fp- by Erik the Outgolfer

@WELZ Can you elaborate? What dropped to zero?

@EriktheOutgolfer There's enough confusion there that it's probably not a useful question anyway. shrug

Metasmoke post 143571 (How do I assign a conditional variable without mutation?) destroyed by Undo

@iBug gone cc @K.Dᴀᴠɪs. Invalid datapoint for any stats we want to have.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in body (1): Selecting a HTML button in Excel VBA that does not have an id ✏️ by Da_Bushwacker on stackoverflow.com

fp- by Erik the Outgolfer

@Undo "Sites" where my condition was active on. All 3 of my conditions (after you rolled it back) were set to 0 sites.

uhhhh

weird

@WELZ Looks like you've fixed it now?

Yes, (ish) I anyhow needed to redo my conditions...

k

Doesn't look like it happened to anyone else

🤷 I guess that's a good thing then.

spooky, though

Nothing special about the conditions you had

Is there a way for me to see other users conditions? I can skim through a few.

Not sure if you can see metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/flagging/conditions/all, but it has a 'site count' column that I looked through

Admin privs...

sounds about right

> Check Your Privilege

nice:D

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Luncheon meat detected (46): Convert an array to string by GodLikeDiamondBoiXx1337 on stackoverflow.com

tpu- by K.Dᴀᴠɪs

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Url in title, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, body starts with title and ends in url, pattern-matching website in body, +4 more (692): evaherbalist.com/beligra/ by zifampo on wordpress.SE

tpu- by Glorfindel

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in answer (1): (SOLVED) Transaction not showing after resend (Bitcoin Core/Exodus) by Navelgazer on bitcoin.SE

naa- by Erik the Outgolfer

!!/report superuser.com/questions/1375330/… "spam seed"

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question (93): Can't remove avast just because of Deepscreen by Prouser3212 on superuser.com

tpu- by Erik the Outgolfer

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer (94): Can't remove avast just because of Deepscreen by tech us on superuser.com

tpu- by bertieb

!!/watch techblot\.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklists reloaded at rev 60ad85d (SmokeDetector: Auto watch of techblot\.com by K.Dᴀᴠɪs --autopull) (running on teward/Lunar Eclipse)

Ninja'd

How do you guys check those quickly? I was waiting for MS to return results for the site

Check what?

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in answer (1): Why do some Christians believe it is moral to be a homosexual? ✏️ by Philip on christianity.SE

fp- by Erik the Outgolfer

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad ns for domain in answer, username similar to website in answer (52): What can I do with this error? by canonijetsetup on askubuntu.com

@K.Dᴀᴠɪs Other uses in MS reports (tp/fp)

tpu- by Erik the Outgolfer

!!/watch- canonijetsetup\.com

I also check on SE in case it's been used elsewhere

[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklists reloaded at rev 06f80a8 (SmokeDetector: Auto watch of canonijetsetup\.com by Erik the Outgolfer --autopull) (running on teward/Lunar Eclipse)

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in body (1): Excel Power Query (aka Get and Transform) from SSAS 10x slower after version change by rbw at work on serverfault.com

fp- by Glorfindel

sd ig

@EriktheOutgolfer [:47614219] That message is not a report.

sd - ig

sd 3- ig

ig?

In this case the reported answer is the only occurrence of the site, so I would watch

ignore-, in short

@EriktheOutgolfer Thanks

Or am I being over-cautious?

@bertieb I did do a watch. It's not blacklisted. Perhaps I am misunderstanding you?

I know it's easy enough to unwatch things

@K.Dᴀᴠɪs I mean that I search on MS/SE for other uses before watch-ing

But I am wondering how necessary that is

It's not

It is for blacklisting

Watching is fair game for just about anything. It doesn't cause autoflags. Just be prepared for it to be removed if it generates too many fp's

Hmmm, okay

Aye

fair enough

charcoal-se.org/smokey/…

> Watched keywords: anything is game, but be prepared to have it removed if circumstances require it.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted user (68): Can't remove avast just because of Deepscreen by tech us on superuser.com

@K.Dᴀᴠɪs Thanks

I have read that, to be fair

"anything is fair game" is fairly broad :P

@K.Dᴀᴠɪs Watching certainly contributes to autoflags. There are multiple people that have autoflag conditions that are based on the number of reasons (3 reasons is probably the most common of those). Thus, you should consider it when watching. It's true that it's significantly less of a concern than with blacklisting, but it's not negligible. In the past, it has specifically been used to cause autoflagging in some spam/R/A waves.

@bertieb Yeah, I'm going to watch stackexchange\.com

dodges the pallet of bricks

@Henders :P

@bertieb The research you're doing is very good. Thanks for doing so. For a watch, not as much research is required, but it is helpful.

@Makyen Yeah I probably should have worded that a bit different. Thanks for clarifying that.

@Makyen Thanks :) I find I get ninja'd on watches a fair bit and thought I'd ask to check whether my own process differs from others!

Charcoal HQ: Bringing you yet another reasonable discussion on the internet

Right? Where's our Nobel Peace Prize?

Smokey keeps forgetting to put the paperwork in for it..

I should also say that I don't mind getting ninja'd (!), it's not like it's a race

:P

Here comes @Glor... the actual ninja.

Ninja robot?

Truly terrifying

everything

so, Glor thinks he's a real ninja, eh? :-)

@EriktheOutgolfer No a bot

where in the definition of "ninja" does it imply that ninjas are humans? ;-)

Ninja AI

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer, repeating characters in answer (168): how to add a sidebar to a woocommerce page by Daniel Garcia' on stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer (92): Save email message as eml using C# in Lotus Notes ✏️ by Christ Harold on stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially problematic ns configuration in body (26): Как сделать запрос на api сервер через java by Вадим Орловский on ru.stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in answer (1): Is the tartan worn by Scotty in "Savage Curtain" an actual clan tartan? by coleen on scifi.SE (@Mithrandir)

tpu- by Glorfindel

Spam scifi.stackexchange.com/a/198603/98028

Nevermind

I missed the Smokey message above

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Toxic body detected (69): Configuration Section returns null in ASP.NET Core ✏️ by Patrick Spiegel on stackoverflow.com

tp- by K.Dᴀᴠɪs

rollback wars automatically flag a mod, right? Or do I need to custom flag?

Depends on how many times it gets rolled back.

I might have given up by 2 rollbacks though, no point getting into a 'war' over it. Just flag and move on.

Yeah, flags are good.

It's R/A now anyways

Sorted by Andy

Thanks Andy

\o/

Oh I can't even delete my comment now :o

> This comment is not eligible for voting or flagging

Meh, seems appropriate.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer (51): Load data from Google Analytics in a Chart.js chart ✏️ by bryceandy on stackoverflow.com

@SmokeDetector Answer with what looks like undisclosed affiliation

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in body (1): What is the best caching or building solution/stack for WordPress, what would you recommend? by juslintek on wordpress.SE

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 06f80a8 (SmokeDetector: Auto watch of canonijetsetup\.com by Erik the Outgolfer --autopull) (running on teward/Lunar Eclipse, Python 3.6.5)

Restart: API quota is 11645.

@SmokeDetector I've left a comment, will check back later.

@SmokeDetector ...I also have left a comment

I came first :P

Another ninja-ing :P

I was futzing around trying to find a link :P

Curse my lack of canned comment on that matter

Help center > search spammer generally works

I also typed the comment - don't have autocomment on this laptop

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer (51): Load data from Google Analytics in a Chart.js chart ✏️ by bryceandy on stackoverflow.com

@bertieb they've updated the answer to include disclosure

fp- by bertieb on Load data from Google Analytics in a Chart.js chart [MS]

@CalvT backspaces furiously ...I think you're ninja-ing me deliberately :P

I just have faster internet :P

Fair to say we've got a couple eyeballs on this :D

@CalvT s/internet/brain/

@SmokeDetector affiliation disclosed in edited answer

fp by CalvT

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad ns for domain in answer (1): How do I extend the level at which section numbering stops by shae128 on stackoverflow.com

vlq

teward/Solar Flare received failover signal.

Restart: API quota is 19989.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in answer (1): calculate with double / float variables by marinator on stackoverflow.com

naa- by K.Dᴀᴠɪs

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad asn for hostname in answer (1): running bitcoind for the first time - can't interact. keep getting command not found by James Young on bitcoin.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in answer (1): 0 confirmations after 3 days. ✏️ by Bloodir Wiredancer on bitcoin.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad asn for hostname in body (1): generate/generatetoaddress what are this two rpc methods used for? by huahuayu on bitcoin.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in answer (1): Is it safe to leave a broth simmering overnight on an electric stove? by Prettysparkle Chanel on cooking.SE

fp- by K.Dᴀᴠɪs

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer, repeating characters in answer (168): why doesn't this work even though the strings match by Nicholas Veselskiy on stackoverflow.com

fp- by rene on running bitcoind for the first time - can't interact. keep getting command not found [MS]

fp- by CalvT on generate/generatetoaddress what are this two rpc methods used for? [MS]

naa- by CalvT

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive body detected (44): Hi the bitcoin sent to me has 4 confirmations... yet the money is "unavailable" by Alessandro on bitcoin.SE

tpu- by CalvT

@SmokeDetector Rude, edit suggested.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially problematic ns configuration in body (26): Why do I get a headache from wearing 0:00 anti-glare glasses? by Emdosis on medicalsciences.SE

@SmokeDetector off-topic, personal medical advice request

fp- by CalvT

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive body detected, offensive title detected, potentially bad keyword in body, potentially bad keyword in title, toxic body detected (169): fuck you stack bitch ✏️ by user2966384 on softwarerecs.SE

tpu- by Glorfindel

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially problematic ns configuration in body (26): html element to separate php variable strings - ACF datepicker by studiok7 on wordpress.SE

Why do spam questions seem to find their way easier going to MSE than any other SE sites? Is it that there are less active users?

Or is it just me who feels so?

Do you mean it gets more than it's fair share?

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad ns for domain in title (1): BundleConfig.vb - VisualBasic.Net by Takumi on es.stackoverflow.com

fp- by Glorfindel

@CalvT Yes, at least it feels like that for me. I am lurking at other sites, at SO with a specific tag filter c++, others without (german language, SE Code Review). There it's very rare I ever see spam.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer, email in answer (161): UK visa refused by fatima on travel.SE (@JoErNanO)

@πάνταῥεῖ MSE is 4th in the spammed sites list, getting about a 10th of what SO gets. I would say it's probably down to less active users. metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/graphs

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad asn for hostname in answer (1): running bitcoind for the first time - can't interact. keep getting command not found by user35061 on bitcoin.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in body, potentially problematic ns configuration in body (27): How should I interpret this dream (example) and go about interpreting others? ✏️ by Unorthodox on islam.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected (79): Eagle Can't back annotate by ur mum on electronics.SE (@TetsuyaYamamoto)

tpu- by Glorfindel

tpu- by K.Dᴀᴠɪs on UK visa refused [MS]

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Non-latin link in answer (87): How to extract characteristics from text using machine learning? by xani98 on stackoverflow.com

tpu- by K.Dᴀᴠɪs

!!/watch vaghtvisa\.com

@K.Dᴀᴠɪs Already watched on line 6622 of watched_keywords.txt

wait, didn't we watch that before

heeeeelp!

@SmokeDetector Oh - I like that response. But why was only reason 'Non-Latin Link'?

fp by Nisse Engström on running bitcoind for the first time - can't interact. keep getting command not found [MS]

@K.Dᴀᴠɪs hm, probably because the watched keyword was inside the non-latin link

[nonlatintext](...watchedsite...)

I would have still expected potentially bad keyword or something as reason # 2. Oh well, it was caught.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Toxic answer detected (82): Angular Formly ui-grid and columnDefs by todji on stackoverflow.com

fp- by K.Dᴀᴠɪs

naa- by Erik the Outgolfer

@K.Dᴀᴠɪs um, pretty sure that isn't an answer ^^^

If I were to flag as naa and a mod got to it, pretty sure my flag would be denied.

It's a crap answer, but still an answer

actually, I think that answers to questions such as "how do I do this with that?" shouldn't be as low-quality as "hey, that's stupid, use the other thing instead!", at least they should have a decent explanation

Well, I've had naa flags declined for answers worse than that.

(then the answer subsequently deleted anyway - oh the irony xD)

(yeah, that's what happens when a mod does a mistake with your flag)

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad ns for domain in body (1): WP audio playlist width by Mrinj on wordpress.SE

fp- by Erik the Outgolfer

@K.Dᴀᴠɪs I'd have said it's helpful

But I'm in a good mood today, who knows if you'd gotten someone else ;)

Probably because it was you who declined the one i mentioned and felt bad ;p. Fine, I will change it

too late

@Undo the flag or the answer? ;-)

(because the latter definitely isn't...)

The flag

Restart: API quota is 11431.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer (86): How sentence start out with the word Am by kf nadjkf af isdjfo jsuodn g9 on english.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer (86): How sentence start out with the word Am by kf nadjkf af isdjfo jsuodn g9 on english.SE

tpu- by Erik the Outgolfer

tpu- by Erik the Outgolfer

!!/location

@EriktheOutgolfer teward/Lunar Eclipse

@EriktheOutgolfer teward/Solar Flare

!!/standby lunar

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started in standby mode at rev 06f80a8 (SmokeDetector: Auto watch of canonijetsetup\.com by Erik the Outgolfer --autopull) (running on teward/Lunar Eclipse)

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in body (98): have_ssl on MariaDB stays DISABLED, can't enable SSL on Debian and YaSSL by Markus on stackoverflow.com

fp- by Makyen

Here's a thought, prompted by recent discussions of databases. What if we used a database to store blacklists, watches, notifications, etc etc - but instead of every instance maintaining a database and syncing between them, they all connect to one central database?

Stability isn't a major concern with that - a MySQL server is ridiculously stable, so you'd really only have to account for network blips, which is easy enough by caching the results locally.

Isn’t this Helios

basically, yeah

except not lambda

but lambda free

but hosting a mysql server also free for those of us who are already doing so

we just gotta get someone to finish it, it was working

I have to keep a MySQL server alive on EC2 for stuff I run there anyway. I could easily open 3306 through the firewall and make a Smokey DB user for access to just that database.

@quartata that "just" is the problem, given that it's sat there for going on a year :P

github.com/AWegnerGitHub/SmokeDetector/tree/helios

tell ibug to have fun

basically just resolving the worlds largest merge conflict

as far as i know the only problems were philosophical — not having blacklists in plain text

but jf made a viewer a few months ago so

helios-ui.glitch.me

(i think the lambda is off right now)

there was also the small matter of updating metasmoke to support it

I do the majority of MS development at the moment, because Undo is busier than I am, but I don't understand how Helios works, so I can't do it.

i actually think thats all done

just a few routes related to tokens

here one sec

github.com/Charcoal-SE/metasmoke/blob/…

the only thing that was missing was handling when a smoke detector was destroyed

which is not a big deal

@quartata no, no it's not

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in body (1): Charging Defendant in civil action with a felony crime after "confession" on the witness stand by HelpingHand on law.SE

@ArtOfCode ? what are you thinking of thats missing

all the token auth is right there

@quartata All that route does is provide a place for Helios to call MS to ask "does this token exist?"

There was more than that that needed doing to MS

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, bad keyword with email in answer, messaging number in answer, pattern-matching email in answer (356): Why is counting election totals more difficult than lottery administration? by James Larry on politics.SE

tp by Undo

@ArtOfCode for the blacklists functionality I really dont think there was

the only other possible thing i can think of is blacklisting users, but that has to go to smokey first anyways which can then send it to helios instead of MS

shrug I don't have more than recollection to go on. But either way, the point is kinda moot - it's not done, and if there's nobody who understands it and has time and is willing to do it, then... it ain't going anywhere.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in answer (1): RS485 7 Pin to USB, Is it possible? by Bogdan on electronics.SE (@TetsuyaYamamoto)

tp by Nisse Engström on Why do Japanese speakers have difficulty pronouncing "L"? [MS]

@SmokeDetector fp-

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer, email in answer, pattern-matching email in answer, potentially bad keyword in answer (261): How are brokerage accounts protected from theft, computer glitches and fraud? by Jeffrey Campbell on money.SE

tpu- by K.Dᴀᴠɪs

!!/watch-number +380683017209

@K.Dᴀᴠɪs Added +380683017209 to watchlist