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8:02 PM
Should we start having smokey post links like: stackoverflow.com/help/promotion on spam?
 
No
 
Le waffles (ninja'd by andy)
 
Anybody have any ideas what I can do to get more flags on GD.SE....? I hit 3k and all my ~5 daily flags are now just close votes, and I still need another ~125 for Marshal. (I now get maybe 1, if I'm lucky 2, from naa) and usually none from smokey, spam quieted down there lately. (...just say I don't need it, which I don't, but I want it :S)
 
We specifically have a "policy" discouraging people from commenting on spam posts unless you're actually an active user of a site.
 
8:04 PM
@GrantGarrison No, because similar to your worries about autoflags, what if a comment is added in the wrong place? And a comment is a lot more harmful than a downvote
 
@WELZ comment flags on old questions
 
no longer needed flags xD
 
Users can't see flags, but they can sure see comments
 
@WELZ bingo
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: row sum on a pandas pivot table by ranagatto on stackoverflow.com
tpu- by Grant Garrison
 
8:09 PM
@SmokeDetector k
 
@SmokeDetector K
@SmokeDetector K
 
What happens at 60 feedbacks again?
 
nothing (I think it's been changed)
 
@GrantGarrison core userness
 
JAD
8:13 PM
@GrantGarrison You evolve into a Garizard
 
I thought it changed?
 
@WELZ oh?
@ThomasWard eh?
 
ah
 
@ThomasWard to what?
 
I remember seeing both so let me check GH
 
JAD
8:14 PM
changes haven't been implemented yet from the looks of it
 
@JAD beat me by a second
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in body: Can Anyone Identify This Insect? by user41586 on biology.SE
 
you get increased autoflagging.
 
fp- by Glorfindel
 
8:16 PM
sd - ignore
 
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fp- by WELZ
 
@SmokeDetector fp-
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: Where to store data for a search index? by IDIOTusersNEEDtoDIE on stackoverflow.com
tpu- by WELZ
 
@ThomasWard booooring. TLDR
 
@SmokeDetector thats a problem. Can we at least remove 192.168 from that database?
 
8:17 PM
@GrantGarrison that's not how it detects
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ shrug
 
and also non-trivial to whitelist.
it's not a 'database'-type detection.
 
@ThomasWard I meant add it to a whitelist.
 
JAD
there is no whitelist like that
 
non-trivial to do
 
8:19 PM
Which apparently might not be worth it.
 
@GrantGarrison you have to understand something:
there are no whitelists
there are very few and far between case-by-case exceptions for what types of detections trigger for certain sites
 
OK, let's see if this works...
 
and certain sites are exempted from certain detection reasons
but there is no whitelist within the individual detection patterns. Anywhere.
so you shouldn't ask to whitelist or exclude certain patterns from certain triggers/detections, because it's nontrivial and extremely complex to try and implement, and not likely to happen, because it will increase the code complexity by increasing magnitude beyond the already-complex code base it is that handles the reasons and detections..
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer, repeating words in answer: Public access for docker-compose by javascript on stackoverflow.com
tpu- by Glorfindel
 
JAD
and as said earlier today, better to have a few fp reports than miss out on spam
 
8:21 PM
^ this
and trust me I've been through the code that handles these detections, it's complex enough as it already is, to add whitelisting to each reason makes it obscenely complex.
and it's already on the verge of that level of complexity.
 
Sometimes, when certain keywords are blacklisted with a regex, we do add a negative lookahead/lookbehind to make sure some exceptional cases don't trigger.
 
Don't mention whitelist, at all ... you'll make Thomas sad ...
 
JAD
yeah, the malicious links excludes stackexchange domains iirc
 
Essentially, whitelist is on Thomas' personal blacklist.
 
^^
 
JAD
8:22 PM
I love it when the world is nicely black-white :D
 
@ThomasWard wow OK O.K. sheesh
 
JAD
don't even get started on greylists
2
 
Looks like something was implemented
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer, repeating words in answer: hamming distance between roles by javascript on stackoverflow.com
tpu- by rene
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer, repeating words in answer: Converter not called when Object property inside List in Listview changes by javascript on stackoverflow.com
tpu- by WELZ
 
8:24 PM
@SmokeDetector k
 
@JAD the watch list is some kinda greylist
 
Wouldn't that be a graylist?
 
ಠ_ಠ
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer, repeating words in answer: How do I connect to an openssl server using openssl C#? by javascript on stackoverflow.com
tpu by Zoe
 
@SmokeDetector k
 
8:26 PM
Blacklist that user?
 
@GrantGarrison new users, same username
 
@Glorfindel Not that I haven't tried to implement, it just breaks codecov every time or explodes things.
 
@WELZ Wow. Didn't even notice that.
 
blacklisting the username might work as a temporary measure, though.
 
8:28 PM
@Glorfindel only if the plural of grey is graey
 
gray vs grey
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ isn't that 50 shades of ...?
 
Apple says gray btw.
 
I have to go to class now; qcpi might come back up, but it might not. It was running out of memory while trying to import phonenumbers
 
JAD
@Glorfindel hah, graaaaaaay
 
8:31 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: "bad words" filter by Richard on stackoverflow.com
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer, repeating words in answer: Python Tornado: logging infos by yuY7gt698ui on stackoverflow.com
fp- by Glorfindel on "bad words" filter [MS]
tpu- by Glorfindel
API quota rolled over with 13503 requests remaining. Current quota: 19999.
 
JAD
he doesn't seem to like jQuery
 
math: 454
stackoverflow: 251
superuser: 97
askubuntu: 74
physics: 70
serverfault: 53
english: 51
apple: 44
codegolf: 36
workplace: 30
unix: 27
gis: 22
rpg: 20
drupal: 20
electronics: 19
judaism: 18
mathoverflow.net: 18
travel: 18
interpersonal: 17
worldbuilding: 17
dba: 16
salesforce: 16
sharepoint: 15
es.stackoverflow: 14
webapps: 14
graphicdesign: 13
bitcoin: 13
chemistry: 12
ell: 12
security: 12
wordpress: 11
ethereum: 11
academia: 11
money: 10
arduino: 10
stats: 10
pt.stackoverflow: 9
gaming: 9
 
@JAD next post someone should comment "jQuery"
 
@GrantGarrison no. Don't feed the troll, please.
 
@Glorfindel ok. nvm then.
 
8:35 PM
would this work? !!/blacklist-keyword (javascript ){3,}
 
What is the weight on blacklist?
 
@WELZ I'm not sure, because of word boundaries
ah, right, it does.
 
@GrantGarrison 97
 
@WELZ So 273. Autoflagging!
 
JAD
8:38 PM
?
 
that's what I was thinking... extra weight
 
Current weight is 176
 
JAD
ah
 
feedback anyone?
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in answer: What is the difference between Opacity and Fill on a photoshop layer? by beep on graphicdesign.SE
tpu- by Glorfindel
 
8:40 PM
... and WELZ is one step closer to Marshal.
 
JAD
@WELZ idk, it seems a bit knee-jerk to immediately add it as a blacklisted keyword
 
@Glorfindel Was just thinking that...
 
JAD
I'm not sure what we usually go with that
@Glorfindel hmm?
 
@SmokeDetector why wasn't this caught as offensive?
 
@JAD refers to something earlier in today's transcript. Can't find it quickly enough.
 
8:43 PM
@Undo looks like channels#receive_email is returning 401 for some reason? This is probably why the Channels auth process is broken
 
Restart: API quota is 19885.
 
JAD
a right
 
39 mins ago, by WELZ
Anybody have any ideas what I can do to get more flags on GD.SE....? I hit 3k and all my ~5 daily flags are now just close votes, and I still need another ~125 for Marshal. (I now get maybe 1, if I'm lucky 2, from naa) and usually none from smokey, spam quieted down there lately. (...just say I don't need it, which I don't, but I want it :S)
@Glorfindel Robot is slowing down, chuck him
useless bot
 
slowing down on the beer intake would help
 
@iBug Your flag conditions were manually disabled by @ArtOfCode: Total accuracy must be >= 99.75%.
@GrantGarrison Your flag conditions were manually disabled by @ArtOfCode: Total accuracy must be >= 99.75%.
 
8:47 PM
how do you manually report?
 
manual? I'm next :/
 
!!/report or !!/scan
 
no it's a command, not a reponse
 
8:48 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Search bar functionality for book API in React by nhbbvgyh on stackoverflow.com
tpu- by WELZ
 
@WELZ looks like you're good, yours are above 99.75% total
 
I'm going to stick to those queues. That was like the third question
 
@ArtOfCode how would one get under 99.75 total? Also, how do you calculate it?
 
@WELZ Multiple flag conditions. It's possible to have multiple conditions that each pass 99.75 individually, but catch different sets of posts and end up under when taken all together.
you just find the set of posts that each of them would catch, uniquify them, and find the total accuracy
 
but, when put together it will have different minimum weights, reasons etc....?
each one has a different condition, how do you add/average them up?
 
8:52 PM
@ArtOfCode is it better now?
 
@WELZ you select the posts each condition would catch, put them all in one array, and remove duplicates
 
@Henders just for you
 
@GrantGarrison Your flag conditions were manually disabled by @ArtOfCode: Total accuracy must be >= 99.75%.
 
that's a no
 
:S
@Art can I please see what their conditions were? (just curious)
 
8:57 PM
@ArtOfCode Is there a way I can see it while editing?
 
@GrantGarrison hit Preview
 
@GrantGarrison The total? Nope. It'd be nice, but it's too heavy on the database. If you're hitting that mark consistently, go a fair chunk higher.
 
@ArtOfCode Oh I know what I did. I removed a site to lower the weight. Check now.
 
@GrantGarrison Your flag conditions were manually disabled by @ArtOfCode: Total accuracy must be >= 99.75%.
 
just put them up significantly higher
 
9:00 PM
o.O
SMOKEY SPEAKS!
 
I'd rather not have to keep checking these every week to make sure they haven't gone under yet
 
I'm sorry for laughing. :{{
 
@ArtOfCode I know exactly why this doesn't work. Duplicate sites will mess with it. For example, Super User drops the weight lower, so it can't be used on it's own then used again.
 
soooo... don't do that?
 
@ArtOfCode Yep. Probably leave a warning about that on the conditions page.
 
9:04 PM
aye, could do
@JakeSymons Your flag conditions are accurate enough, but they're kinda redundant... the 195/1000/1 condition will be matched before either of the others, unless it's on the 4 sites that the third one has that it doesn't.
and you've got two 280/1/1 conditions that differ only in site count, which is completely redundant - I'm gonna delete one of them
 
@K.Dᴀᴠɪs Your flag conditions were manually disabled by @ArtOfCode: Total accuracy must be >= 99.75%.
 
@ArtOfCode just to make sure that I am not wrong about that, one last check?
 
@ArtOfCode ah, by using duplicate sites?
 
huh?
uh... no?
 
oh well, then I still don't get it :(
 
9:15 PM
this is the code that does it, it may be able to explain better than me
 
Which one takes priority if I have different conditions on the same site...?
 
@WELZ Neither. If a post is caught by any of them, it's included in an array (excluding duplicates), and the accuracy of the completed array is checked
 
@WELZ to circumvent the accuracy limit, you can use sites such as Super User to raise the accuracy. However, when you use that more than once, it then is a duplicate and is removed in the total.
 
And that is what causes it to go lower?
 
@GrantGarrison nope, not that either
 
9:18 PM
@ArtOfCode What's wrong about that?
 
Okay. Each condition you have only matches a specific set of posts. That make sense?
 
@ArtOfCode Yes
 
i.e. it only matches posts that have a reason weight above your minimum, reason count above your minimum, and author rep below your maximum
 
Top 5 sites (1month ago) TP rate
Astronomy 99
Graphic Design 98.97
Ask Ubuntu 98.67
The Workplace 98.63
Ask Patents 98.44
 
@ArtOfCode Yep. So assuming min reason 1 and max rep 1 for the above explanation.
 
9:20 PM
You take the set of matched posts for each condition, you merge them, and you remove duplicates. Then you count how many of the resulting set are TPs, and you divide that by the total size of the set.
 
@ArtOfCode Yep.
 
The set of matched posts might be different for each condition. The union of those sets, therefore, might be lower accuracy than each set individually.
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: Is "sh*te" a swear word? by Jack Duncan Condon on english.SE
 
@SmokeDetector naa-
 
naa- by Grant Garrison
 
9:23 PM
Ok so im going to use random numbers here. SU: 150 weight min. SO: 200. SO + SU: 185. Using SU+SO and SU means that you now have (I know the code doesn't do it this way) SO at 185, which it isn't at.
 
tpu- by Grant Garrison
 
the code doesn't care about what site they're on
 
can a mod pls edit my last message to say total flagging tp rate
 
@ArtOfCode I know. But that is how the math can be translated from the code. Note: (200*2 +150)/3 is how it got 185.
 
this is a case where it actually matters what the code does, though
 
9:31 PM
@SmokeDetector So... this literally says "visit my site"...
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected, repeating characters in answer: When and how do I tell the person I've been "Netflix and chilling" with that I love her? by You're a Bunch of Shits on interpersonal.SE
tpu- by Grant Garrison
 
@Catija Yes, but the user appears to be using the "answer" solely to promote their site. The answer makes no attempt to answer the actual question asked, but immediately changes subjects onto "another common problem" in order to be able to link to their site. That's spam.
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in username: Comprobar real autenticación con jwt en javascript by turkey on es.stackoverflow.com
Restart: API quota is 19935.
fp- by Makyen
fp- by Makyen
 
@ArtOfCode There's a name for this.
I think this might help explain it: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simpson%27s_paradox
I believe this is called Simpson's paradox. That's why it's so hard to explain/understand.
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in username: ¿cómo puedo descargar uno a uno los archivos de una url? by turkey on es.stackoverflow.com
naa- by Makyen
naa- by Makyen
tpu- by Grant Garrison
tpu- by Grant Garrison
 
9:48 PM
!!/alive
 
@Makyen ... did I miss something?
@Makyen Yup
 
!!/location
 
@Makyen angussidney/EC2
@Makyen Henders/EC2
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in username: ¿cómo puedo descargar uno a uno los archivos de una url? by turkey on es.stackoverflow.com
 
I'm not sufficiently familiar to decide which is the better one to keep running.
 
Henders i think
!!/pull
 
9:50 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 82a8dcf (tripleee: Merge pull request #1959 from ByteCommander/patch-7) (running on angussidney/EC2)
Restart: API quota is 19819.
 
!!/standby angus
 
angussidney/EC2 is switching to standby
Restart: API quota is 19254.
naa- by DJMcMayhem
 
!!/watch sundul77\.com
 
@WELZ Added sundul77\.com to watchlist
 
Is there a specified order of preference for the different instances?
 
9:51 PM
nope
 
@SmokeDetector NAA, and in the wrong language lol
That's double NAA
 
I tend personally to use Thomas' instances first, followed by any available EC2 instance, followed by anything else
 
Restart: API quota is 19232.
 
OK. I will use that order.
 
9:54 PM
Now, I just need to know which ones are Thomas' instances :-)
 
tpu- by Grant Garrison
 
@Makyen The ones that start with ThomasWard
 
@NobodyNada I figured that's what I'd get to. :-)
I had vaguely recalled seeing some instances with "ThomasWard", but didn't see any in the current status.
 
@Makyen Oh yeah, they start with teward. My mistake
 

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