Root Access

Bob

00:00

@JourneymanGeek Usually when you're asleep the external mods that pop in are a little more ... understanding.

I've seen ArtOfCode & KitFox in here a couple times. They were fairly targeted and reasonable in their response.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob and I try to defuse these before they get bad, and I know who the troublemakers are

Bob

But mass-purges ... not good.

Attempting to define "on-topic" for an unfamiliar room ... not good.

Journeyman Geek

Yeah, I had a word with the foreign mod about that

and the topicality or lack there of here.

The flag was probably valid but one or two deletes and a stern warning/kick would have done

Bob

But this is usually something I just see the aftermath of too. I'm only up a couple hours before you :P

@JourneymanGeek Eh, worst case suspend the offender if it's a repeat offender. That I can agree with.

Journeyman Geek

Well, if the regular mod/owner crowd is around, we can defuse it

Bob

00:02

But hammering unrelated messages and treating everyone as 'guilty' doesn't help defuse.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob this should have been done immediately

Oh, preaching to the ~~zealous cultists~~ choir.

Bob

Though, tbh, sometimes the topic of conversation does stray a bit far from what I'm comfortable with.

And I'm only kinda-guessing what happened here.

(As before... I can only see deleted messages when I either have a direct link to the history or it's recent enough for the "deleted" message to be in chat proper, not the transcript...)

Journeyman Geek

I don't know exactly what was flagged

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Actually, now I'm once again considering an IRC bridge :P

Should be easy to adapt one of the chatbots.

Journeyman Geek

and looks like someone was uncomfortable with something being starred

@Bob Oh, there's that python one which might be a good start

since you wouldn't have to do the whole 'browser running JS' thing

Bob

00:06

@JourneymanGeek Ah, maybe. I'll have to look into that.

Doesn't even have to be IRC.

I was just thinking of something read-only so I can see what the heck happened :P

Though having proper phone notifications would be handy too.

DavidPostill

@Bob I think your guess would probably be pretty close. @JourneymanGeek I can't remember exactly which one got flagged and I can't see the deleted messages either. The stars I cleaned up.

Journeyman Geek

Oh SE chat is nearly instant

and yes, it would be handy for a mod to see who starred something

sad thing is it was a 'bug' that got fixed it seems

Bob

the websocket monitor? lol

Journeyman Geek

yup

Bob

@JourneymanGeek What SE chat?

Journeyman Geek

00:08

@Bob I mean

if you check on a option and install the SE app... the notifications are pretty much instant

Bob

Oh... I was thinking of maybe piping something off to email so I can get notifications without even more apps running in the background.

Journeyman Geek

lol

I was playing with using jabber for that

Bob

Maybe even get Growl into the mix? :P

Journeyman Geek

but sendxmpp seemed broken

WIerdly

there's a LOT of growl senders for linux

Bob

Ugh... using Spark/Openfire at work and it's buggy as all heck.

Journeyman Geek

00:11

github.com/mattn/gntp-send

this is what I'm using for what I'm working on now

Bob

@JourneymanGeek tbh with your fairly limited use-case of just sending messages from the single local client to the single local server it might've been easier to DIY something

you'd also get more control over the toasts :P

Journeyman Geek

@Bob oh, this is one use

I might extend it and I didn't want to reinvent the wheel

Bob

heh

Journeyman Geek

and there's a few features of growl I haven't used yet

Bob

hm?

Journeyman Geek

00:12

forwarding/picking up growls from other systems

Bob

fundamentally, all you've done so far is send a set of two strings over the network. very trivial :P

Journeyman Geek

If you wanted to reinvent the wheel... I can probably test it

Bob

lol

@JourneymanGeek The only thing about Growl that might be hard to replicate are programs that embed it

but if the project is mostly-dead then even that's not too special

oh, it's for OS X... eww.

app store... eww.

@JourneymanGeek y'know, if I bothered doing the whole toast thing 'properly' I'd probably end up doing some kind of proper message format (probably json or xml-based) rather than a couple positional arguments :P

the one you're using now was hacked together in one night of frustration. like many of my aborted projects :P

but that'd have to wait till I actually have win10 on a computer suitable for dev work

Journeyman Geek

@Bob if you wanted to do it 'right' you'd also have client-server encryption... retries if the message reciever is down... ;p

but this has a certain degree of ugly logging, and my messages are mainly activated when my desktop is on

Bob

@JourneymanGeek ...if I wanted to do retries then it might as well be built on top of SMTP

though that's not really real-time either

most other protocols assume some kind of always-on server

Journeyman Geek

00:19

@Bob smtp is relatively complicated, setup wise

Bob

I suppose email as a fallback if the receiver is down would work

@JourneymanGeek yea, but it's also the de facto standard for long-term message retries

Journeyman Geek

(I was trying to avoid using email, which my main usecase supports natively ;p)

Bob

ow.

tea too hot => leave too long => tea too strong

DavidPostill

I'm off. Hopefully RA will still be here tomorrow ;)

Journeyman Geek

I'll try not to let it burn down before 10.30pm SGT

arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/02/…

(Seagate's better than it used to be, HGST still makes the best drives)

Bob

00:51

@JourneymanGeek o.O

My 2 TB Seagate external HDDs are still going

My 5 TB one is fairly new

Journeyman Geek

@Bob this is under worse case scenario tho

Bob

01:31

...sigh.

I'm getting tired of people pointing out that there's strong internal magnets in HDDs, and then using that as evidence that external magnets won't have any effect.

Sure, the conclusion is (usually) right, but the reasoning is wrong.

Journeyman Geek

lol

Those magnets are set up to have strong parallel fields but little leakage

Also HDD cases are designed to shield?

Another satisfied Kali user superuser.com/questions/1041800/…

bwDraco

@Bob Answer removed. I'm not going to spread incorrect information.

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco I don't think that was aimed at you

unrelatedly (to everything at all)

skimbal.com/explorations-and-speculation/2016/2/12/…

Bob

@bwDraco Sorry, nothing personal - but I just didn't agree with the content (hence the comments).

@JourneymanGeek Kiiiiinda was...

Journeyman Geek

ahh

Bob

01:42

But the complaint above in chat was more general - cause I went searching and found lots of other people making similar claims -_-

Yet no evidence. And people who've actually taken them apart show that the magnets are nearly inert in other orientations.

Journeyman Geek

yup

Bob

Ideally we'd get an engineer who actually designs these things to chime in, but lacking further evidence I don't like the claims that external magnets are safe because there are internal magnets.

Journeyman Geek

hm

True

Psycogeek

@Bob I think some of the "magnets wont damage a hard drive" info could also miss long term (at least partly strong) magnets being there for longer periods of Time. Much of the studies is put big magnet all over it for 15 minutes of playing, determine there is no effect :-) I have sucessfully screwed up a few hard drives with degaussers when they (basically) said it was not likely to occur.

Bob

@Psycogeek My personal opinion (which I have no evidence for, therefore am keeping to chat) is that conventional household magnets are almost certainly fine, while stronger magnets should be treated with a better-safe-than-sorry policy.

Unless you really need to, there's no reason to have HDDs near them...

Psycogeek

01:47

Flash chips on the other hand, i have put through serious abuse with deguassing, and cant seem to damage them even from some side effect.

Bob

But, yea. Depending on field strength, you could be in the region where there's long-term effects.

They'd probably crop up as checksum errors some time down the track, assuming those sectors are never rewritten.

Of course, this could require very powerful magnets anyway. I have no idea what the threshold is.

Journeyman Geek

and given a certain level of strength... smash

Bob

lol, true

Psycogeek

An Odd one, the compass on a gps device was screwing up, knowing it was a "micromachine" not some weird electronics method to determine magnetic norths, i took a huge risk and degaussed it and the compass started working correct again. Which just leaves if it is some form of micromachine in there, wouldnt it have used a magnet to determine magnetic norths?

I think it is forgotten most of the time that many android techno devices have in them some sort of compass thing.

qasdfdsaq

Solid state compasses are usually relative, not absolute.

Psycogeek

01:53

Right they can be trained , but what is the method that is used to determine where the magnetic attactions of earth reside

bob

Is there a way I could stop getting pings?

I can't quit the convo, it won't do anything haha

Psycogeek

@bob turn off sounds on your browser? works here

bob

Should i change my name?

I keep getting notifications though

Bob

@bob uhm... they'll stop if you aren't in the room for a while? :P

bob

how long? I have not been in the chat for a day but still get all the pings

Journeyman Geek

01:58

@bob sorry ._.

I'll try not to use @ for Bob prime for a bit, and use replies

But I forget

changing your nick would work I guess

bob

I am not blaming anyone or anything! I just wish to find the way to change it

qasdfdsaq

oceannavigator.com/January-February-2007/…

Bob

@bob IIRC 3 days?

I don't know if clicking the leave button up the top right would help.

Sorry - you just discovered how active I am in here :P

qasdfdsaq

Solid state compasses do not use a permanent magnet. It runs a current through a wire, and sensors measure changes in that current caused by external magnetic fields.

Journeyman Geek

ob

bob

02:01

hello

hum, still didn't change

Journeyman Geek

chat.stackexchange.com/…

@bob caching

Takes a while

qasdfdsaq

Hard drives being damaged by magnets... Let's just say I've seen it happen. And I've seen it not happen.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Hi! :P

Journeyman Geek

hm. Are we caching bobs or is bob being cached?

also, is it by first three letters?

In which case it may not help at all

qasdfdsaq

It takes very strong external magnetic fields to damage a hard drives.

Journeyman Geek

02:03

I have a feature request for this!

bob

I will leave for a sec, try pinging me

qasdfdsaq

@Bobslicle

Bobsicle*

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq OVER 9000T!

qasdfdsaq

Not that strong.

Journeyman Geek

(which I am certain would be stronger than any magnet ever made)

Psycogeek

02:04

@qasdfdsaq which would explain why a degaussing of the whole (device) would not damage it, but could fix any magnatism that existed (somewhere) that could effect the compasss

qasdfdsaq

Inverse square law and what not.

Journeyman Geek

@bob (the new one) - it takes a while to update your nickname.

qasdfdsaq

@Psycogeek: Yeah, pretty much.

Speaking of, I wonder if going through excessive numbers of airport security scanners has any relation to my excessive microSD failure rate

Psycogeek

@BobEbert it is working now, bobs are now 2 seperate entities to the scripting :-)

Bob

I think if you ping me you'll still get him too

now, I could change my name, buuut... -_-

Journeyman Geek

02:07

@Bob test

@BobEbert did you get pinged when I pinged @Bob prime?

qasdfdsaq

Nah, foxbob comes first.

Journeyman Geek

(man, I am getting reminded of the parts of continuum when there's timeline clones)

Bob Ebert

works!

Journeyman Geek

Excellent!

Bob

Oh, that's good.

Bob Ebert

02:08

I get notifications on top but... not a red one (notification)

Psycogeek

Which just leaves the possibility still of human error.

qasdfdsaq

Journeyman Geek

I do not make human errors!

Bob Ebert

I prefer the second one

Journeyman Geek

Until we fix the boblicity issue. ;p

qasdfdsaq

02:36

@Bob The chatbot script sorta does that

Bob

@qasdfdsaq ...yea, I think I mentioned that above :P

qasdfdsaq

Well I mentioned it again so there

qasdfdsaq

02:53

Dangit, KerbalStuff.com has just shut down

Journeyman Geek

03:07

quick sanity check

0

Q: Is there stack exchange site for corporate internal use

Is there a stack exchange site or model that customers can deploy internally

discussion

is this on topic for meta?

I gueeeees not

Bob

03:55

@Nathaniel irony can kill you, especially big irony falling due to gravity :-) — Carl Witthoft 15 hours ago

Bob Ebert

Alright, I know this is a basic question but I don't know where to look for the information

I wish to overwrite everything from 1 file to another 1 using new_file >> old_file

what am I doing wrong?

I know the copy command, but I remember someone showing me it with ">" for name and ">>" for content

qasdfdsaq

04:12

">" and ">>" send the outputs of a program to a file. ">" replaces an existing file while ">>" appends to it.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob Another nice thing about using growl for this is it seems to do a nice job at keeping track of hiostory

Bob Ebert

but why is my command not working?

file1 >> file2

qasdfdsaq

Because file1 >> file2 isn't a command

Journeyman Geek

cause file1 is a name

I believe the command you're looking for is 'cat'

cat file1 >> file2

qasdfdsaq

Not dog?

Bob Ebert

04:22

Thanks!

thats exactly what I was looking for

Journeyman Geek

no, not dog

(see also, cat abuse, and pipes)

Bob Ebert

If I wanted to overwrite a file I would use cat file1 > file2?

qasdfdsaq

Looking for cat abuse just gets me "Search results for cat cruelty - LiveLeak.com - Redefining "

Journeyman Geek

Cat is one of those tools that is a hammer for every nail.

Journeyman Geek

04:40

you're actually supposed to use it with more than one file in theory (read the man file!)

qasdfdsaq

Oops, I thought Koala Lumper was in Korea

Bob

@BobEbert If you wanted to overwrite a file with another file you should use cp. Or mv.

qasdfdsaq

He already knows that...

bwDraco

-5

Q: Does OS X inherit Linux?

Can I say OS X inherits the architecture of Linux Kernel since I notice similarities between linux and OS X in many aspects such as terminal commands and system view.

linux osx

No, you cannot. OS X is built around a BSD-based core platform called Darwin. BSD and Linux are different types of Unix-like systems; they are not directly derived from one another (although the two do share some code). — bwDraco 5 mins ago

wut

Need to go soon, will try to get out of bed early again.

Bob

@bwDraco BSD is a Unix.

Linux is Unix-like.

What would you define as the "modern definition" of Unix?

bwDraco

04:52

A system that fully conforms to the SUS.

The comment's been pulled.

I've been having trouble providing accurate information lately. I may have to take a break from the site...

qasdfdsaq

They're both POSIX-compliant Unix-like systems. They can share the same shells, and many of the same commands, so it's easy to think they're related.

bwDraco

Perhaps "POSIX-compliant" is a better term to describe it?

Bob

@bwDraco While BSD itself doesn't, OS X does.

qasdfdsaq

@Bob Apparently, U&L thinks BSD is Unix-like now

> Berkeley Software Distribution, which gradually evolved from Unix-based (i.e. containing code derived from the original implementation) to Unix-like (i.e. having a similar interface).

Bob

Funnily enough, OS X is not POSIX-compliant.

bwDraco

04:55

I know OS X as a whole is SUS-compliant and qualifies as a true UNIX system.

qasdfdsaq

@Bob It's not certified complaint but is mostly compliant.

Also

34

A: Is Linux a Unix?

For all intents and purposes, a typical modern Linux distribution (Ubuntu, Debian, Red Hat, Fedora, Slackware, etc) is a Unix, but strictly speaking, no system can claim to be Unix without being certified, so instead people say they are Unix-like. They are inspired by Unix, and carry on its cultu...

Bob

And, eh. End of the day Unix vs Unix-like isn't too important, I was just being a (partially-incorrect) pedant :P

bwDraco

Well, Linux and BSD can both be treated as POSIX platforms for nearly all purposes.

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Point. Not many certified compliant out there anyway.

bwDraco

I guess I need to be more pedantic. I take correctness very, very, very seriously and I would hate to provide incorrect information.

Bob

04:59

Hm. Some OS X versions are POSIX-certified.

@bwDraco No. Don't worry overly much about it. Seriously.

XKCD

Some of you may be thinking, 'But wait, isn't the brightest star in our sky the Sun?' I think that's a great question and you should totally ask it. On the infinite tree of possible conversations spread out before us, I think that's definitely the most promising branch.

qasdfdsaq

reddit.com/r/itsaunixsystem

Bob

lulwut. get.posixcertified.ieee.org/register.html

...only five?

qasdfdsaq

IRIX

IRIX is a discontinued operating system developed by Silicon Graphics, Inc. (SGI) to run natively on their MIPS workstations and servers. It is based on UNIX System V with BSD extensions. IRIX was the first operating system to include the XFS file system. The last major version of IRIX was IRIX 6.5 which was released in May 1998. New minor versions of IRIX 6.5 were released every quarter until 2005; since then there have been four further minor releases. Through version 6.5.22, there were two branches of each release: a maintenance release (identified by an m suffix to the version number) that...

Oh gawd, this brings back memories

bwDraco

POSIX spec is here: pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799

Bob

05:06

@qasdfdsaq Huh, last release only 10 years ago.

# ./mach buid
We're assuming the 'buid' command is 'build' and we're executing it for you.

AzkerM

Hey Guys! A quick question about Microsoft Exchange.

qasdfdsaq

Free Live Tech Support at your service.

AzkerM

Thanks! I'm honored :P

Standard edition says 5 shared mailbox database

Does that mean, each database is typically for each domain?

Microsoft websites are very confusing and its difficult to find what I'm looking for or maybe I'm typing-in incorrectly... Sigh!

5 mailbox database* .. not shared.. :S

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq I have a box that could run it under my desk.

Microsoft licencing is clear as mud

AzkerM

05:22

Yep, licensing part is crystal clear..

mailbox database is where I'm stuck

suppose if I have 6 properties running and I want to centralize the mails. I'm confused as to whether I should go for Standard or Enterprise

standard - 5 mailbox db... enterprise - 100 mailbox db...

bwDraco

Vulkan is here: khronos.org/news/press/…

If you have The Talos Principle, update the game and your video drivers and you're ready to experience the future of gaming.

(Note that AMD Vulkan drivers are currently in beta; everyone else has certified compliant drivers.)

More information on the Vulkan beta for The Talos Principle: steamcommunity.com/app/257510/discussions/0/412447331651559970

Tech is not yet 100% ready; seems they're still ironing out bugs and working on optimizing the game for Vulkan.

For the time being, it seems the default DX11 renderer will perform better. Stay tuned, though.

There will be big performance gains as development progresses.

Bob

06:28

Dunno, given the speed of AIs, having a human search-and-rescue pet seems a bit like us having a rapid-reaction-sloth force. — Serban Tanasa ♦ 14 hours ago

bwDraco

hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/…

I guess there is no longer a convincing argument for a 10k RPM hard drive any more in any consumer use case.

7200 RPM desktop hard drives have hit a level of storage density (and hence performance) that allows them to practically match the VelociRaptor in most workloads.

Journeyman Geek

07:18

Has there?

@Bob I think no one bothers ;p

Psycogeek

08:02

Things i shouldnt have seen. Mbam when making a manual AV scan created a user, in my registry , the ones with the big numbers and all the stuff under it, looks like mostly default stuff. I am in the registry going WTF is this, then poof (after a refresh) it was gone again, MBAM was done scanning.

Burgi

08:41

morning

Journeyman Geek

woof

DavidPostill

grey and wet morning :/

Journeyman Geek

Just updated and rebooted 3 physical and one virtual linux system

Burgi

08:59

@DavidPostill my speciality

i tell you what, they lack a sense of humour on scifi.SE... :(

DavidPostill

@Burgi Link?

Burgi

0

Q: Have the Rebels ever insulted the Imperials the way that the Imperials insult them?

During the ground assault on the forest moon of Endor an Imperial officer captures Han Solo and his group of rebels he famously says the line: You Rebel scum! It is quite clear that the Empire did not hold the Rebel Alliance in high regard. My question is, have the Rebels ever insulted the ...

star-wars return-of-the-jedi

i guess spaceships r srs biznis

DavidPostill

Hmm. I don't see where a sense (or absence) of humour affects that question. But then I'm not a regular over there.

Burgi

just a general feeling i get tbh

Journeyman Geek

09:19

I'd just get in charecter TBH

"You lapdogs of the empire!" "What's a dog?"

Burgi

"think of a wookie but smaller and farts more..."

Journeyman Geek

"Something like a ewok, but more dangerous"

Burgi

not so certain about that one...

Journeyman Geek

@Burgi People have survived ewoks in the star wars universe. Lets just say there's not one sith lord who's tangled with a terrier and lived to tell the tale....

Burgi

there is no evidence any of the imperial garrison on endor survived the battle

although you do make a compelling argument

;)

Sathya

09:36

@OliverSalzburg got your message, btw

Burgi

09:49

What is a Toto? — DecompileCodex 2 hours ago

LOL

Oliver Salzburg

10:01

@Sathya Awesome. What was the sender ID?

Michael Frank

Is Google's login page broken for anyone else? o.O

Burgi

@MichaelFrank nope

Michael Frank

Weeeiiiird.. I can't resolve accounts.google.com anywhere. :<

Burgi

isitup.org/accounts.google.com

Hennes

0

A: "There are currently no logon servers to service the logon request" for school's computer lounge

This is a nice question and if you want to get more information about room hire melbourne.

'Interesting' answer

Also, morning

Journeyman Geek

10:13

No you don't :)

Sathya

@OliverSalzburg AM-PLVSMS

Oliver Salzburg

10:24

@Sathya Heh, interesting. Thanks

Bob

10:36

"~\Documents\HyperCam3\2013_05_24_22_15_10_1920x1080.avi"

huh. When did I make that? What the heck is it?!

2 GB, 23s...

Oh, wait. It's that screencap of @OliverSalzburg's 3d-rendered thing waaaaaaay back :P

...and I've been backing it up all this time o.O

Must have a hundred copies of it by now

Oliver Salzburg

Thanks :D

Bob

I was wondering why my backups were getting so big :P

Oliver Salzburg

11:09

0

Q: How to get the ID of the conflicting row in upsert?

I have a table tag with 2 columns: id (uuid) and name (text). I now want to insert a new tag into the table, but if the tag already exists, I want to simply get the id of the existing record. I assumed I could just use ON CONFLICT DO NOTHING in combination with RETURNING "id": INSERT INTO "...

sql upsert postgresql-9.5

If anyone with VTC privileges could help me to migrate this to Database Administrators, that'd be great

Sathya

@OliverSalzburg done

Oliver Salzburg

11:25

@Sathya Thanks

qasdfdsaq

Burgi

for fox sake! ;)

qasdfdsaq

11:48

You mean for Bob's sake

Bob

I just spent four hours hunting down a short story I read half a decade ago.

Worst part? This is the second time I've done this hunt.

jokerdino

Did you find it?

Bob

Eventually found a copy of it in a PDF in a backup of a micro SD card in a backup of a laptop in a backup of an external HDD.

3

jokerdino

No, stop.

Bob

Hey, at least it was after my mobi days...

Burgi

11:53

mobi days?

Bob

@Burgi mobi is an ebook format, originally used on the Palm

(Mobipocket)

Burgi

ah

qasdfdsaq

12:05

@Bob Ah yes, where most of my important documents are...

(You can probably add a layer of image files to that in my case)

Bob

Oh cool FF updated their desktop notification design.

Looks better now. Works better.

qasdfdsaq

FF updated a lot of things. The interface feels faster now, though quite why it had to relaunch 4 times to update itself is a mystery

HackToHell

Still laggy, but not as bad as before

yay

Burgi

12:22

I had a very weird issue last night

my mum had plugged a pendrive into my aunt's win7 laptop but it kept showing up as having a capacity of zero in the drive manager. tested it on 2 win10 machines, a win XP machine and in OSX, all opened the drive fine. any suggestions?

allquixotic

@Burgi That sounds like some kind of corruption in a filesystem driver (or indeed, the driver for USB mass storage itself). I'd start with generic checks like sfc /scannow, chkdsk (on the system drive), and looking at whether the system has any viruses or trojans on it.

As long as it's FAT32 (supported since.... forever), exFAT (supported since some update to Windows XP or Vista SP1; it was in Windows 7 RTM), or NTFS (I don't think there are any compatibility-breaking changes to NTFS since Windows 7, even if it was originally formatted on Windows 10), it should "just work"

Burgi

@allquixotic that was my thinking

i didn't have time to do anything other than a basic diagnostic

i'll probably grab the laptop this weekend and do a full investigation

qasdfdsaq

There are no compatibility-breaking changes at all, plus it wouldn't make any difference to the size in device or disk manager, those ignore the filesystem entirely anyway.

As allquixotic said, either broken or dodgy USB drivers, mass storage drivers, or filter drivers.

(Or broken/dodgy USB port)

allquixotic

could also be some kind of messed-up Windows Explorer shell extension, I suppose

qasdfdsaq

That shouldn't affect disk management either?

allquixotic

12:34

@qasdfdsaq it shouldn't, but ... oh, I see he mentions there "drive manager", so I guess that's disk management, not Explorer

qasdfdsaq

Yeah I'm not entirely sure what he meants by "drive manager" but Im assuming disk

Burgi

thats what i meant, sorry

the latest android update just wiped my sd card >:(

qasdfdsaq

Mine likes to wipe itself

allquixotic

@Burgi that's very unusual... what version of Android did you upgrade from and to?

Burgi

no idea i didn't check the build numbers but it is marshmellow

HackToHell

12:45

freedom251.com/home

allquixotic

@HackToHell that's extremely low-end; but after I converted the rupees asking price into USD, I can understand why

HackToHell

Dirt cheap

How can shit be that cheap ;p

allquixotic

scqm?

Burgi

typo of scam

HackToHell

And I think it's a scam

edit isn't working o0

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allquixotic

12:51

what's that "Women Safety" app? is there some kind of organization that is called "Women Safety"?

Journeyman Geek

is that safety for women, or safety from women? Safety from what? Falls? creepy guys?

Burgi

all of the above

allquixotic

yeah, the grammar is a little off, but I can respect the intention of adding an app like that

Burgi

india has some serious issues with the public safety of women recently

Journeyman Geek

@Burgi :(

@allquixotic most of the preinstalled apps have wierd names

Burgi

12:54

about 18 months ago there was a woman who got gang-raped on a bus

Journeyman Geek

@HackToHell ... that's the price of what? A large bag of sweets?

Burgi

it made the news here in the uk

Journeyman Geek

@Burgi that's delhi.

HackToHell

@JourneymanGeek yeah

Burgi

my work colleagues seem to suggest it is a problem all over the country

allquixotic

12:56

I mean, I knew that Chinese-sourced components were cheap, but I've never seen a smartphone being sold that much lower than $20 USD.

Burgi

arstechnica reviewed $10 phone ages ago

allquixotic

for the price of an RPi (a much less capable device by most measures, though more hackable), you could buy like... 6 of those phones

Journeyman Geek

yup

@Burgi not reaaaaly

allquixotic

it has a "1.3 GHz Quadcore processor"... assuming it's a Mediatek or a Rockchip, that's gotta be at least 100 rupees of manufacturing cost right there

then a functional qHD touchscreen is probably another 100

I don't see how the economics work at all

Journeyman Geek

Maybe its 480p

allquixotic

12:59

unless they're selling them at a loss and have it loaded with crapware that exploits the user

Burgi

arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2015/12/…

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