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jokerdino

5:00 PM

You say a lot. Yep.

allquixotic

@jokerdino you might say she's very revealing

jokerdino

@allquixotic Only in the sense I mean.

Boris_yo

@allquixotic He

allquixotic

like that "Soma" brand of ... apparel O___O

Jimmy Hoffa

@Hennes Fuck all that, the diskdrives were better on RS232 anyway, had to keep the ISA's open for your soundblasters man... mmm hot midi vibes, that's what I'm talking about.

Ariane

5:01 PM

Lol, makes me sound like a whore.

jokerdino

Oops.

allquixotic

new incognito window -> google images -> soma

gogogogo, see you in 25 minutes

jokerdino

@allquixotic Uhm.

I use New Private Window.

allquixotic

whatevs

Hennes

The soundblasters with propriatary IDE connector for a CDROM, and 30 pin SIMM sockets for storing samples. And the GUS for good sound. :)

Ariane

5:01 PM

And I'M the one who says too much?

allquixotic

@Hennes I remember plugging in joystick to soundblaster lolol

Boris_yo

@OliverSalzburg They are benchmarkers. They get samples for testing and informing audience.

Hennes

I never used a joystick with a Intel style PC. Just with Amiga PCs

jokerdino

@allquixotic Soma shows images of this random person Soma.

Oliver Salzburg

@Boris_yo Yeah, but I doubt they get 50 samples of each SSD

Boris_yo

5:02 PM

@Hennes Even when playing Street Fighter?

allquixotic

@jokerdino it's a brand of apparel, there are US commercials about it

Hennes

I never played that.

allquixotic

they are.... umm

jokerdino

Even Soma Apparel is very much filtered. Life is boring. :/

Boris_yo

@OliverSalzburg Why so many samples? They get 1 for each model in product line.

Hennes

5:03 PM

The 386 had games such as Master of magic, Master of Orion, UFO-1, Civ-1, ...

allquixotic

the 486 had games such as Duke Nukem 1, Commander Keen, Major Stryker

I played the hell out of those

Oliver Salzburg

@Boris_yo The communication barrier between us is bigger than the great wall of China

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Hennes

I think I head about dukenem. The others are unknown to me

Boris_yo

@Hennes You don't use joystick when playing arcade games, platformers, arcade air combat and things that would play better with joystick?

jokerdino

@OliverSalzburg lol

allquixotic

5:04 PM

the first thing I ever typed on a computer

Hennes

oh, and colonisation.

Ariane

Lol, there was this restart button on Unetbootin. I thought it was the program that would restart. Nope, surprise computer reboot, heh.

allquixotic

A:
CD DUKE
DN1

Boris_yo

@allquixotic And you did not feel the need for joystick for these games.

jokerdino

@allquixotic Is that the game Dukem Nukem?

Hennes

5:05 PM

I never played arcade games on a PC. The amiga (with 2 or 4 joysticks) worked a lot better than the PC and its keyboard

allquixotic

@jokerdino ya

@Boris_yo I used a gamepad

Hennes

And the 'normal' joysticks did not fit. They just worked with a C64, a Speccy, a C128, an A500, an A2000 and some ataris'. The PC decided to be different so I had no joysticks for that

jokerdino

When I know something, I imagine it to be widely popular.

Boris_yo

@OliverSalzburg They get 1 sample for popular model. If it does not work or becomes defective, they return it to get replacement.

Oliver Salzburg

@Boris_yo I know how it works, you don't have to explain it to me

Hennes

5:06 PM

Also, not that much cash at the 386 time. So buying new ones while I had a set of perfectly good arcade pro sticks was not an option.

allquixotic

jeez, with all the conversation threads going on in chat today, we're gonna need GPGPU/CUDA/OpenCL or some of Jimmy's fancy dancy Haskell to manage all the threads ;)

Boris_yo

@Hennes @allquixotic I assumed gamepad and joystick under same.

jokerdino

We only miss a Bob ranting about IE9 not being so bad and JMG talking about his robotic clone.

Boris_yo

@OliverSalzburg Then we have great wall of China between us.

allquixotic

yeah where's @Bob

jokerdino

5:08 PM

@bob, I summon thee.

allquixotic

we need to tell him to sleep

if Bob isn't here because he's asleep, that's bad

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if he's here and we tell him to sleep and he won't, that's also bad

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Braiam

@OliverSalzburg dupe :P

jokerdino

It's only 4 AM in Sydney.

allquixotic

he's probably catching up on sleep debt from all those late nights talking to ~~Ariane~~ me and Ravi

Boris_yo

I still haven't upgraded to IE10 because I am still not sure.

Braiam

5:09 PM

I need to star 3 message in chat... that is TERRIBLE :(

jokerdino

@allquixotic lol. She didn't see it yet

Ariane

@allqui Problem. When I boot from USB, the only option in the menu is Default, and it only brings me back to the same menu again.

jokerdino

test ~~@Ariane~~

Boris_yo

@allquixotic All 3 of your messages miraclously got starred.

Ariane

and yeah, I'm there and reading on my phone.

allquixotic

5:10 PM

@Ariane -_-

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo they already patched IE10, so its not as bad as it was. The speel chucker is rather nice.

jokerdino

@Ariane what OS?

allquixotic

@jokerdino she flashed (whoa...) DamnSmallLinux 4.11 RC2 using unetbootin to a USB

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek Is there downgrade available to previous versions?

allquixotic

I don't get to use those words in that order very often in a professional context

jokerdino

5:11 PM

@allquixotic the next level now?

Ariane

Eh. USB key created from Windows 8 professional with damn small Linux.

allquixotic

she flashed

@Ariane if this doesn't work, you get to rename it "damn Linux" :-)

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo if you get it via the updates, I think it is still removable/retractable , until you get the other update which allows you to remove old updates. Plus there is prerequisite IE10 updates, that cause some minor issues.

allquixotic

@Ariane no way for you to burn a CD/DVD?

Ariane

hah he said it. Also I did read that message with me scratched out by I didn't understand it.

eh I do have DVDs, even though it's a bit of a waste.

jokerdino

5:14 PM

@Ariane cough It wasn't meant for you.

allquixotic

@Ariane well if you can spare one....

that would be a much more reliable way to go

no additional downloading needed

jokerdino

What was the matter anyway?

allquixotic

just burn that DSL 4.11 RC2 syslinux iso using Windows' built-in ISO writer

jokerdino

Why are you trying to boot from USB?

Ariane

Don't cough stuff and then not tell me. D:

allquixotic

5:15 PM

@jokerdino WRP preventing deletion of protected files, needs to boot Linux and rm -rf some stuff

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek In that case I will wait until updates will be fixed and not cause some minor issues.

Ariane

eh need to delete Windows system files

jokerdino

@allquixotic Why can't the protected files just stay there?

allquixotic

@jokerdino because Quebec

jokerdino

@allquixotic Trebec.

Ariane

5:16 PM

they're in the way and I want to reinstall.

allquixotic

@jokerdino no, Quebec

Darth Android

> This cat… it’s vibrating. Is that supposed to happen?

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It really scares me that someone didn't grow up with the wonder that is kitties.

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Psycogeek

@Boris_yo I don't think they will fix shit. If they were going to they would have long ago when people pitched a fit. It will just go into the pile of other bugs that "less" people are really ticked off about, and "more" people didn't know they existed.

Oliver Salzburg

@Braiam Right. And the dupe says it's already fixed. But I reported the issue after the supposed fix was implemented

allquixotic

5:17 PM

Felis catus is your taxonomic nomenclature,
An endothermic quadruped, carnivorous by nature;
Your visual, olfactory, and auditory senses
Contribute to your hunting skills and natural defenses.

I find myself intrigued by your subvocal oscillations,
A singular development of cat communications
That obviates your basic hedonistic predilection
For a rhythmic stroking of your fur to demonstrate affection.

A tail is quite essential for your acrobatic talents;
You would not be so agile if you lacked its counterbalance.

jokerdino

@allquixotic So, no real reason? One of us

Ariane

scientific poetry... oo'

jokerdino

@Ariane I don't mind telling you but I can't.

allquixotic

@Ariane en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Ode_to_Spot

jokerdino

Everyone, freeze. I am finding a good cat gif.

Ariane

5:19 PM

@joker That's just cruel. D:

allquixotic

!!tell 11733185 no

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Psycogeek

@ChatBotJohnCavil damn bot

Oliver Salzburg

Useful: catgifpage.com

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Ariane

Hey, doesn't Windows have a built-in utility somewhere for burning ISOs?

allquixotic

5:20 PM

@Ariane the point of giving that in this context is especially the part "I find myself intrigued by your subvocal oscillations / A singular development of cat communications" in reference to Darth's quote of someone being unfamiliar with cats purruing

@Ariane this is what I said a few lines above, but, yes. :-)

Psycogeek

Ok where is the cat removal tool in IE10?

Darth Android

@Ariane If you haven't associated ISOs with a tool other than Windows Explorer, yes

allquixotic

windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/…

Darth Android

Also, I now have evidence for a Feline Corollary to Godwin's Law.

allquixotic

@DarthAndroid ?

Ariane

5:21 PM

Oh I see. Open with explorer. Should've maybe made it a right click option.

allquixotic

@DarthAndroid meaning, every conversation eventually devolves into cat pictures?

Darth Android

@allquixotic My tired brain is amused by how quickly this chat derailed onto cats.

Hennes

allquixotic

@DarthAndroid but of course! they're cute little furry things that are so innocent-looking and need our help to survive! and they have cute little clawy-claws and they purr at you and ram their face into your leg, and claw up your work pants when you don't give them cheese....

Darth Android

@allquixotic That, and that once cats are mentioned, thread is over.

jokerdino

5:23 PM

@OliverSalzburg I like how you say useful.

Psycogeek

keep em comming. the ads hunter needs something to shoot.

jokerdino

Like the Chatbot calling himself useful. xP

Ariane

@allquixotic When I open my ISO with Windows Explorer, it creates a fake DVD drive and shows the contents in it. Odd.

allquixotic

my cat, Nikki, lays in the hallway in the morning waiting for me to come down to go to work, and as soon as she sees me, she stands up and meows and comes toward me... then she stops at the top step of the stairs and I pet her a few times, then when I start walking downstairs she bolts down the stairs, and I pet her again at the bottom of the stairs, etc

Oliver Salzburg

►

It's even better with sound

jokerdino

5:25 PM

Hey mom. Give me a minute. I'll be in bed after this last cat video.

Oliver Salzburg

My cats go nuts when I play that video

allquixotic

@Ariane you have to use the program to "burn" the ISO

Boris_yo

@Hennes Look what cats done to you!

Ariane

But there's no program. There's only an I: drive showing up in the Explorer.

Apparently those instructions only apply to Windows 7 so it changed.

jokerdino

@OliverSalzburg That was actually pretty... nice. The slomo.

Ariane

5:26 PM

And I don't have the right click option a screenshot is showing. Hmm.

Boris_yo

@OliverSalzburg That's because of HD monitor you have. It breaths life.

Oliver Salzburg

@Boris_yo It's because of the sounds actually

Boris_yo

@OliverSalzburg Apparently cats talk in meows.

Humanity needs translators for animals.

Ariane

Aaaah. I see.

The right click option only shows up if the explorer is the default program for ISOs. Odd.

It has been soooooooo many years since I last burned an optical disc.

Calin

Could anyone help me with this regex? [^A-Za-z0-9](?!pdf) . It works with JS regex, but not with sed. I want to remove all special chars except the dot from extension. Thanks in advance

Oliver Salzburg

5:29 PM

@Boris_yo The noises cats make are pretty easy to interpret once you observe them long enough

@Calin You probably just have to escape everything

Ariane

Should be good. Trying to boot from Linux. If all goes well I'll jump with the Windows reinstallation.

jokerdino

> I never read “The Game” or any kind of pickup thing. I never met a girl at a bar or a party or anything like that. The only pickup line I ever used was, “Didn’t I once see you in Canada?” and it didn’t work

lol @allquixotic ^^

Oliver Salzburg

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Q: Linux command for sorting

What is the linux command used for sorting different attributes in a file with different delimiters and also command for checking whether a file is sorted or not and also please provide a good reference for linux 'sort' command

wat

jokerdino

@OliverSalzburg that's a nice sentence

Oliver Salzburg

> What do you use to sort something and what does the sort program do?

and...and...and

Calin

5:34 PM

@OliverSalzburg I did with gsub String method in ruby

Oliver Salzburg

@Calin In that case it probably doesn't support lookaround

If you're already in ruby, why are you calling out to sed for regex?

Boris_yo

@OliverSalzburg Can you assume what cat's communicate from video you posted?

Oliver Salzburg

@Boris_yo Yeah, it's "I'M GOING TO KILL YOU!!!!!"

Boris_yo

@OliverSalzburg Are they not empathic, delicate and civilized to such extent? Violence is not the answer.

Calin

probably.
I want to learn everything. As bash is standalone on linux machine, why to install any language for some tasks. But in some cases, I should use ruby(which I know better than bash, and I use it daily)

allquixotic

5:38 PM

@jokerdino that's me

Psycogeek

@OliverSalzburg must be those "subvocal oscillations" :-)

Ariane

@allquixotic Problem. "Can't find a <something> filesystem, sorry. Dropping you to a (very) limited shell."

It's made to work from an USB key apparently.

Darth Android

@Ariane Ah, fun. When the initscript makes assumptions.

what filesystem is it looking for?

Jimmy Hoffa

Winter needs to come sooner, I miss the snow.

Ariane

I don't know. I don't remember.

Just gonna try LinuxLive to make a USB key.

Oliver Salzburg

5:50 PM

@Calin Makes sense

@Calin bash itself also has regex support

It's just as much fun :P

allquixotic

@Ariane oh, that's a good idea

I forgot about LinuxLive, use that, it's good!

Ariane

Just googled, heh.

BRB, trying it out.

@allqui When I boot to the USB key, I'm brought to a command line interface apparently named GRUB4DOS. What do I do?

allquixotic

@Ariane GRUB4DOS?? argh... it isn't burning properly! :/

GRUB is the boot loader

did you boot to the same DSL 4.11RC2 syslinux that I linked before?

Ariane

yes. I put that one on my USB key with Linux Live.

allquixotic

this one is without syslinux, maybe that would work better: distro.ibiblio.org/damnsmall/release_candidate/dsl-4.11.rc2.iso

it's still only 50 MB, but a different bootloader

Ariane

6:04 PM

Heh, hope it doesn't take as long to download. Thanks for your help by the way.

70 KB/s. Almost fast.

Ironic that I want to reinstall Windows but it's Linux that's giving me trouble.

Since having an external OS is useful sometimes, I think I'll make myself a little 5 GB partition where I'll install a full permanent Linux distribution. Sounds nice.

allquixotic

@Ariane yeah that's always nice

Ariane

What's something hassle-free, Windows-user-friendly, and won't force me to have a dual boot menu?

allquixotic

@Ariane you're going to have a dual boot menu no matter what, you can't get around that, but you can configure grub so that it has a very short or zero timeout (so it doesn't wait around for you to pick an option) and set the default to Windows

Darth Android

define "won't force me to have a dual-boot menu" ?

Because ... what @allquixotic said. You'll need some way of switching between them.

Ariane

I don't want to be given the option to boot to Linux. If I want to boot into Linux, I'll press F11 and go to the boot menu.

Psycogeek

6:16 PM

If you got more than one disk it is rather convienient and less problematic to use the bios to hop between systems.

Ariane

Disc... Wait, the BIOS only sees drives, not partitions? Poop, I'm gonna have a problem, because while I do have 3 drives, one is slow as hell and only used for backup purposes, and one is full with my data partition, and you can't really shrink a partition, and well the last drive is the SSD Windows goes on.

allquixotic

@Ariane if both Windows and Linux are installed on a GPT-partitioned hard drive and booting by UEFI, you can have both OSes appear in your BIOS's UEFI boot menu (even on the same hard drive), and that will be your "dual boot menu"

UEFI itself is a sort of "boot loader" kind of like GRUB used to be, in the sense that the BIOS can now "see" OSes on different partitions on the same HDD

Ariane

Oh phew. Wait, what's GPT-partitioned? And is an SSD okay?

allquixotic

except that UEFI is the BIOS, the lowest level software on your computer

@Ariane SSD is fine, GPT is GUID Partition Table, the partition table format that's required for proper UEFI booting

the default / 1980s layout is called Master Boot Record (MBR) and it only supports booting 4 partitions, and each partition can only be up to 2 TB in size, and the size of the program that can go in the boot sector is so small that they can't fit a proper UEFI loader in it, so MBR can't be used

something like Easeus Partition Master can probably convert an MBR formatted disk to GPT without losing any data, but Windows might find itself unable to boot if you do that, unless you then boot to the Windows recovery console from a Windows CD and run fixboot and friends

maybe even have to run bcdedit

Ariane

Oh, okay. So GPT is just something not antic which I don't need to care about. Roger.

Psycogeek

6:22 PM

@allquixotic i think the free version of easus didnt see my GPTs

allquixotic

@Ariane well, if you want to set up your dual boot based on UEFI, you will be forced to enable to GPT, unless you're already formatted as GPT

unless you just go with the old way, which is to install GRUB as a boot loader

Ariane

I don,t think I,ve ever been given that option. Windows probably always makes GPT partitions in the install process, hmm?

Psycogeek

@Ariane the disk manager would tell you what they are now.

allquixotic

yeah under computer management

Ariane

Where is that in the disk manager?

Psycogeek

6:30 PM

C:\Windows\System32\diskmgmt.msc

@Ariane on the left of the graphic view it will say stuff, and in the text view it will say. plus i think they use color coding of the chunks in the graphic view.

Ariane

I was already in the disk management tool. Though I see no such thing as a text view.

Jimmy Hoffa

@allquixotic ...and it supports being awesome, simple, and really easy to work with

Ariane

Who's awesome?

Psycogeek

@Ariane ugg, i cant see it either, there has to be something.

Hennes

@Ariane I am. ;-)

Jimmy Hoffa

6:34 PM

@Ariane MBR, I mean, it talks about masters and boots all in one name, I dare say it's like the Judge Dredd of computers

Hennes

MBR was limited to very small disks. That was fun. 508MB HDD -> forget it.

MBR/BIOS got patched quite a few times in the past

Ariane

Lol, silly @allquixotic. I just knew I didn't have to worry about it.

Anyway I'll worry about Linux later. I'll go try my key now. As long as I keep some free space on the SSD, I can do it after I'm done with Windows, right?

allquixotic

@Ariane -_-

Jimmy Hoffa

@Hennes All I'm saying is I miss LILO. GRUB configs are simply nowhere near as easy to tweak without totally crapping up your system.

Hennes

Aye

allquixotic

6:36 PM

if you're doing a clean reinstall, sure

Ariane

All rightie. Off I am then. Hope the key works.

Hennes

Just [shift] init=/bin/bash [enter] though

mount / -o remount,rw

Ariane

............what?

Hennes

Just commenting on old linux installations and LILO

Ariane

Uhm okay. See you in a bit!

allquixotic

6:37 PM

@JimmyHoffa pfft... you mean you miss not having your bootloader need to know where to find its "stage2" payload because there's not enough free space in the MBR's boot sector for the whole boot loader?

Jimmy Hoffa

@allquixotic I mean stage 2 is cool and all, I just wish stage 2 would stop showing off with it's "Oo I'm here I'm here! Hey guys look at this picture! It's probably a cat lolz! You want a boot message and login when I'm done? Fwahaha I'm busy wait what is that? Panic panic! I will give you nothing useful henceforth! Panic! Reboot reboot!"

Hennes

Or the fun of swapping drive and LI.......

IIRC that is where it would hang

Jimmy Hoffa

@Hennes haha ok that was always pretty great

allquixotic

@Hennes yep lol "LI"

Jimmy Hoffa

at least it let you know very concisely something was a foot LI....... facepalm

Hennes

6:40 PM

Still, given the space they had it was not bad

Time for food and some anime [planets]

Jimmy Hoffa

@Hennes I just wish I could still do it. I miss the days that you didn't need a tool to update your kernel, you just moved it to the boot folder and reran lilo, tada. Now there's all kinds of magic it goes through in swibbing and swabbing grub to know that you have a new kernel

Hennes

I love FreeBSD's nextreboot option

Try the new kernel... ONCE

Darth Android

Oh god I'd forgotten all about lilo

Hennes

It it does not work, just reboot and back to the old one

Jimmy Hoffa

@DarthAndroid it never forgot about you

Ariane

6:45 PM

Damn Small Linux is working. However I haven't a clue if how to reach my computer's files from it. It's like it thinks the computer equals the USB key. Won't even give me the drive letter.

@allqui What should I do?

Jimmy Hoffa

Did you open a command prompt and try dir C:/

Psycogeek

@Ariane On the left of the graphic view of the disks (in disk manager) Right click and bring up the properties , then go to the "voumes" tab. it says MBr Or GPT in there.

Ariane

@Psy It's been determined that it can't be the old thing, so all is fine.

Jimmy Hoffa

If it says SPOON instead you're in trouble

Ariane

means the computer is hungry?

Psycogeek

6:48 PM

i know it was around there somwhere :-)

Hennes

try listing the drives. E.g. fdisk -l

If it shows a /dev/sda1 NTFS sonenumber someotthernumer then sda1 is you windows NTFS volume

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Hennes

mount that with mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt.

cd /mnt

ls

Ariane

the help is that crap. Wait a sec I closed a settings dialog and it still decided to validate the like a retard. gotta fix that.

allquixotic

@Ariane sec

so you got it booted?

Ariane

6:51 PM

yes.