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11:01 AM
there's a java joke hidden somewhere x)
 
Is it connected to the net?
Maybe NetBeans?
Remember the coffee bean wall paper in windows?
Been real, been fun. It's headed towards 1200, got a few chores to finish before my nap. Ta-ta.
 
@GypsySpellweaver seems like a terrible idea
better get an miniITX so that you have room for coffeemaker
 
@djsmiley2k ._.
 
11:23 AM
@JourneymanGeek I know rite :(
 
42
Q: Can Superman get drunk?

Tango AlphaIs Superman able to get drunk? A lot of characters in comics, like Captain America or Wolverine, are shown not being able to get drunk, but what happens when a Kryptonian starts to drink? Has he ever been drunk in comics?

 
I mean. If he did not know what it was... Why not flip the switch?
 
@JourneymanGeek hmmm
what if it was the 240V/110V switch
flippin it may not be so wise
 
Ah. True. But clearly he did not consider that.
At the very least he would confirm his PC is no longer functioning
 
he probably heard to not flip the switch behind the computer.
 
11:51 AM
Who's good with DNS? (other than me)
i'm pretty sure that this shouldn't be like this
and it should have the ns record, and then @ A xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
but the second part of the problem is more fun - what IP can you use, that'll never respond?
so that rules out 127.x, all the class C's as well...
 
@djsmiley2k 0.0.0.0
 
Does named accept it?
@   IN  NS  ns.david.com.
this line
pretty sure it's wrong some how xD
 
dammit, linux redirects 0.0.0.0 to localhost.
 
heh
 
user226528
 
user226528
11:59 AM
This is how this chatroom looks in Open Sans font.
 
0
Q: Is there a way to turn on asrock H81 Pro BTC without dummy HDMI or monitor?

Jim Thiohttps://forum.z.cash/t/asrock-h81-pro-btc-version-2-bios/12236/15 Says you need that. They even requires that to get stuff booted. I wonder why. Some says that I should simply enable motherboard GPU. The thing is if I do that, most overclocking software like wattman, afterburner, and stuff can...

too localised?
I'm sure there'd prob a dupe too
I can't find a dupe with a good accepted answer however.
 
12:16 PM
@djsmiley2k actually, "linux redirects 0.0.0.0 to localhost." is false, it's just the behavior of ping 0 that pings the first interface of localhost.
 
@FleetCommand that's actually not bad
 
@Magisch If it makes you feel any happier, it's Linux at home :P
 
and btw, fun fact : ping 134744072 works.
 
user226528
12:41 PM
@JourneymanGeek Verdana is my least favorite font. That's what this page is using now. Open Sans, however, looks very much like Calibre and is free.
 
Bob
Hm.
Ok, so I have a couple servers I want to back up. Say, ~500 GB data total. Suggestions?
Doesn't have to be uber-high availability but it's more like long term archival storage that I'm after.
 
@Bob IIRC you said LTO drives were feasibly inexpensive near you? :P
 
Bob
@bertieb Remote servers (US)
 
@FleetCommand Is that the same as Calibri? (what I'm using).
 
Bob
I don't have hardware access... so pretty much need internet/cloud storage
 
12:48 PM
@Bob rsync → local tape ? ;P
 
@FleetCommand I usually favour the source fonts
 
Bob
@bertieb Have you ever tried downloading 500 GB at ~1 MB/s? would not recommend.
 
user226528
@DavidPostill It looks very much like it. But at the same nominal size, Calibri is smaller than other fonts.
 
user226528
@JourneymanGeek Like Source Sans Pro?
 
Bob
If I could use something local, I have like 20 TB of free space
 
12:49 PM
@Bob I was toying with veeam but....
 
Bob
but the transfer rates kill it :\
 
You probably need rsync
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek Oh, I don't care about backup programs. I could rsync it or ftp it for all that matters.
I'm asking about cloud/VPS storage options :P
I'm just trying to decommission a server but I need to dump the disks somewhere just in case :P
 
@Bob Ah! How long archiving for? B2 from BackBlaze maybe?
 
Bob
@bertieb Looked at it, the transfer costs kill it :(
If I ever want to retrieve said 500 GB, that's $25 a pop
Hm. Actually that's not too terrible
 
12:53 PM
@FleetCommand yup
 
Bob
@bertieb Ok, sold! :P
 
@Bob If your server was running Windows or OSX (i know, I know, for whatever reason) you could use their 'Personal Backup' service, might might work out cheaper if you anticipate having to restore
@Bob Hurrah! Now, if only I worked on commission... :D
 
Bob
@bertieb Debian host... and I'd just use onedrive in that case :P
 
@Bob Aye, fair 'nuff. Sadly, no plans to support Linux and doesn't work in Wine; probably for obvious reason of eating into them selling B2
 
Bob
> Businesses can get 1TB of storage for $600 per month
whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
 
12:58 PM
Was going to use their personal backup myself but no Linux support is a dealbreaker
 
Bob
For that price I might as well rent half a dozen dedi servers and make my own geo-distributed storage
 
B2?
 
Bob
@bertieb I generally don't do cloud backups... many TB of data with ~80kB/s up. Yea.
@bertieb Nah, some other company
SpiderOak
 
Oh, them
@Bob Ouch; tin cans and string?
 
Bob
@bertieb Also known as Telstra copper
 
1:00 PM
:P
 
Bob
The promised fibre is cancelled and replaced with four-years-late HFC due late next year
 
I'm trying to remember if you said they were doing FTTN ah, welp, that sucks until next year whenever it actually happens
I'm sure it won't be horribly contended either
 
Bob
@bertieb Of course not, how could it possibly be?
(I'm fully expecting it to give me worse down than ADSL2+ during peak)
 
If it makes you feel any better (though I'm not sure how it would...), Aus is still way above here in global mobile broadband rankings...
 
1:18 PM
Hi
 
Hi!
 
Bob
@bertieb Eh, about that...
 
@Bob I'm using google drive becaus... why not
Also SoYouStart is cheap (OVH storage company)
if you want an actual vps storage solution (i.e server + storage)
 
Bob
@djsmiley2k Yea, as I said, I could use onedrive. But that's not great long-term, for a few reasons
Didn't know SYS did storage though, that might be worth looking at
 
@Bob Heh
Reading the blurb on my S4 LTE-A the justification was, much easier to allow 150Mbit LTE Cat-4 with 2x10Mhz because "very few operators have access to a single contiguous 20Mhz block"
Australia: Operators have like FIVE 20Mhz blocks EACH
 
Bob
1:24 PM
@PowershellforLinux Weren't you the one who said they have the spectrum but no idea what to do with it? :P
 
I wouldn't mind dropping down to 3 LTE operators here also, or even 2. Much more spectrum available per operator
@Bob Not those words exactly :-P
More like they seem to be pretty useless with utilising it properly, since they get half the speed of the UK with double the spectrum
One of the UK operators seems to like buying up spectrum just to take it out of the hands of their competitors, and never actually use it themselves
 
Bob
@PowershellforLinux Oh, I see you have a Telstra-clone
 
@Bob lol!
We call them Vodafone here >_>
TBH Telstra still seem a ton more competent than Vodafone UK
They have LTE on what, 3? 4? bands already? Vodafone has 1
 
Bob
@PowershellforLinux Funny thing, that. Vodafone AU has the least spectrum.
 
They bought something like 100Mhz of spectrum (the vast majority of it) in 5 different bands, and are using a grand total of... 1x10Mhz
In a few small areas they've added a second 10Mhz using their old 3G2100 spectrum they bought 15 years ago but never used, because they're too lazy to deploy new antennas to support the 45Mhz of 2.6Ghz they bought
 
@Bob Yeah that'll be our O2 clone
 
Bob
fack
the ubuntu server iso has no live mode
 
Bob
and I'm only using it cause debootstrap works fine from it and I cbf trying to get uefi + zfs to work on deb jessie live :P
 
No, and there's no cli livedisk either
 
1:32 PM
@Bob :-o
Just use the console?
I mean what distinguises a "live mode" from a console anyway?
 
@M.A.R. according to the purvayors of dying media
@M.A.R. so in other words... 'IGNORE THE INTERNET..... HERE, we have paper forms of communication!'
 
Bob
@PowershellforLinux a live mode actually boots into the OS
the installer isn't a full OS (no apt, etc)
I'll be using tty1/tty2 anyway
no patience for a GUI over IPMI KVM... laggy crap
 
Funny enough Telefonica UK which has the least 4G spectrum are using 150% of it everywhere.
 
@djsmiley2k Meh, I'm not ready to discard it as easily because it might wanna sell me stuff. It has a point
 
Bob
damn, htis is the slowest downlaod ever
 
1:34 PM
Vodafone who bought the most are using less than 20% of theirs. EE who bought less but own the most historically are using at least 50% of theirs
 
Bob
why does it think I'm in the US
fail
 
@Bob Fine for me! When I was on 100Mbps fibre >_>
@Bob AUS. They think it's an ancilliary US colony.
 
Bob
@PowershellforLinux ...actually maybe I should try :P
the US/default mirror was doing 1-2 MB/s
switched to an AU mirror, now it's doing 35 MB/s :D
 
@Bob No don't
 
Bob
(to an au azure vm)
 
1:36 PM
Remember last time you "tried" something I suggested?
 
Bob
@PowershellforLinux I got an updated phone?
 
@Bob Err, yeah, and lost some data in the process >_>
And a lot of sleep
 
@M.A.R. can I ask how old you are?
I've seen the internet 'lost' to trolls two or three times
 
Bob
@PowershellforLinux I'm not entirely sure what data was lost... a bunch of downloads I'll probably never find again, I guess. Yea, the sleep's gone. I did end up finding all the photos on the SD card though :D
 
first comes the commenting, then the ddos
and we move on and find a new platform
Meanwhile I still use IRC daily
the trolls are gone mostly, they dont' bother as the audience doesn't care what they say
 
1:38 PM
@Bob Thought you said the videos weren't on the SD though?
 
those who are easily harrassed are continuing to do so, but on other mediums
 
Bob
@djsmiley2k Ohhhh there's plenty of trolls, just have to be in a populated public room
 
@djsmiley2k Not everyone is as seasoned as you. They engage
 
@djsmiley2k I misread that as "dildos" :-/
 
Bob
*cough* #firefox *cough*
 
1:39 PM
They have a town called dildo in Canadia
 
@M.A.R. but .... some yesterday commented how interesting it was to be able to grow up with the internet, 'everywhere'
I imagine the trolling needed to get to most of these people, is far harder
than it was previously
 
@PowershellforLinux And one naming "Fucking" in Austria. Not pronounced like the normal "effing" tho'
 
Bob
why does ubuntu live come with a beta version of grub
canonical pls
 
@PowershellforLinux o_O
 
I deja vu'd
 
1:39 PM
@Bob grub2?
 
Bob
@djsmiley2k ya
idk
 
because 0.97 is deprecaited
 
@Bob Cause ubuntu itself is just a snapshot of debian-unstable?
 
Bob
> no signal
 
did you not know your doing it wrong if you have a stable product?
 
Bob
1:40 PM
I broke it
:(
 
Srsly tho @Bob what do you concider 'stable' for grub?
 
Bob
@djsmiley2k haven't got a clue, I just remember it crashing and burning every time I try to use it
 
the one that doesn't support most forms of mdadm raids, lvm, etc?
Oh appently it's a lot better (I still use 0.97 on all my systems so meh)
 
is there such a thing as a hard drive cage that doesn't cost $TEXAS?
 
1:42 PM
@bertieb Yes
 
Bob
Dec 25 '16 at 3:35, by Bob
grub technically supports zfs boot, but grub is also a flaming pile of shit, so...
 
@bertieb duct tape
 
Mine cost £15
 
@djsmiley2k If I was going to do it right wrong I would at least hack some mounting rails out of an ITX tower :P
 
Bob
1:44 PM
@PowershellforLinux it doesn't work when you do it :(
 
@PowershellforLinux What is it and how can I give them my money?
 
welp thats..... random?
 
@Bob I was waiting for you to do it :-(
Jesus, my dGPU is using 29w, IDLING
no wonder my laptop's warm
Fuck you Chrome
 
Bob
@PowershellforLinux can we swap
I'm freezing here
> Depending on your kernel, your distribution, your graphics card, and the phase of the moon, note that using this option may cause GNU/Linux to suffer from various display problems
 
@PowershellforLinux also, was it internal or external?
 
1:53 PM
@bertieb both
I have like tent
 
Bob
oh cool
 
@Bob freezing in Australia, is this even possible?
 
Bob
next time I complain about ubuntu failing to boot, tell me to use nomodeset
@PowershellforLinux I consider 19 deg C freezing :P
 
Do you mean it's like, 15'c?
facepalm
 
@PowershellforLinux next question: is it an off-the-shelf product or something you bodged (no disrespect intended, I just like the word) together yourself?
 
Bob
1:56 PM
\o/
 
@bertieb the ones I bodged cost £0
@Bob my motorcycle equipment now allows me to not freeze in temperatures down to 6'c!
 
Bob
hm. currently 19 feels like 17
maybe only wearing tshirt isn't helping
now I wish I had my old furnace of a computer :P
 
currently 19C here
too warm already
 
Bob
lol
 
I'm in a tshirt and still it's too warm for me
I have a thing that makes my body make extra heat
 
1:59 PM
@PowershellforLinux Fair enough; any tips on what to look for? The ones I'm seeing start around £30. There's a few that are mounting rails alone which are a bit tshirt cheaper
(note to self, don't read other messages when typing reply)
@Magisch Overactive thyroid?
 
not sure what its called
But I like working out in the winter more because I dont get heatstroke
 
Fair enough
 
@PowershellforLinux ??
 
Ahaha. Saw someone post this on facebook and my instant reaction was lol camera perspective effetcs...
Googled it and found this
SURPRISE! Same bridge, different perspective
Your trick photography sk1llz can't fool me
@Bob 11'c here, and I class that as mildly warm
 
Bob
-_-
 
@PowershellforLinux which bit is an illusion?
 
Ladies should be out in miniskirts in this weather
 
2:17 PM
i'm confused.
I'll be out in my miniskirt later :P
 
guys, internet connection in my workplace is monitored, I hooked up my LT to the network, I have a hotspot program, now can pages accessed by phones connected to this hotspot be monitored too?
 
@djsmiley2k The bit where they go OMG ITS SO STEEP ITS LIKE A COLA ROASTER ROLLERCOASTER
 
@PowershellforLinux Nah man that can give them a bladder infection if they sit down on the still very cold surfaces
 
Bob
@SamIbraheem short answer: yes. longer answer: yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees
You could be leaking indo (DNS requests, etc.) over the corp network
 
2:23 PM
@PowershellforLinux here's a joke for you : i.redd.it/zxwogua5depy.jpg
 
Bob
Even if you aren't, and they can't see your network traffic at all, they still own the machine and can install any monitoring software they like on it.
 
assume everything you do in the corporate network is monitored
even my company has the hardware facilities to easily do that
 
@Magisch ... wait a second
 
Bob
@Magisch assume everything you do in the corporate machine is monitored
 
2:24 PM
THAT IS WHERE ALL THE MONEY WENT!
 
Bob
doesn't matter if you avoid the network by using a hotspot
 
@Bob and on a private machine connected to the corporate network
 
@SamIbraheem good rule of thumb. Don't do anything on a work pc or at work you wouldn't want work knowing about
 
@Bob thaaaaaaaaaaaaanks, but does monitoring happens server side or client side?
 
@JourneymanGeek nah.
 
2:25 PM
@SamIbraheem you go through 7 proxies proxies, gateways...
 
TOR MOTHERF ERS
 
there' s so many ways for the to snoop at your ...
@PowershellforLinux you're being remarkably foulmouthed today.
 
@PowershellforLinux only works if your corporate firewall isn't setup to block that
 
nOT EVEN THE nsa CAN MONI... oh wait
 
(dude, people check this site at work...)
 
2:26 PM
also, mind your tone a little this is a professional-ish chatroom
 
Bob
oh god
here Ithought "oh I'll just put my public keys in"
 
@JourneymanGeek LOL I'm just trying to watch YT courses but they won't let me
 
Bob
except now I realise I really don't want to type a public key
what do
 
@SamIbraheem they probably don't want people watching youtube at work
 
@SamIbraheem Both sides and everywhere in between
 
2:28 PM
one good thing here is that the bosses all have 0 idea about how computers/IT work
so we have a semi-reasonable thing going on
 
don't wanna get fired, let's just stick with quora and SE
 
@JourneymanGeek It's all the inconsiderate dogs fouling in my mouth that's causing it
@Bob Siri it?
Or that new samsung Bixby AI "Bixby, translate my public key into a QR code!
 
... that's just wrong. Dude.
 
Bob
@PowershellforLinux gist + goo.gl = profit
 
2:35 PM
@PowershellforLinux I tried to work at apple, but got rejected
"Sorry, we don't have Jobs anymore."
 
... booo
 
2:50 PM
bye, it's the day-end.
 
3:02 PM
hm
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek hm?
root@gaia:~# uptime
 15:17:03 up 393 days,  7:57,  2 users,  load average: 0.16, 0.13, 0.16
O_O
I should probably update that server...
 
3:19 PM
@Bob security holes for everyone
One of our server (the internal DB mainframe) hasn't been restarted since 2012
 
@Bob windows time lept forward an hour.
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek wasn't there something with the timeservers? mentioned in TCR
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek just steam'd you the permalink
 
ah. I'm on my laptop
(no steam... yet)
 
Bob
3:28 PM
@JourneymanGeek gitter'd too :P
 
Gigger? Steam? I feel left out :-(
Y u no snapchat
 
@PowershellforLinux we were talking about doing matrix/synapse
 
Bob
my new server is halfway up
 
I should get a new server
OVH have some new Kaby Lake boxes, and heck even Hetzner has basically my existing server for 1/2 the money
And money is something I'm fairly short on atm
Could do with looking for a job
But I don't want a job
 
Bob
@PowershellforLinux job now means more $$$ later means more fun for longer
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  systemd-container
0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 157 not upgraded.
Need to get 649 kB of archives.
After this operation, 2,593 kB of additional disk space will be used.
Get:1 archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-updates/universe amd64 systemd-container amd64 229-4ubuntu16 [649 kB]
Fetched 649 kB in 2s (273 kB/s)
Selecting previously unselected package systemd-container.
(Reading database ... 198161 files and directories currently installed.)
getting there
 
3:31 PM
@PowershellforLinux I want a job ;p
 
@Bob I told myself that 3 years ago before I moved to a well paid job in a city i hated living in
That's the problem with this whole depression business though, there's no point to any long-term forward planning when you have no desire or motivation to stick around long enough to benefit.
Which is why i want my pension contributions back
 
@djsmiley2k NZ right?
 
bye folks
 
@Bob Is this worse?
 
3:40 PM
I know about postgres but not enough for that question
 
Bob
root@mnt:/# apt install zfs-dkms zfs-initramfs
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following additional packages will be installed:
  binutils busybox bzip2 cpp cpp-6 dh-python distro-info-data dkms fakeroot
  file gcc gcc-6 initramfs-tools initramfs-tools-core klibc-utils libasan3
  libatomic1 libc-dev-bin libc6-dev libcc1-0 libcilkrts5 libexpat1 libfakeroot
  libgcc-6-dev libgomp1 libisl15 libitm1 libklibc liblsan0 libmagic-mgc
  libmagic1 libmpc3 libmpdec2 libmpfr4 libmpx2 libnvpair1linux
ow
 
Hold on, trying to get a screenshot but my out of date windows server is inaccessible because THANKS HACKERS
 
Is it worse because it's Windows Desktop and hasn't been updated/restarted in that time?
I think the hacker induced memory leaks properly broke it this time, I can't get in via either local or remote console
Meanwhile my Windows 8.1 Server (2012 R2) is still standing... maybe I should really upgrade from W10 to W2016 server for my server
I mean it used to be the same kernel with just different software/package configurations but actually there seems to be a big stability difference now
 
Bob
Jun 12 '15 at 0:49, by Bob
System Boot Time:          27/02/2015, 9:12:19 AM
Mine was only 105, but it was also actively used as my main desktop... hm :P
 
3:48 PM
@Bob This one's being actively used as my remote desktop
 
Bob
That was back when I was scared to reboot cause half the time it'd fail to boot
 
Which was my main desktop until I got a laptop that's more powerful than my previous laptop and desktop combined
@Bob I'm afraid to reboot it because I've forgotten how many/what other machines/servers/etc. I've botched to rely on it
At one point, the server was the NFS storage for the virtual host it was running on, meaning if the VM went down the virtual host machine would permahang because Xenserver can't deal with unclean NFS disconnections -_-
Heck it's probably still the case, but I can't access the vm host to check because the only ssh key I have for it is on the virtual desktop box I can't access
Fuck
 
This is what happens when you layer bodge on top of bodge on top of hack on top of another temporary quick bodge for eleven years straight
 
that reminds me
I need to look at getting some NFS storage up somewhere ._.
 
3:54 PM
@JourneymanGeek You can have mine, since I can't access it anyway
Oh wait, router/firewall configuration also can only be accessed from the inaccessible virtual desktop.
Well actually I could fire up my VPN to do it
 
(@PowershellforLinux I need it so I can run backups, which need to be transferred home
could also do smb over the internet for veeam but...
that feels wrong
 
SMB has more security than NFS tbh
 
not actually that worried. I'm doubtful anyone would care ;p
 
SMB basically uses TLS by default on anything >W7 anyway
 
ah, the "best" option I have is a seagate nas.
 
3:58 PM
Blargh. SO much undone server stuff, it overflowed my todo list and caused it to wrap round to zero again
 
its the biggest chunk of perma on storage I have
lol
I knocked a huge chunk off my todo list
 
Forgot I had to move fileserver to virtual desktop, delete fileserver, recreate fileserver as w2016, move fileserver function back to dedicated fs vm, move windows 10 vm to HDD storage, move fs vm to ssd storage, fs vm to new remote virtual desktop on ssd, reinstall everything
 
Bob
I flubbed the install
typical
 
I do not have time to install/restore/migrate six VMs between now and the end of this rihanna song
@Bob you forgot apt install zfs?
Oh yeah have to migrate openwrt build vhd to hdd as well. but I have no nfs server to attach the hdd to. catch 222222
And no SSD space to put the new NFS VMs. Catch 2222222222222222222
Yeah lets just buy a new server. This is always the solution to when you can't find enough HDD/SDD space to make the changes required to restart your current server.
Also since Bob/allquixotic pointed out ublock to me I probably don't need as much RAM in my virtual host anyway
 
Bob
@PowershellforLinux no, that doesn't work
the kernel module build broke
 
4:02 PM
@Bob Hmm
 
Bob
it might be cause I'm trying to debootstrap and then compile for debian stretch from ubuntu xenial
 
I always just did install ubuntu-zfs, which autoinstalls and builds the kernel modules
And dealt with all the prerequisites and stuff
Because I no 1337 enough to manually build Linux stuff at my age
Heck I'm so un-1337 I can't even figure out how to login to Windows 10
 
Bob
oh the package is called zfs-linux
good to know
 
@Bob Oh
it used to be called ubuntu-zfs iirc
But I haven't evolved past Ubuntu 14.04.1 yet
 
Bob
wait that's the source package
@PowershellforLinux I'm installing debian
 
4:05 PM
Oh
This kitty got rescued somewhere in Australia today
YAY
Managed to get back into my Windows 10 Desktop Server without rebooting it
Just needed to find enough backdoors to remotely kill the remote desktop service and wait for it to restart itself -_-
Chrome really needs to do something to mitigate these memory leaks...
Granted, the browser probably wasn't designed for 150 days uptime
Then again, nothing these days is. Lazy developers just assume everything gets restarted every few days anyway, to avoid having to actually make robust applications
Now I completely forgot why I was trying to access my server in the first place
 
tbh webpages need to use less ram
 
4:28 PM
@djsmiley2k I'd just keep opening more of them till I ran out of RAM again tbh
 

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