible at all times.

Christian Martinez

20:32

Haha, I want to suggest that just to see how he reacts

Illusionist isn't in 5e though

Someone_Evil

There's a wizard subclass for it

Christian Martinez

Oh ok, yeah. I just found it on the internet

Cool, thanks

Trish

Oh, and of course the wizard/illusionist insists that Harvey is there, but nobody can see him!

GcL

Or a wizard with an imaginary friend as a familiar. There is not familiar, but consult it for advice before answering anyway. "Harvey things into the dungeon is a good plan as well."

Just stuff on the side once or twice a session. Have your battle cry be "For Harvey!"

Trish

It's actually a film reference. :P

Harvey (1950 film)

Harvey is a 1950 American comedy-drama film based on Mary Chase's 1944 play of the same name, directed by Henry Koster, and starring James Stewart and Josephine Hull. The story centers on a man whose best friend is a pooka named Harvey, a 6 ft 3+1⁄2 in-tall (1.92 m) invisible rabbit, and the ensuing debacle when the man's sister tries to have him committed to a sanatorium. == Plot == Elwood P. Dowd is an amiable but eccentric man whose best friend is an invisible, 6 ft 3+1⁄2 in-tall (1.92 m) white rabbit named "Harvey". As described by Elwood, Harvey is a pooka, a benign but mischievous creature...

@ChristianMartinez The OTHER character that is perfect to drive GMs crazy is a Neutral Good Human Ranger. He hates Gnolls and has a hamster familiar called Boo. He claims that it is a miniature giant space hamster and throws him at enemies in battle with the cry "Go for the eyes!"

baldursgate.fandom.com/wiki/Minsc

NautArch

21:08

Illusions are tough, though, and require a lot of DM leeway. This may be a tough sell unless when it matters they aren't setting the party back.

Upper_Case

21:48

Was there ever an edition of D&D where a DM was forbidden (RAW, at least) from creating an NPC with a PC-style character sheet?

Helwar

DM and Forbidden are words I wouldn't use in a single sentence xD

I don't really know but it feels wrong xD

Upper_Case

@NautArch I'd even go so far as to say that 5e doesn't allow Illusionists in the sense that people usually intend. I had a rude realization of that coming from Shadowrun 5e; my Illusionist Wizard constantly disappointed me

BESW

Would you say that you were... disillusioned?

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Upper_Case

@Helwar Oh I agree. But there is a question recently posted where it was apparently an issue. It was "can I make an NPC following PC creation rules?". The edition wasn't tagged, but as far as I'm aware this would have been possible in every single one

@BESW Well I certainly would say that now

BESW

@Upper_Case 4e.

Upper_Case

21:51

@BESW Well that's decisive enough! I'm glad I asked about it here instead of trying to get clarifications in comments

BESW

In 4e, NPCs used stat blocks that were more like PCs than monster stats, but were aggressively pared-down and simplified compared to actual PCs.

We even have a question about it:

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Q: Why shouldn't I use fully statted PC characters as NPC antagonists in D&D 4E?

According to the DMG (187), NPCs in 4e seem to be run as a weird sort of template halfway between a monster and a PC - you don't generate an actual character with a full array of powers and feats. Is there a particular reason why I shouldn't create a fully-fledged character with PC levels to face...

Trish

@Helwar The only thing DMs are forbidden from is straight up distributing copies of the game :P

Upper_Case

22:10

And I've even seen DMs do that!

Helwar

22:25

what if you have a store? you legally distribute them!

BESW

22:39

But Is There Anything Worth Stealing? | D&D #Shorts

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I call that failing forward.

Helwar

22:55

that's great!

haha

Helwar

23:12

monkeys-paw-games.itch.io/into-the-black <--- Space exploration TTRPG, seems simple to play

BESW

23:27

Apr 23 at 3:42, by BESW

"Into The Black is a lightweight RPG love letter to Mass Effect without the military trappings" article by Chase Carter for Dicebreaker about Into the Black by Monkey's Paw Games.

r🐘:

Feeds

23:39

Needles & Nilbogs: EotW lore: Species and languages

posted on May 06, 2021 by Bardic Wizard

I’m not quite sure what to write today, because I’m low on sleep and high on stress, but I’ve been thinking a lot about some lore for the world of Ensign of the Week (side note: the redesign playtest material is waiting for a time when I have enough time to actually put some thought into it. It should show up sometime soon). Specifically, I’m thinking about the multitude of species present in …

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