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5:00 PM

@DavidPostill Ohk, you caught me. I wanted to tweet this and couldn't find a proper compare image. Prolly going to tweet the merger one.

bertieb

Want a proper compare? I can find more similar images

Gerold Broser

Hi all

@DavidPostill Do you mind if I make (y)our recent PMs public? And, if you do, is it a legal issue if a do so with just mine?

bertieb

@Nick ^^ actually kinda makes sense-ish now

But still not really :P

Nick

@bertieb again, compare, not a merge but fuck, that's trippy :D

bertieb

It is a compare, insofar as I could

I'll see if the imagemagick's compare works any better now

It was silently erroring before, presumably as difference was too large (across RMSE, AE, etc)

Hmm, could align them better in gimp and then compare

heads down the rabbit hole

Gerold Broser

5:13 PM

Q: can I see the time of a certain chat post or is there just the time shown at posts here and there?

I see "posted NNm ago" in their drop-down menus but is there the absolute time somewhere?

DavidPostill

@GeroldBroser Are you referring to the mod message? It's up to you. They are intended to be private but we can't stop you making them public.

bertieb

0_o

Gerold Broser

@DavidPostill yes I am. Do I have to conform to "_user contributions licensed under cc by-sa 3.0 with attribution required_"?
a) when doing so on an SE page (not sure, since the rightholder is probably the same: Stack Exchange)
b) when doing so on an SE-external place (most probably yes, due to the license)

DavidPostill

@GeroldBroser Hmm. I don't know. Let me run it past the other mods. Where are you thinking of posting it and why?

bertieb

@Nick ^^ more what you're looking for? Managed to coerce compare eventually

Nick

5:27 PM

@bertieb Amazing. This a work of art.

Gerold Broser

@DavidPostill Why? This was not the only uncomfortable situation I experienced during the last few days...on a few SE sites (SO.DOC, stackapps, SU, physics). I'm not convinced that it was/is always me to blame at these occasions. I had a longer talk with another mod today and he agreed that sometimes some activities aren't really comprehensible, even impolite or rude. I'm thinking of putting my experiences on a meta site to see what a broader audience thinks about it.

bertieb

@Nick Thanks... can get different outputs with different -fuzz factors (heh) or -metrics depending on what you want

(I should probably stop spamming Zachard Gallimankis)

Last one because it looks quite evil:

Off to make din dins

Gerold Broser

afk 10

@DavidPostill For instance, posting a question in good faith and reading a comment calling it "a bunch of gibberish" short after doesn't conform to physics.stackexchange.com/help/be-nice , IMHO. (the comment has been deleted after I flagged it accordingly, but, anyway, it happened)

DavidPostill

5:47 PM

@GeroldBroser This is not the place to comment about your experience on another site. Use the physics chat or their meta.

Gerold Broser

@DavidPostill I'm aware of that. You asked "Where ... and why?" I answered where and why. And I brought an example for the why.

DavidPostill

@GeroldBroser If you want to comment about multiple sites then the best place is meta.se.

Gerold Broser

6:14 PM

/hide bertieb

Mokubai

@GeroldBroser Re: whether you have to conform to cc-by-SA 3.0... by creating an account you agreed to the site terms of service. Everything you need to know is in section 3 of the Terms of Service (Subscriber Content)

Gerold Broser

@Mokubai Thx for pointing me there. I'm aware of that I agreed to Stack Exchange Network Terms of Service. But, honestly, who reads terms of service...ever? :)

djsmiley2k

heh

@Mokubai I'd be interested to know how one could not confirm by it

Mokubai

@djsmiley2k Trying to apply your own licence and preventing people from using your solutions of supplied code, deleting content, or otherwise trying to restrict it or state that other places must be linked when attributing.... to name a few.

@GeroldBroser Uhhh. I read it once...

;)

djsmiley2k

but you can easily delete your own content anyway

Mokubai

6:22 PM

No

You can't

djsmiley2k

yeah i guess you can claim it's otherwise licenced, but that wouldn't actually stand anyway...

Ben N

The community reserves the right to restore your content

djsmiley2k

sure

Mokubai

Unless there is a good reason, you shouldn't be deleting your submitted content

Gerold Broser

@Mokubai "I read it once..." – You, Sir, are a hero! ;)

Ben N

6:23 PM

You may be dissociated from it, but you can't stop SE from keeping it public once you post it

djsmiley2k

wow

i just realised

slowly the internet is moving to a post licence world

slowly

and it may never get there either... but still, awesome

Gerold Broser

@Mokubai Does that mean it is pointless if I post code with GNU GPLv3 mentioned in an introductory code comment? Or are cc-by-SA 3.0 and GNU GPLv3 compatible in this respect?

Ben N

I don't believe you're allowed to post content with a license incompatible with CC-BY-SA

Gerold Broser

@djsmiley2k Isn't it rather "post-factual"?

Ben N

That is, you're saying by creating a post that the content is under CC-BY-SA

djsmiley2k

6:30 PM

@GeroldBroser hum, not sure i follow

Mokubai

@GeroldBroser I don't know enough about GPL v3, but by posting it here you agree for it to be cc-by-SA and so GPLv3 is irrelevant. If you don't own said code then you shouldn't be submitting it

Rahul2001

There was a "sudo for windows" question linked her a while ago, wasn't there?

nvm, found it

Gerold Broser

@Mokubai I see. I'm going to clarify whether they are compatible somewhere else then.

Mokubai

Wasn't there something about SO being moved to a code "completely open" licence of some kind

djsmiley2k

wtfpl?

:D

Ben N

6:33 PM

They said they were going to the MIT license but changed their mind once the community explained why to not

Mokubai

@GeroldBroser seems like something that would have been asked on meta.se or one of the lawyer.se or workplace.se sites

Gerold Broser

@djsmiley2k
You posted: "slowly the internet is moving to a post licence world"
I replied/asked – potentially rhetorically –: "Isn't it rather "post-factual"?"

@Mokubai I wasn't aware of that such existed. I think I'll take the lawyers then.

bertieb

@Mokubai Huh, so you can't change your mind about a contribution?

Let's go for a ridiculous example and say the SE Overlords to make money doing $abhorrent_thing; you can't say "actually, I don't want them profiting from my contributions under those circumstances, kthxbye" ?

Gerold Broser

@Mokubai
"The Q&A site lawyer.stackexchange.com doesn't seem to exist…yet."
"The Q&A site lawyers.stackexchange.com doesn't seem to exist…yet."
"The Q&A site legal.stackexchange.com doesn't seem to exist…yet."

bertieb

Gerold Broser

6:41 PM

@Mokubai Got it. Simply law.stackexchange.com

Ben N

The help center says to not "ask questions seeking legal advice on a specific matter" - I'm not sure what the extent of that is

Mokubai

@bertieb No, you gave it to the site. You can leave it all behind, but you can't burn it down on your way out.

bertieb

Hmm, that seems... pretty one-sided

Mokubai

@bertieb You are free to not contribute...

Anyway, by far the people who get the most from your contributions should be the person you are answering or the people it helped after.

bertieb

That's not really a discourse-furthering option :P

Gerold Broser

6:44 PM

@Mokubai There is the similar law.stackexchange.com/questions/14490/… since Oct 8, 2016 with no answer so far.

bertieb

I agree that the community likely benefits more than the overlords

Mokubai

@GeroldBroser I'd have a look on meta.stackexchange.com first TBH. Probably been asked there

bertieb

Thinking about it further, I suppose if a copyleft license gives anyone the right to copy (under the same provisions), it would necessarily give SE the same right

That said, presumably a person could delete their account so that they aren't associated with the content?

Mokubai

@bertieb Whenever I contribute, I do it knowing that if the day comes when I am completely disillusioned then I'll be doing nothing more than not logging in again. My content was given freely to help the people that it helped, and it stays there because SE makes it possible to stay there.

bertieb

Might look a bit bad "StackExchange, the QA site that kills puppies, content proudly provided by: ..."

Mokubai

6:49 PM

@bertieb Yes. An account can be deleted and it will dissociate your posts

bertieb

@Mokubai Oh I do agree, contributions help the community, save people time, prevent reinventing the wheel etc; I am on board with that-- didn't mean to imply otherwise

Rahul2001

Took me 5 minutes to come up with this:

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A: Is there a command which can elevate the Command Prompt in place?

I saw this question and came up with a simple solution. This is a tiny utility called rsudo, which runs escalated commands from a regular CMD window. Note: A UAC prompt will come up. Hiding this is not possible, that's just the way that UAC has been designed. Usage: rsudo.exe "[command]" D...

Gerold Broser

@Mokubai Good guess: "CC-BY-SA is incompatible with GNU"

https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/86581/273829

However, I can't tell how legally relevant this statement of a "theoretical computer scientist" is in fact.

bertieb

Being able to remove your name from it seems a reasonable compromise to make in case of sudden-and-dramatic-shift-in-corporate direction

Ben N

@Rahul2001 I thought the question specifically wanted the same process/window elevated :/

Rahul2001

6:52 PM

@BenN oops. I missed that part.

djsmiley2k

@Rahul2001 is that not jsut the same as using runas /u:administrator cmd ?

Rahul2001

@djsmiley2k Hm, this doesn't require password if the admin account is logged in

Ben N

FWIW I wrote a PS script to force a remote thread to impersonate and even that does not appear to do the job

Mokubai

@bertieb I don't think there's anything stopping you from creating a new account after the old is deleted, so yeah, if you have a reason to need "a clean break" then that could be done...

Ben N

As the top answer has determined, the task is impossible

(well, not impossible, but you'd need a kernel-mode driver and an appetite for horrible hackery)

Mokubai

6:55 PM

@GeroldBroser I vaguely remember someone mentioning that GPL is actually quite restrictive and in some ways at odds with a licence that states "go for it, just mention us"

Gerold Broser

@Mokubai OK, this one's better: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/60538/author-license-exception-to-cc-wiki/197302#197302

"You own the copyright to the content. By posting it on SF (or another SE site) you're agreeing to make it available under a CC-Wiki-with-attribution license. This is a non-exclusive license, and is not a reassignment of copyright."

"You are the author and you have the copyright. You can do with your work whatever you like. You decided to give it to Stack Overflow under a CC-Wiki license, but just because you licensed it to Stack Overflow, doesn't mean it's not …

bertieb

@Mokubai Yeah :)

Mokubai

@bertieb You'd have to be really sure though, because there's no going back afterwards.

Gerold Broser

@Mokubai But:

"Mixing CC-BY-SA-* with anything else is really problematic: for example, licence compatibility with things like the GNU GPL is an issue."

Seems to me that CC-BY-SA is the more restrictive of these two.

@Mokubai missed the time limit Please consider the last sentence as deleted...or changed to more problematic.

Mokubai

@GeroldBroser meta.stackexchange.com/questions/285711/… seems authoratative. They want to migrate to an MIT licence but;

> As such, the ToS hasn't been changed; your code on SO is still licensed under CC-BY-SA 3.0

@GeroldBroser Aye, it can be problematic, but I'd never use code I found here in the exact form I got it. I'd have read it, realised what it was doing and written in in my own way. Anything I contributed I would expect to be used in the same way.

Gerold Broser

7:08 PM

@bertieb (Late) Thx, but I hide you...I have to wear glasses, right. But it's not that bad that there's a need for monitor- and eye-stressing extra bright colors. ;)

bertieb

@GeroldBroser No probs, I am done with the images anyhoo

Gerold Broser

@Mokubai That's how I do it, as well. But I'm 99.99...% sure that there are also heavy 1:1 C&Prs.

allquixotic

@GeroldBroser You aren't kidding! I know, like, 100 coworkers who literally write our line of business applications via copy and paste from SO

and if the exact situation they have isn't on SO but something similar, they don't use their brain; they ask a new question

Blankman, blankville

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ruby-on-rails java ruby c# asp.net scala python

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Q: 50 question per month limit?

I get a message: Sorry, you are only allowed to ask 50 questions in a 30 day period Why is there a question limit? 50/month is just not enough :)

support questions rate-limiting monthly-question-limit

Gerold Broser

7:26 PM

@allquixotic LOL. But kidding wasn't my intention at all. That's simply my perception over decades of developing and using the Internet.

@allquixotic Are you allowed to tell your company's name? Just in case... ;))

"1544 QUESTIONS??? wait... EIGHT ANSWERS?!?!?!?" Now, that's a ratio. Is there a golden badge for such?

Ben N

There is a Socratic badge for asking a boatload of well-received questions, but we're not really trying to reward asking only questions

allquixotic

@GeroldBroser actually Blankman has 2189 questions on StackOverflow

@GeroldBroser "You aren't kidding!" is an idiomatic expression where I come from that means "I agree!"

Gerold Broser

@allquixotic Thx for clarifying. Idioms are one of the hardest things in a foreign language...

allquixotic

he's still at it, too -- Blankman has been asking questions for 5 years on StackOverflow, and still has to ask mundane, extremely simple questions like this recent one:

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Q: How to change indentation to 2 spaces?

How can I change indentation to always be 2 spaces? I go to View > Indentation > 2 But this only works for 1 file, and it seems to reset after opening/closing the app.

sublimetext3 sublimetext

he's the Jon Skeet of questions

and I bet he has multiple accounts and asks more than 50 questions per month using them @_@

Gerold Broser

@allquixotic But, well, he gathered 71+K reps this way. Does the rep system lack some...adaptions?

Journeyman Geek

7:43 PM

well, there's always a few outliers

Gerold Broser

@allquixotic At times of ancient Internet such people were called Dauersauger 'Permanent suckers' here when it came to Internet connections with shared bandwith.

Journeyman Geek

SO is also strange

allquixotic

@GeroldBroser I think the sheer number of questions asked on Stack Overflow makes it easy for tons of questions to fall through the cracks; a sufficiently popular SE site becomes near impossible to manage

they have, what, dozens of diamond mods over there? and still can't cleave through the huge number of questions

SO has an overall quality problem, where awful questions are allowed to remain and great questions might get overlooked or roomba'ed

Journeyman Geek

Then again, there are a few outliers here too. None that bad

allquixotic

also, the topicality rules are: (1) It has to be related to IT; and/or (2) you have to get lucky that nobody who cares about topicality looks at your question

Gerold Broser

7:47 PM

@allquixotic Unlucky me! One of mine didn't, recently. :( ..._fall through the cracks_) Givent that it was my first there...extremly unlucky.

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic I'm not entirely awake, but don't you mean programming?

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek no, I mean related to IT :P

Journeyman Geek

Do you mean on SU?

allquixotic

no, I mean on SO -- show me the ~500k questions that aren't about programming on SO getting closed and I might change my statement

Journeyman Geek

ah

Mokubai

7:51 PM

@JourneymanGeek By "outlier" do you mean "people who probably have 'breathe in' written on their left hand and 'breathe out' written on their right" ?

Gerold Broser

@Mokubai What if they wear gloves?

allquixotic

then they're an intruthteller

Mokubai

@GeroldBroser Then I assume that they have inexplicable fainting spells

Journeyman Geek

@Mokubai people whose reputation dosen't reflect their actual engagement

Thats one class, yes.

Or people with high rep despite not having posted things in 5-6 years ;p

Gerold Broser

@Mokubai Is there an ICD-10 no. for that, too?

allquixotic

7:55 PM

@Mokubai I parsed that as: spells (things you cast; Fireball; Lightning; Heal; etc.) that cause (themselves/others) to faint; and whose method of action is inexplicable

Gerold Broser

@allquixotic I had to use Google Translate...

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek ol' Billy Bob Hilsum the Beloved Help Vampire Who Never Visits Except To Ask For Help?

Gerold Broser

@allquixotic ...and it translated not your way :)

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic John T

allquixotic

Carmack? lol

Journeyman Geek

7:57 PM

129K rep - above me and Wil. Last answer in 2011

Mokubai

@allquixotic Pretty sure in a game I once played there was an "inexplicable faint" spell that caused the castee to wake up confused a short while later...

Journeyman Geek

John T, Hamilton, Canada

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windows windows-7 linux windows-xp ubuntu macos windows-vista

allquixotic

1240

A: Transatlantic ping faster than sending a pixel to the screen?

The time to send a packet to a remote host is half the time reported by ping, which measures a round trip time. The display I was measuring was a Sony HMZ-T1 head mounted display connected to a PC. To measure display latency, I have a small program that sits in a spin loop polling a game contro...

Mokubai

Or was I just annoying a friend in Saints Row 3 by constantly tazing them?

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic that's one of those situations where the rep cap probably made sense

Gerold Broser

7:59 PM

@allquixotic This is from 2012. Monitors evolved since. ;)

Mokubai

Think they were trying to shoot me dead, and I was "Why are you lying on the floor? Shoot me!"

Journeyman Geek

@GeroldBroser he made a better HMD :p

djsmiley2k

superuser.com/review/first-posts/646475

hmmm

allquixotic

@GeroldBroser not the point; it's John Carmack

Journeyman Geek

Essentially a lot of the votes are cause ~~he's a superstar~~ he's the canonical source

allquixotic

8:01 PM

> Last seen Jan 9 '12 at 20:28

Journeyman Geek

;p

wasn't sure if that was public

Gerold Broser

@allquixotic I see, didnt' realize that before. THE John Carmack? Apparently.

allquixotic

@GeroldBroser yes, THE John Carmack

I'm tempted to ask a followup question about the same thing but "nowadays" and tweet it at John to see if he'll chime in

Gerold Broser

@allquixotic NOW I understand...after all the years...why they released things like Wolfenstein, Doom, etc.

Having to perform such high-tech experiments there's an urgent need to satisfy males' basic instincts for compensation.

Journeyman Geek

whaaaaat?

allquixotic

8:10 PM

hmm, my Crapple Watch just rebooted randomly :/

Journeyman Geek

lol

tbh, my (new) ticwatch has been a champ so far

and I suspect they beveled the glass on the new ones so they don't crack like mine did

allquixotic

I need to save that one for Bob; he'll love hearing me say Crapple

Journeyman Geek