Root Access

Ave

00:06

I'm taking recommendations for decent cloud servers under 25eur/usd per mo.

bwDraco

@Ave Linode.

Ave

a 600 user service is shutting down and may advertise us soo

GDPR

@Ave what sort of specs are you looking for, and do you want bare metal (which is possible), VM, or container?

Ave

preferably baremetal but all is fine

bwDraco

Bare metal is a bit harder to find at this point, but they do exist. However, you'll probably wind up with a system with a slower processor per core (most likely an Atom or a very old Xeon).

GDPR

00:08

I got two servers (one even heavier discounted than the other) from Delimiter before their legacy server sale expired. Both same specs roughly -
2 x Xeon L5630 (Westmere, a.k.a. Nehalem die shrink - has VT-x and EPT and DDR3)
2 x 500 GB 5400 RPM HDD
24 GB DDR3

price: $200/year US for one, $350/year US for the other

haven't seen anything else quite like it on the market but Delimiter's support is awful

$200/yr is $16.67 US / mo, $350/yr is $29.17 US / mo

bwDraco

Do you need resizeability or other cloud features?

Journeyman Geek

@Ave if you're not super picky over features...

bwDraco

Cloud gives you more flexibility but you'd have to pay a bit more for it.

Journeyman Geek

online.net/en/server-dedicated/start-2-m-ssd is what I use

Ave

@bwDraco would be better yeah

bc storage needs to go up

Journeyman Geek

00:09

no ILO style thing so you're stuck with their OS choices

GDPR

you generally get WAY worse specs for your money with virtualization based cloud

Ave

GDPR

containers are okay usually

bwDraco

Bare metal gives you better hardware and predictable performance (because it isn't shared) but upgrading and scaling up will be harder.

Journeyman Geek

errrrr online.net/en/server-dedicated/start-2-m-sata

GDPR

00:10

on Azure you can get approximately nothing for $25 US/month

on AWS you might be able to swing a spot instance with 1 GB of RAM for that

Ave

@JourneymanGeek "victim of its success"

@GDPR lol yup

I'll never move to azure or aws

Journeyman Geek

@Ave online's stock tends to be sold out fast

bwDraco

Linode gives you 4 GB of RAM, two processor cores, and 80 GB of storage at $20/month.

Ave

yes ik i have a seedbox on start-2-s-sata

GDPR

OVH somehow manages to keep stock except for kimsufi/soyoustart despite being great value

Ave

00:12

@bwDraco this is our current machine

it's baremetal

Journeyman Geek

pity I can't transfer systems

Ave

let's up the budget to 35

Journeyman Geek

I have an older model with SATA I haven't gotten around to cancelling

GDPR

@bwDraco I suppose that's better than "server has been down for 2 weeks and they won't tell me why" at $16.67/month, even if my specs are (in theory) 24 GB of RAM instead of 4 and 8 CPU cores instead of 2

bwDraco

(there was an upgrade about a month ago which expanded storage substantially)

GDPR

00:13

@Ave kimsufi.com/us/en/servers.xml

> KS-12 Intel Xeon W3520 4c/8t 2.66GHz 32GB DDR3 ECC 1333 MHz SoftRaid 2TB 100 Mbps /128 $29.99

Journeyman Geek

@GDPR depends on what you run ;p

bwDraco

At $35, bare metal starts to get more attractive.

Again, do you need the ability to quickly (within minutes) expand the system's capabilities?

GDPR

an old Xeon W is probably not awesome for game servers but I'm sure it'd do great on web workloads with 32 gigs of RAM

OMG BOB I GOT THE ELECTRICAL CONNECTOR :D :D :D

> Dear Customer,

Please note that our technical teams will intervene on your server <redacted> in 15 minutes in order to carry out the following intervention:

Electric connector

Ave

@GDPR okay this is really interesting

Journeyman Geek

0_0

Ave

00:18

@GDPR it's not a game server, it's a filehost

bwDraco

This sounds like the sort of thing where cloud-based scalable block storage makes sense.

GDPR

@Ave kimsufi and soyoustart both use OVH's infrastructure, they're just different offerings from the same parent company... still really good balance between service and price though

I've had about two dozen different people on WebHostingTalk, even Presidents/CEOs of other hosting companies, tell me to stick with OVH based on my needs of "most bang for your $$$"

Ave

How stable is OVH

and would you recommend FR or CA?

GDPR

@Ave extremely... they've had very rare outages from things like fiber cuts but that's not even every month, that's like, once every few years unless an apocalypse happens

my server is basically always up other than that one incident

over years

@Ave depends - ping it and see which one you like better - both are good, you do get local support techs, CA ones tend to speak better English than the ones from FR

ze ones from FR tende to write en frenglish

2

Ave

hm

oki

GDPR

00:28

the only differences between their "Enterprise" line (really their premiere line) and Kimsufi/SoYouStart are -
1. some Kimsufi/SYS servers don't have IPMI or KVM over IP without paying a *hideous* amount per month to get one connected to the server
2. Enterprise servers all come with the ability to spend money on a *one-time* purchase of a fairly large IPv4 block, not sure what the biggest one is but I have two /27s - no recurring monthly cost and the up-front isn't too bad. Other servers allow you to buy IPs but the cost is ongoing

other than that, they're all hosted in the same DCs with the same basic stability and such

Bob

00:44

@GDPR and they always automatically credit you if they go over their SLA from a major incident

I think I've had 3 incidents which translated to 3 months credit

@GDPR $25/month on Azure gives you IIRC 768 MB RAM on like 0.5 CPU units (practically, one shared core of a decent Xeon currently, which is fine. it used to be some old Opteron, which was not fine.)

So basically the AWS tiny

Journeyman Geek

facebook.com/JungleVT/videos/2555670174574809

@Bob so going down is a good thing? ;p

Bob

@GDPR I'm not sure how much of a statement about Delimiter support you can make from that.

It could be that it's always awful.

Or it could be that they have like one guy supporting all the Westmere cheapo servers.

Because it'd cost them more than they'd earn to pay the salary of two techs :P

@JourneymanGeek Sure, I didn't reaaaaally need the 100% uptime so like 3x 6-8h down over 3-4 years for ~$250 credit works out for me :P

Journeyman Geek

lol

Bob

though it did end up confusing/annoying when it was down

Journeyman Geek

funny thing is?

I probably wouldn't care if my public websites went down

ttrss and synapse not working though....

GDPR

00:53

@JourneymanGeek we should all have backup accounts on eachothers' homeservers :P

[email protected]

ADHD Cat

And replicate them all across at least two sites?

AKA basically... cloud

GDPR

@ADHDCat I don't think Matrix currently supports user account replication at all

user accounts exist within Matrix's DB (sqlite or postgres are the two big supported ones) for the homeserver you login to

Bob

01:17

> Customers like this scare me.

(The customer liaison never revealed the name of the customer, but I did learn that they develop anti-malware software. So now I'm even more scared. ...)

blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20180615-00/?p=99025

Journeyman Geek

In theory you can hot replicate postgres

GDPR

> Code in italics is wrong. ...
(proceeds to italicize *the entire program*)

Bob

@GDPR :D

Journeyman Geek

02:22

"Everything you have just written is wrong"

ADHD Cat

m

Journeyman Geek

02:42

engadget.com/2018/06/17/…

._.

Bob

02:59

@JourneymanGeek violent and clueless, what a combination

Journeyman Geek

quite

Michael Frank

03:26

Wait... armed web domain robbery?

Journeyman Geek

Yup!

Michael Frank

whois guard ftw?

Bob

3

Q: I removed 2; 3way electrical switches they don’t work now

The first picture is the switch that is wired to electrical panel

wiring

In my experience, electrical switches never work after you remove them. Did you remove and put them back? Did you replace them with new switches? Please describe what you did or else you are going to get useless answers based on wild guesses. — A. I. Breveleri 9 hours ago

I removed 2 taps from my bathroom sink and now I can't wash my hands. — immibis 1 hour ago

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelFrank this is not a situation I considered

I was more worried about angry users swatting me or sending me lots of pizza

> This makes 3-ways a lot easier to deal with.

Bob

1

Q: If you are incapacitated, can you move?

The incapacitated condition states that An incapacitated creature can’t take actions or reactions. Does that effect movement though? Moving is not an action (at least not in 5e).

dnd-5e movement conditions

s/incapacitated/uncounscious/ for more funnies

Journeyman Geek

03:39

technically?

Sleepwalking

ADHD Cat

05:23

Goddammit how long does Xenserver take to time out a read error

ffs

Been waiting ten minutes on these bloody retries

Speaking of which, where the heck is the "Abort this I/O and stop retrying" button

Grr I can't even just overwrite the sector with zeros to force reallocation because the retries are filling the command queue

Guess this is what happens when you have four levels of abstraction on top of your disk I/O. Grrrrrr. Not what I wanted to deal with right before bed.

Journeyman Geek

go to sleep then

it'll still be borked when you wake up

3

Andy K

07:08

morning

Journeyman Geek

07:58

hi

djsmiley2k

08:10

Sup

djsmiley2k

08:25

yawn

my superiour isn't in again, unlikely to be in til wed at the earliest.

Burgi

morning

djsmiley2k

morning @Burgi

Hottest day of the year expected tomorrow

wooo, expect storms ;D

GDPR

08:44

0

Q: Convert existing system to dynamic disk safely

I have a Windows 10 Pro v1803 box with two NVMe SSDs (INTEL SSDPE2MX450G7). The OS is installed on the first disk and boots (only) in UEFI mode. I want to convert to Dynamic Disks and mirror the first drive to the second. Will Windows automatically adjust the EFI boot data in NVRAM to ensure th...

windows-10 dynamic-disk

ADHD Cat

08:57

@GDPR I'm pretty sure it will, it shows the same warning on non-EFI systems and it works fine

If the second disk is empty you could mirror it with dd and try it out risk-free

GDPR

09:32

@ADHDCat we don't have out-of-band on this box

rahuldottech

09:44

Hello!

djsmiley2k

facking FTP. I haaaaaaaaate t

it*

bertieb

10:34

Did someone say tags? I'm pretty sure someone said tags

(Have edited, question looked like this: linky)

Bob

10:50

@djsmiley2k SFTP is betterererererer

djsmiley2k

11:05

@Bob amen

but this is a payment provider

so why bother with better security?

'just download this binary here, don't checksum it'.

(true story)

hmmm, I never did get the text from Riot :/

or. matrix

or whatever it's coming from (is it from @bob's homeserver?)

Burgi

i saw solo yesterday

its meh

not as bad as TLJ, not as good as ROTS

djsmiley2k

tbh i find all of star wars a bit meh lol

Burgi

HEATHEN!

djsmiley2k

hehe

Bob

11:41

@djsmiley2k wha?

unless you're hitting riot.vulpin.com or matrix.vulpin.com, that has nothing to do with me :P

roota.cc is run by @GDPR

djsmiley2k

12:08

Oh, sorry

someone told me to use their homeserver, I don't remmeber who ;D

Prob was @GDPR - so.... wakey wakey, Is text messaging broken?

/me isn't sure where the messages originate etc.

I'm guessing text messaging for the home server isn't evne abled

or it's borked some how ;D

Burgi

12:39

lego selfies

That Brazilian Guy

13:24

Hmm... Is SU the best fit for this question here?

0

Q: Is there a way to trigger Jenkins once Docker Hub is done building my image?

I would like to create an automatic deployment system that starts when I push my code to my Github repository. I've read online that I can link my Github account to my DockerHub one, and that DockerHub would handle buildng images once some code has been pushed to a given repository. I've also r...

docker github deployment jenkins

Sounds marginally more of a SO thing to me

Or maybe (shudder) SF?

bertieb

> We need more information to assess your entitlement. Please check your Notifications for further information.

> Notifications
You have no notifications

wat

(this from the 28-day ~~turnaround~~ scratch that, "we hope to reply within" organisation)

djsmiley2k

13:44

@ThatBrazilianGuy depends if professional programmer or enthusiast it seems.

@bertieb no moneys for you

bertieb

@djsmiley2k So it would seem! D:

djsmiley2k

13:54

@ThatBrazilianGuy dear god

oh man, fuwindowsfu.

in the windows proxy exception list, if you don't put a protocol, it doesn't exclude anything for the IP address, it presumes you mean http

so ftp, https, etc still go via the proxy server.

>_<

That Brazilian Guy

14:18

@djsmiley2k smbc is great

djsmiley2k

14:29

yah

Burgi

14:43

i just had a thought about that comic

how does the solar calculator keep functioning at night?

did it fall face up near a very bright street light?

am i reading too much into this?

Journeyman Geek

yes

Andy K

15:24

see ya

Ramhound

15:47

superuser.com/questions/1225151/… is a fake technical support scam spam. Anyone free to flag it I encourage you to do so.

( i hate fake technical support scams )

bwDraco

16:03

@Ramhound That does sound a bit pushy - the "I encourage you to do so" is unnecessary, as simply notating it as spam is enough.

The "I" in this context makes this more personal than necessary. It feels like you're pressuring others to do this.

In any case, flagged.

Just trying to help because I see a lot of complaints that you're rude. It may not be your intention, but your wording can appear too strong at times, so learning to use softer language can help.

Even "please flag" would be more polite.

GDPR

0

A: Convert existing system to dynamic disk safely

This message prompt is a bit unclear because it may scare you into thinking that your system is going to be non-bootable. The critical part of the message that really explains why you don't necessarily need to worry is the bit in parentheses: (except the current boot volume). What Windows actual...

Journeyman Geek

hah

Ramhound

Can a moderator delete my previous messages?

Journeyman Geek

I go flagsplz

Ramhound

So I don't get flagged

Journeyman Geek

16:16

I don't see anything wrong with what ramhound said and how he said it though

ugh. Can we stop being paranoid about flags? ;p

GDPR

Yes, yes we can. It's called Matrix :D

Ramhound

If it wasn't for the fact I hate technical support scam I wouldn't have even brought it to the attention of the room.

bwDraco

I'm not against posting this in general, it's that you were using overly pushy wording. You only need to say "flag please, tech support scam" or something like that to get people to flag it.

Your message was not flaggable content; I was just trying to steer you in the right direction.

Journeyman Geek

lol

@GDPR oh there's some stuff that belongs there ;p

@bwDraco you're being pushy about that tho

GDPR

!!learn nollamano <>https://i.imgur.com/AmF26Ft.gif

ChatBot John Cavil

16:24

@GDPR Command nollamano learned

bwDraco

My concern is the number of complaints Ramhound draws. I have no reason to believe that he's acting in bad faith, but the language he sometimes uses is stronger than necessary.

Journeyman Geek

0_0

@bwDraco true but it dosen't help if we're getting on his case about stuff that seems ok

GDPR

ugh, feels. My late best friend (Type 1 Diabetes got him) LOVED that skit from asdfmovie ^^ (the "No, llama, NOOOOO!!!!" "Meaaaaaaaagh!" boom)

bwDraco

lol

GDPR

James <3 great C# hacker (self-taught)

djsmiley2k

16:38

@Ramhound carry on

Journeyman Geek

@GDPR :(

XKCD

Can you stop glaring at me like that? It makes me feel really ironic.

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That Brazilian Guy

17:43

Hey, what does it mean when git says "mode change 100644 => 100755"?

What does the "100" means?

Everything I google gives me three bytes of permissions

Well, maybe four:

> There are four OCTAL (0..7) digits, which control the file permissions. But often, only three are used. If you use 600 it equals 0600. The missing digit is appended at the beginning of the number.

That Brazilian Guy

18:02

Well, I wrote a question:

0

Q: File permission with six bytes in git. What does it mean?

I performed a git commit command and it gave me the following reply: 7 files changed, 93 insertions(+), 15 deletions(-) mode change 100644 => 100755 assets/internal/fonts/icomoon.svg mode change 100644 => 100755 assets/internal/fonts/icomoon.ttf mode change 100644 => 100755 assets/internal/fonts...

permissions git

djsmiley2k

18:12

Anyone wanna send 2.0 around the village on a shire horse?!

facebook.com/allesleyfestival/photos/…

I can't afford it, but she'd love it lol

DavidPostill

@djsmiley2k 2.0? I though it was 1.1 and 1.2 ... ;)

djsmiley2k

nah 2.0 and 2.1

DavidPostill

Ah

Ben N

Well that's terrifying

bertieb

Why terrifying?

djsmiley2k

18:27

twitch.tv/djsmiley2k

Here goes

bertieb

The thought that all the bank's online presence is run off that laptop?

djsmiley2k

The thought that person is logging in while the screen is turned off.

Ben N

The "if you do not see all of your accounts when you log in please call your local branch"

djsmiley2k

!!s/please call your local branch/we nomnomnom your monies./

ChatBot John Cavil

@djsmiley2k The "if you do not see all of your accounts when you log in we nomnomnom your monies." (source)

Ben N

18:29

Apparently it's possible for some accounts to get not/wrongly associated with people?

djsmiley2k

That's nothing

My wife has a debit card that crashes the banks computers

:D

Ben N

D:

djsmiley2k

It also crashes the information kiosk where you can print statements too.

bertieb

There's probably a whole buncha people who would be very interested in that card

@djsmiley2k Dark banking theme, innit :D

djsmiley2k

;)

it's something to do with the fact she had two different student accounts, at the same time, which you really weren't meant to be able to do

lol ok, that was weird, enemy turned invisible

djsmiley2k

19:08

twitch.tv/popout/djsmiley2k

Canadian Luke

2

Ave

19:21

Ctrl+Alt+Del...

I have the boxed CAD comic DVD set

bwDraco

19:49

Nov 28 '17 at 8:27, by djsmiley2k

@Bob my wife had a card which would crash all the banks 'account management machines'

Hakase

20:10

@BenN I've worked in banking software dev, it's all very normal and you have paid people on the job to fix it when it happens

btw one cool trick to avoid errors when parsing xls files is to tell the users you don't support ms office 2003 anymore and it's been literally 15 years, and force them to save as xlsx

Burgi

evening

i heard some screams earlier

so either someone was murdered or england won at sportsball

2

Journeyman Geek

20:45

Most enterprise software is horrible :p

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That Brazilian Guy

21:06

Most open-source software is horrible

Most proprietary software is horrible

Software is horrible \o/

bwDraco

21:25

@Burgi lol @ "sportsball"

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