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Journeyman Geek

00:00

I could possibly throw on a iscsi target on my home box

Not enough space tho

Bob

btw, @allquixotic, I figured out how to get the newer supermicro firmware to work properly with uefi boot

it's really fiddly

basically efibootmgr doesn't work

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@Bob Really weird is my middle name

I wonder if using a mobile hotspot device instead of my mobile phone would work better as a mobile hotspot device

Bob

@allquixotic have to remove the efibootmgr entry, install a proper shellx64.efi 2.0+, boot into that, use bcfg to add the entry, reboot into firmware, and within the hard drive suboption select the new entry

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Mainly as in the positioning and orientation of the antenna may be better optimised for fixed/desktop use instead of handheld

Getting a bit tired of having 80-200Mbps speeds while holding my phone dropping to 10Mbps as soon as I put it down

Lol so they're putting fake, nonfunctional metallic contacts into opto-mechanical keyboards now, to emulate the "clicky" sound of an actual mechanical keyboard

Journeyman Geek

00:35

Razer was doing that, weren't they?

Powershell for Linux

00:52

Razer have optical keyboards?

> Transcend has announced its first SSDs based on 3D MLC NAND flash memory. The MTE850-series drives are aimed at the higher-end of the market and promise up to 2.5 GB/s sequential read speed along with endurance-related advantages of 3D NAND.

Transcend does not disclose exact specifications of all its new MTE850 series SSDs, but only shows their pictures as well as performance numbers for the flagship 512 GB model.

Oh come on will somebody release something to compete with Samsung's 2TB NVMe SSDs already

Crapdragon X10: Category 9
Crapdragon X12: Category 12/13
Crapdragon X16: Category 16/13
Crapdragon X20: Category 18/13

Consistent and predictable naming ftw

I guess they couldn't inflate their capability nnumbers anymore so just inflate the marketing instead

What's next, X24 modem with Cat 13-19.5 capability?

It's like 3.5G phones being called 4G, 3.9G phones being called 4.5G/4G+, and 4G phones being called 5G all over again...

In fact it's the same market so I guess that's the new normal now

Add moar G's

Real world capability still hasn't even improved over the X10

Journeyman Geek

@Bob @allquixotic minor HVing here but how do you guys backup your servers?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek uh. You did see my question last night right? :P

Journeyman Geek

no?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek the one asking about cloud storage?

Journeyman Geek

ah!

Oh, I mean the system not the data

Too much odd stuff to do it otherwise

Bob

01:02

@JourneymanGeek Ah, the system ... isn't backed up :P

Journeyman Geek

ah

Bob

I have a ridiculously well documented install process now, in the event of loss :P

Journeyman Geek

I figure I could do a cp backup

alas. the dedi grew organically

Bob

And it actually sits on a ZFS mirror (zraid1 on the other server)

and I take ZFS snapshots before upgrades

Journeyman Geek

I want to upgrade major versions of the OS so...

ah

Bob

01:03

So I only need to do a rebuild in the event of a full filesystem loss

Journeyman Geek

shutting down to image = too much downtime...

Powershell for Linux

@JourneymanGeek I run more servers than both of them and you don't care to ask me? :-(

Journeyman Geek

@PowershellforLinux What do YOU do? ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Weren't you the one who suggested rsync? :P

Journeyman Geek

@Bob system, not file level

Bob

01:05

For the most part, Linux is pretty happy with a plain file-only backup

@JourneymanGeek I'm quite literally installing a new system right now by exploding a bunch of files into a dir

Journeyman Geek

hm. I guess I could tarball the world.

Bob

That's what debootstrap does :P

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Then again my answer as far s my personal servers go... I ... don't? 😖

Journeyman Geek

I actually shouldn't really have anything running on the host (byt I do)

@PowershellforLinux gee. That's helpful.

Powershell for Linux

When I do it's just snapshot and live image the VM

I only usually do that when migrating or expecting something bad to happen tho

Journeyman Geek

01:07

Well, right now I'm shutting down the VM, and tarballing it

the main machine needs an update too.

Powershell for Linux

What VM software are you using?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek You don't even need to shut down

just do a live backup... :P

Journeyman Geek

KVM

Powershell for Linux

Perhaps I'm too used to enterprise software but all the VM hosts I run allow live snapshot and imaging

@JourneymanGeek What storage backend?

Journeyman Geek

errr

qcow2

Powershell for Linux

01:08

QEMU?

Journeyman Geek

Yeah

Powershell for Linux

Last I recall that should support snapshotting easily enough

Journeyman Geek

I don't remember the reason for it.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek You use libvirt yea?

Journeyman Geek

Yes

Powershell for Linux

01:09

Or do you specifically need file level from within the VM?

Journeyman Geek

Ok, two problems

1) Backing up VMs

2) Backing up the dedi it runs on

1) I shut down the VM, make a copy (actually gzipped it, which was dumb - copying THEN gzipping makes more sense?)

2) I have no idea

Powershell for Linux

I don't get why you don't just do Snapshot VM, copy/gzip/tar/7zip the snapshot, delete snapshot for 1)

Journeyman Geek

snapshot with?

Powershell for Linux

If you're happy with a compressed full image backup, which isn't the most efficient thing in the world but works

Journeyman Geek

Eh, I'm happy with a compressed full image backup.

Powershell for Linux

01:13

@JourneymanGeek Well qcow2 pretty much supports it natively

wiki.qemu-project.org/Documentation/CreateSnapshot

Journeyman Geek

> Making any changes to a base image (centos-cleaninstall.img in our example) will corrupt its snapshots.

which indicates I need to shut it down while backing up anyway ?

or switch the VM to run off the snapshots..

actually...

Powershell for Linux

@JourneymanGeek No

It's qcow

The base file remains an immutable clone of the VM at the time the snapshot was taken

Journeyman Geek

ah

Powershell for Linux

Changes get written to a new file, which becomes the "delta" since the last snapshot

allquixotic

asdfmovie10

►

Powershell for Linux

01:17

It can become a bit space inefficient though, if you don't compact/coalesce them once in a while (I dunno how qemu handles deleting snapshots tbh)

Journeyman Geek

ya

allquixotic

whatisop.com

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic I read through that and it dosen't tell me anything ;p

OH

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wiki.qemu-project.org/Features/Snapshots#Live_Snapshots

Journeyman Geek

@Bob what was that web based KVM front end you were talking about?

allquixotic

01:19

Beep, beep - I'm a sheep

Journeyman Geek

@PowershellforLinux I'll look up the equivilents for KVM :)

Powershell for Linux

> Live Snapshots

Overall concept
The idea is to be able to issue a command to QEMU via the monitor or QMP, which causes QEMU to create a new snapshot image with the original image as the backing file, mounted read-only. This will allow the original image file to be backed up.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek uh.

Journeyman Geek

kimchi or something?

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@Bob Uh

Bob

01:20

@JourneymanGeek github.com/kimchi-project/kimchi

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@JourneymanGeek Uh

Bob

@allquixotic I dunno if you saw above (supermicro/ovh thing)

also, s/eep/aaa/

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@Bob What?

Beep beep I'm a shaaa?

Bob

lol

Powershell for Linux

I'm a power user and I do none of those things

IMO how much of a power user someone is on a mobile device should be defined not by how much CPU, apps, data, or battery they use, but by how long it takes before the oleophobic coating is worn off their display.

allquixotic

01:22

I only do #2 and #3

Powershell for Linux

Well if you s/power/heavy

I use spotify a lot now but most of it is pre-downloaded not streamed

But err... yeah. Coating on my phone rarely lasts more than 4-5 months from purchase.

allquixotic

I make Verizon bleed for offering limited-unlimited data and hog tons of data watching youtube on my iphone's nUDP

Powershell for Linux

@allquixotic -_-

Bob

@allquixotic can't remember if you did a firmware update or switched back to legacy boot or what

Powershell for Linux

I'd normally say it's people like you that drive operators to withdraw unlimited services but right now I'm making 3 bleed for offering limited-unlimited data and sucking up hundreds of gigabytes per day

Bob

01:25

@allquixotic streaming music/video doesn't sound like a exclusively power-user-ish thing to do...

maybe a power-hungry-user

Powershell for Linux

@Bob Tjat's probably what they mean anyway, given their image is of a power usage comparison

allquixotic

@Bob it's UEFI iirc

Powershell for Linux

When I think power user I think root, system mods, advanced functionality, customization, low level tools ,etc.

@Bob Wait, did you buy a new new server or is this the OVH Australia one you ordered something like 8 months ago?

allquixotic

I never updated the firmware on my current box, and last I checked it was updated to the latest

what gen is yours? mine is an E5-v2

Bob

@allquixotic is it still in that state where you have to boot override on boot?

@allquixotic X11SSE-F 1.0b

allquixotic

01:28

@Bob no; I got rid of that a long time ago when I downgraded from the 2 x E5-v3 (too expensive) to the year with a huge discount of the SP-128-S (1 x E5-v2)

Bob

The brand new AU "Discover" servers

@PowershellforLinux same

@PowershellforLinux AU, was delivered about a month ago an I finally got around to setting it up

@allquixotic Oh. Might be a bug in the newer firmware then.

allquixotic

it's a C600 based chipset apparently

Bob

Basically efibootmgr doesn't write the right things, so you have to get a custom EFI shell and set things up via bcfg

Powershell for Linux

@Bob Eww, stuff like this is why I hate EFI booting

(Similar problems wiht my Windows laptop lately)

allquixotic

@Bob mine is the X9SRE, two generations older

Bob

01:30

@PowershellforLinux Except I can't even get grub to see my ZFS root, soooo. yea.

@allquixotic Yea, probably the same as my working CA one if you've got an -S

But your previous newer one had a similar bug, yea?

allquixotic

at one point or another

Powershell for Linux

@Bob My EFI would only see the boot manager on my non-boot drive, which Windows refused to add my real boot drive's boot thing to the bcd of

Who thinks I should apply for this job? jobs.ac.uk/job/AXR243/systems-administrator-hpc

allquixotic

(parted) print
Model: ATA HGST HUS724020AL (scsi)
Disk /dev/sda: 2000GB
Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
Partition Table: gpt
Disk Flags:

Number  Start   End     Size    File system  Name      Flags
 1      1049kB  2000GB  2000GB  zfs          ZFS
 2      2000GB  2000GB  9437kB               GRUB      bios_grub
 9      2000GB  2000GB  8462kB               Reserved

(parted) select /dev/sdc
Using /dev/sdc
(parted) print
Model: Kingston DataTraveler 3.0 (scsi)
Disk /dev/sdc: 31.0GB
Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B

but I'm 110% positive that the USB is just a recovery Debian install and is not the boot device in any capacity

no ESP but partition table is GPT format

Powershell for Linux

Uhh

allquixotic

I have 2 x 2 TB HDD in software RAID, so I guess the actual bootloader is GRUB Stage 1 in the first logical blocks of the disk, then it loads the rest from sda2

Powershell for Linux

01:34

Don't you need an ESP to boot EFI?

Bob

@allquixotic So legacy boot then?

@PowershellforLinux Not if you have a single partition, which causes EFI to boot in removable media mode (which is often glitchy too)

But I think if you have a GPT you'd need an ESP yea

allquixotic

@Bob seems like it - CSM is capable of booting in BIOS mode with a GPT disk, something you refused to believe before :P

Bob

@allquixotic Hm... I don't recall refusing to believe that...

I do remember saying Windows won't do it.

allquixotic

AH

Bob

As a policy decision by Microsoft, AFAIK

Not that it's technically impossible.

allquixotic

01:36

that's what it was... it works fine on Linux but doesn't work on Windows, right

Bob

GPT intentionally has enough of a fake MBR space for bootloaders to insert themselves

Journeyman Geek

@PowershellforLinux do it

Powershell for Linux

> For reverse compatibility, Linux can use GPT disks in BIOS-based systems for both data storage and booting, as both GRUB 2 and Linux are GPT-aware. Such a setup is usually referred to as BIOS-GPT.[30] As GPT incorporates the protective MBR, a BIOS-based computer can boot from a GPT disk using GPT-aware boot loader stored in the protective MBR's bootstrap code area.

Bob

You can boot a GPT drive from an old BIOS that doesn't understand EFI at all, given a legacy bootloader in that fake MBR

... what @PowershellforLinux just quoted :P

Powershell for Linux

@JourneymanGeek And live in a faraway town I don't want to live in just for hte money, again?

Journeyman Geek

01:37

@PowershellforLinux yes.

Powershell for Linux

If the job wasin Melbourne I'd totally go for it

Maybe I should actually look for jobs in Melbourne

Bob

@PowershellforLinux job => money => move to better place => better job

Powershell for Linux

@Bob Uhh

Bob

as the old saying goes, it's easier to find a job when you already have one :P

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Job => Money => Move to better place => ??? is where I am atm now anyway

Had job, had money, moved to a better place, now move to a worse place again for another job? confused

Sounds like a bootloop to me

Bob

01:39

@PowershellforLinux see, the problem is somewhre along th eline you forgot to get the better job :P

allquixotic

btw, I finally got all 3 of my Dell U2417H monitors set up; they're amazing

mDP -> DP "Out" (a specific socket) daisy chained, one to the next to the next, then regular DP to DP or mDP to DP to connect to the computer, and both my work laptops pick it up in MST mode

Bob

\o/

allquixotic

3 x 1080p60, smooth as non-G-Sync butter can get

Bob

lol

Powershell for Linux

@Bob Uhh yeah

Bob

01:40

the ultrasharp monitors are quite nice

allquixotic

i5-4300U and i7-4700U both drive them pretty well

Powershell for Linux

But your timeline shows move to better place before getting better job

> In case of GRUB, such a configuration requires a BIOS Boot partition for GRUB to embed its second-stage code due to absence of the post-MBR gap in GPT partitioned disks (which is taken over by the GPT's Primary Header and Primary Partition Table). Commonly 1 MiB in size, this partition's Globally Unique Identifier (GUID) in GPT scheme is 21686148-6449-6E6F-744E-656564454649 and is used by GRUB only in BIOS-GPT setups. From the GRUB's perspective, no such partition type exists in case of MBR partitioning. This partition is not required if the system is UEFI-based because no embedding of t…

Bob

@allquixotic ^ FYI & FMI supermicro uefi boot instructions

allquixotic

i7-4800MQ*

@Bob did that before :P

Bob

@allquixotic Hm?

allquixotic

01:41

my old server had that setup

Bob

This is the EFI shell/bcfg way :P

Which is apparently necessary on the new firmware

allquixotic

also I was surprised (maybe I'm just behind the times) that a 2014 Intel driver on Windows 7 64-bit on the i5-4300U box could do 3 x 1080p60 MST

Powershell for Linux

Yay for buggy UEFI

That Brazilian Guy

I just found a link to the original audio recordings of the BBC radio show of THGTTG. So... Suppose I were to link it here. On a scale from meh to OHMAGAWD PIRACY, how would it fly? cc @JourneymanGeek / @DavidPostill

Powershell for Linux

(Another reason I hate uEFI)

Bob

01:42

also, adding -b makes efi shell commands use a pager

Powershell for Linux

BIOS never had these bugs. If it existed, it booted.

allquixotic

@PowershellforLinux BIOS had a fuckton of bugs

Bob

@PowershellforLinux ...you were a lucky one, then

of course, with BIOS they weren't bugs

allquixotic

aside from being completely unable to ever boot off of a 4TB or larger partition

Bob

they were just different implementations

Powershell for Linux

01:44

@allquixotic If that's a bug then is EFI's inability to boot off 8ZiB or larger partitions a "bug" too?

That Brazilian Guy

@PowershellforLinux Give it 20 years and it will be. ;P

allquixotic

@PowershellforLinux sure, just like how Win16 can't address more than 65k RAM, Win32 can't address more than 4GB, etc... it's just that the priority of the "bug" goes from "not a single living soul cares" to "OMG THIS IS KILLING ME" as technology advances

we'll probably never (in our lifetimes, at least, with digital circuitry at least) ever reach a point where 128-bit is at all concerning in terms of its limits though

for IPv6, for the 128-bit indexes of ZFS, for a 128-bit pointer size in memory, etc... it's pretty much the end of the road, with the "limit bug" being insignificant probably almost forever

but 32-bit limits are pretty constraining in any computing resource these days

good old exponential function

16-bit didn't last long; 32-bit was venerable but easily surpassed; 64-bit is humongous and will take gargantuan efforts and incredible advances to bump against; and 128-bit is so impossibly large that it's basically the end

Bob

@allquixotic headless firefox bug is getting lots of patches :P

root@ubuntu:~# reboot
A dependency job for reboot.target failed. See 'journalctl -xe' for details.

@_@

so reboot depends on systemd and is broken

I can fix this!

*switches to kvm, set power reset*

bwDraco

...and my Nexus 5X has started to bootloop. I may not be able to recover it.

sigh

Bob

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

it booted but blank screen :(

Ben N

01:56

D:

allquixotic

Heh, I just realized that if Moore's Law could continue unhindered by the laws of physics, then the "useful life" of each bitness would be a constant

Whether it be 10 or 20 or 30 years, 16-bit would last as long as 32, 64, 128, 256, world without end

Bob

@bwDraco just LG doing LG things, eh?

allquixotic

@Bob just supermicro doing supermicro things, eh?

Bob

@allquixotic :P

I bet I have to nomodeset it again

@allquixotic In this case it might be Linux doing Linux things

YES

IT WORKS

bwDraco

@Bob Yeah. The same issue is known to affect the LG G4.

Bob

02:04

*happy dance*

@bwDraco ik. I have G4.

bwDraco

I guess I'm forced to get a OnePlus 3T.

Bob

Got the S7 to replace it before the inevitable bootloop

bwDraco

The question at this point is "how fast can OnePlus ship a new phone?"

Bob

Hm. I don't have networking :(

:O

18

Q: Why my ethernet interface is called enp0s10 instead of eth0?

Just that, when I run ifconfig -a I only get lo and enp0s10 interfaces, not the classical eth0 What does enp0s10 means? Why is there no eth0?

This world is new and scary.

bwDraco

...ordered a OnePlus 3T. 64GB, Soft Gold. I'll need a case for it, though.

Bob

02:17

uh. @bwDraco I was going to say you might want to shop around a bit. Unless you've had your eye on the OP for a while.

bwDraco

This was the phone I've had on my mind for quite a while.

Feb 16 at 13:10, by bwDraco

Well, my Nexus 5X is probably coming to the end of its service life. It will very likely be replaced with a OnePlus 3T.

Journeyman Geek

02:48

@bwDraco I'm fond of my OP3. They're good phones

Bob

03:01

that was relatively painless

which means I'm feeling pretty confident about upgrading my ca server

...I just jinxed it didn't I

Powershell for Linux

03:17

@Bob: Samsung's actually made fast charging with screen on worse under nougat.

Previously input power was limited to 6w except when the battery is below 5%, when fast charge would work at full speed.

Now it won't fast charge even at 0%

Bob

03:33

:\

Rahul2001

In the Comp Sc. Class in 11th grade, there are 25 students, out of which only 5 are girls. That's a 4:1 boy to girl ratio.

@PowershellforLinux Moto's Turbo Charging is bloody amazing. 0-100% in an hour, sometimes even lesser

Gypsy Spellweaver

@Rahul2001 I see your math skills haven't suffered from disuse.

Hope you're the big fish in that little pond.

Rahul2001

@GypsySpellweaver lol. Maths is fun!

@GypsySpellweaver I'm a guy, yes, if that's what you mean

Gypsy Spellweaver

@tereško The computer/coffee pot is a good idea. Just have to be careful of the liquids. Great way to recycle some of the heat generated by the components.

@Rahul2001 I knew that, was referring to the competition level. Good odds for the girls, plenty to pick from. Bad odds for the guys, have to find a way to stand out in the crowd.

Bob

> B2 Requires Your Account To Have A Phone Number

:S

Gypsy Spellweaver

03:48

@Bob How else can they send spam texts?

Rahul2001

@GypsySpellweaver ah, well, yeah...

My girlfriend is one of the 5 though

Gypsy Spellweaver

@Rahul2001 That's good. So, whats the ratio for the rest?

Rahul2001

04:03

@GypsySpellweaver almost 5:1

Gypsy Spellweaver

@Rahul2001 (20-1):(5-1) = 19:4 = 4.75:1, yea close to 5:1. worse odds for the rest of the guys now. Better odds for the gals. Unless one was looking at you, now her odds are nearly infinite against :D

Rahul2001

@GypsySpellweaver :P

Bob

04:18

time for server cleanu

cleanup

why do I have goldfish o.O

Rahul2001

What can we all learn from Tetris? If you try to fit in, you will disappear. However, be your natural self, and you have the power to cause immense frustration, destruction and anger... You might even beat them at their own game :P

Bob

04:31

# rm -r /root/CS_Servers

There goes 51 GB!

Journeyman Geek

05:27

lol

user226528

Huh! After 58 minutes, suddenly Journeyman Geeks comes and writes "lol". That's rich.

Journeyman Geek

58 minutes != suddenly

3

Nick

06:16

40

Q: How to download HTTP directory with all files and sub-directories as they appear on the online files/folders list?

There is an online HTTP directory that I have access to. I have tried to download all sub-directories and files via wget. But, the problem is that when wget downloads sub-directories it downloads the index.html file which contains the list of files in that directory without downloading the files ...

html http get download wget

Does anyone here know an online webapplication which will directly download the folder for me.

I just put in the link and I get the download.

I want all the contents of this directory : data.ceh.vn/CEHv9

Bob

@Nick If you need recursive subdirectory traversal, you're looking for a 'crawler'

httrack is one of the easier ones to get started with

or you could just use one of the answers over there...

bwDraco

@Bob It's required for 2FA.

Gypsy Spellweaver

@Bob Used and like httrack, but it's not an online webapplication

bwDraco

It's getting really late here. Good night.

Bob

@bwDraco 2FA is optional, but the mobile number is not. I suspect it's more to stop people from spamming the free tier.

Journeyman Geek

06:19

HEH.

bwDraco

Hmm...

Bob

@GypsySpellweaver Oh, missed that bit.

That's ... an odd requirement.

Gypsy Spellweaver

@Bob yeah

Journeyman Geek

Its funny when you see a question, click on it, and the answer is yours.

Nick

@Bob as easy as wget is, I just want to a paste and get solution. If a webapp is't made yet for this, I think I should probably make one. Would make for a nice project.

Gypsy Spellweaver

06:22

@Nick And get all kinds of copyright holders very upset, not to mention the bandwidth you'd use.

Nick

@GypsySpellweaver google this -> intitle:"Index of" movies

You no longer need torrents. Direct downloads ahoy

I'm not stealing anything here. I'm just helping is all.

Journeyman Geek

"helping"

@Nick so you essentially double the bandwidth you use + storage ;p

Nick

@JourneymanGeek mhh... ok, I sound dumb when you point that out.Here's an even dumber question... Is there anyway I can invoke the wget command from the client system? Security lol

Journeyman Geek

ssh?

Gypsy Spellweaver

@JourneymanGeek client system

Journeyman Geek

06:27

._.

I'm missing something then

You can just run wget on anything ;p

Gypsy Spellweaver

Web site link triggers browser to invoke wget

Journeyman Geek

ah.

er. why would you want to do that though?

You wouldn't always have wget in the same location

Nick

@JourneymanGeek Hi there, I'm just your average everyday friendly website that wants to ssh into your system and invoke a command that you're too lazy to type. Ofcourse I won't steal your valuables.

Gypsy Spellweaver

Preformat the proper line to download the URL supplied by the user

Journeyman Geek

AH

^ that

but the problem there is you can't assume every system has wget, or they want to use that or curl...

And you might as well run wget dodgyscript.sh and run it

bwDraco

06:30

So, how to cope with having no phone for the next few days, especially given that I have a photo assignment tomorrow? I probably won't have my OP3T until at least Friday.

Nick

@GypsySpellweaver Is that theoretically possible?

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco don't you have something old as a spare temporarily?

bwDraco

Sadly not.

Nick

@bwDraco get a handy ham radio. All calls are free.

Gypsy Spellweaver

@Nick Not likely. JS is rather tight. Maybe with Flash, but doubt that too.

bwDraco

06:32

I have access to campus Wi-Fi, but the airwaves don't quite reach the job location.

Gypsy Spellweaver

@bwDraco Why not skype for a while. or google talk. Still don't help photos. Got a laptop? Use the webcam.

Nick

@GypsySpellweaver What I'm seeking does sound like the biggest security flaw in existence. I mean, if you could remotely run commands on a system, you might as well ftp your clients nudes onto your server and blackmail him with it.

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco what do you need it for?

could manage without I guess.

bwDraco

Just basic communication, just to stay safe.

Journeyman Geek

ah

Gypsy Spellweaver

06:34

@Nick If you wanna blackmail him, make his box download the nasty stuff. Leaves a trail for the authorities to follow. Don't have to assume he has bad pics, give him some instead.

Nick

@GypsySpellweaver he could purge/rm it as soon as I upload it to his system.

This is all assuming I have access to his/her system.

Gypsy Spellweaver

The ISP logs and/or the source server will still have the trail. Especially if it's a government honeypot :D

bwDraco

I always have a Nexus 9 tablet with me. It's not the LTE model, though.

Hence, I have an AT&T Nano-SIM that's completely unused for the time being.

Journeyman Geek

does it so any cellular networking?

ah, wifi only

I'm a bit slow today

Nick

@Bob Just used it. Kind of messy because it downloads everything and more. Using wget is easier and frankly, neater.

@GypsySpellweaver Thankfully I don't hate anyone enough to do that... yet

Gypsy Spellweaver

06:46

@Nick That's good. Hope you never get there either.

Bob

man

djsmiley2k

i'm guessing it thinks the yellow stripy bars are a sign

Bob

why are we talking about blackmail

Gypsy Spellweaver

@Bob Skip is the proper choice.

BTW< I don't like those things

Bob

@GypsySpellweaver Yea, but sometimes it's a toss-up whether Google agrees with the correct choice -_-

Gypsy Spellweaver

06:54

Of the three choice for those tests, I think the one I dislike the least is the one where you have to type in the numbers from address signs.

Bob

@GypsySpellweaver I hat ethe ones with slowly fading and replaced images.

It takes bloody forever.

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