Root Access

allquicatic

21:00

Rolling out higher speed LTE just means that in periods of low contention (which is pretty much, only 3 - 4 AM in suburban and urban areas), you can use up your data cap faster. During the waking hours of most normal people, you won't be able to get MIMO carrier aggregation or 256QAM, because they'll be dividing their spectrum up into as small chunks as possible to serve all their customers.

A saturated tower is still going to give you 5 Mbps tops, regardless of whether you're on Verizon or T-Mo or AT&T or Sprint.

bwDraco

T-Mobile tends to have less congestion from what I know.

I've had some really bad congestion out in the city on AT&T just a bit earlier.

allquicatic

> Verizon has spent billions on their network, and it is still slower than T-Mobile, and Verizon still won’t (or can’t) offer unlimited data.

Um. Neither can you, Mr. Neville Ray, CTO of T-Mobile. Dumbass. Your "unlimited" is NOT unlimited.

If it is, let me use 250 GB per month tethering.

Otherwise, shut up.

bwDraco

T-Mobile has a different approach with its new plans that doesn't fit me.

I'm on AT&T. The network's generally good but data performance is very inconsistent.

@allquicatic: Your requirements are unusual and do not reflect the typical consumer.

I can't imagine needing anywhere near 250 GB of cellular data.

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

a keyboard video mouse server?

bwDraco

At least Verizon has a working Cat.6 network.

It took them this long.

T-Mobile has Cat.11 in a few places but my phone doesn't support it (Snapdragon 808 tops out at Cat.9).

I'm wondering when AT&T will deploy LTE-A at Cat.6 or faster...

allquicatic

21:13

@bwDraco Doesn't change the fact that they are bold-faced lying. Unlimited means unlimited. It always has, and it always will. If you can't offer true unlimited, then be transparent about what the limit is.

I've seen Italian places with a buffet involving pizza where they limit each customer to 3 slices and put a big sign out stating as much. Without the sign, saying "all you can eat" is a real dick move.

And that's what T-Mo is doing. They're saying "all you can eat", then when someone who really loves pizza goes for a fourth slice, cutting them off.

It's false advertising.

It's kind of in a grey area now, though, because they slow you down to almost dial-up speeds but continue allowing you to at least "connect" (technically, anyway; you might time out when trying to load certain services because of the extremely low throughput), so it'd be like saying, "you can have unlimited water for the same price, but after 2 gallons we'll give you one drop per hour."

Except they barely even tell you the ugly details about exactly how much you can have at full speed and where the cut-off is, and their up-front marketing is the complete opposite story.

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

I might not live in the USA

allquicatic

They say unlimited to get you in the door, then the fine print says it's anything but.

@bwDraco And that kind of attitude really does annoy me, because in many parts of the US, people only have the option of extremely unreliable, overpriced, and sub-par landlines, with, say, 3.5 Mbps ADSL or so. Outdated, flaky, and almost unusable in the upstream direction because of the buffer bloat problem.

The only viable option for millions of people is to either use cellular (which, at least, is trending upwards in speeds) and try to use a loophole like unlimited to carry a lot of data; or pay a TON of money for per-gig pricing; or move.

Or just don't use the Internet much and be a luddite. And you wonder why people don't avail themselves of access to the global economy and stimulate our GDP...

How many people missed the boat on unlimited data; can't afford to move; and are stuck with a terrible connection that can't even keep up with youtube streaming on the lowest quality? How many people wanted to try an online game but quit when they kept getting disconnected every 5 minutes?

There's so much sorrow out there from missed opportunities related to our sub-par network infrastructure, and the companies love it. Nom-nom-nom, they eat it up. It's music to their ears.

A kid who wanted to try to learn to code, but the Visual Studio Community download said it'd take 8 weeks, so he gave up.

Little stories that never get told.

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

@allquicatic years ago when I was a young boy and still got random computer viruses, I'd pull the plug the moment I noticed it and boot into safe mode. In many cases it saved me.

But then I learned how easily malware running with admin privs can get into safemode. lol

Well technically I've never seen malware do it except for this one virus called watermark virus or gallery.exe. But I've personally edited safemode to add some programs/services I needed running

(windows)

allquicatic

I kinda want to do a tech talk or write a polished and poignant article for medium.com about my experiences (and others' experiences) with Internet connections that were just sub-par, obsolete, too slow, or flaky, and expose this travesty for what it is, demonstrating just how backwards the US really is.

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

wait a second @Dog you replied to my message with this quote "Adults can form a lot of extremely, well, complicated relationships that aren't just one thing or another." but idk, I dont think I was completely an adult last year

allquicatic

21:27

I want to expose the more human side of the consequences of this economic decision that has given these ISPs control over peoples' lives instead of liberating them.

bwDraco

Well, I do hate the fact that we're so far behind other countries in this regard.

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

oh my allquicatic

an ISP here was selling 2megabit per second download internet IN THE CITY for 50 bucks a month

an IPS here is selling that internet

AND THEY ARE A TOP ISP

DavidPostill

@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere where is this?

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

people who aren't technically incline have no idea they are getting ripped off

bwDraco

Sure, T-Mobile may have the most technologically advanced network, but I'm not a fan of the direction T-Mobile is going. It does not fit my requirements.

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

21:30

this is bell canada lmao selling dsl. is it that expensive to operate low rate internet on the phone line?

That Brazilian Headless Horse

@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere I pay $100 for 5 Mbps

bwDraco

$15 for 3 Mbps.

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

they should switch all those people to cable internet

aww that brazilian Im sorry :(

allquicatic

$150 for <extremely variable> (3 to 30 Mbps with high ping jitter and at least 30 ms higher latency than a landline) here.

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

it's 30 bucks a month for 45 Mbps in the value brand here

hey allquicatic would you agree with my comment to your answer on the truncated file?

bwDraco

21:32

The new T-Mobile One plans just don't work for me.

allquicatic

@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere I upvoted your comment, so of course I agree with it; I was very tempted to onebox the comment here and commend you for your contribution.

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

oh I didnt see it

I've always disabled write caching on my disk because I liked using the reset button to reboot my computer and sometimes just flip the power switch

allquicatic

lol

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

sadly I dont have a reset switch anymore :( my power switch broke so I had to wire the reset switch to act as power

allquicatic

disabling write caching with an SSD can be really bad for write endurance

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

21:34

yeah it was a hard disk before

now that I have an SSD...

I

I'm forced to use write caching

I've used the power switch to shut off the computer with no data loss though :)

allquicatic

IIRC ext4 had (or still has... one of the two) an issue where sync() or fsync() would not cause the data updates to a file to be written fully all the way to the permanent storage

...which caused people to lose data when they would do something like save a file and shut down

or... wait...

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

oh that's terrible

allquicatic

it was when you had an application that would close the file without calling fsync()

That Brazilian Headless Horse

I'm at a web accessibility conference

allquicatic

if it called fsync() you were fine

That Brazilian Headless Horse

21:36

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

that looks like an old board

allquicatic

My brain's processing on that picture:
(1) View it zoomed in in my browser
(2) Scan for pretty faces
(3) Find some
(4) Think "Oh, he's lucky"
(5) ... Realize Brazilian Headless Horse is married
(6) Think "Oh, I would like to be there instead"

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

both of them

that looks like you took peoples picture without their permission and now Im going to post it on my facebook

That Brazilian Headless Horse

I didn't pay a dime for the ticket; the way I arrived here is quite crazy, I didn't get to watch a single talk...

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

oh :/ well it looks dark, are you going to sleep soon?

That Brazilian Headless Horse

21:39

...but oh boy, the snacks are really something

allquicatic

@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere it's just barely after dark in Brazil

the night is young :D

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

the night shall be my girlfriend

bwDraco

@allquicatic do you intend to ignore me for this?

I really think the issue here is that infrastructure is privately owned, unlike in most other countries.

The competition you see in Europe and elsewhere just does not exist in the US.

allquicatic

@bwDraco Noooooooo. D: I don't get upset at people, just at (abstract) arguments. Certain ones.

I haven't ignored anyone since EinsteinsGrandson ;o))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

it's justa drag every single day, I have remove 30+ tabs from my browser because I dont need those informational tabs anymore

happens twice a day too

allquicatic

21:45

Don't worry about it. Hold whichever viewpoints you want to hold. :) I'll continue to shoot down the ones I think are particularly wrong, and explain why, but I'm not going to banish a person from my personal view of this chat just because they're in disagreement with me.

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

dang I have "tabs" on my taskbar too!!!!!

That Brazilian Headless Horse

@allquicatic If (2) and (3) impressed you here, don't ever come to my workplace.

allquicatic

I only ignore trolls, and only one troll stayed around without being suspended for an extended time, to the extent that I couldn't stand it and had to ignore him... you're nowhere close to that status.

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

you're ignoring me now allquicatic?

allquicatic

@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere No; bwDraco was asking me if I was going to ignore him. But no. I'm not ignoring anyone!!!! D:

That Brazilian Headless Horse

21:47

@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere It's 6:45pm

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

okay -phew- I mean I like to crack jokes but I'm not a troll right?

allquicatic

@ThatBrazilianHeadlessHorse ... D: The average age, body type, and marriedness of my coworkers are each in their own way so fundamentally stacked against me that I can't even admire my coworkers' physical attributes in my head, let alone overtly go "Hello, would you like to go out to lunch?".

@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere No, you're awesome. I don't know if you got suspended before and why if so, but I've enjoyed having you around today.

Burgi

i need help searching for the manufacturer of my watch

That Brazilian Headless Horse

@allquicatic Way too young or lots of aunties? :P

allquicatic

@ThatBrazilianHeadlessHorse No, there's no such thing as way too young for a person who is 18+. They're all way too old. And way too married. And way too victimized by America's unhealthy food distribution network. Self included, though, in fairness.

Potato Cat

21:50

God dammit I hate everything and want to punch someone

2

allquicatic

@PotatoCat What's wrong?

Potato Cat

@allquicatic So you mean, fat?

@allquicatic Finding a flat at this time is frustrating.

allquicatic

@PotatoCat I'm trying to be sensitive, here.

Potato Cat

Rental market has become super competitive, and university starts in a week (and we have four universities in this city) so demand is extra high.

Burgi

anyone know of a watch company called avia?

Potato Cat

21:51

Basically, the literal worst time of year to be looking for housing.

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

wow thanks @allquicatic, that means a lot. :)

allquicatic

@PotatoCat ... D: Do you know of any (ex-)coworkers who might have connections who might help you?

@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere I get it. :3 I grew up on the Internet. Sometimes you need someone to be encouraging and supportive. :)

Burgi

go out and punch someone

Potato Cat

@allquicatic Pretty faces? At that resolution? o_0

@allquicatic Well I know plenty of people I could crash with, but that's not really what I'm after

allquicatic

@Burgi He's already looking at homelessness and unemployed...ness. Don't want him in jail, too. D:

Burgi

21:52

you can stay for free at her majesty's pleasure....

Potato Cat

I'm a bit beyond the age for couchsurfing

CausingUnderflowsEverywhere

that was a cool article you linked
https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2016/09/someone_is_lear.html

Potato Cat

@Burgi Y'know, I've made that argument before, to a number of people

However I'm more likely to injure myself than anyone else if I tried, and I don't fancy the hospital visit beforehand

allquicatic

@PotatoCat My standards are, like, lower than the Marianas Trench.

*shrug*

To each their own. :3

Burgi

so avia watches... any ideas?

Potato Cat

21:54

@allquicatic I can barely even make out faces

allquicatic

@Burgi It sounds like you already know the manufacturer. What are you looking for specifically? Can you post pictures? Take it apart? Find any model numbers or codes?

Potato Cat

But yeah, life in prison is so much easier... no bills, no rent, no council tax, don't need a job, you get food made for you, laundry done for you, don't have to worry about education, drug dealers always available next door, etc.

allquicatic

@PotatoCat I clicked the image. It became a fairly large 10" x 10" (or thereabouts) pixmap in my web browser on my 13" 1440p display.

Burgi

it needs a new circuit board and only the manufacturer supplies them

allquicatic

@PotatoCat That's too uncannily funny. Have a star. Also, you didn't mention the less pleasing parts about being in the slammer.

Besides, I doubt they'd let you onto RA from within the slammer. So, I won't allow this.

Potato Cat

21:57

Oh and in certain countries you even get free cable TV and a playstation

^^ Norwegian prison

allquicatic

Is that for real?

Burgi

yes

Potato Cat

@allquicatic businessinsider.com/…

Apparently you get knives, and an Xbox... in a high security facilty

Burgi

the norwegians rehabilitate, not punish

Potato Cat

@Burgi I just want to be habilitated

Burgi

21:59

heh

Potato Cat

Speaking of, I have no food left. Need to find somewhere to get dinner for tonight

For tomorrow, I'm moving out :-/

Burgi

basically the digital bit works great but the analogue bit keeps stopping and stuttering

the watch repair place said its the circuit board that is failing (shrug) and only the manufacturer can supply it

allquicatic

@PotatoCat .... Please take good care of yourself. Work on getting back under a roof and try to be safe. I hope you will be well and come back a happy camper.

Potato Cat

@Burgi Fossil bought Avia in 2001, apparently.

Burgi

fossil?

Potato Cat

22:03

!!s/mper/t/

ChatBot John Cavil

@PotatoCat @PotatoCat .... Please take good care of yourself. Work on getting back under a roof and try to be safe. I hope you will be well and come back a happy cat. (source)

Potato Cat

> "Richardson, Texas - Fossil Inc. (Nasdaq: FOSL) announced today that it has acquired all the outstanding capital stock of The Avia Watch Company, Ltd. ... headquartered outside of London, England.
Avia, which traces its roots back to the turn of the 20th century, designs, markets and distributes AVIA brand watches and serves as a distributor of licensed and private label watches throughout the United Kingdom." ... "Avia brand watches range from classic designs to sport chronographs with suggested retail prices from approximately US$14 to $175 dollars. The Company services a wide spectrum …

Burgi

can you link the source please?

Potato Cat

thewatchforum.co.uk/index.php?/topic/…

>
This report is verified by an overview of the Avia Watch Company Ltd. produced by Businessweek, where once again Avia is listed as offering watches under its own name as well as Skagen and Burberry, and now, after 21 May 2001, operating as a subsidiary to Fossil (UK) Holdings Ltd

I think the article referred to is this one: bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/…

allquicatic

@rlemon It looks like it tries to read back fuses several times and verify them and such... can you run your copy of AVRDude with the verbose switch and the "no verify" switch both enabled, and let me know what output you get, and where within the output it seems to take a very long time?

I can use your indication of which steps during the verbose log output take the longest time, as a way of searching through the code to figure out what to comment out.

Potato Cat

22:07

There's address, telephone, and website listed, but the postcode no longer exists, neither does the DNS.

Burgi

thanks @PotatoCat

i'll email fossil

Potato Cat

Buildings seem to have been taken over by others as well: google.co.uk/maps/…

Psycogeek

@allquicatic Write it up. I think there needs to be more articals and published data on what BS things are. the huge corporations will sometimes lean a bit from much published negative data, because they are afraid it will eventually effect thier bottom line, the perception people have of the company and all. (dont tell them we cant really hate them any more than we do :-) With telecoms the employees all Know, if you mention such things , it is obvious that many customers have the same feelings.

Potato Cat

Sovereign Gymnastics for one

@Burgi np

@allquicatic Thanks, will try...

Urgh 32 notifications in my SE inbox

@CausingUnderflowsEverywhere Are you suggesting you are this year? Or I was? Or @allquicatic was?

Psycogeek

If you tell the employees to relay the message to the people in charge, they act like they do not even work for the company or know WHO is in charge. Then i tell them i am serious, you are putting the face and representation on the company , you need to tell the powers that be what the customers want. Heck they dont know how to even talk to thier own company of course.

Potato Cat

22:15

@Bob I sorta got that bit, but what confused me was a) The rock seems to be a solid part of the surrounding earth, and b) the numbering, of (3) especially

@ThatBrazilianHeadlessHorse We all want to build browsers, just veeeeery few of us are capable of it

@Bob WAT

Burgi

quick question, why would a circuit board fail?

corrosion?

allquicatic

@Burgi Water damage and flexion are the most popular reasons

Burgi

flexion?

allquicatic

Flexing, bending, physical movement in directions it's not meant to

extreme heat like leaving it in a hot car in the sun on a leather seat in the hottest part of summer could also possibly melt the solder (depending on what type is used) and give it a minor reflow.... which could be either beneficial or harmful, but depends significantly on the direction of gravity at the time and what components are on the board

Burgi

i'm probably looking at the death of my favourite watch :'(

Psycogeek

22:23

@Burgi if you have nothing to lose.

allquicatic

lol you could pay Jessa Jones to try to fix it

she fixes small things like iPhones all the time

Burgi

jessa jones?

Potato Cat

@allquicatic That's why my S4 broke

Well, that and the fact I set it on fire trying to fix the former.

allquicatic

yeah, she does mail-in repairs of lots of things... check out mendonipadrehab.com

well it's her and several other employees but she is the owner

she has a youtube channel and had an amazing, insightful Reddit AMA a few weeks ago

highly recommended if you can afford it, she will treat you like a person not a number

Burgi

i bet her prices are super high

allquicatic

22:25

depends on what has to be done -- the extent of the damage -- and whether she has parts readily available

for things she does repeatedly on a daily basis like certain types of iPhone repair it can be as low as $60 USD

here you go: mendonipadrehab.com/price-list

Burgi

but watches?

allquicatic

she's repaired just about any electronic thing you can dream of, dude... everything from jacuzzis to vacuum pumps to desktop computers.

if it has integrated circuits she's done it

and she usually does not have to buy a whole new board

can figure out what's exactly broken at the component level

Potato Cat

Yay just renewed my domain: is-scotland-an-independent-country-yet.uk

I should probably update the page as well to follow #indyref2

Burgi

hmmm...

what is the green bit made of?

@PotatoCat was that wise given you don't have a job or a house?

allquicatic

Printed circuit board

A printed circuit board (PCB) mechanically supports and electrically connects electronic components using conductive tracks, pads and other features etched from copper sheets laminated onto a non-conductive substrate. Components – capacitors, resistors or active devices – are generally soldered on the PCB. Advanced PCBs may contain components embedded in the substrate. PCBs can be single sided (one copper layer), double sided (two copper layers) or multi-layer (outer and inner layers). Conductors on different layers are connected with vias. Multi-layer PCBs allow for much higher component density...

Burgi

22:30

thanks

allquicatic

glass epoxy apparently #TIL

bwDraco

@allquicatic Isn't that the company that first reported the Touch Disease problem?

allquicatic

don't eat it

Bob

@PotatoCat ?

Potato Cat

@Burgi £6? Eh.

Blargh, I have to log in to my twitter account to create new embed code

Burgi

22:31

i've emailed fossil, when they tell me to f off i'll email that new york woman

allquicatic

@bwDraco Jessa personally publicized the issue, yes, through (IIRC) a New York Times article, and a youtube video that got several orders of magnitude more views than any other video of hers then or since; but I believe she has a network of other contacts within the component-level repair community from various countries (on forums) and someone else may have discovered it first.

Bob

@PotatoCat Oh, not to enable dual-SIM on a single-SIM phone. Just to go from the current 4G/2G to dual-3G-capable ("4G/3G").

Burgi

touch disease?

Potato Cat

@Bob Oooooh. Nice

Burgi

oh faulty screens

arda

22:33

@PotatoCat use svg version of the flag :P

allquicatic

@Burgi Briefly: the two integrated circuits that process touch inputs on the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus were receiving such severe amounts of flexion that the solder balls connecting the IC to the substrate would crack and corrode, disrupting the functionality of touch on these phones sporadically unless you flexed them just the right (wrong) way.

Bob

@PotatoCat hardwarezone.com.sg/…

arda

public domain: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/10/…

allquicatic

they were receiving too much flexion because of the very bendable aluminum housing of the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus, and the fact that they had installed a very weak "sticker" EM shield instead of a metal EM shield with structural hardness.

Burgi

@allquicatic not really a disease, just poor build quality

Potato Cat

22:33

Makes me want one now...

allquicatic

and because people store their iPhones against their ass in the back pocket of jeans and sit down with it in there

Burgi

well they are idiots

allquicatic

@Burgi yeah, but a particular type of build quality that was afflicting a very large percentage of devices due to a fairly typical use case (jamming it against a chair with your ass and bending the phone)

Bob

@PotatoCat I saw it like 10 mins after ordering the Xperia -_-

allquicatic

@Burgi yes, but often very attractive idiots...

(I notice it's mostly women who do it)

Bob

22:35

Then again, just a rumor.

Potato Cat

is-scotland-an-independent-country-yet.uk

Dammit I wanted them to display side by side

Burgi

are you staring at their arses a lot @allquicatic?

Potato Cat

Looks like merely copy-pasta'ing in vi isn't going to cut it

allquicatic

@Burgi who, me? nope, I never see any women around here worth looking at

Potato Cat

@Burgi Yes

Bob

22:35

@PotatoCat You should make a RESTful API for that site.

Potato Cat

@Bob Lol, considering it's updated once every two years?

arda

@Burgi what are you folks talking about lol

Bob

Yup! :P

Burgi

@arda bendy iphones. what did you think we were talking about?

arda

@Burgi ah, I thought about you were talking about note 7s exploding.

Burgi

22:37

nope

arda

@Bob <?php echo "false"; ?>

allquicatic

@arda except for PHP, not bad

arda

if scotland becomes an independent country, just edit it and make it true

Burgi

ooooh did i mention that i solved the umbraco issues?

allquicatic

needs Angular-style push notifications if it changes

because having hundreds of people keep open TCP connections to his server is precisely what he needs

arda

22:40

@allquicatic I rarely develop web stuff and use php when I do (because they are usually small stuff).

PHP is horrible, but it does what I want. Sometimes.

allquicatic

@arda at least we agree it's horrible

Burgi

i like php... there is no DLL hell to deal with

arda

@Burgi hahahah no

Ben N

Doesn't it just use C-style includes?

arda

php has modules, which are whatevertheyareijustinstallfromaptget on linux and dlls on windows

allquicatic

22:44

I mean, VBscript doesn't have DLL hell either, but that doesn't mean I'd recommend using it

Bob

@Burgi Yea... Just everything-else-hell.

Burgi

the umbraco dev we got in today to do training with me and to help debug the crazy issues with the customer site was stunned at how messy and sprawling it is

Potato Cat

RIGHT

Ben N

Also, I just "discovered" that Windows no longer respects the Microsoft.Policies.WindowsUpdate:NoAutoRebootWithLoggedOnUsers_Title policy -_-

arda

php has so many weird and silent errors

Potato Cat

22:45

So my 30-second dirty hack using deprecated non-conformant HTML actually took 5 minutes, BUT IT WORKED

Burgi

anyway, bedtime

allquicatic

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2

Ben N

Also, either Chrome updated or Windows 10 is doing something weird to it, because it now looks more like Edge

allquicatic

They think if they make it look more like Edge it'll use less battery power :D /snerk

Ben N

After the reboot which I explicitly tried to disable, at least Windows tried to relaunch the programs I had

It did a terrible job though, only Visual Studio came back correctly

allquicatic

22:49

tech.slashdot.org/story/16/09/15/172249/…

Ben N

Oh huh, AdBlockPlus appears to be not working at all now :/

arda

@BenN use ublock origin

allquicatic

agreed

Ben N

Thanks, it works!

I guess the Chrome update somehow broke ABP

Potato Cat

23:07

@allquicatic Hey at least Chrome is a close second, barely behind Edge

Only 10% behind, whereas Firefox was 40% behind. Also Chrome has made a lot of improvements over the last year, apparently

arda

@BenN It is much faster and uses much less resources

Potato Cat

chrome.googleblog.com/2016/09/…

Oh I see I'm too late to chase @allquicatic's bounty

Too bad, I still have facebook messages from a month ago I've not replied to :-/

@Bob

You have the dual-sim S7 edge right?

What's the model number?

Because now that you've mentioned it, it does appear that SIM slots and mainboards for the "generic" S7 (G930F) do in fact have two full sets of contacts for two SIMs plus a MicroSD card. Unless the dual version has the same model number and they're being confused, but I still see no non dual-SIM sim-trays

Bob

@PotatoCat nup, single. They don't sell dual in au

Potato Cat

@Bob Ah

Bob

I was thinking about getting one, but got the xperia instead

Potato Cat

23:20

Then it's up to me to figure out if my regular S7 can be firmware-modded to support dual SIMs

Bob

The thing I was talking about is cause they're turning off the 2G network here so 2G standby is useless

But not many phones can do 3G standby on the secondary

Potato Cat

Yeah, not many phones can do 3G and 4G at the same time either.

(Hence scanning/switching between 3G => 4G cannot be done while 3G RRC is active, though 4G => 3G does work)

In fact, now that I think of it, there's no reason it can't do 4G + 3G standby, seeing as the radio already does that anyway with one SIM.

The 3G radio is quite capable of listening on two channels simultaneously in full active, though the ability to do 3G CA across different bands has only recently been ratified and I don't know if anyone's actually implemented it.

allquicatic

@PotatoCat I gave you plenty of time but gave up on it as I was within the 24h grace period. sorry :(

Potato Cat

The 4G radio of course is totally capable of listening on 3 or even 4 different carriers simultaneously, full active as well. So it's largely a software/firmware limitation.

@allquicatic Hey you said after 23 hours you wanted to let it "bake"! :-P

Then I got distracted by this homelessness business.

Bob

@PotatoCat wouldn't you effectively need two 3G connections? Since you'd have to stay on 4G+3G on primary while doing 3G on secondary?

On different networks, too

Potato Cat

23:24

@Bob If you did 4G on the primary, you only need to do periodic scanning on 3G for cell reselection (if the 4G signal is weak)

Bob

@PotatoCat ah

Potato Cat

And that takes, like, less than 10% of the time.

When on 4G, any request for CS voice call will be sent over the 4G network first, telling the phone to switch to 3G, other than that it doesn't really have to do anything to maintain 3G CS registration.

At least in any sort of sane/modern network.

In some ancient non-integrated (evdo?) US networks the phone does actually have to connect to two networks at a time, 4G LTE for data, and 2G/3G for voice, as if they were completely separate networks.

But in most GSM/UMTS based networks, the LTE is integrated into the same core, so the phone only has to register on one network, and data and SMS come over LTE and voice is initiated by a message over LTE telling the phone to switch to UMTS. Also, VoLTE negates even that as well.

Also the integrated design of most networks gives you the seamless handover, when 4G signal drops or a voice call is required, both your voice and data sessions are handed over to 3G without disconnecting/reconnecting.

Also I really wish they'd bloody turn off 2G already in this country...

I don't think any of our providers have plans to do it.

Or heck, turn off 3G.

Anything but the current clusterfuck of congestion and spectrum waste and spotty coverage and shitty network planning.

bwDraco

23:50

@Bob: Can you get @PotatoCat to explain why I'm ignored?

Sep 8 at 3:20, by bwDraco

Why the BLOODY HELL are we THREE GENERATIONS behind other countries in LTE support?

So it turns out T-Mobile is deploying Cat.12/13 LTE-A across all cell towers.

newsroom.t-mobile.com/news-and-blogs/lte-advanced.htm

I really hope AT&T starts deploying faster LTE-A because I experienced some very bad congestion while I was on the field in a busier part of the city.

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