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00:02
So - your ranks cannot be > your level
Right, I remember that
and the extra 2 must be in knowledges/crafts/perform/... the one I keep forgetting - your job skills one
Oh right
Ah drat
you get class mod to skills + int mod (+1 if you are human)
per level
Yeah. I have +7 skills per level if my int. is 18
2+4(int)+1
00:04
Out of far, far too many General Feats, I've made a list of 12 that Tifer might take:
Will look at Metamagic feats next
... after more Science-ing
all those are reasonable
I get one more, since I chose Spell Mastery above
oh as a human you get 2 feats at L1 I think.
:)
Wait, what's a background feat?
In the rules... a feat you can only take at L1, I think...
00:07
Ah...
Are you figuring those out for us?
(sorry if I'm bothering you too much with questions)
After everyone has finished with their rules given stuff, I was going to help with an adjustment on each character :)
in the form of something we can call a background feat :)
<thinks> holy cow... I wonder if our goblin friend has enough skills to cover all the ranks they will end up getting per level.
How intelligent is Blort...?
Not sure, but Rogue starts at 8
I think it's in the realm of +3?
00:12
There are 21 skills rogues can choose from. I think they're fine
Shucks. The class skills that I currently want/need are diplomacy, ride, and maybe handle animal
I guess also knowledge:nobility because that just makes sense
you mean class skills?
Yes
18 hours ago, by bobble
Will fancy background feats give me any skills, and/or should I worry about that?
Valid question I was just going to ask :P
Otherwise I'm going to start picking my feats. Do you have the google sheet stuff gray?
One sec...
I have to swap laptops ;p
I don't want to leave this open forever so: bit.ly/2ZMIWmk
let me know - I can forward it to mith and borg a bit more easily than anyone else ^^;
00:25
I can make a copy
Okey, thank you :D
Ooooh cool font
(^_^)b
:D you put rules!
You're amazing gray :)
this is the sheet I made for the noob game I played with work ppl
I actually made all their characters for them
but uh... I haven't made you all a customised list of "good feats" or anything because well >.> I have been busy
but you are all clever enough to look yourselves ;p
00:28
Yes :P
No need to make the feat list :P
Though if there are any feat that you would recommend, let me know :P
I do have a spell sheet too
what do the checkboxes mean?
"is class skill"
I think?
I am guessing you mean beside the skill list?
yep
Wait, non-class skills are 2:1 you said right?
00:29
to buy, I think
wait
I may be wrong about that
that may be my previous mechanism - yikes
yep ignore that - that was a different house rule for a different game
(coughs)
so 2:1, or not?
@bobble I can get Skill Focus then!
1:1 and class skills give you an extra boost
I think there are better feats, but if you want to :)
Hm, which ones would you recommend?
I'm definitely taking Voice of Sybil because that's very very Lynn
So I have one more feat for this level :D
WOAH it even gives you the bonus
This is very cool Gray :)
@bobble Hm, What would you say: Lynn has higher Dex or Wis?
First instinct is Wis
That's what I'm leaning towards too
Urm how do I account for any bonuses to my checks that are given by feats?
as in skills?
good question - I didn't add them in to the sheet because I was keeping it simple - maybe just include them in the formula.
Because the skill bonus stuff on the character page is automatic
I can't code Gray -_-;
it's just a math formula :)
Still
I'll figure it out :P
go to the cell and put a +2 in the equation, or whatever your bonus is
00:39
Can you be proficient in multiple perfomances?
yeah, you can add other ways you can perform
eg Oratory
And I can use my +2 to performance to get a level in say "Sing" and "oratory"
(Profession! that's the one I keep forgetting)
Er
I thought you said
(the job one)
00:41
> and the extra 2 must be in knowledges/crafts/perform/... the one I keep forgetting - your job skills one
yes - I did - the one I keep forgetting is called "Profession" :p
and you get two ranks, not a bonus
Ah okay
Ohhh
Wait but that exceeds my level (confusion)
so you can use that to gain a rank in Performance (singing) and one in Performance (oratory)
Oh okay
Perfect
All those 4 effectively have subcategories in PF
it's like a concertina of skills.
00:43
I was talking to 'borg about this but can I have like a special kind of performance gimmick?
if you have a similar skill then I will let you roll anyway, but the difficulty may be different
gimmick? :)
So, I would like Lynn's primary musical talent to be composition
By the thing is
You can't just like drop a concerto without the instruments
I was wondering if Lynn can just like "manipulate a small portion of the environment" effectively creating sound waves to... make composition?
That sounds really complicated
well you can definitely use ghost sound to help with that... I have a thing I would like to do for you in the future though :) a bit past the start of the game, if that is okay :)
Okay, no problem
I could use Ghost Sounds to just like
Create an orchestra?
That's kinda sick
effectively, probably not as loud as one... :)
but it would give the effect of you singing with an orchestra backing
or talking over an orchestra backing, if you wanted it to be
What performance does that even fall under?
I'm just going to say singing
What is the background feat stuff you had in mind, Gray?
Kinda curious
well just an extra bonus in a character related area that isn't covered by your class stuff
i've basically got everything done on sheet since i didn't do any spellcasting/wild stuff
00:50
hehe
You're more of a point-and-quip guy
I'm a "lol you thought your attacks could hit a swashbuckler?" type
"hey you know how you were about to do an attack roll. how about no"
Quick skill confirmation: I get 2 (wizard) + 1 (human) + 4 (Int) + 2 (special Gray stuff) = 9 skill ranks to throw around?
00:53
yes - with the quals on those extra 2 :)
One is going into Knowledge (local) and the other is probably another kind of Knowledge
was meaning to ask you, Gray - i didn't take any this time but i was curious if you allowed Story Feats? there is one that fits Rio very well that i might take later, but i know they are weird niche feats so figured i would ask.
they're basically just feats that change depending on story triggers
Ah yes - I remember those... I don't really see why not.
awesome, i will take it later then and DM you explaining why :p
Also DMed an explanation of background feat like thing.
00:58
ooh
I feel like y'all have more Cool Plot Hooks and backstory than I
@bobble I don't think that is true at all...
> Characters who take a level in a favored class have the option of gaining 1 additional skill rank or an additional hit point
?
eh - I have replaced that with the extra skill points all the time.
with no "favoured class" stuff
because I am not fond of restrictions for race/class combos ^^:
(or not restrictions but... enticements to stick with the normal - I go for abnormal!)
Extra skill points...? Is that the +2 extra skills (with an asterick)
01:06
yes :P
sorry - skill "Rank"
Ah, I see
Yeah, sorry, I should clarify that
also you get max hp every level
so... mreh ;p
But so do monsters and enemies O_O
01:07
Yeah so I didn't clarify before - you are "Heroes" and there are also "Villains"
only capitalised peeps will be special...
there are villains / enemies / whatever that are minion quality that get the standard treatment ;p
I go for cinematic fantasy
so your "plot immunity" is in the form of a boost... but the main villains get a bit too ;p
it's a bit of the Rule of Cool with an excuse
I hope that makes sense
@bobble so... I have a thing for Tifer but I might need some guidance :)
okay...
01:16
So Tifer likes showy evocation elemental magic?
He likes short bursts of magic that are obvious magic
right okay :)
Um, I might need to explain why he has Drench as a cantrip
(so wait - we don't get Favored Class benefits?)
Dumping water on people is 1) obviously magic to the observer 2) likely to distract/confuse people so he can bolt and 3) doesn't cause obvious damage/magic marks
01:19
@Sciborg no
(oh - not in addition, sorry borg - I forgot to tell you
(drat. no worries)
(it isn't as good as all the other stuff anyway ;p
(erases a Panache Point :p)
He'll need some spells which leave effects, but he does like Drench ;D
01:20
(snerks
@Graylocke (We get access to the bonus spell slots per day right?)
because of your high stats? yes
@bobble hehe
Drench is a good indication of Tifer's magical style - distraction and no injuries
01:21
He'd really rather not get into a full-on fight
Urf. Maybe I should have 20 charisma instead... but that means I have to give up a skill
Though I'll probably give him one proper attack spell, for emergencies
Lynn is definitely proficient in appraise right? Being a noble?
Or maybe because he's a noble he doesn't know how much things cost
Actually the latter makes more sense
But but
Before when I said Tifer would fireball people - I imagined that being a single Fireball, followed by running and hoping they don't pursue
He might even make it go off right in front of them, to make a point without injury
the ol' Fireball-and-Run :P
01:26
Oh, you can't make intelligence checks without having at least 1 rank in it?
Hey, would you run after someone who just demonstrated they can Fireball you?
That's kind of dumb
hm? I often let people make related checks in knowledge skills.
Well, apparently I can't make linguistics checks without being trained it in except under certain circumstances
Gray, are we allowed to cast spells in higher slots like in 5e?
You can't make a check for a language you don't know, but if it is a related language, I will let you roll to see what you can understand. If it is way out there, I will tell you that you can't possibly succeed.
01:28
Like a level 1 spell in a level 2 slot?
They don't get any bonus like in 5e, unless you are using metamagic
But I can still use it, right?
Or no?
... I can't think why not - it seems like a penalty more than a bonus in most situations.
Well at least in early levels :P
Because in the bonus magic slots, I get access to 2 more level 1 slots, a level 2 slot, level 3 slot and level 4 slot and a level 5 slot with a charisma of 20
but you don't get those slots unless you can cast spells of that level
01:31
Ohhh
I knew there was a catch
I'm trying to decide whether getting an extra level 1 spell slot is worth it for sacrificing my intelligence
thou must sacrifice thy vast intellect
I can cast a level one spell 4 times a day with my current charisma... that's pretty good already
Going from 18--> 17 is rough, considering that skills and number of languages I can learn is directly tied to that
@bobble Okay so for Tifer, I am considering the following - when you are in/around a crowd, you can sense if there is some change to the prevailing mood...
01:36
Yeah, it's not worth it
I can level up my Charisma at level 4 anyways
I think Lynn will take hypnotize
@Graylocke If I take still spell, does that mean that I can cast one level spell in a level two spell slot given from my bonus?
hmm...
Yes, seems like a Tifer thing
(Also, can voice of Sybil also apply when I'm singing? The Performance +1 triggers for oratory, but it wouldn't make sense if it was just oratory. I would argue it should also work for singing, since that's using your voice)
(Also means I can save a skill to put elsewhere :P)
@bobble Hm, some stuff for Lynn in wisdom doesn't really make much sense
Like I don't think Lynn has +3 to survival
But Perception and Sense Motive? Definitely
I really want to give Lynn some negative skills
And not sure Lynn would have... +3 to healing
Wait... wizards really don't get to use that many spells
01:54
wizardry requires planning
and also taking Drench every day
very important
Lol
What languages should Lynn get?
He gets 5 since he has a rank in linguistics and a +4 int mod
rank in Intelligence?
huh?
you mean Linguistics?
My bad I'm really sorry
we'll never forgive you
01:57
i could use a language suggestion as well, since i had one that i couldn't decide on - none of the options really jumped at me.
I'm definitely taking Dwarven and Elvish - those are really common
Dwarven?
Aren't they all gone?
Dwarves are extinct
Oh oof
Nevermind
To hell with it I'm sure there's some Dwarven documents
Hm
Nah

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