Root Access

Ivo Flipse

12:07

woehoe for random reboots

I was just away from the computer, came back: bam! fresh into Windows

any idea where I can see what might have caused it

@TomWij, Eclipse tops the charts in this SO question:

532

Q: What IDE to use for Python?

Asking as a Python beginner, what IDEs ("GUIs/editors") do others use for Python coding? If you can just give the name (for example, Textpad, Eclipse ..) that will be enough. If it is already mentioned, you can just vote for it. But if you can also give some more comparative information, that w...

I tried it, but couldn't really make sense of it :\

TomWij

Yeah, Eclipse is PITA sometimes, but apart from that it is great to work with.

Sathya

for python ?

Ivo Flipse

yeah

TomWij

Did you had no sense setting up your project or the programming itself?

Ivo Flipse

I need an interactive mode, so I can tweak my objects in real time

and getting the right libraries loaded was a pain :\

Sathya

12:12

@IvoFlipse try code.google.com/p/pyscripter

TomWij

@IvoFlipse: pydev.org/manual_adv_debug_console.html

@IvoFlipse Yeah, that's the thing I hate about Eclipse the most, those settings pages could use some organization.

Ivo Flipse

I guess the debug mode accomplishes the same

well simply set it up for me :P

TomWij

Yeah, that's the Debug perspective.

Sathya

@TomWij I'm getting invalid value for permissions[1] while trying to implement the answer mentioned in the SO answer, any idea why ?

Ivo Flipse

@Sathya actually I fear I should learn to try and set it up, if only to know what the heck is going on

TomWij

12:15

Hmm

@Sathya: code.google.com/chrome/extensions/manifest.html#permissions

Dunno what's wrong, haven't written such extension yet.

I'm wondering if it wolud just work with

"permissions": [ "tabs" ]

Sathya

does the channel matter ? Dev/stable et al ?

@TomWij well that seems to work

TomWij

@Sathya: Yeah, I think there is some inconsistency between the channels.

Searching for the error itself shows that error popping up in combination with people trying to install an extension on a newer version of Chrome.

Sathya

@TomWij yes, possible. I'm on 8

portable edition, to boot @TomWij

Mokubai

@IvoFlipse Are you using the "Alt+Enter" interactive mode in Eclipse?

Sathya

great, works fine! Thanks again @TomWij

Ivo Flipse

12:23

well I've just set some things up @Mokubai, so I don't really know yet :P

TomWij

Nice

Ivo Flipse

eclipse.buildId=unknown
java.version=1.6.0_23
java.vendor=Sun Microsystems Inc.
BootLoader constants: OS=win32, ARCH=x86, WS=win32, NL=nl_NL
Command-line arguments: -os win32 -ws win32 -arch x86

Error
Mon Jan 31 13:25:23 CET 2011
Unable to get project for the run

Mokubai

The pydev interactive mode has some quirks, such as the current directory being set to the eclipse directory rather than the project directory, but for the most part you can work around it...

Ivo Flipse

woehoe!

oh and I see it's x86 while I have x64

Mokubai

The x64 eclipse?

Ivo Flipse

12:26

most annoying things I find is that I just want to import a library and be done with it, not have to go np.array everywhere

Mokubai

"import np.array as nparr" ?

or "from np import array" ?

Ivo Flipse

well in Spyder (from Python(x,y)) it just loads the interpreter with those libraries, so I instantly have access to all numpy, scipy functions

I don't have to think about all that :P

Mokubai

ah, one mo

Ivo Flipse

great I started a project, tried changing the workplace and guess what: eclipse restarts without me saving the project :P

DMA57361

afternoon all

Mokubai

12:34

You can set up more imports for the intereactive console there

Hi @DMA57361

Ivo Flipse

I'll give that a shot @Mokubai :)

hi @DMA57361

Mokubai

@IvoFlipse I'd just copy whatever spyder has as it's startup line into there.

DMA57361

anyone else having one of those Mondays? :P

Mokubai

@DMA57361 Yep

Ivo Flipse

yup

and so does my computer

it randomly rebooted on me :@

DMA57361

12:38

least I'm not alone then...I suppose...

over-overclocked it?

Mokubai

You're never alone, They are always watching...

Ivo Flipse

I set it to 4.2 Ghz now @DMA57361

we'll see how it holds up

DMA57361

f/e, it's always a bit of a testing game

Ivo Flipse

and now I'm setting up Ubuntu in a VM, to try another Python IDE

Mokubai

@IvoFlipse You can get eclipse and pydev up and running in Ubuntu as well ;)

Ivo Flipse

12:43

I know

Mokubai

What IDE you looking at?

Ivo Flipse

well no, actually I can't ;P

Sage

more or less the same as Python(x,y), but well I just want to see what it does

Mokubai

Does it look any good? I've kinda gotten used to eclipse, but it is somewhat odd at times...

Ivo Flipse

my goal for this week will be to make some GUI element that shows my paw rolling off

what the heck, it made a it folder that's 85 folders deep, all named after itself :\

DMA57361

erm, sounds...interesting...

Ivo Flipse

12:51

and it doesn't want to be deleted :S

DMA57361

what is it that's done this?

Ivo Flipse

Eclipse

DMA57361

:/ odd

Ivo Flipse

too bad you'll miss the Town Hall Chat

though in all honesty, I expect most users to already have made up their mind

TomWij

@IvoFlipse: rd /s "\\?\C:\Path\To\Annoying\Folder"

DMA57361

12:53

getting 10 people from accross the world together at one time isn't an easy task

Sathya

afternoon @DMA57361

DMA57361

hi @Sathya

Sathya

bad Monday eh @DMA57361

TomWij

My laptop was very weird yesterday...

DMA57361

@Sathya well it's not had the best start (or middle) so far

TomWij

12:54

It came to the point that visiting YouTube causes the screen to be off for 20 seconds, then some flashing and then it shows the YouTube page with the video just green... :D

Ivo Flipse

doesn't work @TomWij

I'll reboot and have unlockr delete it

TomWij

Happened several times that day with programs that involve OpenGL/DirectX :D

@IvoFlipse: Huh?

Is it locked?

Ivo Flipse

no idea

Sathya

@TomWij hmm, reminds me of your earlier problem

TomWij

You can unlock it through Process Explorer.

@Sathya Yeah, it is that problem. I'm still thinking it's the VRAM, but well.

It almost doesn't happen anymore.

But that might be due to exams (= less gaming) :D

Sathya

12:56

@TomWij hah! didn;t you get it replaced ?

IIRC there was some plastic sticker causing problems too

TomWij

Yeah, that helped towards lower temperatures and the problem occurs a lot less.

It's downclocked too (not noticable).

I need some software to stress test the video memory only, which I could burn as a Live CD.

Sathya: I have the thoughts that my problem would be 100% fixed if I could somehow flush the video memory on a regular basis.

Hmm, would a resolution change do that?

Sathya

perhaps @TomWij I'm not too certain though ;( but since resolution change would involve clearing everything, guess that should work

TomWij

I'd rather have my laptop change the resolution every hour (or when I unlock it or something) than losing my screen when I need it or losing a game or data due to a BSOD.

A better solution would be a real flush without changing the resolution.

Hmm, or perhaps force it to change it to the resolution itself, if possible through API calls.

Err, Google interprets VRAM as NVRAM, bad idea to search that way. :D

@Sathya: Hmm, what about screen orientation, could rotate it 180° twice. :D

Then the windows shouldn't rescale.

Sathya

@TomWij clever :D

TomWij

Let's see what happens when the control panel does that.

Sathya

13:09

you should try to get it replaced :\

TomWij

Hmm, would there be a way to monitor vram usage...

VGA BIOS 62.92.AE.00.0C

Sathya

0

Q: How can I monitor video memory usage?

How can I monitor video memory usage?

video monitor memory

hmm not enough info there

I found an interesting way to test video ram integrity. The leadtek utility, winfox, has a small app that informs you of graphics memory usage. So i ran that, and two instances of rthdribl, resizing the two windows until all video ram was in use. Then i started bumping up my video ram speed until the internal driver test failed. Here's a screenshot.

Mokubai

@TomWij In Windows Vista GPU-z (techpowerup.com/gpuz) can monitor VRAM usage for my nVidia GPU...

TomWij

winfox

Sathya

@TomWij nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=49638

TomWij

13:23

@Mokubai: Checking.

Interesting, Memory Controller Load and Video Engine Load looks like useful information too.

Mokubai

It's pretty neat to watch the video engine load while playing HD video... :)

Nice to prove you're actually using the hardware decoder instead of software...

TomWij

Yay! @Sathya: Changing color depth twice seems to do the job.

180 MB (32 bit) --> 36 MB (16 bit) --> 78 MB (32 bit)

Sathya

@Mokubai yep..

TomWij

Wait, what.

Parts of YouTube video are loaded in VRAM?

Close YouTube tab, see it free 40 - 45 MB. xD

Or hmm, maybe just the images Google Chrome uses.

Sathya

@TomWij hmm GPU acceleration ?

TomWij

13:30

Yeah, it's GPU accelerated.

@Mokubai: How does the "Log to file" thing work?

Sathya

@TomWij it logs whatever you see on screen to a text file

TomWij

As my computer would crash, how can I see the contents of that file?

Guess I should just click it and locate the file with Process Monitor.

Then let it log all the time I use my laptop, and then I can see what condition it crashes in...

Sathya

it'd be saved every n seconds, I'd imagine

Mokubai

looks like it writes it on a second by second basis, so as long as Windows actually flushed the file to the drive you'll get some indication

TomWij

Because the Exception the NVIDIA Driver throws is "Insufficient Resources".

Mokubai

13:33

just set it to log and the file is growing while I'm looking at it...

TomWij

Although that's not really true, at least not for disk, page and memory.

Perhaps VRAM.

Mokubai

When I clicked log to file it came up with a "choose file" dialog, and was set to the GPU-Z directory

Though I have a slightly older version of GPU-Z

TomWij

But I just think, as the memory might be unstable. If I flush it every hour or so, I can remove the dirty bits which cause the crash...

@Mokubai: Ah yeah, I see it now. Nice that it asks... :)

Mokubai

The log is in a nice csv format so you can just open it in excel or whatever...

TomWij

Oh, it's a CSV, nice.

Mokubai

13:36

:)

TomWij

Hmm, now I wonder if it is possible to run GPU-Z at boot.

And have it automatically log.

Mokubai

you could get it to go with an AHK script if nothing else....

TomWij

Yeah, could try.

Or rather "I should do"... :D

There are always those thoughts that would speed up your work (eg. I sometimes need to translate a word quick which I could do very quick, but as I don't have the tool for I instead google for Google Translate and do it there.)

Sathya

why not drop it into startup @TomWij

TomWij

Hmm, makes me think, would it be possible to control the Super User site with keyboard only. :D

Mokubai

13:40

AHK could probably let you set up a load of hotkeys to navigate around...

TomWij

Ah, yes Sathya, it automatically logs. No need for a script, woohoo... :-)

Mokubai

It remembers that you were wanting to log when it restarts? Cool.

TomWij

Yeah.

Set it to minimized mode in the shortcut properties.

Mokubai

I'd watch out though, that log file could grow big quite quickly by the looks of it

TomWij

Only shows loading screen and then hides in task bar.

@Mokubai: Let's see what compression does to it.

Size: 45.9 KB
Size on disk: 8 KB

Mokubai

13:43

Aye, windows compression would probably help make it small, only problem there is that's an extra delay before it being written to disk

tombull89

er...halp? superuser.com/questions/239945/…

TomWij

@Mokubai: I don't care if the file turns out to be a few GB, it'l be a long time until it hits 226 GB. :D

lol

Mokubai

I don't know how windows compression works but on a large file wouldn't an append mean loading the entire file in before compression and writing back out?

While an append on an uncompressed file just be adding blocks at the end...

@TomWij Fair enough, plenty of space to grow :)

@tombull89 What language is that?

tombull89

Polish.

Mokubai

my guess is that "POMOCY" means "help"...

Ivo Flipse

13:46

woops I hit delete a bit too fast :P

tombull89

Google translator polish > english almost makes sense.

TomWij

@IvoFlipse: This post has been deleted - no more edits are allowed

I was translating it... :D

> What's the problem with Skype that doesn't want to turn on? So yes, I have installed Skype and when I run it it shows up as normal

tombull89

beat ya: Whats the problem with skype I do not want to turn. describe how it looks. so yes I have installed skype manadżer run them on task in the process shows up and growing use as normal but when it comes to this momętu is activated when the process disappears.

HELP HOW TO OPERATION OF

Ivo Flipse

good luck

Mokubai

Woo! I win: translate.google.com/#auto|en|POMOCY

tombull89

13:48

post deleted - post undeleted o.O

TomWij

Translated. :-)

@Mokubai: 28 KB now.

Mokubai

@TomWij Compressed or uncompressed?

TomWij

Compressed

I'm looking into the stock BIOS (not planning to flash it).

100% fanspeed is simply not true, it's done by the motherboard in my case.

But interesting to now that it shuts down at 108 +- 6 °C

Clocks are these:

Voltages for each mode are: 1V; 0.9V; 0.9V and 0.85V

TomWij

14:36

> Because of security issues, Google restricts extensions to run at Chrome Extensions Gallery page. Please try to run at any other page. :D

Ivo Flipse

hi @Bloodphilla

ok forget it, I've had enough of trying to make Eclipse work for now :P

code that runs perfectly in Python x,y fails to run in here and I have no clue how to troubleshoot it

and the machine gave me another big F, by rebooting on me

I don't even notice any problems, like the fans turning louder or something :S

TomWij

whoa

My extension is acting weird...

Sathya

which extension @TomWij

Ivo Flipse

14:51

anyone any suggestions for finding out what might have caused the reboot?

would Windows keep a log?

TomWij

One I downloaded to translate, and now... When I select something it translates it.

@IvoFlipse: Yes, even a memory dump if it isn't power or overclocking related.

Sathya

@IvoFlipse the event log should have everything

Ivo Flipse

lol I clicked on memory check: bang reboot :P

event log, where do I find that one?

Sathya

system: app crash

Rebecca Chernoff

Super User Election: Town Hall Chat

meta.superuser.com/questions/5149/…

Ivo Flipse

15:00

Kernel-power error

what could be the cause of that?

Sathya

hmm @IvoFlipse social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itproperf/thread/…

fahad

Plese help me out pick up this box with a robot

KronoS

@fahad 0_o huh?

fahad

@KronoS: I want to pick this box up with the help of a robot

Ivo Flipse

use a magnet :P

fahad

15:04

Its made up of wood : )

I was thinking to use a rod which will insert from the 6.5 cm hole and pass through the second hole.But there is a danger that the box can move upside down then

Ivo Flipse

put iron in it ;)

so use two rods and stick them in the right side

fahad

its a competition : p

Ivo Flipse

if it's filled with something, gravity would prevent it from rotating

fahad

nerc.com.pk/…

I cant do anything. I just have to pick it up in this state only

Ivo Flipse

stick it through the two holes then

KronoS

15:10

@fahad are the holes mirrored on both sides?

fahad

@KronoS:yes

KronoS

I would approach by going through the two holes to the other side... there's no tipping

like a forklift

fahad

Cant move there

My robot will come from the front side

I can use a mechanical arm to pick it up

I think that If i use all the fingers of the robot to insert them in the box then I can do it.But its a typical job then

Ivo Flipse

what does the robot look like?

@Sathya, it appears Speedstep is the problem, especially when overclocking I reckon

Sathya

@IvoFlipse you ought to disable it

fahad

15:17

societyofrobots.com/robot_arm_tutorial.shtml

Ivo Flipse

yeah, though it's a major power safer I reckon

some others claim some of the drivers might conflict

trying to uninstall some hardware, to see if it helps

Sathya

SpeedStep and OC'ing are often go in the reverse ways

generally most people disable SpeedStep since it often brings down the clocks

Ivo Flipse

it does, but they fire up very quickly

2

Sathya

@IvoFlipse :)))

Ivo Flipse

they event viewer also mentions one error just before crashing

Sathya

15:27

@IvoFlipse what's that ? same kernel-power ?

Ivo Flipse

> Het stuurprogramma PCI heeft een ongeldige id voor een ondergeschikt apparaat geretourneerd (010101010101010100). (sorry for the Dutch)

the driver PCI returned the wrong ID for a device

Sathya

oh

Ivo Flipse

I wonder if that's a GPU problem :S

it's the only PCI device I have

Sathya

is the GPU overclocked ?

Ivo Flipse

nope

but the drivers came from Windows

Sathya

15:32

:\

Ivo Flipse

so I might install the official ones instead

Sathya

grab the nvidia drivers

Ivo Flipse

didn't give me any problems before though

Sathya

hmm

Ivo Flipse

15:50

where did you calculate that @Sathya?

Sathya

wakoopa @IvoFlipse

Ivo Flipse

oh you tracked it yourself

Sathya

@IvoFlipse yep, have it running all the time on my laptop

social.wakoopa.com/sathyabhat

Ivo Flipse

I don't want to know I reckon :P

Sathya

:))

Mokubai

15:59

@IvoFlipse Did you find a good alternative to Eclipse + pydev? I've gotten a bit annoyed by it's "problems"...

Ivo Flipse

nope

but I'm going back to Python x,y for now

it just works

though you don't get a lot of the fancy Eclipse stuff

Mokubai

Which IDE do you use in Python x,y? Eclipse is an option in there...

Ivo Flipse

uhm no hang on

click on that button

it will run Spyder as your IDE

but strangely, it used to have options: full, and some others

Mokubai

Okay, will give Spyder a try

Ivo Flipse

and they're gone :S

which meant what libraries it had to preload

Mokubai

16:04

just loads everything or nothing now then :S

Does it do code completion or anything like that?

Ivo Flipse

basic code completion yeah

David

We now(inetcore.com/project/ipv4ec/en-us/index.html) have less than 1,000,000 IPv4 addresses

Ivo Flipse

if we got rid of all the spam sites, we'd have plenty left

David

And... if we got rid of all the unused IP addresses that companies have just in case they may need them in the next 1000 years, we would have plenty.

Ivo Flipse

16:45

strange @Mokubai I'm looking at PyQT examples, but when I click on the documentation, I get C++ code :P

TomWij

0

A: Google Chrome URL Variables/Macros?

problem not solved closing....

Hmm...

0

A: Google Chrome URL Variables/Macros?

problem not solved closing....

Ivo Flipse

deleted those

like he wanted them too, but without the rep gain :P

Sathya

@IvoFlipse PyQT has horrible documentation

Ivo Flipse

well what else do you recommend for making some GUI elements

Sathya

dunno really :-s never handled the GUI part

Daniel Beck

16:52

good evening everyone

Ivo Flipse

hi @DanielBeck

Sathya

hi @DanielBeck you're amongst the monthly toppers in the Super User league

stackexchange.com/leagues/3/month/superuser

nice going

Daniel Beck

I lost #1 spot somewhere around the 17th IIRC

and there are not enough OS X questions for me on the site ;)

Sathya

@DanielBeck hah, @Mark complains the same ;P

TomWij

:O

Just noticed that you can disable sites on the StackExchange Hot Questions list, cool...

Daniel Beck

16:59

@Sathya He's right. And I fear it gets worse now that Apple.SE is out of beta.

Ivo Flipse

we haven't had decent Windows questions in over a year ;P

akira

@IvoFlipse: what? my windows question was pretty decent :)

hi everyone.

@IvoFlipse: did you check out pyside.org instead of PyQt?

Sathya

hi @akira

Ivo Flipse

17:16

I'm looking at it now @akira

I'm just going to work through some tutorials, to see what I can do with what

David

Hello @JeffreyDahmer

O wait... he isn't in here...

DMA57361

howdy all

I seem to have lost access to the web pages again >.<

Ivo Flipse

have you checked your DNS? ;P

akira

have you looked in the trashcan?

DMA57361

yeah, been though all that last time

ah, no wait, it's awakened

whew

it's Voting Time™

DMA57361

17:54

ooo, Strunk & White :)

studiohack

nice!

DMA57361

wow... seriously only 41 users on SU have it?

heh, only 9 have Copy Editor

studiohack

yeah.

the Sportsmanship badge only has 4 users too

Ivo Flipse

that's strange really

I either don't post an answer if a better one is there

I don't post if I don't think I have the right answer

or I edit the answer that was posted earlier, but not as pretty as I want it to be

so how on earth would I get the sportsmanship badge if there are never great competing answers ;P

Daniel Beck

@IvoFlipse Sometimes there are different solutions, both good. Read one, upvote it, post the other.

Ivo Flipse

18:02

that's true, but not enough to get that badge ;)

KronoS

wow... you guys kept going on in the town hall eh? I see how it is ;)

Ivo Flipse

we waited for you to leave ;P

KronoS

I see... well see if I still keep slaving away to you now @IvoFlipse ;P

lifehacker.com/5744113

why not just use SO? ;)

Daniel Beck

If you ask for the best programming language to get started, it will be closed as subjective&argumentative?

KronoS

is that a question or a statement @DanielBeck

Ivo Flipse

18:12

both

belongs on Programmers.SE and even there it's a crappy question

engadget.com/2011/01/31/…

Auch!

KronoS

300 million dollar mistake... ouch

Daniel Beck

One could try asking for great introductory guides to programming and use whatever language they use. That could work.

KronoS

58

Q: What is the easiest language to start with?

What is the language with the lowest barriers to entry, simplest syntax, easiest setup. I'm aware that there's not a best language but I am sure that there will be one that's got a good score in all three areas. It's for teaching friends how to program, I like PHP and Python but I don't want to ...

programming-languages teaching

@DanielBeck

akira

btw, youtube.com/watch?v=a-kSKVa8Tfc

Daniel Beck

18:34

@KronoS Impressive. It seems they don't close as easily as we do.

KronoS

@akira that was amazing

Ivo Flipse

SO is burdened by a legacy of old popular questions

KronoS

@DanielBeck I don't know... we let things like this though:

10

Q: Why aren't there many monitors with higher than 1920x1080 resolution?

I haven been shopping around for monitors and it seems that everything from 19" to 24" have a max resolution at 1920x1080. Is there some technical reason for this or is that just how it happens to be. I have a 23" monitor at this resolution and it seems to me that If I had anything any larger, t...

monitor resolution

sorry that was my answer to it... this is the actual question...

Daniel Beck

@KronoS Both my 24" Samsungs are 1920x1200. I don't understand the question.

KronoS

he's asking my aren't 23" monitors generally higher resolution

Daniel Beck

18:40

But I got them back when they were somewhat expensive.

Well that's not that bad of a question, is it? Resolution independence, UI scaling and these things.

KronoS

i don't know... that was a question/answer that I answered when I first came to SU

Daniel Beck

I'd love to be able to see the vote counts on the "C" answer regarding best beginner programming languages.

KronoS

personally now I would close it for subjective sake... but he's got 10 upvotes so...

Daniel Beck

Well it's not subjective imo. Both cost relative to gain (for 1920x1200 for example) and resolution dependence (i.e. no market or just not usable) are good reasons.

KronoS

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Q: Top Question of the Week #4

Now we're into week 4 of the "Top Question" of Super User in the Super User blog. Please post and vote for your favorite question for this week. Please post any question that you feel is of worth and the reason why. Try not to promote your own questions or answers for publicity sake. We are lo...

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studiohack

18:49

lifehacker.com/5747213/how-to-hack-your-brain

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