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Bob

3:00 PM

Everyone with their SSDs :P

@BenBrocka Failing with obscure errors, too.

Ben Brocka

@JourneymanGeek ew ew ew ew. I would throw away anything under 1 TB that isn't an SSD

Bob

It was more reliable back with XP/2003, I'm quite sure.

Hennes

Well, except in laptops.

Ben Brocka

@Bob oh, yeah I've had that happen too

Bob

All I have are half a dozen HDDs. (4x 2TB, 1x 1.5TB, 1x 720GB (laptop))

Hennes

3:01 PM

a 250 GiB HDD in a disc is large enough.

Ben Brocka

But I don't really trust other free backup solutions. And I don't like the pay ones either

Journeyman Geek

@BenBrocka: oh, and a 500gb internal too

Bob

@BenBrocka I find Acronis is quite good

Ben Brocka

@Hennes laptops are fine with less storage but I'd still get an SSD

Tanner

@allquixotic ahhh, that's going to take me a while to reply to xD lol

Hennes

3:02 PM

If I had spare cash I would add a 80 or 60GiB SSD to my laptops primary drive bay

Ben Brocka

Even with the motion sensors I don't trust mechanical parts in a frequently moving device. Also I drop things a lot

Journeyman Geek

@BenBrocka: I'd like to relegate most of those to JBODish things, but I've currently got limited finances, and a half dozen things that need my attention ;p

Ben Brocka

I built a beefy-ish gaming/recording PC for recording youtube videos, and I get more money on videos so I keep upgrading semi-regularly. But big and fast drives were a priority, I can't have IO be a bottleneck

allquixotic

@Bob Having used a mSATA SSD in my Surface Pro, and an enterprise-grade SATA 3.5" SSD in my dedicated server, comparing it with the performance of (1) a high-end microSD card, (2) a USB 3.0 flash drive, (3) a regular hard drive, I'd say the mSATA drive is marginally faster than a regular HDD, and the enterprise SSD is astonishingly, almost unbelievably faster than a regular HDD.

Bob

@Hennes considering replacing my DVD drive with a SSD... alternatively, I could get a portable HDD

allquixotic

3:03 PM

In short, if you don't want to pay $1000 for a 256GB enterprise SSD, the performance isn't going to blow your socks off.

Bob

or, I could even stick a SSD into a USB3 caddy o.O

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: I got my samsung 840 free

Bob

@allquixotic Marginally? :S

Journeyman Geek

its pretty impressively snappy

Hennes

a SSD in an eSATA caddy works wonders.

Bob

3:04 PM

@allquixotic still gotta be better than this. this piece of crap in my laptop peaks at maybe 40 MB/s

@Hennes don't have eSATA on the laptop

Hennes

But I eventually moved my only SSD to the desktop, as JBOD.

allquixotic

@Bob Yes. Marginally. The slim form factor (I think even smaller than 2.5") mSATA SSD in my Surface Pro is only a little bit faster than a full fat laptop's 2.5" 7200rpm SATA HDD.

Basically, small SSDs aren't all that impressive right now.

Journeyman Geek

hm, what's the proper way to deal with someone who posts 3 identical answers?

allquixotic

Large enterprise ones though, holy fsck, hold on to your socks

Hennes

512MB RAM on a RAID card in combination with a SSD works quite well.

Journeyman Geek

3:05 PM

lol

allquixotic

I think the Surface Pro's SSD is SLC. That's probably the difference.

More expensive enterprise SSDs are MLC.

Ben Brocka

@JourneymanGeek letter for letter identical? Mods actually get an automatic flag when people do that

Journeyman Geek

yup

autoflagged

would have spamflagged it if it wasn't a 1k+ user

Bob

@allquixotic what I've read before stated exactly the opposite

that SLC was faster and more reliable

Journeyman Geek

downvoted all 3 ;p

Bob

3:08 PM

and MLC was more consumer-oriented

Journeyman Geek

he's no longer a 1K user

@allquixotic: SLC is faster

allquixotic

oh, oops, I got them backwards

Journeyman Geek

there's a few other factors, enterprice SSDs have more spare space

Bob

and then there's TLC (not that TLC)

allquixotic

thanks

Journeyman Geek

3:08 PM

and the controlelrs

jokerdino

I am gonna learn PLC

Journeyman Geek

my samsung has TLC, and isn't much slower than the MLC 840 pros

Ben Richards

Any of you guys know if a Radeon HD 6970 would be mismatched with a Core i5-3550?

allquixotic

@BenRichards can't see why not

although if you're buying a new 6970 I'd go for a 7000 series instead

Journeyman Geek

@BenRichards: mismatched how?

allquixotic

3:10 PM

7790 is apparently the new hot diggity dog and it's not all that expensive. or the 7970, I can personally vouch for that one

Journeyman Geek

You're unlikely to see a bottleneck with the interfaces (no one's really ever reported that happening)

and I do believe anandtech still uses a SB system for benchmarking ;p

allquixotic

yeah the interfaces won't be a problem as long as your mobo has PCI-E 3.0 (Ivy Bridge mobos do, but Sandy Bridge mainstream mobos don't)

@JourneymanGeek SB-E probably, for the high end CPU clocking and stuff

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: I kinda doubt the video card would totally saturate a PCI-E 2.0 lane either

allquixotic

SB-E > Ivy-mainstream in raw throughput, so no wonder he uses that

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: actually no, I think its a standard SB

allquixotic

3:12 PM

really? it's not LGA 2011?

I wonder if Intel is going to someday say "you know what, screw it, these -E series are too expensive for us to produce, and we end up spending more money on them than we get back because only a few elite consumers will put up the money to buy them"

Ben Richards

@allquixotic Nope, upgraded my 2 6970s to a 7970. Was gonna give them to my brothers.

allquixotic

besides, it takes an insanely long time for them to churn 'em out. it's not like Haswell-E is on its way in 2013

Ben Richards

@JourneymanGeek Was wondering if it would be bottlenecked, since apparently that can happen. I am not familiar with that though.

I guess it'll be fine. Ok!

Journeyman Geek

my bad, SB-E

allquixotic

@BenRichards 2 6970s? hmm.... well aside from games not scaling to multiple GPUs, I don't foresee any problems

Journeyman Geek

3:15 PM

@allquixotic: I think the E series are a little like those crazyass limited run cars ;p

@allquixotic: I think @BenRichards ran that setup for a while

@BenRichards: oh, for the freebie motherboard? ;p

Ben Richards

@allquixotic No, each of my brothers will get one. :P

Journeyman Geek

ahh ;p

Ben Richards

@JourneymanGeek Yeah. :P

I'm replacing those two with a single card. Crossfire is great but comes with its own caveats.

Journeyman Geek

lol

Ben Richards

Though I'm wondering if this upgrade will be a downgrade, performance wise. I mainly wanted the four mini-DP outputs :)

We'll see :P

Journeyman Geek

3:17 PM

I've never ever considered anything past a single midrange card ;p

Ben Richards

Hehe

3x1080p Eyefinity really pushed those cards hard. Though I still got playable framerates at maxed or near maxed settings :P

Journeyman Geek

lol

my monitor is not that high res ;p

so the 660 I have kinda dosen't really get to stretch its legs

Ben Richards

I just got a 1920x1200 Dell IPS monitor for work. 24". Is nice.

Ah

See, those two cards on a single monitor absolutely trounced anything I threw at it. :P

Journeyman Geek

lol

KronoS

well Skeptics didn't like it either:

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A friend told to me the following: I don't use Anti-Virus software at all, I am just careful about where I go and what I click on. I've also heard this from other people as I've repaired their PC's and cleaned up the malware/viruses they've received from browsing to the "wrong" sites. Fina...

Journeyman Geek

3:19 PM

mine is not even HD

KronoS

BUT... I did finally find this. I think I'm going to blog about this subject

seems worthwhile

Journeyman Geek

rather amusing since I did blow quite a bit on my mouse and keyboard

Ben Richards

@JourneymanGeek Arguably two of the most important components, since you're using them all the time.

Journeyman Geek

(and my monitor is like, the cheapest one that wasn't total crap ;p)

Ben Richards

I'm on my Das Professional S (Cherry MX Browns) and Kensington ExpertMouse (trackball). Ergonomic heaven. :)

Journeyman Geek

3:21 PM

@BenRichards: yeah. upgraded the shared PC to a mechanical too

its gonna need some repairs soon, got a dying drive :/

Ben Richards

Nice

aw

Journeyman Geek

lol

well, nothing on it I REALLY need

about half of it is backups

Ben Richards

heh

Journeyman Geek

(the systems that are backed up still run, so its a simple matter of re-backing them up)

Ben Brocka

@BenRichards I have that same keyboard

allquixotic

3:25 PM

@JourneymanGeek yeah but considering how long it takes them to fab them out (and they have to fab a whole chipset for them AND a unique processor with the GPU removed and replaced with CPU stuff) it can't be profitable

Ben Brocka

Only annoying thing is it's even louder so my mic always picks it up

allquixotic

there aren't millions of people buying Sandy-E today, are there? with Haswell right around the corner??

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: I was under the impression they were a varient of their server parts

allquixotic

on the other hand, I almost feel like the -E series are like a beta / technology test for the next generation stuff, because many -E motherboards get features that are years ahead of the mainstream curve

Ivy-E is going to get DDR4, I believe

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: like skull trail? ;p

allquixotic

3:27 PM

@JourneymanGeek what's that?

HackToHell

@allquixotic Specs are finalized ?

allquixotic

@HackToHell doubtful

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: dual socket enthusiast systems

Intel Skulltrail

Intel's Skulltrail is an enthusiast gaming platform that was released on February 19, 2008. It is based on the company's 5400 "Seaburg" workstation chipset. The primary difference between Skulltrail and Intel's current and past enthusiast chipsets is a dual CPU socket design that allows two processors to operate on the same motherboard. Therefore, Skulltrail can operate eight processing cores on one system. The platform supports two Core 2 Extreme QX9775 processors (commonly mistaken for the Core 2 Extreme QX9770, which is the LGA775 counterpart), which operate at 3.2 GHz. Skulltrai...

allquixotic

Ivy's been out for well over a year and there's no sign of a release date for Ivy-e

which, if Ivy-E were based on Ivy-EP (the server chipset), it'd already be out

since we have Ivy based Xeons already

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic IIRC there was a delay for SB-e too

Ben Richards

3:29 PM

@BenBrocka It's a nice keyboard. Still tempted to mod it though to make it quieter

They need to add sound dampening when you bottom out.

Ben Brocka

@BenRichards Is there a way to do that while keeping the browns?

Journeyman Geek

yeah, you add o rings

Ben Richards

Yeah, just add cushioning under the keys.

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek there was, but Ivy-E seems much more protracted of a delay

Journeyman Geek

@BenRichards: don't bottom out ;p

Ben Brocka

3:30 PM

Doesn't change the feel at all?

Journeyman Geek

that's why blues are great starter mechanicals

Ben Richards

@JourneymanGeek Trying to train myself to do that more. It's not easy to break ~20 years of habit. :P

Ben Brocka

I don't like the blues, the click is too high pitched

Ben Richards

I pound my keys often.

Journeyman Geek

@BenBrocka: the clicks tell you when to stop pressing

Ben Richards

3:31 PM

Blues were shockingly loud. Though I did love buckling spring.

Journeyman Geek

lets you adjust your style

lol

my blues arn't bad

Ben Brocka

@JourneymanGeek yeah, but you can feel it with the browns

Ben Richards

@BenBrocka You don't have to bottom out. The press is registered mid-key travel.

Journeyman Geek

I want a model M

Ben Richards

@JourneymanGeek My blues aren't bad either. Just prefer something a bit quieter.

Ben Brocka

3:32 PM

wat

Journeyman Geek

lol

someone linked that earlier

Ben Richards

@BenBrocka Saw that. The display hinges forward to hide the touchpad.

Though usability-wise, I think it's a good design. Just looks weird to us :P

Ben Brocka

It's a good design if you never ever use the touchpad

Ben Richards

@BenBrocka I mean it's more comfortable to reach forward for the touchpad than to go back.

I always thought that, anyway.

Though I do like the nub too, these days.

Ben Brocka

Maybe. I haven't used a touchpad regularly in years

allquixotic

3:34 PM

@JourneymanGeek @HackToHell Nevermind, looks like the Xeons based on Ivy Bridge are actually based on Ivy Bridge Mainstream and not Ivy-EP... so the whole Ivy-{E,EP,EX} line hasn't even launched

Ben Brocka

Laptop has one of those nub things so I just use my thumb

allquixotic

They're definitely arriving later than Haswell-mainstream, since that's due next week supposedly, but how much later? we don't know

the Intel process is more like "tick-a tock-a" now with the extra performance lines lagging behind :P

"Tick-a tock-a, Ben-a Brock-a" ;)

Ben Brocka

What's the scoop on new Intel processors now? I've been thinking of upgrading eventually if only so Flash games stop stuttering (maybe)

allquixotic

@BenBrocka if you're talking about a desktop, wait about a month and a half and then buy a Haswell system... something like a Core i7-4770

it should be a performance king for a time, even over and above Sandy-E

Journeyman Geek

why not a K? ;p

unless you want VT-D eventually

allquixotic

3:37 PM

@JourneymanGeek VT-D >:(

Journeyman Geek

lol

Ben Brocka

So Haswell is the new line or what? I haven't followed intel super closely

allquixotic

unless i7-4770K has VT-D? :D

Journeyman Geek

@BenBrocka: code name for the next gen

so its the 4th generation core i processors

allquixotic

@BenBrocka Tick Tock. "Tick" is a fabrication line migration (to make smaller semiconductors); "Tock" is a new microarchitecture on the same fab line as the previous generation (to make smarter hardware designs)

Journeyman Geek

3:39 PM

so totally new microachitecture on the same process size as IB

allquixotic

The codenames for the last few (not obsolete as of yet) Core processors are, in order: Nehalem, Sandy Bridge, Ivy Bridge, and within the next month, Haswell

Actually, I think I missed Westmere between Nehalem and Sandy Bridge

Journeyman Geek

lol

yeah

Ben Brocka

So this is the relevant jump or the little jump?

allquixotic

Nehalem was a tock, Westmere was a tick, Sandy Bridge was a tock, Ivy Bridge was a tick, and Haswell will be a tock

Journeyman Geek

@BenBrocka: supposedly pretty major

much lower power use

2-3x igpu performance on some models compared to the previous gen

Ben Brocka

3:41 PM

I've heard AMD's GPUs follow a similar pattern. Watching out for their new line too, since I'll be 2 gens behind at that point

allquixotic

@BenBrocka both are really huge -- what you tend to see in "tick" generations (new fab, old microarchitecture) is reduced power consumption, lower heat generation, and incremental feature/performance wins; in "tock" generations, you see major new features and platform upgrades, but the power consumption either stays pat, or increases

Hennes

omg. Pretty please do not bring adobe any ideas

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Bob

@allquixotic There's a Westmere? o.O

@Hennes You can already embed JS...

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: makes sense that there is ;p

SB is, after all, 3rd generation of the core family

Hennes

There is a reason no longer use adobe reader for PDF's

Ben Brocka

3:41 PM

Power consumption doesn't matter for me much. Desktop, got enough PSU and cooling. Don't care about my power bills

Journeyman Geek

(blah, this is confusing since there's a older pentium M based core family)

Hennes

How about the noise from the cooling

allquixotic

@BenBrocka personally I'm running on a cadence of upgrading on every "tick", because skipping the tocks gives the microarchitecture a chance to stabilize; and a "tick" is still going to be significantly faster than a "tock" because they can fit more semiconductors on the die with a smaller die size

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I always thought it was second. The model numbers did not help.

Journeyman Geek

@Hennes: IB's cooling is pretty quiet, stock

allquixotic

3:42 PM

@BenBrocka, Also, realize that software takes a while to catch up to take advantage of all the new features of a "tock"

by the time the tick comes around for the previous tock's microarchitecture, compilers probably have caught up

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: I upgrade every 5 years or so ;p

my last build was in 07

Hennes

I used to upgrade yearly. P100, AMD200, AMD2 300, dual celeron 366, dual celron 466, ...

allquixotic

I upgraded from Nehalem to Ivy Bridge because I had a period in there where I simply couldn't afford to upgrade. and earlier in life I had less control over my upgrade cadence due to parents dictating the family budget.

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Hennes

But right now I got an old rig (Nehalem, i7 920) is it simply is fast enough

jokerdino

3:44 PM

@Blogbot that was so old

allquixotic

I skipped Westmere and Sandy Bridge, which has landed me squarely in the "upgrade on ticks" cadence now

Journeyman Geek

I'm a little suprised the old girl is holding up as well as she is, other than needing to swap the PSU, one fan, and a video card)

@Hennes: precisely!

Tanner

oh, did you guys see this? blog.serverfault.com/2013/05/29/…

Ben Brocka

@allquixotic I'd be waiting a year or two before the next tick though, I assume. I mean my current build isn't really a problem either, I'm just figuring I'll keep upgrading as I get money from youtube (basically to put that back into my recording hardware)

allquixotic

@BenBrocka yeah -- the tick after Haswell (tock) hits next month is going to be WAY off in the distance

Journeyman Geek

3:44 PM

I only got a new desktop since everyone kept kicking me off my old one ;p

@Tanner: yeah ;p

Tanner

@JourneymanGeek too cool lol

Journeyman Geek

I doubt anyone who isn't a sysadmin knows who tom limonecelli is

allquixotic

I think the ticks are going to be slowing down more than the tocks, because it's getting harder for the physicists to make semiconductors out of less and less material

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: tho, there's some new cool processes - I think intel used 3d transistors on IB

allquixotic

but with a tock you just have to review your CPU design and make some enhancements at the layout and microarchitecture layers

which is fairly predictable

Journeyman Geek

3:46 PM

then one of the other semiconductor companies has finfets

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek they did, which helps reduce power consumption

jokerdino

@Tanner they use disqus?

Tanner

@jokerdino I quite like disqus

jokerdino

except when it's not loading

allquixotic

@BenBrocka if your current build isn't killing you, and you can afford to wait until Q4 2014 or so to upgrade, I'd say wait for the tick following on from Haswell, and you'll have a super efficient, modern, CPU, with any kinks and lessons learned from Haswell already ironed out for you

Tanner

3:47 PM

@jokerdino hah

allquixotic

and the software you run by then should be well-adapted to taking advantage of any of the new architecture features of Haswell

Haswell's tick will be called Broadwell

when you start hearing us talk about Broadwell in here, your ears should perk up ;-)

Ben Brocka

@allquixotic another factor might be the GPU. I may need to upgrade the mobo (mine isn't PCI e 3? or whatever the latest is) to get a new GPU, and to get an intel chip I'll have to get a new mobo anyway. But that would suddenly make it a very expensive upgrade

Journeyman Geek

XD

@BenBrocka: you should be able to run a midrange GPU on what you have now

actually, we were talking to @BenRichards about that ;p

allquixotic

@BenBrocka it would make it an expensive upgrade. however, you can upgrade to a current-generation PCI Express 3.0 GPU and continue to use a PCI Express 2.1 motherboard, and it should be fine (I don't see many situations aside from microbenchmarks that would saturate the PCI-E bus)

Ben Brocka

@JourneymanGeek Well I have a 6950. But I'm thinking of picking up something when the 8000series hits

Journeyman Geek

3:49 PM

so the grandfather's axe approach would work here

jokerdino

@JourneymanGeek yeah too many Bens

Journeyman Geek

lol

@jokerdino: yeah.

Ben Brocka

@allquixotic Well I have an AMD board so the board has to go either way

allquixotic

I don't think even a video encoding OpenCL kernel that uses 100% of the GPU's shader cores would be able to saturate the PCI-E bus. the limiting factor would be the GDDR5 on the GPU.

Journeyman Geek

I acually get bob confused more, cause I b tab him, and ben tab benrichards.

Ben Brocka

3:51 PM

It was an intentionally high-mid build so I got a pretty cheap mobo/CPU (i.e. amd). Was around $200 total for them I think. It works fine, I just always have an itch to upgrade

allquixotic

@BenBrocka no, not really -- you can keep your AMD mobo (as long as it has PCI-E >= 2.0, although preferably 2.1), keep your CPU, keep your RAM, then sometime this year just buy yourself a new GPU, either Nvidia 7xx series or Radeon HD7900 series, then in late 2014 you can jump platform from AMD -> Intel Broadwell

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: the reviews for the 770 look good ;p

allquixotic

worst case you have to buy a PSU to support the power draw of the new GPU, but I can't see a need to upgrade your mobo/CPU just to support a new GPU, if you have PCI-E 2.0

Ben Brocka

@allquixotic Oh, I see what you mean. 3.0's not a huge jump then?

jokerdino

@JourneymanGeek i don't bother tabbing for bob

Journeyman Geek

3:51 PM

(but I'm an nvidia fanboy)

@jokerdino: I'm lazy ;p

Ben Brocka

My PSU;s like 600W, should be fine

Journeyman Geek

@BenBrocka: double the bandwidth

Ben Brocka

And I have 0 plans to get dual GPUs

Journeyman Geek

but the video cards don't need that much in most cases

allquixotic

@BenBrocka PCI-E 3.0 simply expanded the maximum bandwidth ceiling for a PCI Express lane; however, GPUs currently can't generate or receive data at a rate that would saturate the bus.

jokerdino

3:52 PM

@JourneymanGeek it's tough being a dog. I see

Ben Brocka

Yeah, whether it uses the bandwidth was my question

Sorta like SATA 3 for consumer HDDs

Journeyman Geek

@jokerdino: amusingly, it was when we were talking about being an audiophile ;p

allquixotic

@BenBrocka exactly

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allquixotic

I suspect a GTX TITAN would be able to saturate a PCI-E 2.0 bus under extreme benchmarking conditions, overclocked, water cooled, etc

other than that, a current gen GPU just won't saturate PCI E bus

Ben Brocka

3:53 PM

Well, I'll be eyeing whatever dual core GPU AMD puts out. But I'll probably be put off by the price

jokerdino

@GFSE it's a dupe!

Ben Brocka

And honestly I'm not very GPU-limited as-is

allquixotic

@BenBrocka the HD7990 GPU is already released, it's two Tahiti XT cores

it has around 4000-and-some-change shader cores, and 6 GB of GDDR5

Ben Brocka

@allquixotic I meant 8000. But I'm thinking they probably won't have anything under $700 that has two GPUs on one board

allquixotic

@BenBrocka AMD has officially said that they are not making a generational release in 2013. The "HD8000" branding is a sham; OEMs are selling HD8000 based parts that are simply rebranded HD7000 series

they might make incremental card releases that are carefully binned or overclocked or extra VRAM, but everything out of AMD in 2013 (and probably Q1 2014) will be based on the HD7000 series GPU architecture

Ben Brocka

3:56 PM

@allquixotic Oh, really? Lame. I heard about the 8000 branding fakes but I thought they were also slated to make "real" 8000s soon

allquixotic

Nvidia has already shown their hand; the HD7000 series was originally stacked up against the Nvidia GTX 680 (Kepler), and Nvidia has already iterated on top of Kepler and pushed out a new line in the GTX 7xx series.

but the GTX 780 will be the king of GPU computing until at least Q2 2014 (actually the GTX TITAN, but that's more of a workstation/enthusiast part, so the 780 is the consumer part leader)

AMD looks like they're pulling the slingshot waaaaaaaaaaaay back to make it as taught as possible before they throw their next volley

I suspect the next architecture iteration from AMD to be an absolute beast and to destroy the GTX 780

but it's a long time coming, as of now

Ben Brocka

Huh. Hoping they use the cash injection from all 3 major consoles using AMD chips to step their game up

allquixotic

yeah, I think they'll continue to compete, but they're giving Nvidia almost a full year of having the best parts technically speaking

they'll probably just compete on price by dropping HD7000 retail prices, and compete on sheer marketing fluff with OEM HD8000s >_<

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