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Can't find the article on my phone buuuuut ms is taking it slow. Either use update assistant or a 1607 iso/usb/CD to bootstrap.
00:15
@bwDraco What's that
Hard to believe that they can make a 600W 80 PLUS Gold supply that small.
00:29
Since when was working for Microsoft a bad thing, not that I do work for them, they couldn't afford but still. Wish I permlinked that comment....
Before I flagged it
When I help somebody like @Bob with his own enterprise installation I know my comments about the VLC and version (1511/1607) are helpful if I could smash something I would that's how angry that "shrill comment" made me
@LonnieBest has a serious problem with me. Solutions ignoring the user, doesn't help, wild comments from no-place are submitted by the user towards me that personally attacks my integrity
Hopefully my answer to this question, superuser.com/questions/1113006/…, can either be deleted or disconnected from my account,
Want nothing to do @LonnieBest. He has crossed a line that NEVER be resolved by attacking my integrity..
00:48
@JourneymanGeek the helper app appears to have done the job
Bob
Bob
floof.
Cisco VPN Client breaks Windows VPN Client.
joy of joys.
Where's my hammer.
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01:16
microsoft kb...
Step 1: "Uninstall the TCP/IP protocol."
wat.
 
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02:48
Mornin'
 
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03:56
It's so quiet in here :(
 
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05:06
Lol. Looks like you guys are missing me already.
 
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07:37
morning
sometimes i miss windows update in win7
"what does KB59798468461349846548789468551198 actually do..." a quick google and "ah this prevents microsoft from killing kittens, i probably should install that one"
08:01
wow the first post queue jumped up 100 question in 5 minutes!
08:23
Y U ALL R BEING SO QUIET?
Uh... I need some help with PHP
... again
Mornin'
@DavidPostill Hi!
So, if $postno=0
I want the blog to display $title0
Similarly, if $postno=2, it should display $title2
@Rahul2001 Me no speak PHP
But I don't know how to go about this in PHP
@DavidPostill lol
@Burgi Help me out when you're free?
Bob
Bob
08:48
Ewwwwwwwww
@Rahul2001 use arrays. Please.
Don't make me go over there to slap you
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A set of variables differing by index means arrays or maps. Trying to access variables by changing names? That way lies madness.
09:37
@Bob argh. not really possible with the current system ... :/
damnit php
10:15
@Rahul2001 you should ask this on so....
I just got an email which advertises IT security stuff and has a big fat link in it to "Download a free ebook on IT security"
Dunno
I mean...
One rolled back as @thims edited out the spam link :/
Let's download it!
Dog
Dog
I'm on fire
10:23
Literally?
Silly catdogcat.... It's Firefoxen....
On my wayyyyyy home....
Dog
Dog
10:42
Fiiireeee
I know! I should call myself Firedog¬!
11:08
@Burgi yay
Dog
Dog
11:25
Delicious tasty hotdog firedog
Have no fear! There's a dog on fire here!
Err, I mean have no fear, Firedog is here!
Well OK, they're basically the same thing, but one does sound snazzier than the other
@Dog Time for a new avatar?
:)
11:46
That looks grate
It's a firedog ;P
Dog
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12:32
There don't seem to be any pictures on Google of actual dogs on fire
Just artistic renderings...
This is a good thing.
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Dog
1 min ago, by Dog
user image
But he's so majestic!
> Rivet Networks, the company behind the Killer Wireless WLAN card, which are used in many high-end gaming rigs, is releasing a new Ethernet controller. The Killer E2500 is supposed to provide an extraordinary stable and fast connection, it also is accompanied by the new Killer Control-Center.
Yippeekayay. Because the 0.1ms latency of regular onboard ethernet controllers is so extraordinarily not fast enough
@JourneymanGeek True, but he didn't look very hard :/
@DavidPostill I hope you didn't
@JourneymanGeek No. But my first google search had some :/
My first seach wasn't for "firedog".
Dog
Dog
This doesn't really count
And I'm pretty sure this is photoshopped
This is a horse
And I really can't tell if this is real or not:
Hey @JourneymanGeek, I have a question for you...
Dog
Dog
Do the laptops in Singapore come with "UK" style keyboards, or is there some sorta special "Singaporean" layout?
@Dog US/International
Dog
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12:59
Like "US English" or "AU English"
Ah ok
That's good
so @ where 2 is and so on
but bar enter keys, not __| style return keys
Dog
Dog
Eh, not too bad. My current laptop has been retrofitted with a US layout keyboard cause I couldn't get hold of a UK one at the time. Almost used to it now.
I used to run a UK style keyboard with a US style layout
Dog
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Also the Qantas business class lounge in Singapore airport apparently has some super famous chef serving up the best lounge food in the world, so I need an excuse to fly there
@Dog I work in MBS now ;p
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13:01
@JourneymanGeek Manchester Business School?
Oh the hotel with a boat on the roof
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Nice
least for the next 2 months
then got knows
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Tech related? Or generic hospitality job
tech related
Helping install new machines for now
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13:40
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@Bob Pretty sure we went through that last year :-P
Dec 7 '15 at 13:34, by qasdfdsaq
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lol
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(Hence where I got the boat on top joke from)
Also @Bob, do you use an adblocker on your phone?
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@Dog ya
FF Mobile + ABP
Dog
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Ah, plugin, not global then?
Bob
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13:44
ya
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Hmm. I need something to block apps in non-browser apps :-/
Also I'd be so tempted to buy the Samsung Tabpro S if it weren't for the fact it's only available with a Core M3
Bob
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@Dog There's a few out there but I never really felt the need to.
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> The UltraSharp 30 OLED will ship by the end of March 2016 for $4,999.
It's now September... :-|
@Bob hotel with bomb shelter? why?
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@Dog They obviously slipped a digit. 2061.
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13:49
@Bob Hah.
More like 2106
@Dog adaway.org - couldn't live without it! (requires root)
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@ThatBrazilianHeadlessHorse Ah, thanks. Got root.
@Dog It blocks based on host and support multiple, updateable host lists
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Host-based blocking is... kinda meh.
S'pose it works for the big ones.
Might wanna slap an in-browser blocker in too to get rid of the extra spaces.
14:02
@Bob It works exceptionally well for in-app ads.
I don't do much web browsing on mobile.
Bob
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@ThatBrazilianHeadlessHorse That would be mostly/all Google, yea?
@Bob oh, sweet summer child...
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@ThatBrazilianHeadlessHorse Hm? I vaguely recall some Google policy for ad services on Play.
If you're going around sideloading apps with ads, all I have is a meh for you.
Bob
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Oh, Airpush is still around o.O
could've sworn Google locked them out a while back
Yea, pretty sure the vast majority of in-app ads are Google-served.
@ThatBrazilianHeadlessHorse wondering, do you use streaming music services?
14:14
@Bob I had a 10k+ song collection on Grooveshark when it died.
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@ThatBrazilianHeadlessHorse do you use any now? :P
I mocked people who used youtube as a music streaming service, but it is "benefited" by the "well, everyone is there so lets use it" effect
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@ThatBrazilianHeadlessHorse I use it because some music is only on youtube
-_-
@Bob I like some obscure music and bandcamp is really good for it.
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@ThatBrazilianHeadlessHorse hm... not really used them
14:16
But you can only sign up after your first purchase there. Weirdest business decision ever, IMHO
It's not a "streaming service" per se, it's more of "myspace band pages done right"
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:S
how well do they do playlists?
thing I like about youtube (and spotify) is user-created playlists
They don't. They do albums, and only that.
Bob
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ow
yea... that'd be a pain to find new music on
You can listen unlimited on web, or a handful times on mobile, and then you buy the albums
I have used deezer for a short while and had a good impression
Every time I tried spotify, the playlist interface confused me. Every. Damn. Time.
I also use TuneIn, which is a web / app wrapper for live streaming, but really well organized.
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14:19
@ThatBrazilianHeadlessHorse huh. confused?
Sometimes, when I find a good artist, I'll go through their albums.
We ain't got no spotify in India
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Often, a goof half the songs aren't like the one I liked -_-
Sometimes, the artist doesn't even have any albums. Maybe a dozen singles, or occasionally none at all.
...listening to someone else's playlist is so much easier.
@Bob Yes, I can't make sense of what is a playlist, what is the current play queue, if such different concepts exist, if I add a song where does it end, if it will play next or play at the end
Pro tip: everytime a website asks you to share to facebook but you don't want to come of as a dork, select "only me" in the "share too..." drop down menu :)
Every other native and web player this is intuitive. It's the damn core function! But on spotify, it's unintuitive. For me, at least.
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14:21
@ThatBrazilianHeadlessHorse uhm. a playlist is a persistent thing. a play queue (there's a hamburger-ish button) is what's going to play next.
when you play a song in a playlist, it replaces the rest of hte queue with the list
there's also an add-to-queue context menu option on each song
@Bob Yes. I expect those stuff to behave like that. Can't remember exactly what it is with spotify, I only used it 3 or 4 times at friends places, but it is not as I expect a music service to behave.
It's been months and months since the last time. Maybe I am remembering wrong.
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@ThatBrazilianHeadlessHorse maybe a really old version? :S
But I do remember, clearly, being frustrated.
Might try later someday
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14:23
@ThatBrazilianHeadlessHorse I remember the old web-based version was pretty confusing.
New one seems better.
Desktop app has never really been a problem. Ditto for mobile.
@Bob Yes, I am speaking about the web version.
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But I generally care more about the music available than the interface.
Never touched any other form of spotify (I think I used the app a couple years ago)
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That said, I find GPM far, far worse when it comes to managing saved songs/playlists :\
@Bob Grooveshark had lots and lots of rare stuff, rare versions from famous bands, hard-to-find songs from niche bands.... ;______;
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14:25
@ThatBrazilianHeadlessHorse That it did. Also, illegal :P
YT is in a similar situation :\
^ that's the web version (on the right side)
I'll try it later. I shouldn't even be here, I'm in the middle of a mobile dev class. :P
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o.O
@allquicatic: let's not forget that bounty
This wretched Snapdragon 808 runs so damn hot, it throttles after just a few seconds of load. Unbelievable. 🙁
14:42
This is going to be very useful in the not-so-distant future: giveawayoftheday.com/1avstreamer-2
@Rahul2001 just use obs and twitch/youtube live?
@arda Classy geeks don't use twitch, they set up their own server :P
@Rahul2001 I can't read it since they block people who use adblockers
@JourneymanGeek The reddit thread: reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/52v7k7/…
> “Hey, we need the police stat, to the hospital. We have a family member with a gun.”

This is the call that a staff member at Tomball Regional Medical Center put in 11 months ago, when George Pickering of Pinehurst, Tex., angrily pulled out a 9 mm handgun while standing at his son’s hospital bedside.

Gary Hammond, Tomball police’s head of criminal investigations, told the Houston Chronicle at the time that Pickering was “distraught” over the care his son, George Pickering III, was receiving. The younger Pickering was on life support after having a stroke.
@JourneymanGeek hehehe
@JourneymanGeek I blocked them.
@JourneymanGeek Hmm. I use uBlock Origin and I can see read that link.
15:51
> BF: I'd like to call and report a fire. [We live in a fire prone area and it was the season.]
911: Where is it located sir?
BF: On the hillside just East of [City].
911: Can you be more specific? [Typing away in the background.]
BF: Yes, [gives a more detailed location]. Oh god, it's getting bigger!
911: Stay calm sir, we're sending somebody out.
BF: It's getting bigger! Oh god! Oh...oh, wait...
911: Sir?
BF: I am SO sorry...I'm not usually out this time of night, I just got off work late...that's, that's the sun...
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Aww, clippy...
16:26
Any augmented reality apps for Android where I can hold up my phone and get info on landmarks around me?
I want something where I can easily discover new places when I'm on the field or traveling.
yey I'm home
@bwDraco I'm sure I've seen 'demo' ones, but not sure I've ever seen a real one
Google image search it? :D
Also, pretty sure this is why google had ingress created
16:51
@JourneymanGeek Is a hardline stance on ads truly needed?
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Huh. I thought upvotes got 10 rep, not 5.
5 on questions and 10 on answers
@Dog Please read the help system :)
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Ah
I wish I could upvote that :-P
Jul 18 '15 at 19:32, by DragonLord
I respect webmasters' right to run ads, but a few items are expected to be blocked.
17:02
@Rahul2001 sure, ping me at about 1930 UK time
i'm still in work and i've had an amazing all day meeting with an umbraco dev we has solved a lot of my issues
our old dev built the sites in a weird umbraco framework thing that was fashionable for 4 months 5 years ago
17:28
Wawawawawawao.
is this the place to link to my stack over(underflow) thread in order to get more attention?
@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere Room regulars do it, and we tolerate when each other does it, so I guess it'd be hypocritical to say no. So go ahead
SPAMMER!!!!! ;P
As long as you're not spamming links often or linking the same thing again and again
okay got it, so spam my link for attention until @JourneymanGeek comes online to see it and gives me a second ban from the chat due to not following rules.
I'm curious to know, if a socket ID is the same on both the client and server side
I suppose that is a horrible question since I can research it myself
17:33
@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere What makes you think @JourneymanGeek is not online? ;p
WOAH!
hey Brazilian welcome back :)
wtf... @DavidPostill, you killed him!
@Burgi lol. He was there when I posted :)
17:34
then literally the next second he vanished!
my lack of spam must've caused an underflow
@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere What kind of a socket "ID" are we talking about here? Some kind of header in raw TCP on the wire? The file descriptor associated with the socket?
@Burgi Yeah, coincidence or what?
i think he is in bed and the loud BING from your ping woke him and he just killed the browser
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hometime!
@Burgi @CausingUnderflowsEverywhere pinged him first ...
17:38
@allquicatic erm the magic number that allows for multiple connections to a single port

I'm trying to figure out what "invalid socket" means. and how a socket is determined to be invalid
your timing was better though ;)
@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere link the damn question already!
oh
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Q: Apache Mina, How to detect when you're sending messages to an invalid socket on the client side?

CausingUnderflowsEverywhereI have a server setup using MINA version 2. I don't have much experience with sockets and tcp. The problem is if I make a connection to my server, and then unplug my internet and close the connection, (Server doesn't get notification of the connection being closed) the server will forever think...

hometime
17:38
1.38 AM in Singapore
I might've worded the question wrong if I dont understand how sockets work
@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere Who are you?
Sorry my mom told me not to talk to strangers :(
The Transmission Control Protocol (TCP) is a core protocol of the Internet protocol suite. It originated in the initial network implementation in which it complemented the Internet Protocol (IP). Therefore, the entire suite is commonly referred to as TCP/IP. TCP provides reliable, ordered, and error-checked delivery of a stream of octets between applications running on hosts communicating over an IP network. Major Internet applications such as the World Wide Web, email, remote administration and file transfer rely on TCP. Applications that do not require reliable data stream service may use the...
I don't see anything in the TCP segment structure that would indicate there's any specific number, other than the port, to distinguish between multiple clients connecting to the same listen port.
If I'm listening on 1.2.3.4:5678, the way I know who's talking to me is by looking at the source port. The connect had to have originated from some outbound port on the behalf of a client 9.10.11.12:_____.
Then I'll send a reply with an IP destination port matching the inbound source port.
And due to the way TCP works, all stateful firewalls, etc. will "track" this bidirectional connection and allow the reply connection through the firewall and route it correctly.
consider the following, a single IP address might be a proxy, a home network, a school network. there might be 1000s of clients on a single IP address. What happens when 2 computers or more on that network decide to use the same local port? how does the remote server know how to differentiate them?
17:43
It's kind of like a very temporary, transient, port forwarding rule from the perspective of a NAT'ed client.
@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere If you're behind a proxy/firewall/NAT/private LAN/whatever, the local computers -- the individual clients -- do not decide what outbound port to use on the public-facing IP address.
I guess the client could use the same local port and tell the server "hey Im a new guy" then the server is like no no someones using your lcoal port, please change it to X
The edge gateway (AKA the firewall, AKA the router) decides on behalf of each client and keeps them separate.
nice
true, what if random services use random ports on different machines and two different services use the same port.. without socket IDs the router has to manage that I guess
what's winsock then
17:47
@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere The router has to keep track of which IP address on the private LAN was using which outbound port for which TCP connection.
There's a whole entire layer of the Linux kernel (and any other software that does stateful routing) devoted to TCP connection tracking.
@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere Winsock is a user-level DLL library on Windows that exposes the Windows kernel's TCP/IP stack to userland.
A network socket is an endpoint of a connection across a computer network. Today, most communication between computers is based on the Internet Protocol; therefore most network sockets are Internet sockets. More precisely, a socket is a handle (abstract reference) that a local program can pass to the networking application programming interface (API) to use the connection, for example "send this data on this socket". Sockets are often represented internally as simple integers, which identify which connection to use. For example, to send "Hello, world!" via TCP to port 80 of the host with address...
It's based loosely off of the IP stack of BSD from the 80s and 90s.
hmmm
is all this information telling me that socket IDs are invisible and not sent over the network? They are just private IDs to keep track of connections on the local computer?
@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere Again, what socket IDs are you talking about? If you're talking about winsock's own internal socket ID, then yes, that's completely internal to the implementation details of winsock. A TCP socket doesn't technically even need to have socket IDs for the wire protocol to work. The wire protocol doesn't care.
On most other operating systems besides Windows, sockets and file handles to files on disk are the same thing, and they're generically called file descriptors. On Windows, handles to files and handles to sockets are fundamentally different things.
sometime flash player will toss exceptions that say "attempted to write on invalid socket"
17:54
File descriptor or file handle or network socket IDs are all internal to the operating system on which they're running.
@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere Whooooo are you?
@PaulVargas Who who? Who who?
(I really wanna know)
thanks for handling that, it's getting uncomfortable
@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere Sowwy!
also thanks for your help allquicatic :)
17:57
Not to be confused with the Black Sabbath song of the same name "Who Are You", composed by Pete Townshend, is the title track on The Who's 1978 album, Who Are You, the last album released before drummer Keith Moon's death in September 1978. It was released as a double-A sided single with the John Entwistle composition "Had Enough", also featured on the album. The song became one of the band's biggest hits in North America, peaking at number 7 in Canada and at number 14 in the US. The keyboard pieces on the track are played by Rod Argent. == Background == Musically, the origins of "Who Are You"...
@PaulVargas who should I be?
@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere I don't know. But you can tell me.

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