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18:01
that would defeat the purpose of my name.
18:14
heh heh


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It is hard to believe that the TCP protocol, which is connection oriented, can't even know the status of its connection... Do the guys that come up with this protocols drive their cars with eyes closed? – PedroD Aug 11 '14 at 12:42
MySQL issue back on the 64bit one...
Hey Luke! I love Canadians
> Superb Internet Corporation, one of the oldest (...) hosting companies around, recently turned 20 years old.
The web was creatd in 1993. Three years later there was a hosting company? O_o
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> The World Wide Web was invented by English scientist Tim Berners-Lee in 1989.
> The first web site built was at CERN within the border of France,[31] and was put online on 6 August 1991 for the first time:
Ok, so the web existed since 1989, but the first web site was created only in 1991
SO WHAT WAS ON THE WEB FOR THREE WHOLE YEARS?!? CUCUMBERS?
18:22
@ThatBrazilianHeadlessHorse bbs
email
netcat
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@ThatBrazilianHeadlessHorse Most of the organisations that were on the web at that time had their own servers (and still do)
@djsmiley2k I don't think you understood my question.
@Dog But if the FIRST web SITE (not server, but SITE) was created in 6/aug/1991
Then who was phone web between 1989-1991?
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@ThatBrazilianHeadlessHorse Yes?
@Dog You said it yourself:
4 mins ago, by Dog
> The World Wide Web was invented by English scientist Tim Berners-Lee in 1989.
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18:26
@ThatBrazilianHeadlessHorse And?
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A: Apache Mina, How to detect when you're sending messages to an invalid socket on the client side?

allquicaticThe concept of socket or connection in Internet protocols is an illusion. It's a convenient abstraction that is provided to you by the operating system and the TCP stack, but in reality, it's all fake. Under the hood, everything on the Internet takes the form of individual packets. From the per...

The only logical conclusion is That Tim Guy invented the web, locked it on a drawer, and then forgot it existed for three years.
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Maglev was invented 60 years ago. The first maglev service didn't exist until ten years ago
@CanadianLuke how about the 32-bit?
Still up and running @allquicatic
18:27
ohhh so that's how people get big points. you guys post your answers here so the chat can upvote them and you gain rep :)
@CanadianLuke is it the 32-bit box that has 5.5.52 and the 64-bit box with 5.5.50?
@CanadianLuke I thouth you were running WordPress, and not running allquicatic Nevermind.
Yup
So, Moodle is the important one. Up now, after updating to 5.5.52
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4G was "invented" in 2004, but the first 4G network wasn't set up till 2009.
But nothing in dmesg or the MySQL Error Logs
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18:29
HAMR hard drives were "invented" in 2006. You still can't buy them.
hey allquicatic, you know tcp? when the connection is established, is there an ack sent back to the sender of a message from a receiver acknowledging that they received the message? I thought this was the whole point of tcp vs udp
-gets out wireshark-
@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere Not really; I don't get that many upvotes from chat. A lot of people here don't upvote stuff I post here to avoid even the perception of serial upvoting.
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@allquicatic Hmm
udp keeps sending, whats your point?
18:33
@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere Yes, there's an ACK, but the absence of an ACK doesn't mean that the other side is disconnected; if you expect an ACK within 100 milliseconds and it comes back in 101 milliseconds, you'd be required to assume the connection is dead after 100, and close it, and that would frustrate users to no end. So we generally set TCP timeouts to a sane value.
@Dog Ok, ok, ok, I got it
cool, so according to wireshark when a message is sent, it's got PSH, ACK in the header, then the receiving party reads the message and sends back an ACK
@Dog time travel was invented in the 1920s, was first seen 400 years ago...
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for some reason the tcp timeout on my server is set to hundreds of minutes
@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere The TCP timeout is generally a configuration parameter that an individual application can set on a per-socket basis.
18:34
(I'm estimating since ...
MINA itself could set it that big.
a cleanup routine that runs every 15 minutes is the one that cleans up that dead connection, not MINA
iirc freenodes timeout on host connections is like 6 days
@djsmiley2k Huh? No, it's generally on the order of 3-4 minutes.
still stupidly long
18:36
I've used applications with a stupidly short TCP timeout. I'd rather them err on the side of it being too long.
Imagine someone on the phone with you and they say, "....So how are you doing today? Hello?! OK I guess you're not there, bye. *click*" without even pausing
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A: Apache Mina, How to detect when you're sending messages to an invalid socket on the client side?

DogWhat you want is a KeepAlive, heartbeat, or ping. As per @allquicatic's answer, there's no completely reliable built-in method to do this in TCP. You'll have to implement a method to explicitly ask the client "Are you still there?" and await an answer for a specified amount of time. https://en....

Wait I should have just edited your answer
Meh
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@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere WOOF
(Soon to be homeless dog)
nooooooo
I accept all dogs in my home :(
@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
u want to know the state of a remote system?
quantum entangling might help
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18:41
@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere I'm a cat
I love hugging kitties
and touching their bellies
1 min ago, by Dog
(Soon to be homeless dog)
and sleeping with a cat at the foot of my bed
you didn't capitalize dog, so you just admitted you're a dog!
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@allquicatic That would be my name, not my creature
18:41
unless you meant "Soon to be homeless Dog"
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I meant "Soon to be Homeless Dog"
I didnt know cats can bark
@Dog also, why are you going to be homeless? :(
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@allquicatic I moved out of my last home without finding a new one first
are different races different breeds of human o_O?
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18:42
(Same with my job funny enough, but w/e)
@Dog ...and you quit your job without finding... yeah
O_O.... why, dude(tte)? :(
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I was getting complacent and needed something to spur me into making a change
You're very intelligent. You ought to be able to have a stable life and find a job that values your knowledge.
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It was a case of "I know I don't want to be here forever, but as long as I have this permanant contract and permanant accomodation, I'll probably never get round to leaving"
@Dog Well, okay then... Wishing you the best of luck in finding what you're looking for.
Really.
18:44
@djsmiley2k ...yes! " instead, a quantum state must be described for the system as a whole" I need to describe a state for the system as a whole. either established or inexistant
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@allquicatic Thanks.
Though I do still need to find out what I'm looking for before I can properly look for it. But that requires a shrink, which requires a home. Argh, catch 22
You could live with your shrink.
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Ermm
hey Dog, do you want to start a private conversation with me using a different service to talk about it? :/
I was kinda wandering and not knowing quite what I was looking for, too, until I discovered a creative outlet that basically changed my life, in roleplay on SWTOR.
Wasn't contemplating leaving my job/house, but wasn't quite right.
Just found enough meaningful human interaction to be healthy.
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18:47
@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere No thanks, I should be phoning people and agencies looking for a place to live -_-
i found a job which is awesome
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I had a job which was awesome, I lived in a city which was shite.
erm @Dog if i'm correct, it's 7:47pm there
That's the best time until 7:87... oh, wait...
alright well I just want to be there for you. what did you like doing in highschool?
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18:48
Never really been into roleplay much myself, every time I play an RPG I end up metagaming and spending 16 hours a day spawncamping russians.
@djsmiley2k Yeah, most private lets are by people with day jobs so 5-10pm is when they can be contacted.
@Dog Metagaming's tempting for everyone, even those who are seemingly successful at RP. It takes a lot of experience to do right by your fellow players.
role on SWTOR? is that like secondlife ?
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@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere Being expelled multiple times.
so cortana is back...
@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere Not really.
18:49
ah yeah true
SWTOR is a Star Wars MMO. It's focused around gameplay, kind of like WoW, but Star Wars.
@Dog tbh I havent finished myself
Yeah, that'll work as an analogy. Star Wars WoW.
I like the regular gameplay without the RP stuff, but I spend most of my time RPing.
that reminds me I have starcraft on my pc
5GB of ram available, okay Ill play a round
18:52
.... It's... hard to explain. It's quite an emotional rollercoaster, but thrilling through and through, if you've got good people to RP with. It's like collaboratively writing a novel, live, and you get to enjoy both the social interaction with others, interesting character interactions, and advance some kind of a plot together. And it's all very organic and visceral and real. It's the next best thing after limerence.
ugh
they've moved everything around!
can i expect this in every anniversary update?
yesss downloading patch 1GB remianing 8MB/s
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@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere That's what she said!
lol
@Burgi Does your significant other completely rearrange your bedroom every anniversary? XD
18:53
your girlfriend did?
@allquicatic what significant other?
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Limerence (also infatuated love) is a state of mind which results from a romantic attraction to another person and typically includes obsessive thoughts and fantasies and a desire to form or maintain a relationship with the object of love and have one's feelings reciprocated. Psychologist Dorothy Tennov coined the term "limerence" for her 1979 book, Love and Limerence: The Experience of Being in Love, to describe a concept that had grown out of her work in the mid-1960s, when she interviewed over 500 people on the topic of love. Limerence has been defined by one writer as "an involuntary in...
@Burgi Good question. I don't know either.
omg allquicatic you dont have to link me to thats what she said I know what that means
but I didnt quite catch it in what I said
18:54
@Dog Yeah. Basically the best thing ever.
i've been on a few dates recently but not enough to call her my girlfriend
I suffered Limerence.
@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere LOL, that's like saying I suffered eating a donut
lol
18:55
it got so bad
agreed
we had to abruptly abandon the friendship
@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere ... I mean, I guess, if it's not reciprocal, it can really suck.
But someone can return your limerence without wanting a romantic relationship.
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How's limerence different from... a crush?
Adults can form a lot of extremely, well, complicated relationships that aren't just one thing or another.
@Dog It's primarily emotional. I'm not sure how it differs from a crush because I don't have a precise definition of "crush" in front of me. The latter may be a folk term for the more technical term.
*shrug*
But limerence often continues after the pair formation process for a while. Does a crush, too? I dunno.
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18:58
Eh, I've never heard of limerance before
I'm terrified to click on that at work
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It's work-safe
I don't see any swear words in the first five definitions
Oh, okay. For a change, it's not completely stupid drivel.
@Burgi erm ping?
what's the X-Content-Type-Options: nosniff for?
19:00
it's gone 19:30
And X-XSS-Protection: 1; mode=block?
for highlighting stuff to the nsa?
isnt all that confusing? it's not limerance anymore but I still feel like I care for the person
OWASP is a great resource. I'd suggest reading it.
@djsmiley2k The X-Content-Type-Options: nosniff?
19:01
@djsmiley2k ?
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4 mins ago, by allquicatic
Adults can form a lot of extremely, well, complicated relationships that aren't just one thing or another.
@Burgi you wanted to poke someone at 19:30
@allquicatic Thank you... But I can't see that header.
oh no i wanted @Rahul2001 to ping me
19:02
@PaulVargas click on the Headers tab and Ctrl+F for it
> X-Content-Type-Options
Setting this header will prevent the browser from interpreting files as something else than declared by the content type in the HTTP headers.
Values
Value Description
nosniff Will prevent the browser from MIME-sniffing a response away from the declared content-type.
Example
X-Content-Type-Options: nosniff
sorry for the formatting
ah there we go
i couldn't remember who :D
@allquicatic Ah! Awesome! You are a genius!
No, I've just used OWASP for security testing in the past and I love their documentation on this stuff
this spanish scientist who found the close planet is great
I don't know if this is an appropriate question for this room (please tell me if its not) but I have a question that I think would be easier and quicker to ask here than on SuperUser proper.
I have an old Dell Latitude that started recently to run out of ram when more than one tab was open in firefox.
19:10
@NULL That's a rather terrible question for Super User unless you've put significant effort into narrowing it down a bit on your own. But it's a perfectly good topic for in here. You came to the right place!
i think there is a memory leak in the latest FF build
i've been having issues for the last week or so
Hmm... if it's indeed Firefox, you should be able to see evidence of it in about:memory.
@NULL You could run a test by installing Firefox ESR and see if that fixes your problem
Ok:) Well its a really old version of FF. lol I have 1GB of ram and after a reboot at idle it uses about 433mb. After 1 tab its 700mb. Two tabs and I need to force power off
any plugins?
the funny thing is, a day ago it wasn't like this. No, I haven't installed any new plugins
Heres the funny thing
I unplugged power and took the 512mb ram stick out
and stuck it back in, booted up and the computer is working now normally....so far
But Task manager was saying 1024mb of ram was available before that so I don't really understand why that would be
19:14
@NULL Without more testing, there's not really enough info to know if the hardware re-seat had any therapeutic effect. It could just be some kind of software auto-healing, or maybe a patch to Firefox or a Windows Update fixed the problem.
A lot of stuff happens when you reboot. Things check for updates. Maybe Firefox updated without you noticing.
Well I had done a couple of reboots before trying to resettle the RAM. My FF is actually not too old, its 47.0.1
But yeah ok, well if it happens again I'll come back:)
> Limerence is sometimes also interpreted as infatuation, or what is colloquially known as a "crush". However, in common speech, infatuation includes aspects of immaturity and extrapolation from insufficient information, and is usually short-lived.
Basically limerence is a more informed formation than a crush. I think.
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Interesting
i've bought my minion a rubber duck
19:20
@Burgi Better than having them bug you all the time, amirite?
afk, Jenkins server HTTP endpoint testing
exactly
I seriously joked about getting my ex-coworker a rubber duck. But then he quit. :3
my team lost because of me in starcraft
atleast I made my teammate laugh at how bad I am
i think i've thrown the asda/wallmart data-mining software a real curve ball
@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere Good to take some positives out of losing. Also, without defeat, victory would not be satisfying, or significant. :3
19:21
yeah Im not good at starcraft but Im killer at age of empires 3
a rubber duck, a pint of milk, super extra hot sauce, a new in car phone charger and 4 beers
@Burgi "He must have a baby on the way!"
@Burgi "...and have a terribly stressful traveling job"
lol
Did you know that most effort on demographics related to department stores and such is placed into figuring out who is pregnant, will become pregnant soon, or has recently given birth?
All of that data mining is almost exclusively zeroed in on finding new parents.
They're a gold mine, you see.
Most general release marketing material is also keyed towards things that will be attractive for new parents.
cool the other people have low points on the other team we miht win this game
19:25
@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere Get back in there and play; what are you doing talking to us during a match?! XD
LOL it's loading and I think switching out froze the game
Taking 5 seconds to type something here in the middle of a match is like telling your military-industrial complex to just shut down completely for 4 years in the middle of World War II. :3
nope people are just slow at loading
hahaha
yeah taking 5 seconds in aoe3 might make your teammate leave
Man, I'm in rare form today.
but in reality you're just busy commanding your units
19:26
AOE3 was awful
they peaked with AOE2, hence the fact they re-released it on steam
oh sure burgi sure...
man my teammate is talking about pussy cats we're going to lose!
@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere we should have a game on steam sometime
brb portal
@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere store.steampowered.com/app/221380
we lost, the other team did a quick attack
now the other team has a guy wih 3000 points and we're all noobies here
the enemy ate my civialians with their little worms
20:03
ahoy
I have a question very specific to AVRDude, I'm not sure it is possible (there doesn't appear to be an option) to skip the readback step when flashing a chip
I know it is a good idea to verify the write, but we do a comprehensive test in the QA step and therefore this is just redundant and takes an extra few minutes
@Burgi Me too. Hangs every so often. Previous versions were very stable.
@rlemon what version of avrdude are you using, and on which host platform?
6.1, Ubuntu
@rlemon It's written in C using autotools apparently. Kind of my domain (ish). I might be able to cook up a patch and a build for you that gives the option. What version of Ubuntu and is it 32 or 64-bit?
Description: Ubuntu 15.10
Release: 15.10
Codename: wily
each write does a pointless (for me) 195 second read to verify :(
20:17
hnngh, I don't have a 15.10 system up and running... but if you can follow basic instructions I can give you a source patch
oh man we built a cannon and the host was calling us cannon noobs then we chilled building our eco and the host managed to get enough army to attack us so he stared lauhing and calling us noobs cause he was attacking our nexus, then my partner and I mass made an army and killed the hosts army and now he's swearing again this time ecause he's losing and telling us to play with dignity
@rlemon Ummmmm.... looking at the command line arguments in the source I found this
> " -V Do not verify.\n"
have you tried -V (capital)? Did it work?
looks like the feature is already implemented; now, I don't know if it works because I've never used this program before
yea verify is just for the device identifier
it checks that quickly before attempting to read/write
what I want to omit is:
- verifies
- writes
- reads what it just wrote to do a comparison <-- skip this step, it takes longer than the write step
- checks fuses
20:30
Enough is enough with the ear tips coming off my Pistons.
@rlemon does the -V option not prevent it from doing that third step?
nope
it prevents the first step
sorry, the ping in chat.se isn't obnoxious enough to be heard over my music like chat.so
I'm not intentionally being slow
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Q: Accidentally rewrite file

VyanIm Running KVM Server 300Gb vmdk file size When i want to backup my server, i run script (note Sending server: 192.168.13.95, Receiving server 192.168.13.91) tar cv vm-102-disk-1.vmdk | nc -q 1 192.168.13.91 1234 on my sending server and run script nc -w 10 192.168.13.95 1234 > vm-102-disk-1.v...

lol
@Dog I didn't click the question yet, but... wait... is that the same thing you did? :D
what was that meme again?
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NO.
20:38
I couldn't think of the command you used, I had to search chat to remember
yours was chmod :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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And I didn't lose any data.
(hopefully you can sense from the number of :Ds that my enjoyment of that fact is palpable)
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I did lose data by writing to the wrong disk in a VM, but I didn't think you knew enough about that to associate it with that question
no
I didn't know about that one, just the chmod thing
20:51
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A: Accidentally rewrite file

allquicaticFiles are stored on disk as a series of logical blocks, usually 512 bytes or 4096 bytes. When a file is truncated to 0 bytes (which is apparently what happened here), that means the filesystem updated the file's metadata so that none of the blocks it previously claimed as part of the file are par...

Wait, what?
You can't be serious. 256QAM is Cat.11!
@bwDraco The funny thing is, Verizon owns a lot more spectrum, and towers, and covers a much larger area of the United States with decent to good LTE. So, even if T-Mobile is faster, Verizon can afford to carry more data (by raw volume) regardless of the download speeds.
I'd rather stay with Verizon for that reason.
That's one of the big issues T-Mobile's struggling to come to grips with.

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