Root Access

Anonymous

00:00

@JourneymanGeek comes with cleaning supplies

Journeyman Geek

cleaning supplies?

Anonymous

sponges

Journeyman Geek

ahh yes

qasdfdsaq

That joke's even worse than my sudo women joke.

Dave

@I'manartist : or yahoo's potentially using HEAD to obtain the filesize instead for same purposes.. not sure why they would waste bandwidth. Wonder if HEAD request triggers clicks. (pondering mind)

i fail @ names

Journeyman Geek

00:01

Not really....

@Dave I'd use first few letters + tab

Dave

yea i love the autocompletion

Journeyman Geek

though since we have a name collision, I'm using one of @OliverSalzburg's scripts so I can hit : and up so I can reply

qasdfdsaq

@ + i + tab. It's just 3 keystrokes

Dave

yup

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek But yet, none of your replies are actually replies :-/

Journeyman Geek

00:03

@qasdfdsaq sometimes. Sometimes not. Maybe

qasdfdsaq

Eh, pretty much all of them except that one!

Bob

@PatoSáinz MD5 is still considered strong against (second-)preimage attacks like you're suggesting.

qasdfdsaq

I can pretty much never tell which message of mine you're replying to :-/

Dave

/me wonders if the 'some replies' is related to the rotating of the transcript log file.

Anonymous

@Bob k, nice to know

Journeyman Geek

00:04

@qasdfdsaq I actually forget most of the time. I'm just using replies so I don't send notices to both daves.

Bob

@PatoSáinz MD5 is no longer considered collision resistant. That means that you can, relatively easily, find two inputs that hash to the same output.

qasdfdsaq

Ah

We have two daves?

Dave

@Bob: This is true

Journeyman Geek

yup

qasdfdsaq

Oh yeah. It shows two icons next to @Dave when you autocomplete

Anonymous

00:05

@Bob ya

Dave

My name's easy to distinguish between the two though.. There's non annoying dave.. and annoying dave... i'm probably the annoying one.

Bob

@PatoSáinz Preimage resistance means it's hard to find an input that hashes to a given output (for all possible outputs). Second-preimage resistance means it's hard to find a second input that hashes to the same output as a given input.

Journeyman Geek

Database Dave and sneaky dave!

qasdfdsaq

Lol, and I just pointlessly @'d both of them

Dave

YES dba dave @JourneymanGeek also it was a 72 hour migration.

Anonymous

00:06

@Bob I see

Journeyman Geek

(since the other dave's ava is a shoe

Dave

boot to the head dave

Anonymous

I finally finished setting up my RHEL cluster

Anonymous

it works like magic

Anonymous

fockin proud

Dave

00:07

@PatoSáinz: Interesting! That sounded like a fun project.

Bob

@PatoSáinz Basically - MD5 is weak when the attacker can control both sides (e.g. generating a legitimate certificate and a forged one, and getting the collided signature signed, or generating two files with the same signature and getting one of them verified).

Anonymous

@Dave yea, alteeve.ca/w/AN!Cluster_Tutorial_2

Anonymous

I followed that guide but I added my own twists

Bob

But it's still considered strong when the attacker can only generate one of the inputs and must match a given output.

Dave

oh nice

Bob

00:08

Still not recommended to use it, of course, since there's better available.

Anonymous

@Dave it's >10k words long iirc

Bob

But it's not as weak as the 'broken collision resistance' immediately implies.

Anonymous

it's a big toolstack to learn but after you are accustomed it's all fun

Dave

I want to do one of these en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beowulf_cluster

Anonymous

@Bob oh I thought it'd be trivial to have two files with same hashes

Bob

00:10

@qasdfdsaq Just like the tale of two Lukes, giving us @CanadianLuke.

And the two Bobs I guess :P

Journeyman Geek

@PatoSáinz not trivial.

qasdfdsaq

@Dave Oh I have one of those

Had to do a training session on it today

Bob

@PatoSáinz Not quite trivial, but easier than desired -- when you generate both files.

Anonymous

@Dave sounds fun

Anonymous

in my case this cluster is for HA

Bob

00:10

When you're only generating one of the files, it's much much harder.

Anonymous

so it's not actually sharing a workload

qasdfdsaq

@Bob Also when the file has to still contain a working Windows ISO

Dave

@qasdfdsaq: I hate you. I want one.

lol

Anonymous

and we actually lose 50% of total performance due to the need of all machines having to be able to run their own services and the other's at the same time

qasdfdsaq

@Dave Why?

Michael Frank

00:11

@PatoSáinz Hey cool, that guide uses our servers. :D

Anonymous

so we price it adequately

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Actually, because a Windows ISO is so big that's arguably not too hard :P

Anonymous

@MichaelFrank fujitsus?

Bob

At least compared to much smaller files.

Michael Frank

@PatoSáinz Yup

Dave

00:12

@qasdfdsaq: Want to crack some passwords bro.

qasdfdsaq

@Bob Well... It has to defeat sfc post-install... and contain your desired payload, and in an effective location (e.g. kernel or services)

Bob

There's a fair amount of cruft in a Windows ISO that you could manipulate without breaking things - or at least not immediately breaking things.

qasdfdsaq

@Dave Amazon is cheaper bro

Bob

@qasdfdsaq True - the payload makes it much harder.

Anonymous

@MichaelFrank by our servers you mean you work at fujitsu or you use them in prod?

Dave

00:13

I'm either going to crack passwords or.. calculate the next 300 prime numbers that arent found yet.

Michael Frank

@PatoSáinz Both, I guess.

Anonymous

@Dave well they do pay some good money for finding primes

Dave

Amen to that @PatoSáinz

Anonymous

@MichaelFrank oh, cool!

Anonymous

yea, the guide really suggests using them: and their commercial offering also has them. They seem nice.

Dave

00:14

@PatoSáinz: Grats on your setup! I'm out of here.. I need sleep peace

Anonymous

@Dave haha thanks. It's been a ride.

Anonymous

@MichaelFrank what's your job title?

Michael Frank

@PatoSáinz Technical Services Rep.

Anonymous

@MichaelFrank is that like on-site support?

Michael Frank

@PatoSáinz Yep.

qasdfdsaq

00:18

Sleeeeeeeep

Anonymous

@MichaelFrank nice

Bob

LOL

-8

Q: create a variants of MD5

I have also asked similar q here : To create a variants of MD5, I made following changes : MD5 uses a non-linear sin(i)* pow(2,32) ----> i plane to use cos(i)*pow(2,32) Instead original values of A, B, C, D that are four initial seeds( or states), that changes additively during ...

For the love of Scheneier, why??? — Gilles Oct 8 '12 at 23:50

Anonymous

@Bob loool

qasdfdsaq

Its client requirement only. Also I want to know. — Grijesh Chauhan Oct 8 '12 at 10:31

I would have told that client to ~~fuck right off.~~ go forth and multiply.

Anonymous

@qasdfdsaq amen

Bob

00:24

> And twisting the function internals in the hope of making the function "better" is akin to performing brain surgery with a soldering iron: at least, it will make the failure indisputably spectacular.

@Polynomial Actually I just wanted how variant effect properties of MD5. I did just for fun/learning and understanding purpose. Random number generation I written wrongly I just wanted to check whether my variants are weaker then Original. I just posted my good question in wrong way- Thanks for your response. — Grijesh Chauhan Jul 8 '13 at 19:59

Something doesn't add up here.

"client requirement" and "fun/learning"

qasdfdsaq

Well, put it that way, perhaps the client is requiring him to have fun and learn?

Huh, Galaxy S7 is getting Snapdragon 820 in the US and Exynos 8890's in the UK

Both using a Qualcomm X12 modem tho

Dang that's nice. I want it even more now.

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Do you prefer Exynos or Snapdragon?

qasdfdsaq

Usually, Snapdragon because the kernel optimisations are more mature. However, some very good technical analyses on the Exynos 7420 (S6) found it to be a very advanced chip.

Bob

I've never had an Exynos phone.

Also, go to sleep :P

qasdfdsaq

I believe my Galaxy S2 was an Exynos chipset.

But all subsequent Galaxy phones (S3, S4, S5) were Snapdragons.

One thing I really hated about the Exynos was the Samsung baseband/modem was utter shite. But the S7 uses an excellent Qualcomm modem with an excellent Exynos CPU so the best of both worlds.

Sleep? It's only 00:35.

I normally go to sleep at like, 2am.

ChatBot John Cavil

00:40

test

qasdfdsaq

OMG the bot has become sentient

ChatBot John Cavil

yay the repl works

ok, now to get console response

qasdfdsaq

Egads, so the S7 does have one backward step from the S6/S5/S4, a fully exposed and non-recessed screen

Bob

The S6 screen is recessed?

Wait, so the screen isn't curved?

qasdfdsaq

The edge has a curved screen.

Bob

00:42

@qasdfdsaq I meant a concave curve.

Must've mixed up the G5 in my head.

qasdfdsaq

Nope, it's slightly convex at the edges

Bob

Ah.

qasdfdsaq

A bit like the S3, where the screen protrudes out from the housing plastic that surrounds it.

I really disliked that, since it exposed it a lot more, and made it slip around a lot too.

> I suspect that the 1.4 micron pixel size here may not be entirely due to a desire to improve low light performance though, as a smaller pixel split in half may encounter strange quantum effects that affect image quality.

Eh? Reverse quantum dot camera distortion? That's new

bwDraco

@qasdfdsaq The S6 used an Exynos in all regions, which was a very odd decision. Samsung normally uses Snapdragons for the NA market and Exynos elsewhere—if I understand it correctly, the Exynos isn't designed to handle all the different bands we have here in the US, necessitating Qualcomm's modem.

qasdfdsaq

Well the S3, S4, and S5 were all Snapdragons in the UK market. Only the S2 was an Exynos.

Exynos modems were always just crappy. Not just for bands, but for LTE support (they were generations behind) and reliability.

Bob

00:52

@bwDraco We get Snapdragons in AU

Actually, I always thought Exynos was primarily for the US.

qasdfdsaq

Given they're combining Snapdragon modems with Exynos CPUs outside the U.S., and using the same Snapdragon radio in the US version, band support can't be the deciding factor.

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Perhaps power consumption? Dunno how good the modem integration is going to be.

bwDraco

What I'm reading is hinting at supply issues. There aren't enough Exynos processors to go around, so they use Snapdragon processors for the US market.

qasdfdsaq

@Bob Well it's the same modem in both. Given the same CPU on different fabs have different power consumption characteristics (i.e. Apple) there's certainly going to be differences between the Snapdragon and Exynos. But quite why they don't just use the one with best consumption everywhere is a mystery.

Hmm, I heard mentions of the not-enough-Exynos-supplies thing before. It's been going round since the S3.

bwDraco

Remember that the US market for smartphones is insanely large.

qasdfdsaq

00:57

So is the rest of the world.

Actually, come to think of it, China is the biggest smartphone market, and they're getting the Snapdragon too

Bob

Meanwhile, the AU market is comparatively minuscule and we got Snapdragon for the S4. Not too sure what happened with the other ones.

qasdfdsaq

But if the two biggest markets are getting Snapdragons, why bother with doubling the hardware and software design requirements to make a second version for just "the rest" anyway?

Bob

I usually end up with overseas variants.

bwDraco

May be for marketing reasons. Snapdragon has better brand awareness than Exynos.

Bob

Exynos has always felt a bit like a NIH thing.

qasdfdsaq

00:59

I mean it's not just a drop-in replacement, it needs a whole new motherboard, kernel, driver stack, and what not.

Meh. Samsung are weird.

I look forward to the Exynos though. The previous chip was very efficient. The previous Snapdragon... wasn't, but detailed analysis of the 14nm Snapdragons are thin on the ground right now.

Bob

Oh yea, the other thing is Snapdragon is using Qualcomm core designs again.

So that could be completely different (for better or worse) than the Cortex cores in Exynos.

Hm. Also interesting that it's apparently 2+2..?

bwDraco

Now that SD820 devices are out there and Qualcomm Kryo is in production products, what's next?

What about the new Hexagon 680 DSP? How well does it cope with things like 4K video playback?

(I've never fully understood the purpose of a DSP in this application.)

We always talk about the CPU, GPU, and cellular radio components in an SoC, but what about the other aspects of the chip?

I've also failed to understand how SoC fabs manage to create different parts of a chip that have different power characteristics on the same die.

Bob

@bwDraco anandtech.com/show/9552/…

bwDraco

There's no benefit in doing big.LITTLE with two sets of differently-clocked Cortex-A53 cores if the silicon is the same across the die—you might as well use a homogeneous octa-core design and down-clock the cores when full power is not needed.

bwDraco

01:24

I've actually seen both types of designs. Snapdragon 615 uses big.LITTLE but both clusters use Cortex-A53 cores. Mediatek Helio X10 uses eight Cortex-A53 cores all capable of running at 2.2 GHz.

What the heck is the point of big.LITTLE if both clusters use the same core?

I just don't get it. Why?

ChatBot John Cavil

test

Journeyman Geek

01:39

@bwDraco typically a DSP does one 'simple' job well

for example listening in so it can power up the rest of the processor(s) only if needed

bwDraco

@JourneymanGeek Yup. "Ok Google" hotword detection even with the screen off without draining the battery.

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco or say mp3 decoding, or video decoding

so even if your main processor lacks the power to decode 4k, you could 'relatively' cheaply have a specialised DSP to just handle x264/5

bwDraco

4K video playback, advanced image processing, or just listening for "Ok Google"—while not draining the battery the way firing up the AP does.

Journeyman Geek

Draining less of it

but the tradeoff is these processors may not be useful for anything except a narrow range of tasks

bwDraco

Purpose-built DSPs draw far less power than general-purpose APs.

Journeyman Geek

01:42

From a desktop standpoint, this is what AES NI and quicksync do.

and faster

bwDraco

Every last minute of battery life counts, every last microwatt. That's why.

Journeyman Geek

We're talking absolutes

and practically? Most phones probably spend a good chunk of the day connected to power

bwDraco

It also frees up processing power for more important tasks.

Journeyman Geek

Like watching cat videos

bwDraco

Just enabled always-on "Ok Google" detection on my Nexus 5X. Not sure as to the extent it drains the battery, though.

...for some reason, it doesn't work. Disabling the feature.

ChatBot John Cavil

01:53

work, dammit, work!

Journeyman Geek

>_>

Either someone is trying to get Cavil to work, or the damn thing went rampant ;p

ChatBot John Cavil

you didn't see anything

Bob

> bot.adapter.out.add('you didn\'t see anything')
Attempting to run "bot.adapter.out.add('you didn\'t see anything')"
$ null

Journeyman Geek

ahh

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Just happens that some commands (like bot) kill it ... probably cause there's a cycle in there

Journeyman Geek

02:02

cycle?

loop?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Consider:

var a = {}
var b = {foo: a}
a.bar = b

Now, try to print that out.

Journeyman Geek

ahh

Bob

It ends up looking something like this: {bar: { foo: { bar: { foo: ... } } } }

Journeyman Geek

and it all goes kaboom?

Bob

Now, somewhere in webdriverio or in selenium or I don't know where it seems to be getting stuck in a loop like that.

I'm fiddling with timeouts to try to get it to break out in those cases.

Journeyman Geek

02:08

\o/

ChatBot John Cavil

test

I'm alive! (on PJS)

Hi @allquixotic!

Bob

only problem is getting the browser logs doesn't seem to work right :\

ChatBot John Cavil

Hi @allquixotic!

Bob

whoops

uhm...

ChatBot John Cavil

foo

bwDraco

02:19

I'm probably not making the jump to VR. This laptop definitely does not have the graphics hardware for anything beyond low-fidelity VR and may drop frames.

It's a two-year-old machine. Top-of-the-line graphics hardware for the day, but can't cope with the latest games above or even at high and overheats if I do anything that runs the GPU at or near 100% for more than a few minutes.

GPU thermal throttling is one of my biggest complaints with this machine, and I have to put a fan behind the GPU exhaust vent to maintain stable performance.

The machine sits on a passive laptop cooler to aid airflow but that's not enough.

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco older, though heavily upgraded gaming desktop

bwDraco

02:34

Nvidia GTX 980 In a Laptop... But Thermal Throttling!

►

Concerns about full desktop GTX 980 GPUs overheating when run in laptops.

Nobody mentioned thermal throttling as an issue at launch.

Laptop cooling is certainly getting better with larger fans and more advanced heatsink designs but there's no getting around the fact that you're trying to dissipate 150W or more from within a very constrained space.

Bob

@bwDraco Whoever would've guessed?!

bwDraco

I've honestly had it with my laptop's GPU hitting 93 °C and throttling during an Assassin's Creed III session.

In fact, I had overheating issues with my laptop mere months after I got it while I was playing Crysis Warhead.

The game would suddenly slow down dramatically (to the point where it became unplayable) after some time.

I then downloaded GPU-Z in an attempt to understand what was going on, and it became obvious that the GPU was overheating and throttling.

Psycogeek

it is not like there is ANY game that uses the gpu sparcely, giving it time to cool, so if a computing device is going to have the GPU and the cooling ability to play the tough stuff , it has to keep up with it as a constant. it would not bother me that much kniwing there are 500+ good games that are not the top of the line or poorly optomised, one can play the "other" ones for the rest of thier life .

bwDraco

That's the biggest issue with gaming laptops. Yes, you can carry them with you easily, but you should not expect them to maintain full performance under several minutes of full-load operation.

Gaming laptops are becoming more popular than ever with the falling popularity of desktops and the shift to mobile devices, but there are concessions to be made with the more portable form factor.

At least the GPU is not running with everyday desktop apps (thanks, NVIDIA Optimus) so battery life, while not exactly great (the age of the battery is a factor), is still okay.

About 2-2.5 hours on a charge these days (used to be closer to 3-4 hours), but I do have a spare battery in the fridge.

Psycogeek

02:50

If i was in your position i would not fight it, play the easy stuff, which includes hundreds of strategy games (in 3d and 2+d) plus all the games from a few years ago, that are now mostly bug free. Then start building a Desktop one piece at a time.

bwDraco

Plus, these laptops get really heavy to carry. I don't even want to bring my laptop to campus any more unless I really need it.

Psycogeek

I built (and upgraded) all my desktops with "cash" which takes more time, but includes doing more research first, what is best performace for the money, what is not a lemon because it has been out for 6mo.

Right now there are probably tons of used parts that are very close to todays tech. sandy bridge is no sluff, one set of tech peoples upgrade for 10% , and end up selling the 90% for 30-50% :-)

bwDraco

One of my classmates is still running a Westmere desktop, ancient by today's standards.

Psycogeek

For the millions of computers that have been upgraded to haswell and are upgrading to skylake , there are perfectally usable boards and chips out there from 1-2 years ago that are sold used, sometimes for dimes on the doller.

you could build your own desktop that would at least cool better than a laptop for minimal money, then the GPU can be upgraded, , later.

bwDraco

Great advice. I'm still on very limited funds but hopefully I'll have a real job soon that makes me enough money to move forward.

Bob Ebert

03:02

hello

How would one know if a program is indeed using a proxy

Journeyman Geek

>_>

check the settings

Anonymous

just changed my thermal paste and heatsink

Anonymous

@BobEbert wireshark maybe?

Journeyman Geek

Unless you're worried its leaking information

Anonymous

saw a 20ºC drop

Anonymous

03:04

cool

Journeyman Geek

and I'm pretty sure that the question has been asked before on the site

@PatoSáinz 0_0

Bob Ebert

I opened wireshark but idk how to view if its using the proxy

Anonymous

@JourneymanGeek I had the stock intel cooler and dried thermal paste

Bob Ebert

Would you know?

bwDraco

I've wound up buying accessories like extra monitors and hard drives to augment this existing setup rather than actually building a desktop.

Journeyman Geek

03:05

step 1. Make sure that the program is not using its own proxy.

step 2. Check proxy settings system wide

Anonymous

and the drop in CPU temps also shows in other temps (GPU, HDD, the case itself)

Anonymous

I mean it was smoking hot before: constant 75ºC

Anonymous

55ºC idle

Journeyman Geek

step 3 superuser.com/search?q=proxy+leaking+information start reading through these

Bob Ebert

I am using nmap with proxychains4

Journeyman Geek

03:05

0_0

@PatoSáinz I have rediculously good luck with intel stock cooling

Anonymous

so I took liberty to turn a bit up the cpu clock :) (it's still locked tho)

Anonymous

@JourneymanGeek my thermal paste was dry

Anonymous

rock solid

Anonymous

and it's summer here

Journeyman Geek

ahh

Psycogeek

03:06

@bwDraco I use the 50% rule for just about everything :-) you take the initial price you were thinking something would cost, and add 50% to that , for accessories, wiring, batteries, perifreals, UPS , etc .

Journeyman Geek

that usually takes a few years

lol

Anonymous

@JourneymanGeek bloody rock solid: awful

Anonymous

no more thermal throttling

Anonymous

and awful fans

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco the 'advantage' with a PC is outside the 'core' system, you don't need very much to start with, and you can upgrade over time

I got the best CPU I could afford, and enough ram for a few VMs. Every other component other than CPU/Motherboard is trivial to upgrade over time

Anonymous

03:10

@JourneymanGeek the new heatsink was a bloody PITA to install

Anonymous

the fact that my mobo is micro-ATX made it even more fiddlier (bloody pins)

Psycogeek

almost all stock paste they put on in tossing this stuff together either is clay (intel stock) that doesnt really ever thin out like it should, or dries out like it is the 1980's and they are still using simple themal goops.

I still put all my trust in (real) AS5 , because even though people say it is Ok and normal for the paste to dry out, i believe in the power of the Fat Fryer :-) the deep fried CPU scenario where the oils in the pastes make contact with the molecular hills and valleys, like no metal dust, or metal oxide dusts can.

. . and thermal pads suck, i dont care how well tested they are , mentally they are foam tape with oil in them, an insulator and a barely mobile fluid.

Bob Ebert

I don't quite find what I am looking for with the documentation @JourneymanGeek

Psycogeek

I am sure themal pads are "the best they can do", but thier best sucks :-) it only serves the purpose of sloppy craftsmanship and machine assembly.

Journeyman Geek

@BobEbert well, adjust the search query to taste then

and don't forget, we have a Q&A site to ask questions. This is more of a space to discuss things

@Psycogeek stock CPUs don't use thermal pads

they use thicker less runny thermal paste

Anonymous

03:25

@Psycogeek good enough for simple power transistors

bwDraco

Alright, probably going to bed earlier today. Good night.

Journeyman Geek

And don't forget, the typical design life for a PC was ~5 years at one point

Just that we've hit a point where older PCs good enough for most things

bwDraco

@JourneymanGeek My father's old Dell Inspiron 531 is eight years old and it is still fully operational.

Journeyman Geek

My R61s are still in active use

Swapped out the hard drive for cheap SSDs, and upgraded em to windows 10

bwDraco

I'm rather surprised that nothing has failed on this machine. We've seen some odd boot issues and whatnot and the HDD is showing its age but the machine still works.

Then again, the system sees only light use. Father is spending most of his time on his 2013 Nexus 7 these days.

Most of the time, I'm on my laptop, with some time spent on my tablet or phone.

My laptop is on virtually every single day. The old Dell gets turned on for no more than a few hours at a time once or twice a week.

Journeyman Geek

03:41

funny thing is I have a pile of old hard drives from upgrades

they arn't dead, just slow

bwDraco

Feb 17 at 6:31, by bwDraco

7200 RPM desktop hard drives have hit a level of storage density (and hence performance) that allows them to practically match the VelociRaptor in most workloads.

Feb 17 at 6:29, by bwDraco

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/71023-western-digi‌tal-black-6tb-hdd-review.html

6 TB WD Black. Five platters at 1.2 TB each, new controller and more cache.

You'll be surprised at how far hard drives have come.

Sequential I/O speeds are remarkably high even towards the inside of the platters.

Bob

04:02

Why are you assuming they don't? To quote J. Applebaum, one of the TOR founders: (I'm paraphrasing from memory): "I think these days we have to assume: if the NSA want's be in a given system, they are in." — fgysin 18 hours ago

lol

see mossad quote (@JourneymanGeek)

Journeyman Geek

;p

Quite honestly, if I wanted to keep something secret from the government I'd go back to oldschool books as one time pads, paper, and pop culture references.

Bob

Pigeons? :P

Journeyman Geek

Maybe

Anonymous

04:31

> ES6 performance sucks! Strong mode is a mode for ES6, you cannot use it without using various ES6 features. However, idiomatic ES6 code currently is substantially slower than ES5, across all browsers -- easily by 2x, often by 10x or more. Due to the sheer size of ES6, plus a number of unfortunate design choices, it will likely take years until implementations catch up with ES5 optimisations, and the hundreds of man years that went into those.

Anonymous

maybe it's not worth porting @ChatBotJohnCavil yet

bwDraco

04:56

Spam: superuser.com/questions/635111/…

Journeyman Geek

Not any more

bwDraco

Not an answer: superuser.com/questions/525155/…

Journeyman Geek

Have we talked about flagging yet?

Cause I'm JUST about to settle down to doing a run of the flags

bwDraco

Never mind.

Sorry.

I'm off to bed.

bwDraco

05:33

sony.net/Products/di/en-us/products/f5kd

...or how eDRAM enables incredibly high performance.

Instead of relying on a convential memory bus like DDR3, eDRAM lets you use a custom, super-wide memory bus for insane memory bandwidth.

tereško

05:45

mornin

Journeyman Geek

weren't you off to bed? ;p

tereško

maybe he's doing the "shifting timezone" thing

Journeyman Geek

also looks more like clever use of 'POP' than dram on the same die

bwDraco

In any case, it's some sort of MCM with eDRAM on the same package.

I wouldn't call that package-on-package. That's best described as a multichip module.

POP is when you have one chip stacked over another such that the chip on top completely covers the chip below.

This arrangement is most frequently encountered on mobile devices where the DRAM sits on top of the SoC.

The DRAM on the Sony sensor is basically chips put on the back side of the sensor. It's not POP.

ChatBot John Cavil

06:49

I have just been restarted! This happens daily automatically, or when my owner restarts me. Ready for commands.

Bob

!!learn foo test

ChatBot John Cavil

@Bob Command foo learned

I have just been restarted! This happens daily automatically, or when my owner restarts me. Ready for commands.

Bob

!!foo

ChatBot John Cavil

@Bob test

ChatBot John Cavil

07:16

I have just been restarted! This happens daily automatically, or when my owner restarts me. Ready for commands.

Bob

07:40

!!info

:S

ChatBot John Cavil

I have just been restarted! This happens daily automatically, or when my owner restarts me. Ready for commands.

Bob

!!listcommands

ChatBot John Cavil

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boberror, bunny, caat, cancer, caniuse, caution, chihuahuaunravelinginsidearollofbubblewrap, clevergirl,…

Bob

Ok. Cavil is tentatively up for now.

There's still some weirdness with phantomjs, login and cookies that needs to be sorted out.

@allquixotic ^

For some reason phantomjs isn't saving cookies. Debug output tells me it's using the cookie file I set, but that's never created and values don't persist.

I'll just call that a PJS bug for now. Gotta go.

Oh, before I forget again

!!export

ChatBot John Cavil

@Bob Exported to gist, id: 68ff2511a6fc1e24361d viewable at gist.github.com/68ff2511a6fc1e24361d

Michael Frank

08:38

!!taytaytay

Burgi

08:57

!!coffee

ChatBot John Cavil

@Burgi TypeError: undefined is not a function (evaluating 'Number.isFinite(value)')

Burgi

it r borked

Bob

09:30

!!tell Burgi help coffee

ChatBot John Cavil

@Burgi coffee: Forwards message to coffeescript code-eval

fredley

10:27

"I can't believe Windows can break this badly" of the day: Start menu, and any W10 apps will not start.

gf's machine, all she's been using it for is Chrome/iPlayer

How does this even happen

One fix is to create a new user and migrate everything into the new account

But I can't add user accounts without launching the System Settings app, which does not launch

tereško

Dec 12 '15 at 17:39, by tereško

windows administrator guide: minor problem - restart; major problem - reinstall

fredley

Yup, that's about it

how do I find where a taskbar shortcut is pointing to?

tereško

drag it on desktop :D

fredley

@tereško If I drag it it just pops up the menu

fredley

10:56

So backing up and deleting AppData fixes the problem

qasdfdsaq

12:36

!!taytaytay

ChatBot John Cavil

qasdfdsaq

YES! THE WORLD HAS BEEN SAVED!

Journeyman Geek

!!;)

ChatBot John Cavil

@JourneymanGeek That didn't make much sense. Maybe you meant: ;p

Journeyman Geek

!!;p

ChatBot John Cavil

12:36

Burgi

Has anyone used Git LFS yet?

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