Tifer's Neutral Good, I don't think I mentioned that before

I think Lynn is probably chaotic good

Can't be Lawful, since he's fine with breaking rules (stealing, etc.) regularly for life

Yeah

But not chaotic?

Can't be Chaotic, because he likes some rules and guidelines

Lol

And Good for obviousness

Nice lil' boy

Yes

Hm, can't tell if Saffra is chaotic good or neutral good

Chaotic Good felt like the only correct alignment for me

Yea

I kind of want a lawful neutral character

Steals from the rich and does Crimes, but is generally a decent dude

Actually... hm I don't know if Lynn is Lawful or Chaotic

Key reason why he isn't Chaotic: I don't know how to be chaotic

Lynn actually struck me as True Neutral

Not really leaning any direction

Yeah, a little

Kind of just does what he wants

He just kinda wants to escape his life and live his own life

Yeah

That strikes me as either Neutral or Lawful Neutral

Because he definitely wouldn't break laws

I think Lynn is more Lawful Neutral, he just hates the laws that are set in place for him, in a sense

Like the social code

He thinks is dumb

Yeah. That's the vibe I got too

He'd be fine with logical, well-reasoned laws

You can be Lawful Neutral while also hating stupid laws :p

Yeah, I think Lynn is a Lawful Neutral character

Saffy is 100% Chatic good

It's the elven blood :P

'Tis the elf in her :p

She got all the elven traits without the super powers

That's gotta kinda suck :P

But she cool

Plus Saffra is just dying to be a hero or smthing

That's all that matters

Save people

She doesn't need elven superpowers to be badass

Lynn does have a little bit of rebel in him though

A tad mischievous

He does? Where? :P

Idk, maybe the fact that he sneaks an orphan wiazrd into his lessons? :P

This is true, this is true

Lynn is like in between Lawful Neutral and True Neutral

But had to lean slightly more towards lawful neutral if need be

(For purposes of anything that like is dependent on alignment)

Honestly you could probably have a character arc where you move slightly towards Neutral Good over time as you learn the value of Friendship

I could see it

Depends on the direction he's going to go

Considering Spell Mastery

In case he can't get to his spellbook for a day, I could see Tifer carefully memorizing a few key spells

That's really good

Ooh

I think as a wizard you have to prepare your spells like every day anyways

So if you memorize a few you know you're going to need

@Sciborg Maybe

You agree this seems like Tifer?

Yes

Very Tifer

I could definitely see Tifer being really resourceful and having backup plans, so like he memorizes spells in case he loses his spellbook etc

Remnants of street living

I still need to decide my other first level spell

Would Tifer carry his spellbook around? Or is it too big?

If too big I could see him stashing it at Pirate Dad's place

Hehe

Pirate Dad can be your book-carrier :D

must protect the Spells

Which seems more like Lynn? Having a spell where he can make people hear stuff or hypnotize people?

Pirate Dad could be touched when Tifer trusted him enough to ask Rio to hold onto Tifer's spellbook

awww!!! <3

Awww

@PrinceNorthLæraðr They're kinda both like him because they are designed to mess with people, either one works :P

yeah

Lynn: "this is not the street kid you're looking for" waves hands around

Lmao

Oooh, there's also lock gaze

Good ol' sleep

i think you mean "the staring contest of death"

"Hey, LOOK AT ME while I'm talking to you"

channeling his parents?

Lynn just whistles and does the little eye-finger thing. "Look at me. Hey. Look at me."

Ear-Bursting Scream is going to be such a fun spell to cast around

the ear-whatting what

sites.google.com/site/pathfinderogc/magic/all-spells/e/…

Ear-piercing, sorry

the first one sounds way more terrifying :P

imagine if Lynn could just make your eardrums explode

Lynn: "Have you ever heard two piccolos playing a minor ninth interval and they're both out of tune?"

Lynn throwing tritones at enemies

Minor seconds

Hit 'em with them cadences

Bwahaha

"Here, take a diminished seventh"

If Lynn ever learns power-word kill, it'll just be him playing the Funeral March by Schubert or whoever wrote that

I've always kinda wanted to write a book where the magic system was music-based, imagine how amazing it would be if two wizards were just brandishing guitars at each other

Bwahaha

"YOU STRUCK THE WRONG CHORD THIS TIME, MERLIN"

@Sciborg You know how in DnD magic is based on the "fabric" or whatever it's called

and the more complex the song/chord progression, the harder and more powerful the spell

@PrinceNorthLæraðr yeah

Okay, so I need to get approval from Gray, but I was wondering if Lynn can just directly access that with his music

Basically he can just... make music out of thin air

*with exceptions

So.... Lynn will take some levels in bard? :P

Nah, he's full sorceror

That's a neat concept, I like the idea of magic letting him access the weave

Like that's just how his magic works

Music

Because like I want Lynn's musical thing to be composition except that's a bit hard to ya know, perform on demand

His "performance" skill

Along with his voice, of course

Yeah

That would be neat :)

I don't think that's breaking any game mechanics?

Does Rio have permission to loudly join in with a sea shanty

It's like singing - he doesn't need any instruments

@Sciborg Maybe

Like Lynn is playing some beautiful classical music and then Rio starts belting out "WHAT DO YOU DO WITH A DRUNKEN SAILOR" :P

Bwahaha

Lynn

"I'm about to show you 1812 Overture my friend"

Summons cannons

"LEAVE HER JOHNNY, LEAVE HERRRRRR"

Our combat is just going to be a mess

Lmao imagine Lynn just torturing poor souls with meme songs

"Look, you tell us the secrets of how to enter, or I'm going to tie you to this chair and make you listen to sweet caroline until your ears start bleeding"

Now you've given me a mental image of Lynn blasting All Star

@Sciborg will Rio even let Tifer go into combat :P

@bobble Maybe :P

@Sciborg Whenever Lynn casts knock a corporeal image of shrek just appears

"SOMEBODY ONCE TOLD ME"

Oh lord

Thank god knock is a second level spell

And if Lynn really hates the guy, he turn on Nyan cat

please no

Make it stooppppp

If we ever need to torture someone, we're going to have Lynn play All Star at them while Rio yells pirate shanties

They'll break in seconds

Yes

The tough ones get like that annoying frog song

"I will summon Shrek on you"

"Wh-wha-what's going on-on?"

"MAKE IT STOPPPP"

It deals 8d8 psychic damage

Okay, I deleted all the feats which I can't possibly take as a level-1 human wizard

Down to 170 rows

claps

Will start deleting feats that Tifer wouldn't take

I've been watching dumb videos like this one

Today I learned there is a subgenre of YouTube videos dedicated to Lego science

Important note: this is just the general feats

Have not even looked at Combat or Metamagic

There are.... way too many feats in PF1

Yeah

I was going to ask Gray for permission to take a super weird niche one that lined up with backstory stuff, but decided to just take a useful combat one instead

Might take it later

Well I have 1 feat selected

I get at least one more, and did Gray say we get an extra on top?

Gray said we get another one??

I'm not sure

I have a half-memory

If so, I'm taking the niche one I decided against because it's really cool

@Sciborg This man builds submarines and breaks steel with lego

Or woman. Or person. Shouldn't judge gender

no, looks like I misremembered the extra feat

That's okay - will save the weird feat for later

Ooh I didn't see the 2 extra skill points

Nice

Assuming that means we just get 2 more skill ranks right?

Time for Rio to achieve his being-proficient-in-singing dreams

@bobble Dammmmnnnn

We get a LOT of stuff

That's pretty sick

My boi can sing and dance now

Tifer has 19 Int, 18 Dex, 16 Wis, 15 Cha, 14 Con, and 13 Str

I'm not used to having so many bonuses

Figured we would at least have one skill we sucked at :p

Maybe that's the 2 extra thing

True

"Here's my list of terrible things"

"Things I Suck At"

"Choice 1: Fail every other save"

"Choice 2: You always roll attack with disadvantage"

"Choice 3: You die"

o-o

What is the likelihood of at least one dance-off occurring in this campaign?

if i'm around, very high

eat my +8 to ballroom waltzing

... where does a pirate learn to ballroom waltz?

...backstory :p

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How does Rio make a living?

I figure he's probably doing craftswork or miscellaneous dock jobs at the moment, to feed/shelter himself and Tifer

He also does some work for Simon occasionally

Would Tifer still be pickpocketing for money/food?

Rio would disapprove because he worries, but he wouldn't stop you

He hasn't introduced Tifer to Simon yet

"Hey, buddy, see this kid I adopted"

He's worried Simon would be mad at him :p

They are supposed to be focusing on getting the ship back, so Simon would see a kid as a distraction

I think Tifer would probably still go out and pickpocket some small things, to keep in practice - he'd hate being entirely dependent on someone else for food & shelter

Rio isn't opposed to some minor thievin', he wouldn't mind as long as you come home

What would Simon think of Lynn?

He would call you.... many names :p

Rio's first mate isn't quite as soft and squishy

Haha

Lynn has his ways of coaxing people

Pirate Dad is a big teddy bear in comparison

Like maybe buying a boat might do it?

Pirate Dad is a big teddy bear

Jk gray probably won’t allow that

@bobble You're not wrong

Lynn: “A boat, did you say? Well my yacht collection”

I had Rio lose the boat because i figured Gray wouldn't allow us to have it at first level - maybe later through Adventures we'll get it back :P

But I really, really hope we get to sail somewhere at some point because it'd be hilarious

Pirate Dad would just be in his element

He would make Lynn scrub the deck

He would try

Yes

By that point Lynn is probably strong enough to just like

Make you scrub the deck

Arrrr, he can try

I look forward to seeing both of you do spells because it'll be really cool

some of these feats seem to assume that your familiar can be used in combat

Magic in Pathfinder is wild

Lumra is... not a combat rat

Lumra cannot fight, but she can melt my heart, and that's what matters

she can spy, though

Hehe

I think Lynn will take hypnotism

Gray!

heya

floof-a-doof?

@Graylocke Gray, why are we all so powerful at level 1? Do we get a devastating curse as our final two things? o_O

Or I shouldn't "so powerful"

More powerful than expected at level 1 :P

<shrugs> PF is quite amped compared to 5e

It's okay - challenges are also scaled ;p

Aye. They don't have "ability score can't be higher than 20 rule

I would only point out that you may have a lot of options and abilities, but so will enemies ;p Don't underestimate all NPCs ... you don't necessarily get script immunity ;p

Oh, that's very true :P

It's like when 'borg was like

"Yes, all of your crits are doubled, but so are your enemy's crits"

Couple questions gray, hope you don't mind :P

does Gray have a mind? o_O

Not just "a" mind, he probably has multiple minds

Floofs have an intricate synapse of brains that travel over several distances from what I have heard

@bobble <.<;

So Maestro gets access to a couple of bonus feats, but two of them require me to have access to bardic performance as a prerequisite (because it uses bardic performance stuff)

Does Maestro's third level ability count as a bardic performance?

> Fascinate (Ex): At 3rd level, you gain the ability to use a Perform skill to cause one or more creatures to become fascinated with you. This acts as the fascinate bardic perform ability, except the save DC is 10 + 1/2 your sorcerer level + your Charisma bonus, and it lasts 1 round/level. You may use this ability once per day at 3rd level, twice per day at 8th level, three times per day at 13th level, and four times per day at 18th level.

Or bardic performance

@PrinceNorthLæraðr *does

Uhm - I will check for you :) I think it will, at 3rd level.

But I will look into it this evening to be sure

Okay, thank you

I think it is? Fascinate is a bardic performance ability, but Idk if acts as = actually counts as. shrugs

Second thing

So this feat is cool and fits with Lynn's nobility stuff

I know I'm asking for a lot, but I was wondering if I could switch out "Performance" for like a different skill for Scion of Art?

Because I already get performance as a class skill

poof, +3 to all Ride checks

@bobble Oooh

You can totally justify being focused on Ride

I knew there was a feat lying around somewhere that let me get a class skill

"class skill"

I wanted a class skill though because it's not as costly

Since non-class skills are a 2:1 ratio

Two "skill" per level

But it might not be a too big of a price, since I'm getting an extra 2 skills per level

I'm getting... 9 skills per level?

That's not bad