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> German (Central Europe) Guten Tag
German (Central Europe) Hallo
German (Central Europe) [informal] Grüß dich
German (Central Europe) [informal] Tag
German (Austria, Switzerland, Liechtenstein) Hoi
German (Austria, Bavaria, Wurttemburg) Grüß Gott
German (Vienna Austria) [in spoken language] Griass God
German (Vienna Austria) [in spoken language] Seavas
German (Bavarian Alps) [in spoken language] Griass di
German (Bavarian Alps) [in spoken language] Griass enk

Oliver Salzburg

9:10 AM

But then again, the whole thing is :P

Bob

@OliverSalzburg eh, you can't make it perfect like this

Oliver Salzburg

Indeed

Bob

IMO the fact that they have Hallo and Guten Tag is good enough... even if the others are extraneous

I blame German for having too many greetings :P

*looks at English*

> Old English Ēalā

o.O

Oliver Salzburg

The thing is, I don't want or need more than 1 greeting per language. The choice they provide only makes it harder to compile the final list. Especially when they have scripts I can't read and I have no idea if that little squiggle in the third version is important or not

This is for a splashscreen in an application

Bob

I'm surprised they didn't include "good morning" for Eng, though. just "Hello" and "Hi"

@OliverSalzburg Hire translators

Oliver Salzburg

9:13 AM

It currently says "Hi" because we don't know the language of the user yet. But this is apparently an issue to some users. "Hi" is too informal. So the next best thing is to just switch up your game

Bob

Or rip it off the Win10 "Hello" screen

Oliver Salzburg

@Bob Can that be done?

Bob

@OliverSalzburg idk, the resource has to be somewhere... but MS might not like that :P

@OliverSalzburg microsoft.com/Language/en-US/…

Oliver Salzburg

lol

microsoft.com/Language/en-US/…

That's what I have in my clipboard right now

Bob

@OliverSalzburg page 2, Hello! Hallo! Windows 10

Looks like the intro screen

probably stored in a resource file somewhere

Oliver Salzburg

9:16 AM

That service is just awesome

Bob

Run a (unicode) strings + grep somewhere over a Windows install? :P

brb dinner

satibel

docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sql/odbc/reference/syntax/… it's a trap.

Oliver Salzburg

9:31 AM

	function randomGreeting() {
		// @see athropolis.com/hello2.htm
		const greetings = [
			"Mirëdita", // Albanian
			"السلام عليكم", // Arabic
			"Parev", // Armenian
			"Здравейте", // Bulgarian
			"你好", // Cantonese
			"Dobrý den", // Czech
			"Goddag", // Danish
			"Goede dag", // Dutch
			"Hello", // English
			"Saluton", // Esperanto
			"Hei", // Finnish
			"Bonjour", // French
			"Guten Tag", // German
			"Χαίρετε", // Greek
			"Aloha", // Hawaian
			"שלום", // Hebrew
			"नमस्ते", // Hindi

That's the best I can do right now

satibel

not bad

Oliver Salzburg

A proper mapping to ISO 639-1 codes would be even better

But let's not get ahead of ourselves!

I just started digging around that website. Jeeze... athropolis.com/index.htm

O__O pointer trail all the way

satibel

you could also add non language greetings, like
01101000 01100101 01101100 01101100 01101111 or 👋

Oliver Salzburg

I already feel stupid for including Esperanto

Like, you make a list of 40 language greetings and you include Latin and Esperanto

Awesome, thanks

djsmiley2k

@Bob requires checking the time

Bob

9:35 AM

@djsmiley2k g'day then :P

satibel

I'd feel more stupid for latin than esperanto.

Native Esperanto speakers

Native Esperanto speakers (Esperanto: denaskuloj or denaskaj esperantistoj) are people who have acquired Esperanto as one of their native languages. As of 1996, there were 350 or so attested cases of families with native Esperanto speakers. Estimates from associations indicate that there are currently around 1,000 Esperanto-speaking families, involving perhaps 2,000 children. In all known cases, speakers are natively bilingual, or multilingual, raised in both Esperanto and either the local national language or the native language of their parents. In all but a handful of cases, it was the father...

@OliverSalzburg they are stuck in a time capsule from 1995.

why does the microsoft waving hand emoji has wifi?

Oliver Salzburg

:D

Burgi

wifi enabled hand

Oliver Salzburg

Weird, I had that page open on the Emojipedia or something yesterday

Ugh, now I added the random greeting to the splashscreen and I can already see the next ticket

"User confused by weird text on splashscreen"

satibel

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dd319070(v=vs.85).aspx
by the way if you are searching for the windows translation files they are in %windir%\[a-zA-Z]{1-3}-[a-zA-Z]{1-3}\*.mui

djsmiley2k

9:44 AM

o_O

satibel

@OliverSalzburg Здравейте is definitely a wirus.

Oliver Salzburg

Apparently, this splashscreen was made by Russian hackers, there are Cyrillic letters in the source

satibel

might I say a virussian? puts on sunglasses

Bob

@OliverSalzburg Found it! :P

C:\Windows\System32\en-US\credprovhost.dll.mui has Hello!

Seth

@OliverSalzburg why would you not include Esperanto?

Bob

9:47 AM

So maybe if you load credprovhost.dll... :P

Oliver Salzburg

@Seth It is unlikely to be the native language of any of our users

@Bob <script src="C:\Windows...

satibel

@OliverSalzburg though it is possible they know esperanto.

Seth

Yes but you were looking for a more universal approach. If you know your userbase limit your greeting to the most commonly spoken languages?

Bob

@OliverSalzburg why do you have a spashscreen

Oliver Salzburg

@satibel Yeah, I'm already taking quite a chance with this selection of languages

@Bob So people don't realize how effing long it takes to load the application

Bob

9:49 AM

...

localise it properly to the languages you actually support

Oliver Salzburg

Well, and we need to build up the UI in the background and whatnot

@Bob We do, but we don't have the users locale information available at that point

Bob

... ... ... ... ...

Oliver Salzburg

We load the user profile from the server asynchonously after login

Bob

that's... that makes building up a list of greetings kinda pointless

Oliver Salzburg

Then we translate the UI on the fly

Bob

9:50 AM

if you don't know the language

Oliver Salzburg

Well, I'm displaying a random one

Bob

@_@

what if someone is incredibly offended by a Russian greeting?

Oliver Salzburg

And everytime you load the application, you get a different greeting

@Bob Then that would be an issue

Seth

@OliverSalzburg use the locale of the device?

satibel

msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/… or similar maybe?

Oliver Salzburg

9:51 AM

Trust me guys, we're not going to adjust the way our entire application load process works

Seth

If the device locale is English the greeting should be "Alright matey!" ;)

Oliver Salzburg

When we display the screen, we have no usable language information. That's it

satibel

@Seth I'm getting right on it...

Oliver Salzburg

And this is not the kind of "feature" to refactor your entire startup process for

satibel

whatever, bikeshed

just display 3-4 greetings randomly, and it'll be ok.

Oliver Salzburg

9:54 AM

You wanna know what an actual "issue" with the old way was?

It wasn't just "Hi", it was "Hi!"

And that ! looks like an upside-down i

So that is weird

People are obviously spending too much time looking at the splashscreen

Seth

I don't know what you're developing in but getting the current locale in C# for example seems rather easy and that information should be available after the first instruction ran. If your application is 90% splashscreen you probably need to improve the splashscreen experience.

You could also just let it change the line every few seconds if you really don't want to do that. Matching the languages your users actually use and that you support would probably be still a good idea.

djsmiley2k

@OliverSalzburg bad font then.

and yes, but you've already said it takes too long to load

X->Y problem

'People spend too long looking at the splash!' -> 'Make it prettier then!'

lol

Oliver Salzburg

@Seth This is a web application running in the browser

@Seth That's what I'm going for now

Oh, that's actually pretty neat

Seth

You need time to prepare the interface in a web application? This sounds ... horrible. If you're actually loading data just display a loading animation instead of a splash?

Oliver Salzburg

@djsmiley2k Right, let's switch up our entire font because in this one, the exclamation mark surprisingly looks like an upside-down, lower-case i. Which is extremely rare!

^ sarcasm

satibel

10:05 AM

make the chrome dinosaur thingy :p

so that they can do stuff while waiting x)

djsmiley2k

@OliverSalzburg :D

user226528

@satibel Not sure I get your "null guy" comment. Is "nifle" supposed to mean "null" in some languages?

Oliver Salzburg

10:21 AM

@satibel I like that! But the screen isn't there that long ;D Takes 5-10 seconds to load the application

satibel

@OliverSalzburg make a flappy bird :p

or just a bubble popper.

Oliver Salzburg

While that would be fun, our solution is supposed to increase productivity and efficiency. Adding something like that into our product would not be beneficial

We can't even add selfie support and filters to our IM :(

satibel

well, just making something that reacts when they click might actually make them focus on loading your app and not start something else while it loads.

or maybe random trivia/tips.

Oliver Salzburg

I like that

But, for now, I'll let it rest

I'll move on to other, similarly important features

satibel

you'd just have to replace the hello list with trivia or tips if you ever want to.

Oliver Salzburg

10:39 AM

@satibel What language would the tips be in though? :D

Given that people use the software at a fair and they are greeting people all day, the different language greetings work well. Trivia-wise, we talked about a "This means 'Hello' in Swedish." line that goes with it

But that, also, brings back the issue that we would have to know the user's language

djsmiley2k

So your product is translated?

Bob

O_O

the voiceover sounds so weird

YunBike X1 - Born For the City

►

like... broken English grammar, but a rather generic accent

djsmiley2k

No more traffic Jam Worried!

it's like they can

only talk very short

sentences which have been

all cut back together

Bob

@djsmiley2k it reads like the translations in their marketing material. In which case, ok, they're not native speakers. But the voiceover guy's accent sounds native!

djsmiley2k

i.e. they typed 2-3 words into google, did translate, listen, spoke them

Bob

10:49 AM

The accent doesn't match the grammar!

Though, it could just be really good TTS

djsmiley2k

nod

Also the person speaking hasn't seen the video

Seth

"Hey install tool XY on server Z, please."

"Why? What's the benefit?"

"We always install it?"

djsmiley2k

lol love those ones @Seth

defalt

can someone clarify these comments just below the question? The comments are saying "you do not encrypt anything while signing. you only sign" and i'm saying that to sign a message you encrypt its hash so encryption does take place in the process. Who is correct?

6

Q: Why do the roles of public/private keys reverse when talking about public key encryption and digital signatures?

With public key encryption you encrypt using a public key. But when creating digital signatures you sign by encrypting a hash using a private key. I understand the principles of these two uses of public key cryptography, but I cannot reconcile in my head how or why the roles of the keys suddenl...

Seth

Yes, that is the idea behind it.

@djsmiley2k sometimes I'm amused by it and sometimes I just really dread it.

djsmiley2k

10:53 AM

The command-line option --sign is used to make a digital signature. The document to sign is input, and the signed document is output.

alice% gpg --output doc.sig --sign doc

You need a passphrase to unlock the private key for
user: "Alice (Judge) <alice@cyb.org>"
1024-bit DSA key, ID BB7576AC, created 1999-06-04

Enter passphrase:
The document is compressed before signed, and the output is in binary format.

@defalt You are

Bob

@defalt That signing happens to effectively be encryption is a quirk of RSA, and not necessarily true for all asymmetric crypto. IIRC, anyway.

defalt

@djsmiley2k Thank you. I was doubting myself that he could be correct. He was kept on saying you don't encrypt anything while signing and the reference link i posted in the comment also have false knowledge about it

Bob

@defalt See also > crypto.stackexchange.com/a/838/11619

@defalt No. Marcelm is right. You are wrong here.

> The fact that these are the same mathematical operations in RSA does not mean they should be treated as exchangeable. Outside of RSA, they tend to be different mathematical operations, anyway.

^ That is true.

> And signing means encrypting the hashof the content with your private key.

^ That is false.

In the general case, signing and encrypting are completely independent. There's not necessarily any relationship between them. There is no requirement for a keypair to be validly applicable to both uses.

defalt

@Bob then how do you sign a message? Even on youtube they say it involves encrypting the hash with your private key.

Bob

@defalt That is specific to RSA.

Seth

11:01 AM

Are there actual implementations where singing would be different from encrypting?

Bob

2 mins ago, by Bob

@defalt See also > https://crypto.stackexchange.com/a/838/11619

DH is one.

Oliver Salzburg

@Seth Encryption can be reversed, signatures only need to be validated

Oh wait, implementations

Bob

Apparently DSA is another one => crypto.stackexchange.com/a/2586/11619

@defalt Simply: there are many algorithms and protocols used for asymmetric encryption that are not RSA.

There are also many algorithms and protocols used for digital signatures that are not RSA.

It just happens that the two different uses can both be accomplished by RSA. But pretend RSA does not exist, now what?

defalt

so none of the signing algorithms involves the process of encrypting the hash except RSA?

Bob

When we're talking about the concepts of encryption and digital signatures, there is no need for the two to to be related. There is no requirement that a keypair that can be used for one must be usable for the other.

@defalt Some others might, some might not. It doesn't matter. Forget about specific implementations.

The question does not talk about specific implementations. It asks about the general terms as used in crypotography, therefore a good answer should cover the general terms.

Heck. Read mat's answer to the question you linked:

> That depends on the algorithm. For RSA, encryption and signature is (mostly) the same operation with the keys reversed. With others, like ElGamal, signing and encrypting is only slightly similar techically, but you can, theoretically, reuse keys. Finally, there are schemes which are specialised to one of the operation. For example, Hash based signatures do not have any encryption counterpart.

In a world that is increasingly moving away from RSA, it's a good idea to avoid getting stuck in thinking in terms of RSA.

Because RSA-specific descriptions are only ever guaranteed to be correct when talking about RSA. As you can see here, as soon as you talk about something non-RSA in RSA-specific terms, you're wrong.

defalt

11:08 AM

so that's why DSA is faster in signing than RSA because it doesn't encrypt anything

djsmiley2k

or it's actually faster.

Bob

@defalt Nope. Again, you're bringing in specific implementations where it doesn't make sense.

You cannot compare these things.

defalt

Now i got the difference..thank you

Seth

I don't but probably my expectations are wrong and I'm trying to map it too much onto software I know.

Bob

Other, similar: ECDSA is a signature algorithm. The same cryptographic primitive (ECC) can be used for encryption under ECIES but that's a different algorithm.

defalt

11:14 AM

@Bob okay but for signing public-private pair must be required. Right?

Bob

@defalt The basis of asymmetric encryption is that there's two separate keys, yes.

Rahul2001

YAYAYAY!

Bob

All these algorithms are based on difficult math problems.

Rahul2001

I got a dual monitor setup! *\o/*

Bob

RSA is based on integer (prime) factorisation. DSA is based on discrete logarithms. ECDSA is based on elliptic curves.

Seth

11:15 AM

@Rahul2001 two times 4:3 17"? :D

Rahul2001

@Seth 1920*1080 + 1366*768

Seth

a bit strange but nice

Rahul2001

@Seth Yeah well, those were the only monitors I had

1920*1080 is the all-in-one, 1366*768 is a VGA display connected through an HDMI adapter

djsmiley2k

urgh

DNS scavenging on windows DNS should be pretty much immediate, if using windows DHCP right?

So far I'm at 25min+, and nslookup is still returning the wrong IP for this laptop

Oliver Salzburg

Clear DNS caches

nslookup /flushdns

On Server, restart the DNS Server service

Also double check the zone. If you're using Windows Server DHCP, sometimes the records are not properly updated or old records stay around

djsmiley2k

11:21 AM

@OliverSalzburg ipconfig /flushdns does the same, right?

yeah, got no server access

so going to the 'server' guys, being like Y DIS NO WORK?

Wanna make sure I've checked things ;)

Oliver Salzburg

@djsmiley2k Erm, no, because that is the correct command and mine doesn't do anything ;D

djsmiley2k

:D

flagged for cmd bait

djsmiley2k

11:36 AM

wow

[Shell]
IconFile=\\170.170.170.170\icon

sfc files rock :D

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satibel

@djsmiley2k for me sfc files are snes roms x)

djsmiley2k

:O

from now on i'm going to refer to file types only by their magic number ;D

Burgi

@Blogbot its in Spanish Brazilian!

Journeyman Geek

0_0

Burgi

11:49 AM

do you remember that linux sysadmin position from last week?

they've re-advertised it at £43k

djsmiley2k

@Burgi :O

The Junior 30K one?

I'll do it for 30k

I just don't want to be on site

Hurrar I just saved your company £13k, can I have a payrise? :D

Burgi

lol

its not my company

its a recruiter

djsmiley2k

Oh that one

Now I'm not interested :(

satibel

is this one of those 10 years experience junior jobs?

djsmiley2k

I'd be supprised if they don't email me soon

Bob

12:05 PM

\o/

playing with WDS

That Russian Guy

@Burgi ~~Alguién me llamó?~~ ooops I mean Есть кекс москва

Seth

@Bob to auto deploy Windows 95? :D

Bob

@Seth nah, just boring ol' win10 :P

Hm. Awkward. Can't find the drivers for the SCSI HDD, but forgot to add a CD drive...

djsmiley2k

delete why won't it die :(

@Bob Wish I could play at work

i do get some fun times

but not enough :

Bob

@djsmiley2k I'm... at home

-_-

djsmiley2k

12:14 PM

At least one security risk found:

Risk name: Microsoft ® Windows Script Host
File path: c:\windows\system32\wscript.exe

errr @Bob I'm not :(

Do you need a sewrver to do it? :/, windows server?

Bob

hmmm

I'm going to need to inject virtio drivers into the boot image

gah, that's better for tomorrow

@djsmiley2k yea, I'm using server 2016

djsmiley2k

I can haz?

DavidPostill

@djsmiley2k lol any scripting language can be a security risk ...

djsmiley2k

Why couldn't they give windows server away for free?

@DavidPostill, well the hash matches a known file

Oliver Salzburg

@djsmiley2k You can get a free Windows Server on AWS

djsmiley2k

12:16 PM

but I don't know if it really thinks that the wscript file is the actual virus.

Bob

Oliver Salzburg

For 1 year anyway

Bob

@djsmiley2k If you want? Sure!

djsmiley2k

@OliverSalzburg hmmm not really what I meant

and I've used up my free credits

Oliver Salzburg

Aw :(

djsmiley2k

12:16 PM

I'd love to build out a small network for more learning

DFS, AD with multiple servers (and domains, lets replicate what some clients here run :/)

Oliver Salzburg

Are you still in school?

Bob

@djsmiley2k That's basically what I'm doing :P

djsmiley2k

yeah I figured @Bob

Bob

Too lazy to set up another server just yet though. And not enough RAM on that box either.

djsmiley2k

Just.... i can't afford to buy any windows licences :(

Also that problem too

I don't have enough boxen to run em :(

Bob

12:17 PM

@djsmiley2k ...you think I bought a Server 2016 licence?

VS/MSDN subscription => enough keys to get a small network up.

As long as you don't use it for production-ish things.

Oliver Salzburg

Yeah, if you don't have the money for a single license, just buy a subscription!

djsmiley2k

Yeah, how much is VS/MSDN tho?

I'm no dev, so it's not.... really worth it

I just want to play, litterally

this is part of the reason I do stuff in linux instead ;D

Bob

> Windows Server 2016 Standard

Rating: 0/5
From $1,389.00

nopenopenopneope

Oliver Salzburg

Borrow a DreamSpark account from a younger sibling or something

djsmiley2k

tbh I could spend time playing with stuff in linux too, cept the not having the h/w to run it on is also a problem

Bob

12:19 PM

@djsmiley2k about $500/yr for the annual VS subscription. includes $50/month in Azure credits

djsmiley2k

@OliverSalzburg how young? I'm 32

@Bob lol yeah no, can't afford that :/

Oliver Salzburg

@djsmiley2k Young enough to have a Dreamspark account ;D

djsmiley2k

yeah hmmm

@Rahul2001 ? ;)

Bob

@OliverSalzburg which gives you far more than a single licence :P (with previously-mentioned don't-use-in-prod)

Oliver Salzburg

@Bob I know, I know, still there's the initial invest though

djsmiley2k

12:20 PM

As already said, not like I could actually run anything anyway ;D

maybe in a few years I can update my 'server' system to something that can run a few vm's etc

Bob

I'm running this one in ... Amsterdam?

Oliver Salzburg

The biggest problem with virtual hardware is that you need physical hardware to back it up :\

djsmiley2k

OVH?

wait

Rahul2001

@djsmiley2k hm?

djsmiley2k

DO

right,

@Rahul2001 haha, you're my young sibling now ;)

Rahul2001

12:22 PM

uh, ok :P

Bob

@djsmiley2k online.net/en/dedicated-server/dedibox-xc

djsmiley2k

so that's now what, another $10/mo

/me wibbles

pretty nice dedi tho

Seth

For testing you could also use "regular" evaluation licenses. Those don't require a subscription.

djsmiley2k

how do you get those?

Seth

Just follow the usual download jadda jadda. microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/evaluate-windows-server-2016 It just has the usual 180 day expiry. That's the downside to not having a key.

Rahul2001

12:36 PM

New setup!

djsmiley2k

I think I just got my first famous badge!

13

Q: Google Inbox - How to set filters/automaticaly put email into correct bundle

I am using Google's new Inbox, as a long time (pre-beta) GMail user I'm used to setting up filters to make sure some emails go to the correct places, as google never categories them correctly. This option seems to no longer exist in inbox, how do I make sure emails about jobs (from specific job ...

inbox-by-gmail

tereško

satibel

@tereško don't ocean.

djsmiley2k

@tereško lul

That Russian Guy

@tereško First you stop ~~skiing~~ skying.

satibel

12:45 PM

@djsmiley2k 10k views, 14 upvotes.

Seth

@Rahul2001 so you rest your legs within your printer? Neat! They'll be warm all the time! It really looks like an uncomfortable desk but you probably got your reasons. Congrats on getting the second display.

tereško

as they say - falling is not painful, it's the stopping that is the problem

Rahul2001

@Seth Hah, monitors are usually to the right, where there is quite a lot of legroom. Sister wanted to study there so pushed everything to the left

Seth

If you're really good at falling you might end up going into space or at least an orbit.

Journeyman Geek

@Rahul2001 \o/

Rahul2001

12:48 PM

@JourneymanGeek :D

Journeyman Geek

That's nicer than what I had when I was first on SE ;)

September 2011 ;)

Ok, its a nice laptop...

that PC was literally a machine I picked up off a curb

(ok, I've been on SE longer)

Seth

That chair and desk ...

Journeyman Geek

yeah

lol

satibel

dat desk.

Journeyman Geek

and that SGI Octane in the corner...

satibel

12:54 PM

talking about old stuff : I have a sun nas

Oliver Salzburg

@JourneymanGeek That's how I got my first computer as well

I think we talked about this before. A couple of times probably :D

<3 garbage computer

satibel

I'm pretty sure that's how most of us got their first computer.

maybe not from the street, but from someone that gave it.

Journeyman Geek

;p

satibel

mine was an olivetti.

Journeyman Geek

That wasn't really my first first, but it was the first desktop that I didn't share

that monitor was fun

That Russian Guy

12:57 PM

@JourneymanGeek All your boxes have goddesses names?

Journeyman Geek

2

Q: Crt flickers when more than 3/4 the screen is white

really part 2 of this question, but its a different issue than what i thought. I've been doing some testing, the screen seems to be non flickery if more than 1/4 of the screen is black, if i have any other colour taking up more than 3/4 of the screen there's flickering along the horizontal axis (...

display

@ThatRussianGuy Mostly, yeah

satibel

my first desktop was a 100€ bundle with a core 2 duo and 4gb of ddr2 ram .

That Russian Guy

@satibel All my first ones (2 or 3 MSX's, 1 XT, 1 386) were bought used or handed down after bought used.

It's unthinkable finding a working PC in a dumpster here. Or at least mid-90's - late 00's, it is.

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