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1:00 PM

"Or maybe, because we're suddenly having so many conversations through written text, we'll start relying MORE on altered spelling to indicate meaning!" "Wat."

ok so there is the director, make-up person, the actress' agent, someone else who i'm not sure about and a couple of hanger ons from downstairs

all standing about while she pretends to type on a macbook

You forgot the cameraperson and the boommikeperson

and the guy who goes around sniffing people

!!s/guy/dog/

ChatBot John Cavil

@DavidPostill and the dog who goes around sniffing people (source)

1:06 PM

!!s/people/dog/

ChatBot John Cavil

@jokerdino @DavidPostill and the dog who goes around sniffing dog (source) (source)

That's not how I imagined.

there is no audio, they are going to dub that over the finished vid

as far as i can tell there are only 2 people doing something vaguely close to "work"

the actress and the camera guy

That Brazilian Guy

@cat WHAT SORCERY IS THAT

@Burgi I recently saw an ad on TV and thought... hey this place looks familiar... hey it's my workplace

It was a really non business-oriented ad... for Valentine's day

heh

any recommendations on this crazy error?

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1:30 PM

man. I go out and @cat has milked someone's PC in the meanwhile.

That Brazilian Guy

@JourneymanGeek What milk means in this context?

I don't think she threw literal milk on a computer

Journeyman Geek

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Q: Cat knocked milk into desktop gaming pc

About 15 minutes ago my cat jumped on my desk and knocked my glass of milk which was about 1/6 as full into my desktop. My reaction time was quick and I managed to rip all of the cables out of the computer, minus the monitors. However, before I had a chance to remove the cables, I noticed the...

I quite literally mean that the computing device was in contact with bovine mammary product

@JourneymanGeek who said anything about bovine

That Brazilian Guy

@JourneymanGeek by means of feline interaction

Journeyman Geek

could be goat?

I donno, what else do humans drink?

1:39 PM

@Burgi Yes, actually. I have a recommendation.

That Brazilian Guy

@JourneymanGeek lots of stuff. Some not so pleasant.

Try not putting the admin password in the error message ಠ_ಠ

That Brazilian Guy

@Bob ~~stop using iis? :P~~ ahhh

Journeyman Geek

Do I need to redact that @Burgi? ;p

@Bob its encrypted

1:41 PM

@JourneymanGeek well, technically it's encrypted, but it's still not the best of ideas :P

@Burgi yea, was a bit of a joke :P

its also clearly incorrect

any other ideas?

Journeyman Geek

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2:08 PM

ok so... the admin password had expired

love that gif :D Now I want a cam I can attach on my head like that.

Update: Windows 10 upgrade taking over 48 hours...

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._.

Aaand it's ready to install!

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@Boris_yo IT HEARD YOU

2:15 PM

All this time SVCHOST has been high.

Journeyman Geek

@Burgi rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/JapsX_RNNGY/…

higher than a kite yo.

Now is the important moment. Connect HDD and backup or proceed at risk?

You've got backups right? :D

Journeyman Geek

I'd backup before I started the update process

2:17 PM

Old ones.

Journeyman Geek

but I do daily backups

Will backup again after 2 years.

the update was realitively painless for me, the 2 timjes I've done it

@djsmiley2k has your wife birthed yet?

That's not main laptop.

2:17 PM

@Burgi -_- no.

wait... it was friday we last spoke about it

Yah

things were getting serious then, or so we though

Not sure if to make Acronis 11 backup or VeeamBackup?

then we went to bed and everything just 'stopped'

Journeyman Geek

@Boris_yo what do you trust more?

2:19 PM

new error!

> Description: An exception occurred while processing your request. Additionally, another exception occurred while executing the custom error page for the first exception. The request has been terminated.

Journeyman Geek

@Burgi that's more descriptive than... Something Happened

An error occured while erroring

Nice

Journeyman Geek

Dude, I heard you liked errors so I erroored your error

this time it has logged the error in the event viewer

i wonder if i want to risk a server reboot

@JourneymanGeek Used both but only for backup. Never tested for recovery.

2:25 PM

@djsmiley2k I've had that.

My custom error handler had a bug.

No, wait.

Journeyman Geek

@Boris_yo ALWAYS test your backups

Code bug => custom error page bug => global exception handler bug => ???

I ended up adding an extra static fallback error page to catch those :P

Also a triple fault is a BOOM event

A triple fault is a special kind of exception generated by the CPU when an exception occurs while the CPU is trying to invoke the double fault exception handler, which itself handles exceptions occurring while trying to invoke a regular exception handler. x86 processors beginning with the 80286 will cause a shutdown cycle to occur when a triple fault is encountered. This typically causes the motherboard hardware to initiate a CPU reset which in turn causes the whole computer to reboot. == Possible causes of triple faults == Triple faults indicate a problem with the operating system kernel or device...

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There are more airplanes in the sea than submarines in the sky. True cunning as such would be to hide your submarines in the air.

@JourneymanGeek Should I buy external HDD especially for that?

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@Boris_yo I use a secondary hdd on the system. And a backup on a networked drive.

2:29 PM

I use both.

Journeyman Geek

in this case tho, as long as you have something to recover from its good.

Internal HDD for daily scheduled.

External HDD for periodic offline.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob I actually backup to the network, and have the backup backup locally

It's hard to unplug an internal :P

@JourneymanGeek I'm toying with setting up a NAS w/ ZFS

Snapshots!

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@Bob to do that right would be $$$

2:31 PM

@JourneymanGeek Eh...

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amusingly the NAS I use is a seagate. If the drive dies, I'll go **** if and replace just the drive

$300 for a NUC + RAM.

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@Bob for me XD

$250 per 5 TB HDD.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob ZFS should be more than one drive to do right no?

2:31 PM

The problem is it's hard to expand :\

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and you can't mount a 5tb drive in a NUC

raidz1... start with 3x 5 TB?

Journeyman Geek

yup, mini ATX sounds like the sensible formfactor here

@JourneymanGeek USB 3.0.

Well, 3.1 these days.

@JourneymanGeek The external 5 TBs are actually cheaper :P

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@Bob transfer speed, and USB controllers are another point of failure

2:32 PM

@JourneymanGeek ZFS works fine on one drive, you just don't get recovery. It still does checksums and snapshots fine.

@JourneymanGeek USB 3.0 easily handles multiple drives at 200 MB/s.

In practice, 100 MB/s per drive is sufficient.

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@Bob I don't trust em ;p

So USB 3.0 can handle 6 drives; USB 3.1 can handle 12.

@JourneymanGeek How are the USB controllers a point of failure? By that logic, SATA controllers are a point of failure.

They're approximately equally as likely to fail...

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@Bob I've had more USB controllers fail than drives? ;p

@JourneymanGeek I've had, and heard of, exactly 0 USB controller failures...

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I've had 2-3 over time

2:34 PM

What, host controllers?

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yup

wtf kind of hardware are you buying...

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granted its over a long period of time

and my hard drives have been oddly reliable

other than those damned seagates

The USB controllers are part of the mobo the same way SATA controllers are.

Heck, they might even be on the same IC, I can't remember.

Journeyman Geek

Oh, I mean on the wassname...

not on the motherboard

on the USB drive enclosures

2:36 PM

Eh, enclosures... cheap controllers?

Journeyman Geek

presumably

That Brazilian Guy

On a scale between zero and WAT, how bad is it to use git as a backup tool?

I've not seen any failures on the Seagate/WD OEM external drives.

Journeyman Geek

@ThatBrazilianGuy depends on what you're backing up

Heard of some dodgy USB <=> SATA adapters though.

Journeyman Geek

2:37 PM

git is good for 1. text 2. Humans going oopsie.

@ThatBrazilianGuy Pretty high on WAT

Maybe archival, but there's no easy way to trim backup history.

You don't really want to store your first backup forever, most of the time.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob makes even more WAT for binaries unless you have some extensions ;p

fixed it!

@JourneymanGeek Other problem with internals: it's hard to get more SATA ports.

More USB ports is easy.

while i was trying to debug the site earlier i had renamed the index page to txt

2:39 PM

I suppose if you did SAS, but $$$

Journeyman Geek

@Bob I've not run out of sata ports on my desktop, Yet ;p

and 3-4 a system sounds like what I'd build

> Your Order 0000000000000 has been shipped

:D

@JourneymanGeek If I ever do get around to it, I'd be looking at a minimum of 3, expanding to 6, maybe to 9.

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@Bob I don't see me using more than 4 on a mini itx/mini atx. 6 for a full atx.

6 is pretty typical for standard desktop mobos.

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and cases

2:40 PM

And even then typically on the more expensive end.

Guitar Shoe Dave

blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/mssmallbiz/2016/07/10/…

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and at that point I'd want to spread out my data like I'm doing now

@JourneymanGeek I'm currently using 7 (+1 eSATA) on my desktop...

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(and blah, I need to redo my phone/photo backups ._.)

If I were building a NAS I'd want at least 9 for future-proofing. +1 for OS drive.

Though I suppose OS bootloader off USB could work.

Journeyman Geek

2:41 PM

@Bob OS would be m.2 I'd guess

@JourneymanGeek Doesn't that usually share a SATA port?

Unless you use NVMe I guess.

Journeyman Geek

no, PCI x4 no?

yeah NVMe

@JourneymanGeek I wonder if I will be able to later transfer data from HDD upgraded with Windows 10 to SSD.

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@Boris_yo I used my backups to do that.

veem would work for that, if you don't want to use your SSD maker's tool

@GuitarShoeDave mssmallbiz.com/ericligman/Key_Shorts/MSFTFreeEbooks.txt

Journeyman Geek

2:45 PM

@Bob I have all of those ;p

(wget <3)

@JourneymanGeek DTA FTW

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@Bob linux box. And I could probably set up a btsync share if I was so inclined

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O_O that estimated delivery date...

@JourneymanGeek Other thing in favour of USB: I could just pick up the whole thing, hub and all, and plug it into a different machine :P

hm... I feel like I should take a day off Friday for that delivery

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0_0

Guitar Shoe Dave

@Bob: thanks

;)

2:53 PM

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@Bob hong kong so good they named it 3 times?

> Stack Overflow is currently offline for maintenance

Whaaaaa

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

I have scripts I need to ~~copy from stack overflow~~ write for work!

We are aware of issues affecting all Stack Overflow and Stack Exchange QA sites, we are investigating now.

Tweeted by StackStatus on July 20, 2016 at 2:58 PM

@BenN Read: "We're trying to fix it but all our Google results are giving us errors :("

3:17 PM

We are deploying a fix to the web tier now. ETA 3.5 minutes for a full deployment.

Tweeted by Nick_Craver on July 20, 2016 at 3:15 PM

I don't have a credit card but I have a cable Internet bill which I consistently pay on time. Does this build credit? (United States.)

I don't think so, but I'm not an expert on these things

Relevant SE: money.stackexchange.com

blog.credit.com/2015/04/…

This may be interesting.

Oh, that changes things then

@bwDraco Get a credit report.

3:24 PM

A QA engineer walks into a bar. Orders a beer. Orders 0 beers. Orders 9999999 beers. Orders a George Washington. Orders a beer'); DROP TABLE Menu; Orders 2,147,483,647 + 1 beers. Orders -NaN beers. Orders 2/0 beers. Orders. Beer.

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@electronbeam The bar catches fire, but no one knows why.

where do the SO engineers go to get their code when stuff breaks? experts exchange?

A horse walks into a bar ...

A horse walks into a bar Bizarre footage shows joke become reality as animal appears in Manchester

also, just caught a hacker actively stealing databases on one of our servers

@JourneymanGeek I think I will have to use SSD maker's tool. There is 1 sector that needs adjustment when you migrate from HDD to SSD for Windows to work.

3:31 PM

@Burgi Oh, that's a problem

my hacking hell won't end :(

Manchester, yesterday

Are they physically in the server room, or did you get hacked?

hacked

Do you know how they got in?

3:32 PM

almost all our servers have been hacked

@Boris_yo I used Acronis Disk Director just the other day, but I already had a licence for that :P

Seamless migration from boot disk. And damn fast, too.

I expected two hours. It took about 30-45 mins.

@Burgi You should tell @HackToHell to stay out of your servers.

One possibility is that one of your admins was phished

windows vulnerability, obsolete web code, bad passwords

Or that

s/was phished/went rogue/

3:33 PM

i want these boxes gone

!!nuke

ChatBot John Cavil

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they are fucked

@Burgi => disconnect em all from the network (physically), salvage what data you might need, reimage all of them?

call in external help if you need to get it done quick

i know

3:34 PM

(if external $$$ < downtime $$$$... :P)

the directors here won't authorise the cost

@Burgi Have you told your customers?

@Burgi tell them external help costs $$$, downtime costs $$$$, loss of reputation from leaks by keeping it on $$$$$

@Bob With USB 2.0 in my laptop it will take half day...

@DavidPostill the account managers are aware

3:36 PM

@Boris_yo how big's the drive, anyway?

my times were for ~200 GB used on a 320 GB drive.

@Burgi actionfraud.police.uk/report_fraud

ico.org.uk/for-organisations/report-a-breach

"Under the Data Protection Act (DPA), although there is no legal obligation on data controllers to report breaches of security, we believe that serious breaches should be reported to the ICO."

Matt Jens Jensen

@DavidPostill In the US, there's also virtually no consequences for companies who got their user's data compromised out of pure willful negligence

In case of any particular risk to the security of the network, providers of publicly available electronic communications networks or services must provide information to subscribers without delay about the risks and any possible remedies (including the likely costs involved) even where the proposed measures are outside the direct control of the undertaking.

In case of a personal data security breach affecting even one individual, providers of publicly available electronic communications networks or services must without undue delay:

@MattJensJensen Aren't there class action lawsuits with $$$$$ compensation for data breaches? Whether it is negligent or not?

@MattJensJensen I feel like I'm trusting Niantic too much with my Pokémon Go gameplay activity.

Matt Jens Jensen

@DavidPostill Perhaps, but class action lawsuits aren't the same as government enforced mandatory fines for violations like many other industries have.

@Nick Considering your Go gameplay activity could be used to effectively rob your house while you're away, or find you and kidnap you/murder you, it actually does seem a pretty serious obligation that location data stays securely encrypted.

That Brazilian Guy

3:45 PM

5 hours ago, by mr enigma

all it does is give me a button which takes me to the google stire

@mrenigma @cat It happens to me as well

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@MattJensJensen In the UK companies may be find up to 500,000 UKP for data breaches.

Under section 55A of the DPA, provision is made for the Information Commissioner's Office ("ICO") to impose a monetary penalty on data controllers who breach their obligations. These are in addition to the ICO's powers to issue Enforcement Notices requiring data controllers to do or refrain from doing things in relation to the processing of data. The current maximum monetary penalty that can be imposed by the ICO is £500,000.

How are monetary penalties assessed?

With only a few exceptions, monetary penalties can be imposed on any data controller (but not on a data processor who is proce…

@burgi "did the data controller know or ought to have knownthat there was a risk that the contravention would occur, and that such a contravention would be of a kind likely to cause substantial damage or substantial distress, but failed to take reasonable stepsto prevent the contravention."

Matt Jens Jensen

@Nick At the very least, all traffic should be sent over HTTPS, I don't understand why some companies think data that is PII or private conversations can go over HTTP

@Burgi You knew the servers were hacked some time ago ... :/

@DavidPostill poodlecorp. That was just DDOSing.

Matt Jens Jensen

3:48 PM

@DavidPostill The UK is taking a step in the right direction (IMO) about dealing with companies

@electronbeam QA engineer, ha.

You should see one of my old software engineering class reports.

@Nick Wrong

Jun 8 at 21:40, by Burgi

i thought my boss had told her about the hacked server

@cat I'm in a worse situation. I have one day to make an insanely interesting project with a RasPi2 demonstrating IoT. Most of the simple stuff like doorbells and thermostats are already taken.

@DavidPostill Sorry, wrong context.

Jun 3 at 19:10, by Burgi

and the hacked server, he wouldn't let me take it offline or ask the hosting company to spin up a new box

dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64649057/Project1-Report.pdf (cc @electronbeam; will likely be taken down at some point in the future to preserve Dropbox space, but not less than one week from now)

3:55 PM

@bwDraco Not sure how public you want your name to be?

It's public.

k

wow, I haven't seen a test report like that since HS o.O

(...yea, we don't really do much in the way of formal testing & reports at $job)

lol @ $job

@bwDraco $boss is quite common as well :) and the -1 versions $job-1 and $boss-1

Matt Jens Jensen

@bwDraco Crazy, I mean who would use their real full name on the internet, just foolish.

3:59 PM

Jul 8 at 13:14, by DavidPostill

@Burgi He's even more stupid than it appears from your previous comments about boss-1 ;p

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