my eyes unfortunately like to get worse every year

I have opposite eyes. One is nearsighted and the other farsighted. So I can see everything, but without the glasses only one eye can see stuff and the other one is fuzzy (no matter the distance!) so it's a strain. Glasses force both eyes to the same level and make them work together.

i've never heard of that but that sounds kinda awful

my eyes suck but they generally suck at the same prescription level, at least

the main issue with me is that my already-bad eyesight is coupled with diplopia, which is basically a type of cornea damage that gives you double vision but all the time. the bifocals help to correct that more than regular glasses do

hence why i complain about eyesight being dumb a lot

my corneas are just a disaster zone

how goes the science, bobble?

three out of four holes have been made

good. continue the science

I am enlarging holes by the Scientific (tm) method of sticking a thing in and pressing down while turning

highly scientific

doggo is watching me

she has the "please pet" face

pet the doggo

no

pet the doggo

n o

PET THE DOGGO

N O

THE DOGGO MUST BE PET

Uh

uh, want let the person who just requested access in?

Do y'all know who Stereomac is?

no

I don't believe we have met :/

could someone talk with them in the Lair?

(not me, still avoiding the Lair)

'borg I'm getting math tutor from Deus, do you think you can explain?

i shall boop on over

how goes the math tutoring?

I think it's done now

Very successful

Deus was very helpful and I even got a cool ah-hah moment

Yay!

I've never had Deus not be helpful, honestly

Very true

Now I must return to my studious studies like a good student

good good

i do have to say - there's something very satisfying about actually understanding concepts

Now i shalt depart before I get distractec o\

o/

room topic changed to PSE D&D Chatroom: For D&D campaigns led by Sciborg. Just ping a RO (North, bobble, Sciborg, Graylocke) for access. This is NOT the general Puzzling chatroom, and we'd like to keep it limited to folks we know well. [board-games] [humor] [story] [strategy]

room topic changed to PSE D&D Chatroom: For D&D campaigns for Puzzling friends. Just ping a RO (North, bobble, Sciborg, Graylocke) for access. This is NOT the general Puzzling chatroom, and we'd like to keep it limited to folks we know well. [board-games] [humor] [story] [strategy]

Ah, that's probably better - thank you

Stereo seems to have been just looking for a mod, for some reason

room topic changed to PSE D&D Chatroom: For D&D campaigns for Puzzling friends. Just ping a RO for access. This is NOT the general Puzzling chatroom, and we'd like to keep it limited to folks we know well. [board-games] [humor] [story] [strategy]

We can also bookmark our freeform RPs for later reference, since they're long enough to kinda be mini-sessions

you mean our games of make-believe

we are groWN-UPS DANGIT

i did my TAXES on sunday

not North or I

true, but still

some drama appears to be going down with Stereo now in the Here There Be Dragons chat...

i am watching in incognito mode because i have no idea what their deal is

must leave for dinner

o.o;

@Sciborg A bit confused by it, yeah

How's your day, nomfloof?

long day is long

:(

Sigh

So you know how last week I was very upset because our team lost round one of elimination for Mock Trial because the scorer 3 was stupid?

Well that team is now in the finals

And I'm just

We were good enough to be in finals

We genuinely were good enough to be in finals

virtual hugs

Thanks

sigh

I swear if they win championships

I'm going to be so mad

I hate to trash-talk people but they were really boring. But I guess attorneys like that? I don't know, who knows?

Also how active is this chatroom, lol

more than the Lair :P

Fair, but there are also like not very many users who chat here

tailhugs a North

flail

*waves to Gray*

Gray, do you recommend any particular character sheet?

@Mithical Heya Mith!

So far for skills I have Int > Dex > ? > ? > ? > Str

There are some nice ones, I really like spreadsheet versions though - I can link you one I made >.>; You can even pick a colour you want it in ^^:

ooh spreadsheets

(From when ppl at work wanted me to run a game, I made them all their own sheets in different colours so they could tell them apart)

(I also bought them all dice because I was nice >.>:)

There are some PDF versions, but... if you're online, you may as well have a Google Sheet, right? >.>;

It does some of the calcs for you too ^^;

this is true

Do you have input on the ordering of Con, Cha, and Wis?

Wis will help with Perception? Cha will help with interaction skills but you may or may not care about that... Con ... well wizards are a little crunchy. Some extra hit points are good.

Though superheroes get max HP so ;p

no rolling for HP here.

Perception seems like a thing Tifer would be good at

Int > Dex > Wis > ? > ? > Str

Tifa... is talkative with ppl they know... some of the time? but not so much with others?

I wasn't quite sure how you wanted them to be? :)

Talkative with people he trusts and carefully polite to everyone else

I feel like you have a good excuse either way around with the other two, and it won't significantly alter your stats

don't forget that you get to add +2 to one of those scores as well

Floating +2 is going into Int, for Magic

hmm, I could make Dex above Int and then Int would come out above

<nods> so 20 Int? smarter than anyone ;p

not that people can tell he's smart >.>

Oh that too. So your bonus (the one that gets added to things) is floor(stat -10 / 2)

I know firsthand that people underestimate lil' kids

so if you go 20 int, you get a +5, 19 Int will be +4

Oh definitely ;p

Cha > Con

squishy little wizard boy

<nods> OKies :D

Con is really only good for HP, and it will be what... 14 vs 15, so I think they are both +2

What about skills?

How many do I choose? Do I choose any twice?

How would chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/57127727#57127727 result in modifiers, incidentally? (I'm still a bit unsure how modifiers work exactly...)

@bobble So you can have only as many ranks in a skill as your level, so you can't choose them twice anyway :)

@Mithical Ah! That is what I put up there. Your ability modifier = floor( (raw ability score minus 10 ) / 2 )

Then: how many?

@bobble your class gives you a number of skills ranks per level and as a human you get to add one to that

So.. 2+1 = 3

@Mithical As an example 22 Dex = +6

...raw means with or without the race modifications?

got it, thanks

Oh no, sorry - just the pure number

which is almost never used for anything by itself

It's a hangover from the original D&D, I guess

@bobble also - one sec

@bobble you also get your Int mod on that... which will be what... +5?

so 8?

ooh

oof, must sleep

\o

oh yeah!

@bobble tailhugs a bobble sleeps well, dreams nice

But you will also get 2 more ranks in 2 different knowledges / crafts / performance /

er the other one...

Also - I might prefer this link pinned actually

Pathfinder Character Creation Guide: d20pfsrd.com/basics-ability-scores/character-creation

And I will link everyone a base empty sheet if they want in Google Sheets? You can copy it to your own drives? Is that a good plan?

Sounds good

\o/

Let me go find my "simplified rules" sheet :)

Uhm... okay - that took longer than expected

@msh210 I'd suggest we do tonight instead but I doubt @Sciborg is available

@Mithical I am, fwiw.

Note also -- I have not been following this other story that people have been weaving in this room. I don't need to, right? It's completely separate from our own campaign, right?

@msh210 right, unless you want to join a second one

I'm DMing my other group tonight unfortunately, so it looks like it will be a wash.

No worries - Timid Trio can just have their small road trip session in the meantime.

@Graylocke Oooooh

@bobble If you go +20 Intelligence, you'll be smarter than Lynn, if you go +19 intelligence, you'll still be smarter than Lynn, but only by a small margin

Is there a problem?

I want Tifer to be Very Good at magic (since he so squishy)

Yes, but Lynn should also be very good at magic :P

Lynn has 19 Charisma and 18 Intelligence

Though, to be fair, you should probably just go with 20 Int., since you might not need the +4 to the second stat as much as Lynn -_-;

Unless there's something specific in Dex you want

Tifer's Dex is already pretty high, suitable for a little kid who had to be quick all his life

Yeah

20 Int and 17 Dex are pretty high stats

Have you figured out what feat you want? You should definitely check out the metamagic section for magic-related feats

I get two, right?

Two feats?

Why?

humans get a bonus feat

I thought that was just an extra feat

Does that mean I also get two feats? O_O

AWESOME

1 feat if you're non-human, non-fighter. 2 feats if you're human or fighter, 3 feats if you're human fighter

Ohhhh

Thank you!

this is why you take human >.>

~Hell ya, now we got business~

* business

now you got MORE CHOICES

I can't take combat feats right?

@bobble ;-;

:D

That's exactly how I feel

> Brawlers, fighters, gunslingers, magi, swashbucklers, and warpriests can select combat feats as bonus feats. Members of other classes can take combat feats provided that they meet the prerequisites.

Ah, I see

SO I'd need to be like a magi-Maestro or smthing

... this list is so long

Yeah

Well, I already get Scribe Scroll for free

I think

Nice

I get eschew material for free :D

I'll have three feats!

Lynn definitely needs to take Voice of Sybil

That's such a Lynn thing

This is a cool feat for Tifer

(wrong feat. fixed)

Well, you'd need this first

That would eat up both feat slots

Yeah

Probably not worth it

Metamagic feat would prob be better... though we do need to ask Gray about the extra spell slot from our spellcasting score

Do you have any suggestions?

for... ?

Lynn. Sorry

suggestions for a metamagic feat Lynn would take?

Any feat. Just anything you've seen that you thought "hm, Lynn might take that"

More specifically, seems like Lynn's character

If not, no worries lol

I'm thinking of taking Still Magic as my feat, because it works really well with my bloodline ability

;-; I found a feat where the flavor is perfect for Tifer, but it has a pre-req feat and I'm not sure what the mechanics are doing (or even if it's useful)

(Conceal Spell)

Which feat?

Ah

Oooh, check out this feat for Lynn

very Lynn

@bobble Ah, yup. Deceitful is indeed a feat

The flavor of casting spells secretly is so very Tifer

You can talk to Gray about it ;P

> You are a member of a proud noble family, whether or not you remain in good standing with your family.

@Graylocke Do Maestros get a bardic performance at level 3?

> Fascinate (Ex): At 3rd level, you gain the ability to use a Perform skill to cause one or more creatures to become fascinated with you. This acts as the fascinate bardic perform ability, except the save DC is 10 + 1/2 your sorcerer level + your Charisma bonus, and it lasts 1 round/level. You may use this ability once per day at 3rd level, twice per day at 8th level, three times per day at 13th level, and four times per day at 18th level.

What do you think of Diplomatic Ruse (Teamwork) for Lynn? Though I'm not sure one extra free action would be helpful often...

Let me see

Oh, I can't take it right now

I'd need 3 ranks of Diplomacy

oop, did not see

;-; I want something that will remove all feats I don't quality for

Then it would be easier to choose between the rest

@bobble Bwahaha

> Scion of War: You use your Charisma modifier to adjust Initiative checks instead of your Dexterity modifier.

That seems useful

But Lynn's dex (16) is pretty high, though getting a +4 on initiative is pretty darn useful

Ah, drat, it has to fit the flavor of my noble house

> Scion of the Arts: You gain a +1 bonus on all Perform checks, and Perform is always a class skill for you. If you have the bardic performance ability, you can use that ability for an additional 3 rounds per day.

Seems pretty Lynn to me, though I might talk to Gray about letting me have another skill since urm I already have performance -_-;

Or I might just take still magic

Bah, I'm making a list of all feats I qualify for

copied the webpage into a Google Sheets and just gonna delete the rows which don't apply

I see we are being productive this morning :P

shush

I don't have two tests before lunch

I'm definitely not surfing the internet and eating Skittles

we're getting laid off no matter what i do so i kinda don't care anymore

Would Rio be religious?

Rio is definitely agnostic, i can't picture him being into religion

the god myths would just be another one of those funny pirate stories to him

is Tifer into any god?

I dunno, was trying to figure out

if he was he would be private about it, but I'm not sure he is

I feel like Rio is the kind of dad where he thinks it's utter hogwash, but if Tifer believes in something he would try his hardest to be supportive

Naw, Tifer strikes me as someone who wouldn't want to trust in faraway gods

The gods let Bina die, at the very least, so I figure that would put Tifer off

Is Lynn religious? o_O

@Sciborg I don't really have school on Wednesday, shush

he could also be "religious" on the surface for family/politics reasons, but not believe

well I mean believe because the gods are accepted as real

but you know what I mean

i always interpreted D&D/PF religion as basically everyone accepts that the gods are real, because they are tangible and walk the earth - but that doesn't mean you have to worship them or agree with their decisions

and not every myth is true and not every god has proof

Also Saffra is a lady - which means more reason why Lynn's parents hate her >:D

ah yes, Sexism

Well, more like rank

oh. i thought you meant literally :p

Lynn is a prince - he's royalty, though kind of in a very weird, obscure way

"Nobility"

"Royalty"

"Prince" with heavy air quotes

Yes

But Saffra's family has no actual blood claim or family claim to the throne

he's like the Game of Thrones version of a prince where he's technically in line for the throne, but like 69th in line behind a lot of conflicting bloodlines

They're just powerful landowners. Lords and ladies

@Sciborg Yeah, pretty much

There's a feat where if two people take it, they can talk telepathically

Oooh

(Bonded Mind (Teamwork))

Rio loves Tifer very much, but he's a little reluctant to let people in his head :p

the flavor says it's not telepathic, but the mechanics are quite like telepathy :P

@bobble Lynn and Saffra? :P

and I've already kinda staked out my two feats

Which ones?

it's a surprise :p

Hehe

I think it's really funny that Saffra's the one that's like "I'll protect you!" in front of Lynn

The role reversal :P

Meanwhile Lynn is definitely not scared of rats

Lumra is the best rat

still a rat

Rio thinks Lumra is the best rat

Plus she has glowy eyes!

Rio agrees that Lumra is the best rat

Rats bite through clothing and eat our food

Also, I LOVE how literal opposite Lynn and Lae are

Lae is all about practicality. "Silk? Such useless clothing - hot when you want to be cool, cold when you want it to be hot. Can't wash it, and rips so easily."

"Bed? Comfortable yes, but too comfortable. Mustn't get complacent even during rest, you can always be attacked anytime, anywhere. The wild does not care if you are tired."

Meanwhile Lynn's biggest flaw is comfort

Is he arrogant? Yes, slightly, but really just with the things he believes he is skilled in

Anywhom

On an unrelated note - don't forget to pick your Favored Classes, as that gives you a bonus.

Wizard, right?

Whatever your class is, presumably

Just making sure

Hehe, what if I DON'T?

Jkjk

North isn't min-maxing? gasp

Can you help figure out Lynn's spells?

First, Cantrips. I don't know if Lynn gets four or five?

Ghost sounds is a must for Lynn

Read magic

Detect Magic

and Mage hand?

"Read Magic" sounds like the kind of thing a noble literate spellcaster would use

Yeah

Ghost sounds and Read Magic are must-haves for Lynn

I'm just not sure about the latter two

For level 1 spells, definitely Ear-Piercing scream - it's sound based which fits Lynn's magic, and also dazes

I don't know about my second choice though. I'm trying to decide between auditory hallucination or hypnotism

Would Lynn use message?

I may also need an explanation of how skills/skill ranks work, because i completely forgot

do you add ranks and that gives you bonuses?

@Sciborg Don't ask me

> It is easier for your character to become more proficient in these skills, as they represent part of his professional training and constant practice. You gain a +3 bonus on all class skills that you put ranks into.

and then class skills give you a +3 bonus?

Class skills ^

@bobble I don't know. Maybe?

+3 bonus only if you put a rank in it

so each time you invest a rank, if it's a class skill you get +3... but what do you get otherwise

+1?

I think the +3 is a one-time thing?

??? so confused

Pfft damn Lynn has like +10 on performance

As in: 0 ranks = +0, 1 rank = +4, 2 ranks = +5, etc.

I am too

so the +3 is just a one time bonus the first time you put ranks in, and from then on it's +1?

Hold up, pulling out my rule book

I think

it works differently in PF2 so maybe that's why i am confused

> Each skill rank grants a +1 bonus on checks made using that skill.

> If the skill you’re using is a class skill (and you have invested ranks into that skill), you gain a +3 bonus on the check.

Yep

ohhh

so the +3 is just a flat class bonus

and then each rank represents +1

starring for future borg confusion

I want ride to be a class skill ;-;

Pleeeeeeasssseee Gray? (puppy eyes)

I think class skills are set in stone, unfortunately

but Gray might give you wiggle room

Yeah

I mean, I can use the "I'm a noble" excuse

And maybe :P

I get 6 skills... and I have to invest 2 of them for ride just to get one level???

sighs

Heh, I have the Ride skill apparently. Rio's good at riding them boats i guess

Take Animal Affinity?

?

Yeah, but I don't get them as class skills

Though I might end up having to take that just to be good with horses

The problem is I need to still give up 2 skills in it

What is Ride based on?

I found a feat that makes two Int, Wis, or Cha skills Class Skills

...haven't even looked at feats...

need to just finish with the basic stats first

hopefully I'll have time later tonight, and I'm actually at home tonight

@bobble Dex, unfortunately

@bobble Which feat is that?

Cosmopolitan

That's a pretty damn good skill

I wonder if there's like a dex version of that skill

not sure if this one would apply:

> You are the descendant of someone recruited to the Island or the bastard result of an Islander’s illicit pairing with someone foreign to that land.

However

> Though you may not know it, the blood of greatness flows in your veins. Pick two skills that share the same associated ability score. Those skills are always considered class skills for you. It’s possible that Island agents may come looking for you, either to evaluate you for an invitation or to cover up an embarrassing dalliance, as determined by the GM’s whim.

Lets you take Ride and another Dex skill as Class Skills

No idea what that initial flavor thing means

might need Gray to reskin it for the world

Meh, yeah

Not worth it

Ugh, but I still need the nobility feat

I'll see if I can talk Gray into it maybe :P

I've looked through all of the other feats which grant Class Skills and none would be helpful

(the "pick two" feat is Hermean Blood)

I can try to talk Gray about getting an alternative skill

This is because

I already get the performance skill as a class skill from my bloodline, but the nobility grants me the same "class skill" already