You may get the feats with polymorph, or something like that. There was an explanation that made more sense before wild shape was changed to alternate form
There's also an entry in the FAQ on page 87 about it, but that's contradicted by an entry in the FAQ on page 88
@Tridus ah i thought i saw it: this is prob what your players is getting stuck on: "The Official Game Rules FAQ notes that racial feats and skills are extraordinary qualities, so you get them when you each MMF level 7."
Yep, and then on page 88 the same FAQ says this: Unless a racial trait is specifically referred to elsewhere as an extraordinary, supernatural, or spell-like ability (such as blindsense or damage reduction), it isn’t any of those.
(Besides which, racial feats are ones marked specially in the monster entry as racial. It's not the entire feast list)
(It also doesn't cover getting the racial properties itself, since Alternate Form says explicitly that you don't get that and nothing in Wild Shape or MoMF changes that)
It's so easy to miss important rules for tactical combat.
> Spreads expand evenly in all directions. If a spread originates from a square, its radius is measured from a vertex of that square. (The source of the effect that creates the spread chooses the vertex.)
@ReaperOscuro Yeah. :) What I"m going to have to do is go through it with him and explain what he gets and what he doesn't. Which will probably be an extended conversation, because ugh. But anyway, once it's done it should be happier.
(I can't read anything on Arqade because the pinstripe background matches my monitor refresh, which makes the background flicker like a bad florescent light.)
@RedRiderX A lot of game systems have pre-written ones or third party ones you can buy and use. I fyou're just starting out, that's a much easier way to go as you have to think about less stuff.
I would say Fate is more for experienced role-players, but I only recently learned it (as an experienced role player) and I might not be able to see how it can be played as a non-experienced user - but I may be wrong. :)
A system that introduces concepts like modifying the game masters story, introducing new aspects into scenes, and other such concepts may not be good to introduce someone to "roleplaying"
in Roll For Shoes you don't necessarily need to be an experienced GM, but if not, you probably want to be practiced in on the fly story telling which is a GM skill
@BESW That's a really kind offer, but I'm thinking that if I'm going to be roping in some friends who aren't already in to RPGs, I might need a more lighter, Old West setting.
@RedRiderX Yeah, that's why it's not a good idea for a first time. :)
The thing with developing your own scenario is that you really have to know it backwards and forwards, or be good at improv. Players will do the unexpected
In my game on Monday I had a funny thing with an offhand comment about some statues appearing in town, and the next thing I know the players are out at the limestone quarry trying to figure out who would have bought enough statue sized blocks to be making them
It requires more thinking on your feet, but I've run Fate games where we knew nothing about the setting, characters, or plot going in, and just discovered things as they happened. I'm not sure I'd recommend it for a first time, but the idea could be useful: you don't need to know everything if you can make some of it up as you go.
@InbarRose he printed the rules, grabbed some d6s and some chips, takes it with him in any situation where he might be in a place for an extended period with people.
@BESW That would be if you're good at improv, yeah. If you're doing it the first time it's probably hard to think on your feet like that without a safety net to fall back on, and a premade setting provides that.
@RedRiderX One thing about Fate - because it is able to be used in pretty much any setting or story, is that you can latch onto something you all know, Like playing in the X-Men universe, or playing out your favorite Game Of Thrones episode.
@BESW If you're good at it, it's awesome. You can react to anything, no matter how off the wall. When I was new I needed help, and a premade setting was really useful for establishing that. If I didn't know what to do when the players wanted to do something, I had the resource to draw on to help
(I once ran a game in the Wheel of Time universe, which wasn't so much a premade campaign as it was "everybody at the table has read the books and we know how the world works, so lets play")
@RedRiderX As you probably know, if you've only got d6s you can read them as Fudge dice using 1-2 as minus, 3-4 as blank, and 5-6 as plus. But we've got a snazzy script that makes d6s look like Fudge dice in the Fate Game Room.
A more technical answer.... I used Python to write a simple enough code that can calculate this. For the non-coders, I am sorry... (I have put the code at the end of the answer so not to get in the way)
I used the variables I got from the chat to get these results:
>>> calculate()
most common:...
haha, I'm not even adding exploding dice. How would I format that. I've got AdBkC so 4d6k2 would be roll 4 d6's and keep the top 2. I'd have to feed ranges for explosions..
From a mathematical standpoint, expected outcome of any XkY roll is just a pain to calculate. All people I know who've tried to figure it out, ended up saying "screw this", wrote up a roller, and logged the results of a million rolls, for each roll from 1k1 to 10k10.
that was one of three simply amazing images to be linked in the Reaper KS comments last night. The other two were a tiamat crustacean hybrid and a Sophie riding a waffle eating belly dancing tarrasque riding a gazebo being flown by kaladrax
@Zachiel yea but its a neat concept! Plus its not like your going to get someone routinely true sight animals (which im sure you could wildling clasp a magic item to block), and take one lv in rogue to sort out the skills!
@waxeagle lunch and chat, perfect combo. Dont even have to worry about talking with your mouth full!
That is... a tarrasque in a diaphanous belly-dancing outfit, holding a waffle, on a gazebo, with a dracolich inside the gazebo and... something... on the tarrasque's horn.
@ReaperOscuro no, sadly not my hand, I have not art ability. The Pitamat is from a concept artist named Talin, and I don't remember the artist on the tarrasquelichzebo mount.
So my MoMF player from earlier today got back to me. He was happy with how we ruled it, and then said he needed Monster Manuals 2 and 3 to make it workable...
which is A) BS, and B) a stupid question, since there's a list of allowed books and those aren't on it
sigh
So we're solving the problem by simply changing him to straight Druid
I really don't get why some people don't understand what "you can use stuff from X, no matter what your min/max reading on the Internet says" means.
Oh, a player made a new character based on misunderstanding rules, and was unhappyt when I corrected him. We worked that out, but now he wants material in disallowed books or the thing isn't playable apparently
it kind of sounds like dude only wants to make a character on his own terms, damn the rules...
I would kind of prefer not to play with a guy like that in the first place, but that's just me and, well, there could be 20 other issues that make you want to keep him
In the next several months I might be able to help you with that. Working on a game scheduling app that is part of my Roleplaying Guild in the Baltimore MD area. It'll enable anyone anywhere to be able to list a game and find players for said game in the local area.
Including, of course, located at the tables in our game space. But that's a bit of a trek for you. lol
If you could flush out exactly what you want and send requirements to me I would take a look and see what I could do. It might be awhile as I would have to have my own computer to do this on so I don't break any rules with my job.
@Tridus aye gevoi...i can see why he'd try doing such though: one of the most amazing things of dnd is the truly marvelous selection of monsters. Now im not of course suggesting you rescind on your decision, but in future what about ever MoMF lv allow one creature form (from those that you are allowed) from an exotic source?
@Aaron yea it is heavy in size and pdf would be mucho better, but just thought could help point in the right direction :)
@ReaperOscuro It does look a bit like that I suppose. I like art though so I look at is as art and not associated with MLP aside from using their character.
A more technical answer.... I used Python to write a simple enough code that can calculate this. For the non-coders, I am sorry... (I have put the code at the end of the answer so not to get in the way)
I used the variables I got from the chat to get these results:
>>> calculate()
most common:...
