Root Access

Nick

17:00

@DavidPostill Ohk, you caught me. I wanted to tweet this and couldn't find a proper compare image. Prolly going to tweet the merger one.

bertieb

Want a proper compare? I can find more similar images

Gerold Broser

Hi all

@DavidPostill Do you mind if I make (y)our recent PMs public? And, if you do, is it a legal issue if a do so with just mine?

bertieb

@Nick ^^ actually kinda makes sense-ish now

But still not really :P

Nick

@bertieb again, compare, not a merge but fuck, that's trippy :D

bertieb

It is a compare, insofar as I could

I'll see if the imagemagick's compare works any better now

It was silently erroring before, presumably as difference was too large (across RMSE, AE, etc)

Hmm, could align them better in gimp and then compare

heads down the rabbit hole

Gerold Broser

17:13

Q: can I see the time of a certain chat post or is there just the time shown at posts here and there?

I see "posted NNm ago" in their drop-down menus but is there the absolute time somewhere?

DavidPostill

@GeroldBroser Are you referring to the mod message? It's up to you. They are intended to be private but we can't stop you making them public.

bertieb

0_o

Gerold Broser

@DavidPostill yes I am. Do I have to conform to "_user contributions licensed under cc by-sa 3.0 with attribution required_"?
a) when doing so on an SE page (not sure, since the rightholder is probably the same: Stack Exchange)
b) when doing so on an SE-external place (most probably yes, due to the license)

DavidPostill

@GeroldBroser Hmm. I don't know. Let me run it past the other mods. Where are you thinking of posting it and why?

bertieb

@Nick ^^ more what you're looking for? Managed to coerce compare eventually

Nick

17:27

@bertieb Amazing. This a work of art.

Gerold Broser

@DavidPostill Why? This was not the only uncomfortable situation I experienced during the last few days...on a few SE sites (SO.DOC, stackapps, SU, physics). I'm not convinced that it was/is always me to blame at these occasions. I had a longer talk with another mod today and he agreed that sometimes some activities aren't really comprehensible, even impolite or rude. I'm thinking of putting my experiences on a meta site to see what a broader audience thinks about it.

bertieb

@Nick Thanks... can get different outputs with different -fuzz factors (heh) or -metrics depending on what you want

(I should probably stop spamming Zachard Gallimankis)

Last one because it looks quite evil:

Off to make din dins

Gerold Broser

afk 10

@DavidPostill For instance, posting a question in good faith and reading a comment calling it "a bunch of gibberish" short after doesn't conform to physics.stackexchange.com/help/be-nice , IMHO. (the comment has been deleted after I flagged it accordingly, but, anyway, it happened)

DavidPostill

17:47

@GeroldBroser This is not the place to comment about your experience on another site. Use the physics chat or their meta.

Gerold Broser

@DavidPostill I'm aware of that. You asked "Where ... and why?" I answered where and why. And I brought an example for the why.

DavidPostill

@GeroldBroser If you want to comment about multiple sites then the best place is meta.se.

Gerold Broser

18:14

/hide bertieb

Mokubai

@GeroldBroser Re: whether you have to conform to cc-by-SA 3.0... by creating an account you agreed to the site terms of service. Everything you need to know is in section 3 of the Terms of Service (Subscriber Content)

Gerold Broser

@Mokubai Thx for pointing me there. I'm aware of that I agreed to Stack Exchange Network Terms of Service. But, honestly, who reads terms of service...ever? :)

djsmiley2k

heh

@Mokubai I'd be interested to know how one could not confirm by it

Mokubai

@djsmiley2k Trying to apply your own licence and preventing people from using your solutions of supplied code, deleting content, or otherwise trying to restrict it or state that other places must be linked when attributing.... to name a few.

@GeroldBroser Uhhh. I read it once...

;)

djsmiley2k

but you can easily delete your own content anyway

Mokubai

18:22

No

You can't

djsmiley2k

yeah i guess you can claim it's otherwise licenced, but that wouldn't actually stand anyway...

Ben N

The community reserves the right to restore your content

djsmiley2k

sure

Mokubai

Unless there is a good reason, you shouldn't be deleting your submitted content

Gerold Broser

@Mokubai "I read it once..." – You, Sir, are a hero! ;)

Ben N

18:23

You may be dissociated from it, but you can't stop SE from keeping it public once you post it

djsmiley2k

wow

i just realised

slowly the internet is moving to a post licence world

slowly

and it may never get there either... but still, awesome

Gerold Broser

@Mokubai Does that mean it is pointless if I post code with GNU GPLv3 mentioned in an introductory code comment? Or are cc-by-SA 3.0 and GNU GPLv3 compatible in this respect?

Ben N

I don't believe you're allowed to post content with a license incompatible with CC-BY-SA

Gerold Broser

@djsmiley2k Isn't it rather "post-factual"?

Ben N

That is, you're saying by creating a post that the content is under CC-BY-SA

djsmiley2k

18:30

@GeroldBroser hum, not sure i follow

Mokubai

@GeroldBroser I don't know enough about GPL v3, but by posting it here you agree for it to be cc-by-SA and so GPLv3 is irrelevant. If you don't own said code then you shouldn't be submitting it

Rahul2001

There was a "sudo for windows" question linked her a while ago, wasn't there?

nvm, found it

Gerold Broser

@Mokubai I see. I'm going to clarify whether they are compatible somewhere else then.

Mokubai

Wasn't there something about SO being moved to a code "completely open" licence of some kind

djsmiley2k

wtfpl?

:D

Ben N

18:33

They said they were going to the MIT license but changed their mind once the community explained why to not

Mokubai

@GeroldBroser seems like something that would have been asked on meta.se or one of the lawyer.se or workplace.se sites

Gerold Broser

@djsmiley2k
You posted: "slowly the internet is moving to a post licence world"
I replied/asked – potentially rhetorically –: "Isn't it rather "post-factual"?"

@Mokubai I wasn't aware of that such existed. I think I'll take the lawyers then.

bertieb

@Mokubai Huh, so you can't change your mind about a contribution?

Let's go for a ridiculous example and say the SE Overlords to make money doing $abhorrent_thing; you can't say "actually, I don't want them profiting from my contributions under those circumstances, kthxbye" ?

Gerold Broser

@Mokubai
"The Q&A site lawyer.stackexchange.com doesn't seem to exist…yet."
"The Q&A site lawyers.stackexchange.com doesn't seem to exist…yet."
"The Q&A site legal.stackexchange.com doesn't seem to exist…yet."

bertieb

Gerold Broser

18:41

@Mokubai Got it. Simply law.stackexchange.com

Ben N

The help center says to not "ask questions seeking legal advice on a specific matter" - I'm not sure what the extent of that is

Mokubai

@bertieb No, you gave it to the site. You can leave it all behind, but you can't burn it down on your way out.

bertieb

Hmm, that seems... pretty one-sided

Mokubai

@bertieb You are free to not contribute...

Anyway, by far the people who get the most from your contributions should be the person you are answering or the people it helped after.

bertieb

That's not really a discourse-furthering option :P

Gerold Broser

18:44

@Mokubai There is the similar law.stackexchange.com/questions/14490/… since Oct 8, 2016 with no answer so far.

bertieb

I agree that the community likely benefits more than the overlords

Mokubai

@GeroldBroser I'd have a look on meta.stackexchange.com first TBH. Probably been asked there

bertieb

Thinking about it further, I suppose if a copyleft license gives anyone the right to copy (under the same provisions), it would necessarily give SE the same right

That said, presumably a person could delete their account so that they aren't associated with the content?

Mokubai

@bertieb Whenever I contribute, I do it knowing that if the day comes when I am completely disillusioned then I'll be doing nothing more than not logging in again. My content was given freely to help the people that it helped, and it stays there because SE makes it possible to stay there.

bertieb

Might look a bit bad "StackExchange, the QA site that kills puppies, content proudly provided by: ..."

Mokubai

18:49

@bertieb Yes. An account can be deleted and it will dissociate your posts

bertieb

@Mokubai Oh I do agree, contributions help the community, save people time, prevent reinventing the wheel etc; I am on board with that-- didn't mean to imply otherwise

Rahul2001

Took me 5 minutes to come up with this:

0

A: Is there a command which can elevate the Command Prompt in place?

I saw this question and came up with a simple solution. This is a tiny utility called rsudo, which runs escalated commands from a regular CMD window. Note: A UAC prompt will come up. Hiding this is not possible, that's just the way that UAC has been designed. Usage: rsudo.exe "[command]" D...

Gerold Broser

@Mokubai Good guess: "CC-BY-SA is incompatible with GNU"

https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/86581/273829

However, I can't tell how legally relevant this statement of a "theoretical computer scientist" is in fact.

bertieb

Being able to remove your name from it seems a reasonable compromise to make in case of sudden-and-dramatic-shift-in-corporate direction

Ben N

@Rahul2001 I thought the question specifically wanted the same process/window elevated :/

Rahul2001

18:52

@BenN oops. I missed that part.

djsmiley2k

@Rahul2001 is that not jsut the same as using runas /u:administrator cmd ?

Rahul2001

@djsmiley2k Hm, this doesn't require password if the admin account is logged in

Ben N

FWIW I wrote a PS script to force a remote thread to impersonate and even that does not appear to do the job

Mokubai

@bertieb I don't think there's anything stopping you from creating a new account after the old is deleted, so yeah, if you have a reason to need "a clean break" then that could be done...

Ben N

As the top answer has determined, the task is impossible

(well, not impossible, but you'd need a kernel-mode driver and an appetite for horrible hackery)

Mokubai

18:55

@GeroldBroser I vaguely remember someone mentioning that GPL is actually quite restrictive and in some ways at odds with a licence that states "go for it, just mention us"

Gerold Broser

@Mokubai OK, this one's better: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/60538/author-license-exception-to-cc-wiki/197302#197302

"You own the copyright to the content. By posting it on SF (or another SE site) you're agreeing to make it available under a CC-Wiki-with-attribution license. This is a non-exclusive license, and is not a reassignment of copyright."

"You are the author and you have the copyright. You can do with your work whatever you like. You decided to give it to Stack Overflow under a CC-Wiki license, but just because you licensed it to Stack Overflow, doesn't mean it's not …

bertieb

@Mokubai Yeah :)

Mokubai

@bertieb You'd have to be really sure though, because there's no going back afterwards.

Gerold Broser

@Mokubai But:

"Mixing CC-BY-SA-* with anything else is really problematic: for example, licence compatibility with things like the GNU GPL is an issue."

Seems to me that CC-BY-SA is the more restrictive of these two.

@Mokubai missed the time limit Please consider the last sentence as deleted...or changed to more problematic.

Mokubai

@GeroldBroser meta.stackexchange.com/questions/285711/… seems authoratative. They want to migrate to an MIT licence but;

> As such, the ToS hasn't been changed; your code on SO is still licensed under CC-BY-SA 3.0

@GeroldBroser Aye, it can be problematic, but I'd never use code I found here in the exact form I got it. I'd have read it, realised what it was doing and written in in my own way. Anything I contributed I would expect to be used in the same way.

Gerold Broser

19:08

@bertieb (Late) Thx, but I hide you...I have to wear glasses, right. But it's not that bad that there's a need for monitor- and eye-stressing extra bright colors. ;)

bertieb

@GeroldBroser No probs, I am done with the images anyhoo

Gerold Broser

@Mokubai That's how I do it, as well. But I'm 99.99...% sure that there are also heavy 1:1 C&Prs.

allquixotic

@GeroldBroser You aren't kidding! I know, like, 100 coworkers who literally write our line of business applications via copy and paste from SO

and if the exact situation they have isn't on SO but something similar, they don't use their brain; they ask a new question

Blankman, blankville

71.6k 212 584 962

ruby-on-rails java ruby c# asp.net scala python

6

Q: 50 question per month limit?

I get a message: Sorry, you are only allowed to ask 50 questions in a 30 day period Why is there a question limit? 50/month is just not enough :)

support questions rate-limiting monthly-question-limit

Gerold Broser

19:26

@allquixotic LOL. But kidding wasn't my intention at all. That's simply my perception over decades of developing and using the Internet.

@allquixotic Are you allowed to tell your company's name? Just in case... ;))

"1544 QUESTIONS??? wait... EIGHT ANSWERS?!?!?!?" Now, that's a ratio. Is there a golden badge for such?

Ben N

There is a Socratic badge for asking a boatload of well-received questions, but we're not really trying to reward asking only questions

allquixotic

@GeroldBroser actually Blankman has 2189 questions on StackOverflow

@GeroldBroser "You aren't kidding!" is an idiomatic expression where I come from that means "I agree!"

Gerold Broser

@allquixotic Thx for clarifying. Idioms are one of the hardest things in a foreign language...

allquixotic

he's still at it, too -- Blankman has been asking questions for 5 years on StackOverflow, and still has to ask mundane, extremely simple questions like this recent one:

0

Q: How to change indentation to 2 spaces?

How can I change indentation to always be 2 spaces? I go to View > Indentation > 2 But this only works for 1 file, and it seems to reset after opening/closing the app.

sublimetext3 sublimetext

he's the Jon Skeet of questions

and I bet he has multiple accounts and asks more than 50 questions per month using them @_@

Gerold Broser

@allquixotic But, well, he gathered 71+K reps this way. Does the rep system lack some...adaptions?

Journeyman Geek

19:43

well, there's always a few outliers

Gerold Broser

@allquixotic At times of ancient Internet such people were called Dauersauger 'Permanent suckers' here when it came to Internet connections with shared bandwith.

Journeyman Geek

SO is also strange

allquixotic

@GeroldBroser I think the sheer number of questions asked on Stack Overflow makes it easy for tons of questions to fall through the cracks; a sufficiently popular SE site becomes near impossible to manage

they have, what, dozens of diamond mods over there? and still can't cleave through the huge number of questions

SO has an overall quality problem, where awful questions are allowed to remain and great questions might get overlooked or roomba'ed

Journeyman Geek

Then again, there are a few outliers here too. None that bad

allquixotic

also, the topicality rules are: (1) It has to be related to IT; and/or (2) you have to get lucky that nobody who cares about topicality looks at your question

Gerold Broser

19:47

@allquixotic Unlucky me! One of mine didn't, recently. :( ..._fall through the cracks_) Givent that it was my first there...extremly unlucky.

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic I'm not entirely awake, but don't you mean programming?

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek no, I mean related to IT :P

Journeyman Geek

Do you mean on SU?

allquixotic

no, I mean on SO -- show me the ~500k questions that aren't about programming on SO getting closed and I might change my statement

Journeyman Geek

ah

Mokubai

19:51

@JourneymanGeek By "outlier" do you mean "people who probably have 'breathe in' written on their left hand and 'breathe out' written on their right" ?

Gerold Broser

@Mokubai What if they wear gloves?

allquixotic

then they're an intruthteller

Mokubai

@GeroldBroser Then I assume that they have inexplicable fainting spells

Journeyman Geek

@Mokubai people whose reputation dosen't reflect their actual engagement

Thats one class, yes.

Or people with high rep despite not having posted things in 5-6 years ;p

Gerold Broser

@Mokubai Is there an ICD-10 no. for that, too?

allquixotic

19:55

@Mokubai I parsed that as: spells (things you cast; Fireball; Lightning; Heal; etc.) that cause (themselves/others) to faint; and whose method of action is inexplicable

Gerold Broser

@allquixotic I had to use Google Translate...

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek ol' Billy Bob Hilsum the Beloved Help Vampire Who Never Visits Except To Ask For Help?

Gerold Broser

@allquixotic ...and it translated not your way :)

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic John T

allquixotic

Carmack? lol

Journeyman Geek

19:57

129K rep - above me and Wil. Last answer in 2011

Mokubai

@allquixotic Pretty sure in a game I once played there was an "inexplicable faint" spell that caused the castee to wake up confused a short while later...

Journeyman Geek

John T, Hamilton, Canada

129k 18 260 306

windows windows-7 linux windows-xp ubuntu macos windows-vista

allquixotic

1240

A: Transatlantic ping faster than sending a pixel to the screen?

The time to send a packet to a remote host is half the time reported by ping, which measures a round trip time. The display I was measuring was a Sony HMZ-T1 head mounted display connected to a PC. To measure display latency, I have a small program that sits in a spin loop polling a game contro...

Mokubai

Or was I just annoying a friend in Saints Row 3 by constantly tazing them?

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic that's one of those situations where the rep cap probably made sense

Gerold Broser

19:59

@allquixotic This is from 2012. Monitors evolved since. ;)

Mokubai

Think they were trying to shoot me dead, and I was "Why are you lying on the floor? Shoot me!"

Journeyman Geek

@GeroldBroser he made a better HMD :p

djsmiley2k

superuser.com/review/first-posts/646475

hmmm

allquixotic

@GeroldBroser not the point; it's John Carmack

Journeyman Geek

Essentially a lot of the votes are cause ~~he's a superstar~~ he's the canonical source

allquixotic

20:01

> Last seen Jan 9 '12 at 20:28

Journeyman Geek

;p

wasn't sure if that was public

Gerold Broser

@allquixotic I see, didnt' realize that before. THE John Carmack? Apparently.

allquixotic

@GeroldBroser yes, THE John Carmack

I'm tempted to ask a followup question about the same thing but "nowadays" and tweet it at John to see if he'll chime in

Gerold Broser

@allquixotic NOW I understand...after all the years...why they released things like Wolfenstein, Doom, etc.

Having to perform such high-tech experiments there's an urgent need to satisfy males' basic instincts for compensation.

Journeyman Geek

whaaaaat?

allquixotic

20:10

hmm, my Crapple Watch just rebooted randomly :/

Journeyman Geek

lol

tbh, my (new) ticwatch has been a champ so far

and I suspect they beveled the glass on the new ones so they don't crack like mine did

allquixotic

I need to save that one for Bob; he'll love hearing me say Crapple

Journeyman Geek

lol

bwDraco

20:23

lol

That Brazilian Guy

WHY DOES MANGLEMENT MANGLE?

Burgi

@DavidPostill i will... soon...

DavidPostill

@ThatBrazilianGuy BECAUSE THEY WANT TO CRUSH THE WORKERS!

That Brazilian Guy

We need cheese. Take this stone and carve holes in it. Why are so many holes in it? Take this picture of a cheese. Clients are getting poisoned when they eat the picture. Where is my 1 ton of real cheese? I need it in 3 days. You have budget for a cow. Oh, it is dead. We now need 2tons of cheese in 2 days.

allquixotic

ČÃŃ WĘ PŁÉÂŠÈ ŠTÖP ŸĘŁŁĮÑG?!

Burgi

20:32

at the tip as i was launching my old PCs into the skip i saw 3 or 4 old dells from about 2006...

That Brazilian Guy

Burgi

if the jobsworth high-vis jacket guy hadn't been hovering about i might have "recycled" those dells

allquixotic

c

That Brazilian Guy

FLOOF

allquixotic

what does an uppercase space look like?

how about a bold space?

That Brazilian Guy

20:37

@allquixotic is looks like toUpper(' '), obviously.

DavidPostill

@allquixotic Like this

allquixotic

@DavidPostill oh, I see :)

That Brazilian Guy

Eeew, who picked the colors of this site? A vomiting sick cat?

allquixotic

@ThatBrazilianGuy hey! what do you have against sick ca-- blech

DavidPostill

@ThatBrazilianGuy I've seen worse :)

That Brazilian Guy

20:40

@DavidPostill yvettesbridalformal.p1r8.net Have ~~seizures~~ fun

Burgi

@ThatBrazilianGuy we use that plugin, i strongly suggest NOT using it

That Brazilian Guy

@Burgi Huh? Why? I've never used it, but I've only heard praises about it.

Burgi

if your license expires you can't update it

That Brazilian Guy

@Burgi What? The license is single-payment, lifetime.

DavidPostill

@ThatBrazilianGuy angelfire.com/super/badwebs

Burgi

20:45

we have the older license

DavidPostill

theworldsworstwebsiteever.com

That Brazilian Guy

And besides I'm going to use the free version, because IT BUDGET? BUT IT IS AN EXPENSE!

Burgi

it stores the fields in the DB so it needs extra calls to the DB each time you build a page even if you aren't using any custom fields

DavidPostill

worlds-worst-website.com

At least that one had some cats pictures :)

Burgi

its simpler to write a custom plugin and generate your own metaboxes

That Brazilian Guy

20:47

@Burgi I never did that and have to deliver this project in 3 days... +_+" >_<" 0_o

Burgi

did you not have today off?

That Brazilian Guy

@Burgi Why would I? It's the second person I see mentioning this online...

Burgi

catholic country, easter....

shrug

That Brazilian Guy

@Burgi Yes, easter, on Sunday. Easter,[nb 1] also called Pascha (Greek, Latin)[nb 2] or Resurrection Sunday...

Burgi

do you not get the monday off in lieu of the sunday?

DavidPostill

20:49

@Burgi They don't have banks any more in BR so no Bank Holidays :)

Burgi

@DavidPostill LOL! man brazil sucks... ;)

That Brazilian Guy

@Burgi We already have O(n^2) holidays and if it happens on thursdays people skip fridays.

Do you really think we need more? Are you secretly Brazilian?

Burgi

i'm british, i always think we need more holidays

That Brazilian Guy

@Burgi Huh?!?!

Burgi

teasing

That Brazilian Guy

20:52

@Burgi Yeah, and the Spanish they speak there is really unintelligible

Burgi

exactly

That Brazilian Guy

I HATE MY WORK COMPUTER

bertieb

Aw, if a question gets deleted you lose answer points :-/

(I guess there really is no harm to cross-answering?)

Michael Frank

21:26

@Burgi There are probably many more countries that don't have Mondayised holidays if they fall on the weekend.

Burgi

i just thought it was a thing in christian based countries

i figured that maybe in saudi arabia they wouldn't celebrate easter

DavidPostill

timeanddate.com/holidays has the list. Scroll down a bit to see who has a holiday today :)

Michael Frank

Nah, some parts of Australia don't have a public holiday for Easter on Monday.

djsmiley2k

@Burgi we have the least in europe

glad we're leaving so we can stop making that comparison!

-_-

DavidPostill

@MichaelFrank timeanddate.com/holidays/australia/easter-monday

> Easter Monday is the day after Easter Sunday. It is a public holiday throughout Australia each year.

djsmiley2k

21:29

hey i want tomorrow off

Tuesday Apr 18 Last day of Passover Argentina, Australia, Canada, United Kingdom, United States

and on friday I'm moving to Brazil

Burgi

what on earth for?

djsmiley2k

they got a hjoliday xD

Burgi

they don't even speak proper spanish there! ;)

Michael Frank

@DavidPostill Yea, except I was speaking to some Australians last night that were saying it wasn't a public holiday in all states. o.o

fixer1234

@bertieb, what hurts is an old question that should have been off-topic, but you answer it anyway, and the answer attracts a ton of upvotes. Later, it's decided that the question should be closed and deleted. The loss of rep gives you an appreciation for "I felt a great disturbance in the Force".

bertieb

21:34

@fixer1234 Yeah, seems a bit arbitrary. The community giveth with one hand, and the community taketh away...

DavidPostill

@MichaelFrank Well if the AU governent says it's a holiday they must be wrong :)

@fixer1234 If the answer is more than 60 days old and has at least 3 upvotes, you keep the rep.

bertieb

Ah, I was just wondering whether rep gets 'baked in'

DavidPostill

307

Q: How does deleting work? What can cause a post to be deleted, and what does that actually mean? What are the criteria for deletion?

What circumstances can cause a question or answer to be deleted, and what does that actually mean? How can a post be deleted? When can't I delete my own post? Can I see a list of my deleted posts? How can I undelete one of my posts? What does deletion mean for a post? How do votes to delete wo...

support faq delete deleted-questions deleted-answers

bertieb

Didn't realise along with the t-shirts and hat you get mind reading powers when elected...

DavidPostill

> Reputation changes from bounties, votes (both up and down), and acceptances on deleted posts (including answers to a deleted question) are nullified. (Exception: Reputation earned for posts with a score of three or higher, and where the post has been visible on the site for at least 60 days, is retained).

@bertieb 2 t-shirts :)

Michael Frank

21:37

I lost my SU t-shirt, I'm still bummed about that.

bertieb

@DavidPostill Okay, along with the tshirten...

fixer1234

@DavidPostill, I had that happen a while ago with a question that was a year or two old and the answer had 6 or 7 upvotes. They went bye bye.

DavidPostill

@fixer1234 Hmm

bertieb

> delete

Is now a weird word after reading it too many times in that Meta QA

DavidPostill

@bertieb Most words sound weird if you say them lots of times :)

fixer1234

21:41

@bertieb, you have it backwards. You need mind reading powers to qualify.

bertieb

Yea, semantic satiation or somesuch

DavidPostill

Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo

"Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo" is a grammatically correct sentence in American English, often presented as an example of how homonyms and homophones can be used to create complicated linguistic constructs. It has been discussed in literature in various forms since 1967, when it appeared in Dmitri Borgmann's Beyond Language: Adventures in Word and Thought. The sentence employs three distinct meanings of the word buffalo: the city of Buffalo, New York; the verb (uncommon in usage) to buffalo, meaning "to bully, harass, or intimidate" or "to baffle"; and the animal...

bertieb

@fixer1234 I knew you'd say that

;)

(nicely works with the mod/Judge Dredd ref too)

fixer1234

@DavidPostill, I just used that a few days ago in a comment on another site. If you don't have mind reading powers, you've got something close. :-)

Burgi

my girlfriend is brilliant

she came over to my new flat for the first time last night and she brought me a LOAD of beer as a house warming present

fixer1234

21:44

@Burgi, don't tell us, that's just bragging. Tell her if you want to get some mileage out of it.

Burgi

@fixer1234 i did tell her

DavidPostill

@Burgi And here's me thinking you were going to say she helped you christen the ...

Burgi

@DavidPostill :D

DavidPostill

@Burgi Don't drink to much beer then ;p

bertieb

Steady on :P

Mithrandir

21:46

@DavidPostill oh, I like that one. It came up earlier today...

Burgi

@DavidPostill she has gone home now, leaving me home alone with a LOT of beer

Michael Frank

@Burgi Drink it all.

DavidPostill

James while John had had had had had had had had had had had a better effect on the teacher

"James while John had had had had had had had had had had had a better effect on the teacher" is an English sentence used to demonstrate lexical ambiguity and the necessity of punctuation, which serves as a substitute for the intonation, stress, and pauses found in speech. In human information processing research, the sentence has been used to show how readers depend on punctuation to give sentences meaning, especially in the context of scanning across lines of text. The sentence is sometimes presented as a puzzle, where the solver must add the punctuation. It refers to two students, James and...

Burgi

@MichaelFrank on a school night??? what could possibly go wrong there? ;)

bertieb

@MichaelFrank Might aid the whole 'spontaneous furniture disassembly' thing

Burgi

21:47

@bertieb i built this furniture!

bertieb

@Burgi Hence the comment :P

Burgi

lol

bertieb

Beer and furniture make Homer something something

Or words to that effect

DavidPostill

> Wouldn't the sentence 'I want to put a hyphen between the words Fish and And and And and Chips in my Fish-And-Chips sign' have been clearer if quotation marks had been placed before Fish, and between Fish
and and, and and and And, and And and and, and and and And, and And and and, and and and Chips, as well as after Chips?"[4] This sentence is much easier to read because the writer placed commas between and and & and and and And, & and and and And & and And and and, & and And and and & and and and And, & and and and And & and And and and, & and And and and & and and and. (46 ands in a row)

2

Burgi

@bertieb the pictures in the wardrobe instructions seemed to indicate it needed two people

i managed it solo

another person would have just got in the way

bertieb

21:50

@Burgi I'm imagining you saying this while sat around a makeshift campfire, cigar in one hand, eyepatch on one eye...

Best ~~David Hayter~~ Keifer Sutherland I guess voice

Michael Frank

@bertieb ...wardrobe door nailed to his arm.

Burgi

lol

bertieb

@MichaelFrank "I was lucky to get out... alive"

Burgi

the HORRORS OF IKEA

Michael Frank

@bertieb See, I just started watching Designated Survivor, so that doesn't have as much weight at the moment.

bertieb

21:51

"Trust me, kid. Don't mess with wardrobes."

Burgi

@bertieb i do like camping...

bertieb

@MichaelFrank I am unfamiliar with it, any good?

Burgi

i have a bear grylls flint thing

never used it as i always remember to pack butane

Michael Frank

@bertieb It's okay so far. I have only watched a couple episodes though.

fixer1234

@DavidPostill, now this is just getting freaky! "James while John...."--I was saying that to my wife just the other day. There's no way you could possibly know.

DavidPostill

21:53

@bertieb Why? In case you have a wardrobe malfunction? ;P

bertieb

@fixer1234 You hope...

(too much?)

Burgi

CONFIRMATION BIAS!!!!

bertieb

@DavidPostill Heh. If I can write a scene out of it, you'll get punchline credit :P

allquixotic

@DavidPostill mind blown

fixer1234

@bertieb, Designated Survivor--I'm hooked on it.

bertieb

21:58

@fixer1234 I'll keep it on my (admittedly long/vague) 'to watch' radar

fixer1234

@bertieb, It's hard, though seeing Kiefer Sutherland as a bookworm President after all the 24 series.

bertieb

@fixer1234 If I can forgive him being Snake, I can forgive that

Though it would probably help than I haven't actually cough, seen 24

DavidPostill

To the off-topic close voters - smart phones are on topic when they "interface with your computer" — DavidPostill ♦ 46 secs ago

That includes you @bertieb :)

Michael Frank

Quick everyone change your votes to "Too broad"!

DavidPostill

@MichaelFrank Too late I reopened it (which cancels all the votes) ;p

fixer1234

22:02

@DavidPostill, so @bertieb is on-topic if he interfaces with a computer?

DavidPostill

@fixer1234 lol

bertieb

Eh, fair enough.

Next time I ask want to ask an Android question here I'll make sure to mention I have my phone plugged into my computer :P

2

Oh, hey another potential grey area- is it fair to VTC off-topic so that a Q can be migrated to an overlapping site (eg SF) so that it can receive better attention there?

DavidPostill

@bertieb If it's on topic here it should stay here. If it's a poor question it shouldn't be migrated.

bertieb

@DavidPostill It's at +21 at the mo, but not answered in >2 years

Fair to say not poor, just might get an answer on a more specialised site

DavidPostill

22:17

@bertieb Linky?

bertieb

21

Q: Jenkins realtime console output for parallel threaded fabric command

We have a Python fabric command that runs in parallel across several hosts, something like this: $ fab --hosts=prod1.server,prod2.server,prod3.server --parallel copy_cache This will copy cache to the production servers listed in parallel. There is various logging that occurs throughout the pro...

python deployment threads parallel-processing jenkins

DavidPostill

> Only questions which are less than 60 days old can be migrated; this rule applies also to moderators

107

Q: What is migration and how does it work?

I posted a question which was closed as off-topic and it seems like it could fit on another site in the network. How can I go about moving it there? What is migration and how does the process work? Who can migrate questions? When should I consider migration? What can cause migrations...

support faq migration

bertieb

@DavidPostill Okay doke, cheers! Hypothetically though, if it were a good, unanswered, uh, 'young' question- it is it worth VTmigrate, or only if actually off-topic here?

DavidPostill

@bertieb only if actually off-topic here and it is a good question worth migrating and the other site would accept it.

bertieb

@DavidPostill Figured as much, cheers!

So just to follow the train of logic; the user could then self-delete if they wanted to re-ask on a sister site

Assuming there are no answers

And if there were (but didn't address the question to the satisfaction of the querent), could mod-flag for deletion?

DavidPostill

22:28

@bertieb If there were valid answers I (as a mod) would decline a flag for deletion of the question.

5

A: Please stop migrating crap

Typically when people ask if something should be moved, I've typically had a small wishlist of things. Personally I feel migrations should be a little rare - if a question is off topic here, on topic there and is an exceptional question, there would be no question about moving it (other than wh...

@bertieb This is worth reading:

We are also able to contact foreign mods and ask if they would like a question. If they say no then we keep it :)

bertieb

@DavidPostill Okay, presumably the querent in that case would have to accept your decision that the answers are valid (their own misgivings aside) and re-ask on the sister site, and state in the question that they don't feel the answers are valid to avoid cross-post dupe flaf?

Much like how a same-site-Q has to demonstrate why it's not a dupe

DavidPostill

@bertieb Something like that. Normally cross-posting is OK if the question is tailored for each site it's posted on.

bertieb

@DavidPostill Gotcha, cheers!

DavidPostill

@bertieb That doesn't mean just changing a couple of words of course ...

bertieb

@DavidPostill You mean people can't just rephrase the opening fluff of "Dear [SO/SU/SF/Math/Woodworking], I have problem install NetBSD on toaster, plz halp" ?!

(checks NetBSD is still a Thing™)

bwDraco

22:43

ccianet.org/2017/04/…

> The problem with this request to expand copyright liability is that it will do too little to stop online piracy while doing too much damage to internet services and news sites which are following the law. Current law is based on a cost benefit analysis of copyright infringement and how third parties can help remove it — without facing penalties that would dry up investment for tech companies and curb access to legal information and content for internet users. It deeply concerns us that Hollywood is constantly trying to move the legal line by expanding liability for noninfringing innocent …

(Ed Black, President and CEO of CCIA.)

William

22:54

Installed 8gb more gbs for a total of 12gbs in my t420 thinkpad. No more chrome not enough memory windowse.

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