Root Access

That Brazilian Guy

11:05

@bertieb How's your hand?

bertieb

@ThatBrazilianGuy Hand is not bad thanks :) Going to wound clinic in an hour or so to have rest of stitches taken out

Then in a few weeks will have the pins taken out

That Brazilian Guy

How are you even typing now? Using the non-dominant hand?

bertieb

11:25

Both hands, but only the three uninjured ones on right (mostly ring finger at that)

I could type with the other two, but the issue would be accuracy (the pins mean I hit other keys)

Nothing stopping me from trying tho!

allquixotic

@Bob @JourneymanGeek On Matrix: #rootaccess:roota.cc :P

feel free to federate to roota.cc:8448 (not sure if you have to explicitly do it or if joining it from your own homeserver would work)

Journeyman Geek

The latter will work m

My home server needs setting up tho :p

djsmiley2k

@bertieb ah

i shouldn't tell you how a doctor left a stitch in my neck then

and I cut it out myself?

allquixotic

those of you who don't want to set up a home server can go to riot.im/app and sign in with a new account on the default matrix.org server, then join the room under "Room Directory" (paste in #rootaccess:roota.cc)

bertieb

@djsmiley2k Jings :-\

Don't nurses normally take stitches out?

And (dare I ask) why did you have a stitch in your neck?

@allquixotic Matrix also seem accessible by weechat? I am intrigued and wish to subscribe to that newsletter

Journeyman Geek

11:39

There's a plug-in

allquixotic

weechat, but not wechat :P

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic heh. Might be a bit. I might get it set up later if work is quiet.

ToxicFrog

Highly recommend weechat

Journeyman Geek

I've been putting it off a bit sooooo no time like the present unless I have another day like Sunday

djsmiley2k

@bertieb photo incoming! ;D

allquixotic

11:43

it was a little frustrating, but not all that terrible, on Ubuntu 18.04

ToxicFrog

(also highly recommend having your own server in general, it's handy)

bertieb

@allquixotic Aye, it's the IRC client I use. WeChat is some social network messaging thing? IDK, it's probably what the cool kids are using these days :P

Journeyman Geek

@ToxicFrog not everyone has their own server

djsmiley2k

I had a sub...something cist

bertieb

Thyroglossal cyst?

Journeyman Geek

11:44

@bertieb mostly in China. Also acts as a payment system

djsmiley2k

on my neck, it got annoying due to rubbing on shirt collar

bertieb

Submental cyst? Submandibular?

@JourneymanGeek Ahhh

djsmiley2k

@bertieb nah, this was just under the skin

Journeyman Geek

Subdermal?

djsmiley2k

yah that sounds right

anyway, they took it out

stitched me up, etc.

allquixotic

11:46

no oneboxed pics please

medical stuff is a little disturbing to me :P

Journeyman Geek

Lol

Burgi

so of the 3 tech tests i've received today

djsmiley2k

photos.app.goo.gl/CxQ6ZrWGHVvb7DtE3

That's just the scar

Burgi

none of them are 100%

@djsmiley2k looks like a chinese character

djsmiley2k

yah

Burgi

11:49

not sure if scar or chavvy tattoo....

Bob

@allquixotic I haven't gotten mine set up yet

djsmiley2k

photos.app.goo.gl/AwzWQR47NqiJ8hKV8

with stitches.

allquixotic

!!define chavvy

ChatBot John Cavil

@allquixotic [chavvy](http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki?curid=178962) Of or pertaining to a chav or something that a chav might do or use.
Look at that chavvy top she's wearing! It's dreadful!

allquixotic

maybe if we try this awhile and everyone likes it, we can stick it in the room title :P not as "go here instead of here" but "go here if you want to hang out with us OoB"

it isn't a thing that requires invites, so should be good

Journeyman Geek

11:58

Quite

djsmiley2k

@allquixotic trying to figure out how I'll connect

github.com/tdfischer/pto

might have to use this

I don't want another web page open :/

ToxicFrog

@JourneymanGeek I realize that, but if it's an option, it's useful.

bertieb

@djsmiley2k There's rambox as a communication consolidator, but I haven't used it yet; and I can't see the matrix logo

Ah, appointment soon, must dash!

allquixotic

12:14

I must dash too

djsmiley2k

@bertieb at work

so no new app either

so it's either via se chat, via irssi (irc client).

I may just install the IRC bridge on my home PC and try that.

Bob

@allquixotic remind me to set up server/register ... uhh... in a week :P

I'm trying to limit myself to one project at a time

(which will inevitably fail)

I'm also running out of Greek deities to name my servers :P

RogUE

@Bob There's Norse mythology to try.....

Bob

@RogUE I have that pantheon reserved for containers on a different server

djsmiley2k

:d

running out of greek deities?!

Bob

12:28

gaia hosts the greek containers; yggdrasil hosts the norse ones; amaterasu hosts the japanese ones

djsmiley2k

Nice. :)

Not Vahalla?

hopefully i'm about ot learn something

Bob

@djsmiley2k ...didn't even think of it

Burgi

what about roman ones?

RogUE

@Bob What about Vedic mythology? bit difficult to pronounce the names though :p

Burgi

or hindu gods?

RogUE

12:34

@Burgi That's what I said. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vedic_mythology

Burgi

ah sorry

RogUE

@Burgi like I said, might be difficult to pronounce the names.

Bob

@RogUE considered it before, but didn't feel like it at the time

I don't know much about the mythology :P

Burgi

name the servers after planets in starwars

Bob

@Burgi I've already started naming a set (the local ones, actually) after gods and characters from mass effect :P

RogUE

12:43

I hope you have exhausted the DC and Marvel comics characters as well.

Bob

I don't have that many...

also, those don't make for good names :P

Burgi

also too much cross-over

"thor needs a reboot"

djsmiley2k

:D

allquixotic

@Bob don't forget to set up server/register in a week!

Bob

@allquixotic lol

fine fine I'll do it now :P

hm, I need some music

djsmiley2k

12:52

:D

you're not working hard enough if you're able to do it now.

I don't care if it's the middle of the night there!

Bob

> 10:53 PM

root@gaia:~# uptime
 12:53:35 up 160 days, 13:31,  1 user,  load average: 0.11, 0.17, 0.16

whoops

110 packages can be upgraded.

crap

I'm 2 kernel updates behind lol

Burgi

Oddest Ars Technica Article Ever (sort of NSFW)

Journeyman Geek

lol

rofl

@RogUE the god naming convention @Bob uses was kinda my fault

Bob

lol. yep!

Journeyman Geek

mostly greco roman for me (I don't want to use indian ones) - though my main dedi is bast...

Bob

13:03

I should reboot this machine...

Journeyman Geek

lets see nyx, athena, artemis, theia,phoebe bast.There's often a clocanina as well

Burgi

these are celestial bodies!

Bob

ok gonna reboot

*crosses fingers*

root@gaia:~# reboot

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────

Session stopped
    - Press <return> to exit tab
    - Press R to restart session
    - Press S to save terminal output to file

Server unexpectedly closed network connection

I still need to migrate my VMs to containers sometime

and we're alive!

Linux gaia 4.9.0-6-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.88-1+deb9u1 (2018-05-07) x86_64

> Pistis (Πίστις), spirit of trust, honesty, and good faith

I swear there's far more spirits of Death, Doom and Destruction than anything positive :P

@JourneymanGeek help which one fits a matrix server :P

Journeyman Geek

lol

the postgres conversion is failijg

hmm

they're greeks. They had too much booze and lead poisoning

Bob

@JourneymanGeek wasn't that the romans?

> Erato (Ερατώ), muse of lyric poetry

that might work

I already have two muses...

Creating erato
Starting erato

Journeyman Geek

13:25

hm

my install seems borked

lemme try updating it, since its really old

then just seeing if I can do it from scratch

Bob

Bode Vocoder For Sale on Ebay

►

Journeyman Geek

ugh

going to try reinstalling

I don't remember where anything is

RogUE

14:29

@Bob Who's Gaia?

Journeyman Geek

ugh.

@allquixotic running matrix now

I cannot for the life of me work out how to join a room

hm

#rootaccess:roota.cc does not exist.
>_>

allquixotic

15:01

@JourneymanGeek what email did you sign up with? I'll invite you

That apparently happens "spuriously"

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic @geek:chat.lupinenet.com

federation works (tested it against matrix.org)

Bob

@allquixotic did you install from source or from package?

allquixotic

Package

Docker actually

Journeyman Geek

rofl

each of us did it differently

allquixotic

Ok I invited your matrix id

I'm @allquixotic:roota.cc

Bob

15:09

soooooooooooooo

I installed synapse

I should have installed matrix-synapse

whoops

synapse is some weird gtk thing

jokerdino

synapse?

that's some kind of file indexer I think

bertieb

Welp, there was a shooting in my neighbourhood yesterday evening apparently

jokerdino

:/

bertieb

(They missed, fortunately)

allquixotic

Oh no @bertieb

bertieb

15:11

Seems like there's been a lot of them recently

Well, comparatively

Like 3 in the city

allquixotic

But thank goodness for XCOM rolls

bertieb

Which is a lot

allquixotic

@Bob use docker-compose :D

bertieb

@allquixotic Hah! If you read the description it really does seem like a "95% = miss" thing

allquixotic

See contrib/docker

bertieb

15:12

bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-44196977

Bob

github.com/matrix-org/synapse/issues/2865

gah

@allquixotic I'll be doing a proper deb package install :P

bertieb

> Police said another car pulled up beside him in Kingsway Court at about 18:30 on Sunday and the occupants of the car discharged a firearm, narrowly missing him.

allquixotic

Lame. Docker is good once you get the hang of it

Bob

root@erato:~# systemctl enable matrix-synapse
Synchronizing state of matrix-synapse.service with SysV service script with /lib/systemd/systemd-sysv-install.
Executing: /lib/systemd/systemd-sysv-install enable matrix-synapse

allquixotic

Though I did end up using nginx on my "bare" lxd container

Bob

15:13

@allquixotic I don't feel like testing my luck with docker-on-debian-on-lxd-on-debian

Faheem Mitha

General question about mobile phones. I don't know what part of the phone handles networking, but is it particularly prone to failure? The reason I ask is that it seems to have failed in one of my phones.

Bob

also I detest docker's syntax

used it to set up guacamole

never again.

Faheem Mitha

Regular computer network cards last practically forever, so it's a little puzzling.

allquixotic

Docker on ubuntu 18.04 on lxd on ubuntu 18.04 is great

@FaheemMitha the wifi and LTE chips and antennae are generally separate - are both broken for you or just one?

Faheem Mitha

@allquixotic Dunno. I can't connect to the mobile network very well. It sort of occasionally works. Very slowly.

allquixotic

15:15

@FaheemMitha and your wifi is fine or not?

Faheem Mitha

No idea what piece is at fault. I'll probably buy another phone soon - then I'll try to see if it can be repaired.

@allquixotic Oh. Yes, wifi works, I think. It's the actual mobile phone network.

allquixotic

Could be antenna or cellular baseband or separate LTE chip or some PWM failure, or just software

Faheem Mitha

@allquixotic Lots of possibilities. But is this a common issue?

allquixotic

Unless it's an iPhone (6 or newer) it probably won't be repaired because it's not worth the cost

Faheem Mitha

@allquixotic It isn't. It's an Asus Zenfone 2.

allquixotic

15:17

@FaheemMitha depends on the phone, but board level issues are usually due to dust, impact or water damage

Faheem Mitha

But stuff in India isn't that expensive to repair.

jokerdino

@FaheemMitha what up

Faheem Mitha

Depends on the parts, I suppose.

@jokerdino Hi.

allquixotic

Check out iPad Rehab's videos on YouTube

Good stuff for understanding all that

Faheem Mitha

@allquixotic Any particular one?

@allquixotic ok. All what? Networking on phones?

XKCD

15:31

Support your local paper, unless it's just been bought by some sinister hedge fund or something, which it probably has.

allquixotic

@FaheemMitha common repair issues and such, like the causes of most issues

And how to find and fix them

Faheem Mitha

@allquixotic Ok. I usually outsource such things.

allquixotic

Right but it's good to be aware of it

djsmiley2k

ok, whos' an expert, on DHCP?

because what I just experienced doesn't make sense to me

(annoyingly wireshark is only showing me half the dhcp convo because reasons).

Firstly, after a dhcp server recieves DHCP Request which comes via a broadcast, how does it respond?

is it also via a broadcast?

@XKCD Fact checking, didn't always happen then, definitely doesn't always happen now.

Bob

15:53

ok

now I need to figure out how to connect to @allquixotic :P

Journeyman Geek

@Bob oh I think you just type the room name/address into the room directory thing

Bob

> #rootaccess:roota.cc does not exist.

Journeyman Geek

I'd check but the room was invite only so it didn't turn up

Bob

:(

Journeyman Geek

lol

@allquixotic could I have admin rights please? ;p

I think we need to set up a few more things ;p

Bob

15:56

I have no idea if federation works :P

Journeyman Geek

see if you can message me

Bob

uhhhh

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic apparently you need to set a room address

Bob

... how do I message you? :P

Journeyman Geek

or gimme your username ;p

click on start chat?

djsmiley2k

16:53

/me ponders what this stuff is

Journeyman Geek

oh matrix/synapse

What @allquixotic was talking about earlier

more or less a chat server system designed for people to run their own servers and federate

matrix.org/blog/2018/04/26/…

allquixotic

17:12

@Bob join #rootaccess:roota.cc - it's no longer invite only

Bob

@allquixotic still does not exist

Circus Cat

17:32

@bertieb That's how it worked for the previous days, when there were multiple prizes. (5x Prize X = 5 drawings, 10x prize Y = 10 drawings). It says there's 10 drawings today (15,000 entries each) which is what makes me wonder if today's prize was supposed to be 10x but they made a typo.

Actually no, I'm wrong. Never mind.

Shrug. Costs me nothing to enter.

allquixotic

18:40

@CircusCat nom

RA [Matrix] OoB chat: #ra:roota.cc All welcome!

5

djsmiley2k

ok i'm still confused as to teh steps.

riot.im is a hosted site I can get access via?

Journeyman Geek

hmm

allquixotic

Yes you can use riot - see the second link in the pin

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k its a public server you can use to log ito the char

chat

Burgi

i will staunchly remain here being grumpy and rude to all-comers

3

Canadian Luke

18:53

We're breaking off?

djsmiley2k

@CanadianLuke nope

we just wanted a 'back up plan'

btw was there another 'blog' post?

Canadian Luke

.... OK

djsmiley2k

as things seem to esclate randomly.

Canadian Luke

What are you talking about?

Circus Cat

@rahuldottech I don't think alcohol was ever "meant" to be drunk but most of the world seems to enjy doing it

allquixotic

19:04

@CanadianLuke Someone troll-flags some message and then mods start rolling in and killing entire swaths of conversation and ~~demanding~~ asking everyone to change the subject - it really feels heavy handed, like a cop escalating against someone for crying out "owww!" for being struck by a billy club :P

Canadian Luke

What?!?

allquixotic

It's been worse since the blog post

So we needed a backup :P

Canadian Luke

Which blog post??

Circus Cat

Which blog post??

Canadian Luke

I feel like I'm learning about all these actions and events just now

allquixotic

19:09

Stack Overflow Isn’t Very Welcoming. It’s Time for That to Change.

Jay Hanlon on April 26, 2018

Let’s start with the painful truth:

Too many people experience Stack Overflow¹ as a hostile or elitist place, especially newer coders, women, people of color, and others in marginalized groups.

Our employees and community have cared about this for a long time, but we’ve struggled to talk about it publicly or to sufficiently prioritize it in recent years. And results matter more than intentions.

Now, that’s not because most Stack Overflow contributors are hostile jerks. The majority of them are generous and kind. Sure, a few are… just generous, I guess? But our active users regularly express thei …

I totally support that blog post but not what has come of it for chat

Canadian Luke

So how about creating a new chat room for Super User on SE? Keep this one as the main one for the site, and have the second as a "non-official" room?

Circus Cat

Ah

Canadian Luke

What about Discord?

allquixotic

They seem to be imposing similar / identical rules in non official rooms like JS as they do in official rooms like RA

And the flag system is still awful

Canadian Luke

Or Slack?

allquixotic

19:15

@CanadianLuke well we already have Gitter but I think we wanted something decentralized and closer to IRC. Decentralized so they don't complain to me when my server is down

Canadian Luke

Or Gittermost?

... Riot isn't letting me sign up either. It won't send my auth code to my phone

allquixotic

There are a lot of messenger apps out there with centralized servers but this one seemed to be a cut above the rest - E2E encryption option is nice

@CanadianLuke I used an email address and no phone number and it worked

Canadian Luke

Hmm

allquixotic

Plus part of it was just that we wanted to stand up a (series of) servers for ourselves as a fun project, and now that we have them, we might as well use them

As long as at least one homeserver is up, it'll continue to work, even if my server goes down

And we have 3 so far

No permissions needed to federate it to another homeserver

bwDraco

...and just dusted out the desktop again.

djsmiley2k

19:22

bwDraco

It'll be trickier in the summer months as higher temperatures beget higher fan speeds and thereby more dust ingestion.

Keeping PCs clean is tricky.

djsmiley2k

@bwDraco live in a clean room?

bwDraco

Sadly, the room isn't all that clean. It's carpeted. Hopefully, replacement of the carpet with hardwood flooring will help (this is planned within the next few months).

bertieb

Agh, dust gets everywhere

bwDraco

I use this thing: newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16896367002

The liquid cooler radiator is the trickiest part to properly dust.

Canadian Luke

19:28

@bwDraco That's called the Hurricane-in-a-can

djsmiley2k

well thius thing isimply doesn't work :/

CORS request rejected: https://matrix.org/_matrix/client/r0/register?

FreezePhoenix

o/

bertieb

\o

djsmiley2k

o/

bwDraco

\o/

o

FreezePhoenix

19:32

\\o//

Journeyman Geek

o0

@djsmiley2k try again?

allquixotic

@djsmiley2k try again later, or register again but pick custom server at the bottom and put in roota.cc (so you get a direct connection rather than federated through matrix.org)

djsmiley2k

ewhtu

what u do?

D:

I should run my own home-server

cept I can't find a gentoo package for it atm

allquixotic

If it doesn't work reliably via matrix.org it's because matrix.org is a cluster of fairly unreliable systems IMHO

Journeyman Geek

lol

allquixotic

19:35

@djsmiley2k github.com/matrix-org/synapse/blob/master/contrib/docker/…

djsmiley2k

wiki.kronoz.guru/howto/synapse

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k i installed it from pip

djsmiley2k

@JourneymanGeek nod

Journeyman Geek

though I'm stuck with sqlite for now

djsmiley2k

I errr

think this thing is total uselessless?

Canadian Luke

19:38

Probably :P

But I got enough Linux servers that I could probably take over the Canadian hosting side of things :P lol

djsmiley2k

can we just do IRC plz D:

Canadian Luke

IRC is blocked at my work

Journeyman Geek

lol

djsmiley2k

:O

but here isn't @CanadianLuke?

I can run a web irc client for you.

Journeyman Geek

we could probably throw in an IRC bridge at some point

Canadian Luke

19:39

@djsmiley2k No, cause it's the Stack Exchange network :P

djsmiley2k

@JourneymanGeek I haven't seen any that tie to an actual server.

@CanadianLuke your it is terriblew

if they can't make the distinction between chat.stackexchange.com, and everythingelse.stackexchange.com

Canadian Luke

@djsmiley2k We don't push the other techs to do things that block us. It's mainly when the ministry demands certain things get blocked

Option two - a single .txt file that we have to SSH into a random server to view/edit :-P

But seriously, why not something like Discord or Slack?

djsmiley2k

@CanadianLuke Dunno :/

IRC is fun tho

Canadian Luke

It was

bertieb

!!s/was/is/

ChatBot John Cavil

19:42

@bertieb It is (source)

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k IRC dosen't have persistance

djsmiley2k

it does if you 8do it right xD

I'll bloody run a log bot and log everything for you :P

I just, this is rather overly complicated for something that was meant to be really simple

hell, ##rootaccess on freenode, or #rootaccess on quakenet or something, sorted.

it was just meant to be a way of me talking to you guys if things went bad.

bertieb

@djsmiley2k Doesn't involve people setting up servers tho :P

Journeyman Geek

weeeeellll

I half suspect that's part of the point

bertieb

Also something something something Freenode spam, something something something life support (?)

djsmiley2k

19:50

:D

Journeyman Geek

tbh

djsmiley2k

@bertieb nope, just applications which appear to not work :/

Journeyman Geek

there's very little stopping someone from running their own irc server

djsmiley2k

Yah I could do that :D

Journeyman Geek

and hook it into matrix? ;p github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc/blob/master/…

bertieb

19:51

why... why does this server only have a downlink speed of ~50 kBps

something's screwy

djsmiley2k

lol

so i signed up and it tells me my password in incorrect, then goes through

Still can't find the room tho lol

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