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12:03 AM
@Bob @Dog hackaday.com/2017/04/14/… might interest you.
thought that indicates the dual sim and single sim phones are the same, just that with different trays.
 
12:14 AM
In developed nations, what's the advantage of a dual-SIM phone?
My phone is dual-SIM but I don't quite see a good case for the second SIM slot.
 
@bwDraco work and personal lines on the same phone I suppose
For us, its the option of a local sim card when travelling
 
For me, maybe prepaid (e.g. TracFone) in the second slot?
@JourneymanGeek I'm probably getting a second device altogether if I need another line for work.
 
which means another device to charge and maintain
though many places give you a locked down system that has a battery drainer monitoring software like airwatch installed
 
I'd rather not have my main personal phone subject to MDM.
Also, June 2.
 
I specifically pinged @Dog cause they've had their phone apart a few times ;)
and both him and @Bob would totally argue if its BS. (I'd ping @allquixotic too, but he went over to the iphone camp ;p)
 
Dog
12:21 AM
@JourneymanGeek yeah it's hard to tell because it doesn't explicitly say, but I've never seen the SIM card manager menu on my phone.
@JourneymanGeek I've not had my S7 apart while in my possession
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek It's a well-known way to get dual-SIM + SD on models that already support dual-SIM.
 
Dog
Also the police looked at me phunny when I stopped to take a picture of the random phox in the middle of the road
 
Bob
But at the very least I'd need a firmware mod on my single-SIM one, I think.
 
Dog
Also why am I typing phox instead of fox, I'm not drunk
 
Bob
And the hardware actually has a different model number (SM-935F vs SM-935FD)
 
Dog
12:22 AM
Also my Japanese thing arrived
@Bob but the boot logo doesn't seem to indicate the "Duos" thing
 
Bob
@Dog ?
 
Dog
@Bob I'd have thought the boot logo would say Galaxy S7 Duos or something
 
Bob
@bwDraco "in developed nations", it's still often cheaper to get separate voice and dedicated data SIMs
@Dog idk, I've only got dual-SIM on my Xperia. which doesn't say anything special on boot.
 
my Op3 is dual sim only
 
Dog
@Bob not in this nation, practically all 4G SIMs come with unlimited calls and messages since the day of was launched
 
Bob
12:24 AM
@Dog and yea I'm pretty much saying both firmware and model number and probably hardware are different enough that I'd be very surprised if this works
@Dog even 'mobile broadband' SIMs?
most of those are intended for hotspot use here
 
@Bob Same for us; virtually every (postpaid) plan has unlimited calling and texting.
 
Dog
My S4 LTE-A doesnt say LTE-A (the Korean version does) but it does say GT-i9506 on the boot screen
@Bob those are rare tbh and almost never cheaper for data than a normal phone sim
 
I don't think most carriers here will provision a data-only (mobile broadband) SIM for a phone.
 
Bob
@Dog ah. s/developed nations/australia/ then
 
@bwDraco or in theory you could get a PAYG card for data
 
Bob
12:26 AM
@bwDraco meh, there's no such thing as 'provisioning for a phone' here
 
I've been considering that if I routinely overshoot my data, which I don't
 
Bob
you buy a SIM, you use a SIM
 
Dog
I've actually resorted to setting my S7 to 2G/4G only mode now instead of 3G/4G only which i was so proud to have discovered after first rooting my S4 many years ago
 
Bob
the carrier doesn't care what kind of device you use it in
 
@Bob can you get burner sims there? ;p
 
Bob
12:27 AM
I would consider device locking to be horribly invasive on the part of the carrier
@JourneymanGeek difficult at best - activation requires a fair bit of ID
 
Bob
they used to require that ID at sale but it's moved to (online) activation now, which is a lot easier. 8 years ago you didn't need ID at all I think
 
We need ID at point of sale and you're restricted to 3 sims (though you can deactivate them at any time)
 
Dog
I'd still prefer 4G only but literally nobody in the UK has a serious VOLTE deployment
 
Yeah, terrorists ruining it for everyone :(
 
Bob
12:28 AM
@JourneymanGeek yea I think you're restricted to 7 without additional info
 
I'm getting full VoLTE on T-Mobile right now.
 
Dog
@Bob I've heard rumours here that one certain carrier does actually enforce device locking of SIM types
 
It was neat that I could walk into a store and buy a sim card and a cheapie phone for not much money, no questions or ID asked
 
Dog
In the old days it was trivially easy to reprogram (or accidentally erase) your IMEI number and I accidentally made my phones IMEI into 000000000000...etc. once. All the networks accepted it.
 
@Dog WTF.
 
Dog
12:29 AM
Would be pretty hard to identify the device type with a null IMEI
@Bob same
Tbh you can still get SIMs trivially easily without ID here. They're supposed to ID you in stores but there's plenty of sites where you can just mail order a pack of free SIMs without proof of anything
 
@JourneymanGeek ...that's why I mentioned TracFone.
 
Dog
And heck, if you're going in with criminal intent you could just grab one off the shelf and walk out without going to the till. They don't need activating anyway
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek yea something like ... 6? 7? years ago they introduced ID in stores, then 1-2 years later realised it was far too annoying and changed it to ID on activation
 
Dog
@Bob probably better.
 
Get a TracFone AT&T SIM for use in areas where T-Mobile service is bad while traveling. That's the only use case I could think of here in the US.
 
Dog
12:32 AM
So yeah, was driving home and this random fox was just standing in the middle of a junction staring at the ladies. In the middle of the city, nowhere near any grass land or parks or forest. Poor thing must be lonely.
 
(as an MVNO, TracFone uses several different networks)
 
Dog
Anyone read Japanese?
 
Bob
@Dog if it were less blurry I'd chuck the Google Translate app at it
 
@Dog no one here off the top of my head.
 
Dog
12:49 AM
@Bob oh good idea
I didn't realise it could read Japanese. It didn't when I first tried but it couldn't speak Thai when I last tried either but it does not
Now*
 
Dog
> ① Uses the included cleaning cloth to clean the surface of the tempered glass before use Please wipe it well ② FussoSmartPhone's "to 10 to 15 degrees of weakness on tempered glass or smartphone glass. Because the liquid absorbs moisture quickly if it has a tissue or vinyl rice tissue, it does not get dirty or moisture absorbed in the mold. (Repeat steps 2 and 3 two or three times

④ It takes from 8 hours to 121 meters to connect the fluorocarbon to the glass at the molecular level. After coating, it is desirable to leave it for about 8 to 12 hours In the winter, I feel bad "Please try to
Well it gets the circled numbers right.
> On the winter, I feel bad
!! Wat
Urgh mobile chat is retarded. If you type a single line message that's too long you can't add a new line or send it
 
Maybe it's supposed to mean that you shouldn't keep the device in a very cold place?
The line length restriction is there in the desktop version as well
 
@Dog it gets SAD
 
Dog
@BenN yeah but in the desktop version you can press enter to make it multi line. Or shift enter.
 
1:01 AM
Ah
 
hm.
13
Q: elections.stackexchange.com isn't loading

Nathan TuggyI can't connect to http://elections.stackexchange.com or https://elections.stackexchange.com — the initial connection times out every time. I check this every week, and it worked fine last time, so it must be something pretty recent. (Further HTTPS deployment?)

this is arkward
 
Dog
Grr why is everyone being so epically bad with VoLTE
 
1:39 AM
Turns out you can't lock Mint's Cinnamon taskbar panel. You just can't. There's a hidden dconf setting, in true Linux fashion, but it's ignored.
 
1:49 AM
@JourneymanGeek Why? it's on purpose?
@Dog You put the liquid on the screen then you ---- it with the cloth :-) pictures for the win :-)
 
2:16 AM
@Ramhound eh. Sorta. But the site is a pretty useful resource. Rumours are there's some changes coming tho to moderation elections.
If nothing else, we need to confirm every year we are staying on as mods soon.
 
Well perhaps Switching to https everywhere before elections were transferred was a bad idea:-)
 
2:31 AM
Lol. Looks like a longer term project.
 
 
1 hour later…
3:32 AM
@Bob
 
Bob
@allquixotic hi
 
I literally just took a dose of doxylamine
I'll wake up in like 10 hours; from then on I can make time for games
 
Bob
lol
I have excellent timing, I see
 
I think if I had checked email THEN taken it I'd have been able to hold off
 
Bob
@allquixotic in 10 hours sounds good for me - alright if I message you then?
 
3:38 AM
@Bob sure
guess I'll put my phone on max volume instead of vibrate like usual
 
This is very interesting. Tabbed UI everywhere!
 
@bwDraco very!
 
Bob
4:48 AM
beep
 
boop
@Dog it still is for MediaTek phones
They routinely go away, need to be careful about it
 
5:14 AM
@JourneymanGeek HTTPS is giving me a timeout, HTTP gives a database error
 
@Rahul2001 its definately broken
elections.se is a bit odd - its not really written or owned by SE (Tim Stone isn't an employee, though he does a lot of stuff around the place) and apparently is run on something a CM maintains.
 
@allquixotic Who said anything about pirating?
 
@Rahul2001 seeding linux livecds on your neighbour's connection is impolite too ;p
also, its oddly hard to seed linux livecds. I probably should switch to seeding 17.10
 
@JourneymanGeek The ISP website tells me that (s)he only uses a fraction of his/her available bandwidth
 
Ok, that is a invasion of his privacy
also, torrents can affect routers even if they arn't saturating their bandswidth
 
5:20 AM
@JourneymanGeek Uh, the webpage opens automatically upon connecting to the network
 
._.
Dosen't make it any less so
 
@JourneymanGeek It was one small file, I disconnected...
 
(Its tempting though, but thankfully most Isp supplied routers here are locked down)
 
 
1 hour later…
Bob
6:32 AM
Yup, looks like RAM. — TOOGAM 4 mins ago
lol
 
Its certainly not a goat.
 
7:20 AM
@Ramhound I am dissapoint. You didn't mention John Carmack in the meta question you commented on ;p
 
No idea who John Carmack is lol
 
1239
A: Transatlantic ping faster than sending a pixel to the screen?

John CarmackThe time to send a packet to a remote host is half the time reported by ping, which measures a round trip time. The display I was measuring was a Sony HMZ-T1 head mounted display connected to a PC. To measure display latency, I have a small program that sits in a spin loop polling a game contro...

 
But is his individual serious, "fine be that way I won't get my students to serial upvote my stuff!!!"
I am like "Score!!!" ...
 
I think we can live without the type of students they have :-)
 
 
2 hours later…
8:59 AM
hmmmmmm 2.1 trying to share his soggy buscuit with me
@JourneymanGeek thats ....... wow
 
Bob
9:13 AM
@JourneymanGeek I've always been a bit dissatisfied with that answer... it's very localised to the specific display tested, and can't be reliably generalised to all LCD displays.
 
lol
@Bob there's specific context here ;p
@gen.Strash The fictional Harvard professor can earn the reputation like everyone else that doesn't have access to Harvard students did, they contributed content, that earned upvotes from people they don't know — Ramhound 2 hours ago
see the comment thread around there
and I'm partially argueing that there's a big difference from people voting for that cause it was Carmack as opposed to that dude's GF voting for him
 
9:42 AM
wooo civic duty
 
whoo badges
 
whhhhpoooo
 
Bob
10:27 AM
@JourneymanGeek ooh, usbc question, I can answer th... oh, geek got to it first :P
 
@Bob You could always try to write a better answer :)
 
Bob
@DavidPostill he's covered everything, and I can't write much from my phone
 
@Bob I know, hence the smiley ;p
 
10:42 AM
Hi all, this is my first time in an chat and I have a few questions.
...in an SE chat...of course
 
@IchweineSUkeineTränenach Hi
 
Hi David, you're the right person ;)
means, the one I was looking for
...here
 
:D
Hello? Is it me you're looking for?
Oh no, it's @DavidPostill
 
dj? what kind of music are you listening?
 
@Ramhound that whole thing is funny
'I'm a lecturer....'
ok
yet you've only just signed up on the site
you don't list yourself as being a lecturer anywhere
your writing ability on your profile is lacking
your questions are... lacking
and a minute ago your only questions were those which your girlfriend had interacted with.
 
10:45 AM
@IchweineSUkeineTränenach ?
 
can I open a private room here in if i can how do i invite someone?
-in- and
 
11:11 AM
u can....
 
Bob
@IchweineSUkeineTränenach no, only mods can create private rooms
all other chats are public
you can create a room and invite people, but others can find the room and see what you say
 
Bob
I think you can put it in gallery mode where only approved users can talk, but everyone can still visit & read
 
11:42 AM
It would take something exceptional for "private rooms" and least as far as semi official SU rooms go, I don't see the point of gallery rooms here for regular stuff ;p
@IchweineSUkeineTränenach @DavidPostill and I are the mods you're most likely to run into on chat
facedesk
 
@JourneymanGeek We have been talking elsewhere. I made the room private at his request.
 
ah!
Well, if its exceptional, and you feel it is, go ahead ;p
 
12:15 PM
@JG Sorry for not being super precise here. With "private" I meant a room I create, regardless of access permissions.

I hope you recover from your broken nose, soon. :-P
 
>_>
My nose is fine. I just emote more efficiently.
 
12:34 PM
@Bob the DP question HNQed
@IchweineSUkeineTränenach ah hah!
"Site rooms" - that's somewhere on the top right. Then create new rooms, that's on the bottom of the "rooms" page
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek lol, I should start betting on hnq :P
seem to be finding a lot of them these days
 
@Bob I fired up a basic answer in 30 seconds ;p
You couldn't have done it any faster.
Then polished it. Then someone made it better with an inspired edit.
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek ya, but I generally consider "within 5 mins" to be the cutoff where I'd post a mostly identical later answer :P
assuming I was already writing one
 
Bob
funny thing, I had it open on my
phone with no answers, but got sidetracked
you'd posted by the time I got back :P
but you went into more depth on alt modes than I would've anyway
 
12:45 PM
lol
I was doing a bunch of research on that
 
So the person with ~100k rep beat a person with ~33k rep to a reply on a HNQ..? ;P
(...not that I'm bitter...)
 
Now that you put it that way....
 
Oh, I missed out the ;P
 
The person who was trying to figure out if his laptop would do USB C over DP before spending money on it beat the guy who has the same monitor as him and some USB C stuff
;p
(also, I'm 100K for a reason >_>)
 
Didn't mean to imply otherwise!
It's a highly-competitive environment (per the meta Q) for imaginary internet points
 
12:54 PM
@bertieb slooooow
 
Slow?
 
Already taken care of.
 
I see that :P I just wanted to reference it for a quote, not a 'hey, deal with this' reference!
...I wouldn't dare rouse the wauzer, for a start
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek the guy who wasted many hours of his life reading USB Type-C spec documents and trying to figure out if his desktop mobo supported Thunderbolt, more like :P
 
1:00 PM
lol
I read the right bits ;p
 
What's wrong with a self answered question I ask myself (my only question is self answered).
 
@DavidPostill nothing if its not been asked before.
Tricky if it has been and you can write a much better question
In this case though, the OP feels its a complete and perfect duplicate I think
ah!
 
I was about to comment that the other answers seem a bit -y
 
Its really old.
 
Will see how the edits shape up!
 
1:44 PM
anyone know how to apply more torque to a stiff screw without shredding it or ripping your arm off?
 
ooh
@Burgi I bought a small, L shaped bit driver
 
Bob
@Burgi impact driver
 
@JourneymanGeek a sort of wrench shape?
 
Bob
especially if philips (eww)
 
@Bob i haven't seen one of those
 
1:46 PM
@Burgi something very similar to aliexpress.com/item/…
got it off DX tho
 
Bob
you really need that force pushing into the screw, which is what impact drivers do
@Burgi think like a drill but whenever it 'catches' instead of camming out it applies a huge burst of torque and inward motion
 
I used it with an extension. Had to undo something like 30-40 rusted out screws from cabinets.
 
thanks guys, i was already thinking of a L-shaped attachment
i wonder if i can jerry-rig one up...
this table is goinbg to kill me :(
 
lol
@Burgi that tool is a lifesaver when I need it.
OH
@Burgi or a bit rachet type tool
 
19
Q: How can I remove a really stuck screw?

Tester101I often come across screws that just won't budge with a manual screwdriver or even a driver bit in a drill. They are of different screw types and heads in a variety of different materials. What are some techniques I can use to try and remove them?

 
Dog
1:54 PM
@JourneymanGeek ff
 
when i was an engineer the company bought me a really nifty ratchet driver. i had to give it back when i resignned
 
Dog
@JourneymanGeek I have an answer for this already but I got like one up vote :-(
 
36
A: How can I remove a really stuck screw?

Tester101Twist in the proper direction Are you turning the right way? Remember, "Righty tighty, Lefty loosy" (which never made sense to me). Most screws are right-handed threads, so you'll turn them anti(counter)-clockwise to remove them. In some situations left-hand thread screws are used (usually to ...

 
@DavidPostill effectively i need arnie muscles
 
1:55 PM
@Dog did you? I only see my answer ;p
 
@Burgi Be very careful when applying the last option in this answer :)
 
lube.... :S
 
@Burgi Keep reading :)
 
@DavidPostill its a screw going in, not coming out but the techniques are similar i guess
 
@Burgi Ah. Ikea furniture?
 
1:57 PM
@Burgi oh, electric screwdriver.
 
yes
 
Seriously If you don't have one, get one.
 
@DavidPostill Wax the screw if you have a candle
 
I have something like this blackanddecker.com/en-us/products/power-tools/… ... with an ikea bit from my chair ;p
 
@Burgi Are you using the correct screw? Ikea construction shouldn't need excessive force.
 
1:58 PM
@DavidPostill lol. Shouldn't.
 
@JourneymanGeek In my many years experience of assembling Ikea furniture I've never had that problem.
 
@DavidPostill assuming you have everything lined up right
 
there is only 1 type of crew in this table
 
If it won't fit or wont screw in easily then @Burgi is not following the incomprehensible instructions correctly
 
HEY! i object to that!
 
2:01 PM
@Burgi Then you clearly have been given the wrong crew ;p
 
the instructions are being followed and are very clear
 
@DavidPostill i think the hole is off by a few mm. the other two screws in the bracket went in fine
i just noticed my typo...
 
room topic changed to Root Access: Root Access: For all you Super Users out there. You have backups, right? Current topics: Furniture Assembly. And Hopefully not uncontrolled spontanious disassembly.... [computers]
 
@Burgi Try loosening the other 2. Then screw in all 3 a few turns each at a time.
 
2:04 PM
like a car tyre ;p
@Burgi unscrew all, line up, hand tighten in turn until you feel its lined up...
 
car tyres are easy... you get a long wrench then jump on it....
 
@JourneymanGeek You might want to fix the spulling mistooks in the room topic ... ;p
 
room topic changed to Root Access: Root Access: For all you Super Users out there. You have backups, right? Current topics: Furniture Assembly. And Hopefully not uncontrolled spontaneous disassembly.... [computers]
Only one mistake ._.
 
Hopefully should start with a small 'h' :)
 
2:06 PM
pfft
room topic changed to Root Access: Root Access: For all you Super Users out there. You have backups, right? Current topics: Furniture Assembly. And hopefully not uncontrolled spontaneous disassembly.... [computers]
@Burgi ... I think I see the problem here ;p
You're supposed to hand tighten alternate bolts, then the other set. Then synch down alternate sets so it goes in flat.
 
@Burgi Screws don't work? Apply no more nails / duct gorilla tape to the affected area as required :P
 
i used pure geek muscle
 
Instead of using geek brain :)
 
lol
@Burgi so none at all? ;p
 
yeah
i left it a little while and it went in...
 
2:16 PM
@Burgi Clearly the screw got very angry with you, heated up, and expanded. Now it's cooled down ...
 
Dog
2:32 PM
@JourneymanGeek it was several weeks ago
But basically an identical answer
Basically
 
Dog
I am going to speak to you using only Google voice typing from now on
 
Dog
Oh my god it make no mistakes on the first sentence
 
Oh dear.
 
Dog
2:34 PM
Еще лучше я могу говорить по-английски и набирать на японском
 
@Dog For some value of Japanese that is actually Russian ...
 
Dog
私は日本語ではない英語あなたは愚かな電話
मुझे आश्चर्य है कि इस आवाज़ में चीनी का देवता कैसे अनुवाद किया गया है
Well this is confusing
 
This is making more sense than @dog's posts in English :)
 
Quite!
 
Dog
My phone has learnt like 15 languages of the last year
This expensive new phone so smart phone coating doesn't work at all
I wonder how good it is with f****** swear words
 
2:38 PM
lol
 
Dog
Well that's bloody close enough piece of s***
Rolex Willie Nelson it's wearing two that identifies one and then blanks and out
That was terrible I think I need breakfast what is my phone
 
> Rolex Willie Nelson
._.
 
> I need breakfast what is my phone
 
He really just makes more sense in japanese that's actually russian.
 
Dog
Yeah I don't even remember what I was trying to say it the not it no not go there no f*** you phone
F****** Otto cucumber b*******
 
2:40 PM
I usually break voice recognition
Oo
 
@Dog Phone like typing detected
 
Read text Eva guess not
 
Dog
Yeah but that's because you speaks English singlish see you got it right the first time and then auto corrected to English for some stupid reason
 
> Dear aunt, let's set so double the killer delete select all
 
First line worked. Second line went nuts
 
2:41 PM
Didn't work for me :(
 
Dog
It would probably make a lot more sense if I didn't stop and have an argument with my phone about it auto correcting halfway through a sentence
 
Oddly the most reliable voice rec I've used...
is on my watch
 
Dog
I was talking about how pointless all this artificial intelligence not touching your phone voice recognition b******* was for somebody the other day and turns out that it is quite useful for those with visual boy dexterity improvements by using a touchscreen is quite difficult
Payments not improvements no impairments not payments or improvements goddammit
 
... did it censor business?
 
Dog
No I said both it's not business
B******* not built m**** f*** you this is
The terrible part as you can't go back and correct something and if you tried to tell it to correct something it thinks it's more typing and gets even weirder and longer Wonga wrong er
I managed to get it to right wrong and in the end buy spelling out w r o n g e r
 
2:44 PM
lol
 
Dog
It's clever that it can understand when I'm spelling a word like t i s s*** that's not how you spell this
Looks like there's no option for a Singaporean dialect
But I did manage to find the fuck filter y a y
So the word it censored earlier was bullshit not business
F i n a l l y!!!
App that was amazing first it type s i n a l l y exclamation mark exclamation mark exclamation mark and then auto corrected to the what I actually wanted
 
You do realise now if you swear someone might flag it...
@Dog I don't sound singaporean
ask @Bob and @allquixotic ;p
 
Dog
@JourneymanGeek does that mean if I swear with stars it'll be immune to fly game lagging flagging flagging not slagging
 
@Dog you'd be less likely to have those flagged accepted
 
Dog
It can understand when I say exclamation mark exclamation mark why can't it understand when I say delete all not all replies
 
2:52 PM
table finished
 
Dog
If you don't sound Singaporean what do you sound question mark
Oh for fox sake I said?
Good job on autocorrect in fucksake the Fox sake
Ok why the fuck is a daughter, capitalising the word fox again
 
sigh
@Dog swear less please.
 
@Dog dude, what JMG is saying is you might want to practise the speech to text in another channel
 
Dog
At Bob that doesn't work at sign Bob
Well I guess it understands exclamation mark but not at sign what if I spoke an email address Fergie is a geek at gmail.com
@Burgi hello
I don't need practice I'm literally talking to you normally
 
@Dog You're having a stream of conciousness.,... that could use some chlorine ;p
 
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