Charcoal HQ

4:08 PM

wow I was actually able to utilize SmokeDetector's existing chat engine with some hacking to get it to properly work for another bot heh...

... it's... just not doing what I want it to now with responsive commands...

that is, the chat engine as it was a few weeks ago

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer: Prices Not Appearing in Woocommerce Variable Product Page by Era Alm on stackoverflow.com

NobodyNada

@SmokeDetector k

SmokeDetector

Conflicting feedback across revisions: current, #1

tpu- by Riker

Thomas Ward

hey @ArtOfCode mind if I pick your brain on a bot i'm using Smokey's ChatExchange setup and stuff for (though it's not Smokey)? Because I've got a weird issue where the bot send the same response message twice and is being stupid.

ArtOfCode

@ThomasWard pick away, not sure how much I'll be able to help

Thomas Ward

4:25 PM

@ArtOfCode well, i've got the chat system 'working' but it's sending message responses twice. github.com/teward/PyTIOBot

@ArtOfCode here if you want to see the bot in action and test it and stuff.

it only has "alive" and "amiprivileged" in it for now but it's being weird and posting twice, and I can't figure out why.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body: Date Range Form Popup by Everest Capital on stackoverflow.com

Thomas Ward

sd why

SmokeDetector

@ThomasWard [:41499123] Post - everestcapital.io NS suspicious dns2.namecheaphosting.com.,dns1.namecheaphosting.com.

Thomas Ward

okay, seriously, why do we have it bitching about namecheaphosting being a 'bad ns'

NobodyNada

@ThomasWard Because the pharma spammer uses that nameserver

Thomas Ward

4:28 PM

@NobodyNada 100% of legitimate domains which are using NameCheap for hosting are also going to be using that nameserver.

just saying

NobodyNada

@ThomasWard Indeed, but so far there's been 2565 tps and 62 fp's

SmokeDetector

API quota rolled over with 14565 requests remaining. Current quota: 19999.

math: 298
stackoverflow: 124
superuser: 36
askubuntu: 34
physics: 32
unix: 25
academia: 20
serverfault: 18
english: 14
apple: 13
travel: 12
codegolf: 10
islam: 9
electronics: 9
christianity: 8
mathematica: 7
drupal: 7
gaming: 7
emacs: 7
android: 6
bitcoin: 6
engineering: 6
money: 6
workplace: 6
ru.stackoverflow: 6
ell: 6
graphicdesign: 5
diy: 5
dba: 5
meta: 5
es.stackoverflow: 5
ethereum: 5
gis: 5
raspberrypi: 4
webapps: 4
rus: 4
security: 4
stats: 4
patents: 4
ux: 4
worldbuilding: 4
mathoverflow.net: 4

NobodyNada

afk

Undo

5:11 PM

So Elon Musk is going to launch his Tesla into Mars orbit

Bets on whether it actually happens?

(as in "there's ever a Tesla sitting in a fairing on 39A", not "whether it makes it to orbit")

@ArtOfCode ... eh, what inbox?

Not seeing anything

J F

@Undo Why would you put a car on Mars?

Undo

hopefully not "on"

J F

s/on/near/

Undo

> Musk has spoken openly about the non-zero chance that the Falcon Heavy will explode during its first flight, and because of that he once said he wanted stick the “silliest thing we can imagine” on top of the rocket. Now we know what he meant.

ArtOfCode

@Undo you at erwaysoftware

it's a CC

Undo

5:19 PM

what's the from email? Not seeing it anywhere

Thomas Ward

is the https cert fixed

yes

cool

has been for days

CI on ad15b1c failed.

Thomas Ward

5:20 PM

y'all broke it lol

@Undo can we disable coverage reporting for every single PR?

because it's annohying to see "coverage remains the same" for blacklist/watchlist PRs

ArtOfCode

@Undo from hello at artofcode

Undo

Last was Nov 20. Resend, maybe?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer: High Level - Looking to develop a personal 'Shazam' App for identifying songs on local HDD by Loai Tayem on stackoverflow.com

Undo

There we go, got it

ArtOfCode

@Undo ah, it's crappy webmail's fault

J F

5:24 PM

I’m working on a better search feature for the website. How does it look? Can you find any bugs in it?

Undo

@Art I like.

ArtOfCode

@Undo :)

don't ask, don't get

Undo

read as "cemetery" at first and was like "what the heck", but closer inspection is better

NobodyNada

@JF I get a cert error (the root CA is Cisco Umbrella Root CA, which appears to be a CA used by routers/firewalls to sniff HTTPS traffic)

Oh, never mind -- that's my router blocking it

Undo

your router is overly protective

ArtOfCode

5:29 PM

@Undo pssst, that was a subliminal hint at the secret plan

NobodyNada

@Undo It sure is sometimes -- it also blocks web.archive.org

Thankfully, it's all DNS based so I can get around it by switching to Google DNS

SmokeDetector

CI on 5d87cf6 failed.

Thomas Ward

CI death again?

@NobodyNada what CISCO router are you using that does this

NobodyNada

It's just OpenDNS -- so I guess it technically my router blocking it

Thomas Ward

i was asking about the router you've got in line lol

@NobodyNada use the Quad9 service for DNS

it includes threat intel data for filtering :p

NobodyNada

5:35 PM

@ThomasWard I don't have a cisco router; it's an ASUS RT-N56U

Thomas Ward

and you have a cisco cert on it?

NobodyNada

OpenDNS is owned by Cisco

Thomas Ward

@NobodyNada interesting, but meh.

ahhhh, right.

Quad9 > Google DNS > OpenDNS

NobodyNada

@ThomasWard thanks!

Thomas Ward

Details about Quad9 DNS if you're curious. NOTE: I'm not affiliated with them, but considering the threat intel partners they have with the DNS stuff... :P

ArtOfCode

5:39 PM

the question is how many moneys

Thomas Ward

somehow I read that as 'monkeys' not 'moneys' @ArtOfCode

ArtOfCode

how many monkeys do I need to change my DNS server

SO Terrible Question of the Year

Thomas Ward

LOL

SmokeDetector

6:04 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Zeplin .SKTECH File Importing on windows by user3596929 on stackoverflow.com

SmokeDetector

6:19 PM

[ charcoal-se.github.io ] continuous-integration/travis-ci/push failure on d7f7681: The Travis CI build failed

J F

:(

SmokeDetector

tpu by Nisse Engström on High Level - Looking to develop a personal 'Shazam' App for identifying songs on local HDD [MS]

fp by Nisse Engström on Date Range Form Popup [MS]

SmokeDetector

6:36 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching email in body: Yahoo, hotmail and Gmail has blacklisted my smtp ip address how do i know & how can i remove it? by Amit Kumar on stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: their activity they provide is yet to become recognized by kaushmaiys on askubuntu.com

Federico

!!/report: aviation.stackexchange.com/a/46263/1467

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Why are ambient pressure and burner can pressure always the inputs on a hydromechanical fuel controlling system? by user25517 on aviation.SE

Federico

!!/watch: oldwoodward\.com

SmokeDetector

@Federico You don't have code privileges, but I've created PR#1313 for you.

Federico

@SmokeDetector 2/2 on aviation.se

Jake Symons

7:16 PM

Hi

Anyone there apart from Smokey, whos started to fade out

NobodyNada

I'm here, other are people are here too AFAIK

Jake Symons

Wanna see some real spam on this chat us19.chatzy.co

I'm spamming the spammers

NobodyNada

I previewed the link, and it went through a whole bunch of redirects through shady domain names. I'm not going to click it again, sorry

Jake Symons

@NobodyNada It was just someone spamming rude youtube things like the let it go I'm a hoe song and stuff. So I found dab those spammers and kept spamming him out the chat

That's it really, nothing exciting

SmokeDetector

Merged SmokeDetector #1313.

Mithrandir

7:30 PM

!!/pull

SmokeDetector

@Mithrandir CI build is still pending, wait until the build has finished and then pull again.

Mithrandir

There are a bunch of pending PRs that will probably have merge conflicts that will need to be taken care of (cc @ThomasWard).

SmokeDetector

CI on 49c71df failed.

Thomas Ward

7:42 PM

@Mithrandir such as?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer, email in answer, pattern-matching email in answer: Any tax issues paying on someone else's loan? by Thomas Welfred on money.SE

tpu- by NobodyNada

Jake Symons

Waiting for spam...

Mithrandir

@ThomasWard github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/pulls - unless I am misremembering, those will have issues

Thomas Ward

@Mithrandir indeed. Should they all be merged?

Mithrandir

I don't see why not

They look valid to me

At least

p1111's

AJ's looks fine too

Also

26 mins ago, by SmokeDetector

CI on 49c71df failed.

Thomas Ward

7:59 PM

@Mithrandir well, p1111's pull request for a blacklist was rejected because it only has one singular result in an MS search, and I couldn't find any easy regex search in SE to find reason to blacklist.

a singular spam instance that we know if in MS isn't enough for a blacklist IMO

unless you have other evidence?

rene

Every moderator here can handle moderator chat flags for chat.se, right? They don't have to be raised from a room linked to a site you moderate? -

Thomas Ward

@rene Correct. Why?

SmokeDetector

Merged SmokeDetector #1309.

Mithrandir

@ThomasWard ah no, thought that was a watch. Whoops

rene

@ThomasWard I'm writing an answer on an MSE question.

Mithrandir

8:01 PM

@rene right

@rene hmm, I could just add that to my answer, assuming that I know which question you mean

Thomas Ward

@Mithrandir Well, that's the only one rejected and I made a note about it in the comments. All other watchlist additions had their conflicts resolved and merged. I just think Smokey is a little behind the times ;)

!!/pull

SmokeDetector

@ThomasWard CI build is still pending, wait until the build has finished and then pull again.

rene

@Mithrandir I'll link to yours, it is an other question

Ferrybig

Is there a reason the last few commits are failing CI? github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/commits/master

Thomas Ward

now, I question why that got flagged... :P

@Ferrybig two reasons

someone fubar'd tests

and PEP8

@ArtOfCode yer commits from 3 hours ago fubar'd tests.

we can't do a !!/pull because CI will never pass

ArtOfCode

8:06 PM

I know :P

still trying to fix them

Thomas Ward

well it also broke blacklisting and watchlisting

Ferrybig

And is spamming my mailbox with Circle CI notifications that the build is failing

Thomas Ward

New blacklist or watchlist entries will not take immediate effect, due to broken code tests.

@ArtOfCode well you can fix the Flake8 problem easy

ArtOfCode

yeah, that I'm not worried about

the code failures are not as easy

Nisse Engström

Does anyone know if rejecting an edit as spam/vandalism gets noticed by a moderator?

rene

8:11 PM

@Mithrandir here it is meta.stackexchange.com/a/303959/158100 in case you want to verify.

@NisseEngström I doubt it will raise a mod flag

Mithrandir

@NisseEngström it makes the edit not visible to logged out users, and starts building an IP block

quartata

@angussidney if you still need creds hit me up with a public key

@ArtOfCode what's going on here?

Mithrandir

@rene mod flags look slightly different - orange, not blue - but otherwise I think it's accurate

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Mostly dots in answer: Synchronize windows folders by jack reacher on stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: Does Google account's "recovery phone" have any benefit if I never forget my password? by Matheus on security.SE

J F

@quartata keybase.io/angussidney :)

quartata

8:17 PM

@ArtOfCode one second I think I see the issue

Nisse Engström

@Mithrandir Interesting. A user signed up today and tried to edit a YouTube link into a question. I'm not going to try the link. Is there anything that's worth doing beyond rejecting the edit?

rene

@Mithrandir thanks (and for the the edit)

ArtOfCode

@quartata I already know what the issue is, I just need to create a workaround

quartata

ah ok

Nisse Engström

@SmokeDetector tpu-

Ferrybig

8:19 PM

@NisseEngström Youtube video is safe for work, and code related, title: "C program for CRC - Cyclic Redundency Check Code Computer Network Lab", duration: about 40 minutes

Mithrandir

@NisseEngström oh, huh, I think I mixed up a feature request with how it actually works

I guess you can see it logged out

But I'm still pretty sure it builds an IP block

quartata

@ArtOfCode you have a typo

tld.Exceptions.TldDomainNotFound -> tld.exceptions.TldDomainNotFound

@ThomasWard you don't need to resolve conflicts when merging blacklist PRs, Metasmoke does it with a merge driver now

cleans up the merge commit

Thomas Ward

@quartata really?

quartata

yep

Thomas Ward

so it can resolve it for watchlisting?

Nisse Engström

8:23 PM

@Ferrybig Thanks.

ArtOfCode

@quartata that's not the issue

It's an issue, but it's not the issue

look at CI - two tests fail, that's only one of them

quartata

@ThomasWard github.com/Charcoal-SE/metasmoke/pull/284

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Mostly dots in answer: Windows rsync command line by jack reacher on softwarerecs.SE

quartata

@ArtOfCode both failures are caused by it

ArtOfCode

Oh no they're not :)

It would not have taken me two hours to fix this if they were

quartata

8:26 PM

it's not catching the normal tld.exceptions.TldDomainNotFound in the first

the NameError is then during the resolving of the exception

ArtOfCode

sigh

I know

That's not the major problem

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in link text in answer: individual database for different microservices or common database? by Rishi on stackoverflow.com

ArtOfCode

!!/pull

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev c2cfa1a (ArtOfCode-: Merge branch 'master' of github.com:Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector) (running on bwDraco/Linode)

Restart: API quota is 12685.

ArtOfCode

fixed @quartata @ThomasWard

SmokeDetector

8:38 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Shortened URL in answer: Resources for learning logo design by matthew rukevwe on graphicdesign.SE

6' white male

@SmokeDetector k

Thomas Ward

yay

@ArtOfCode what was the core problem

6' white male

@SmokeDetector This troll is annoying and there is more by that name that Smokey didn't catch (copying parts of answers to the same question)

ArtOfCode

@ThomasWard It detected a thing as spam that it shouldn't have done and that failed the tests

Thomas Ward

ah

how'd you fix that?

ArtOfCode

8:41 PM

mainly because it was trying to create links from nothing by adding a protocol to them, which... is not what I wanted it to do

Thomas Ward

ah

ArtOfCode

I wanted it to parse a URL, if the link text looks like a URL.

and then compare it to the href domain, max levenshtein distance of 3.

So... I made it check that the link text has a TLD in it.

possibly not optimal, but okay for now

quartata

@ArtOfCode by the way: pypi.python.org/pypi/jellyfish

That has some more fancier edit distances too if you want to experiment

ArtOfCode

Given that I'm just looking at typos, which are most likely to manifest as a changed character or two or an extra character or two, we don't need anything more fancy

quartata

transpositions though

two transposes would be over your threshold with traditional levenshtein but not with damerau-levenshtein

up to you but

also this is C

@ArtOfCode oh I thought that was weird

so was tld the one appending the http:

?

ArtOfCode

8:56 PM

yeah

quartata

that's dumb

Nisse Engström

@SmokeDetector tpu-

ArtOfCode

@quartata Yeah... point being? Typos manifest as transpositions or additions, which is what levenshtein is aimed at

@quartata no, I told it to

quartata

@ArtOfCode levenshtein doesn't count transpositions

it counts them as two substitutions

ArtOfCode

uh

raises eyebrows

quartata

8:58 PM

you're thinking of this:

Damerau–Levenshtein distance

In information theory and computer science, the Damerau–Levenshtein distance (named after Frederick J. Damerau and Vladimir I. Levenshtein) is a string metric for measuring the edit distance between two sequences. Informally, the Damerau–Levenshtein distance between two words is the minimum number of operations (consisting of insertions, deletions or substitutions of a single character, or transposition of two adjacent characters) required to change one word into the other. The Damerau–Levenshtein distance differs from the classical Levenshtein distance by including transpositions among its allowable...

> differs from the classical Levenshtein distance by including transpositions

ArtOfCode

no, definitely counting them as one, look at the algorithm

quartata

>>> findspam.levenshtein("asdf", "asfd")
2
>>>

it's classical Levenshtein

ArtOfCode

oh

quartata

or OG levenshtein if you want to memey

ArtOfCode

different terminology

in that case yes, transpositions aren't included

substitutions is what I meant

quartata

9:00 PM

oh ok

btw do you mind if I move the levenshtein function to helpers?

I'm going to be using it for something else

after the NG PR mergres

ArtOfCode

Aye, sure

quartata

@ArtOfCode so if I wanted to use a model outside of Rails I need to extend ActiveRecord::Base and not ApplicationRecord right?

ArtOfCode

context?

mostly depends whether you copy ApplicationRecord too

quartata

Like, I want to take the FlagCondition model and use it in a script

I can drop the websocket bits obviously

don't know what other stuff it needs

  belongs_to :user
  has_and_belongs_to_many :sites
  has_many :flag_logs, dependent: :nullify

  validate :accuracy_and_post_count

ArtOfCode

Why, though? Models aren't that useful outside of Rails context.

quartata

9:18 PM

because I want to make sure I include the ActiveRecord overhead

ArtOfCode

What are you trying to do?

quartata

benchmark the flag condition optimizer

I haven't filled in the part that calculates the accuracy, that's what I'm doing now and in production that'll be via FlagCondition.posts

so I'd like to use that

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, bad keyword with email in answer: Why does relative humidity seem to correlate with high temperature (at least where I live)? by janet on earthscience.SE

tpu- by Glorfindel

ArtOfCode

@quartata so why can't you write a script within the context of Rails?

Drop a script in runners/, and use rails runner

SmokeDetector

9:54 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: What is meant by the delta equivalent sign? by wwwwwwwwww on math.SE

quartata

10:09 PM

@ArtOfCode because setting up metasmoke fully is a massive pain

ArtOfCode

...you're gonna need to if you're doing development on it

quartata

also what version of Ruby do I need?

Mithrandir

@SmokeDetector k

ArtOfCode

@quartata 2.4.1

quartata

ok I need to use a VM then

the only local Ruby I have that linked with OpenSSL properly is 2.0

(meaning can't install gems)

ArtOfCode

10:18 PM

rvm

quartata

10:30 PM

@ArtOfCode rvm is stupid and is literally a wrapper around Homebrew on OS X

which then in turn does a ton of things wrong

ArtOfCode

I can only speak for Linux, but it's never done me wrong

quartata

I used to use it on Linux

It was fine

But on OS X it's awful

it literally passes the ruby name and version directly to Homebrew, I'm not kidding

glorified Homebrew installation script

(one that trashes your entire /usr/local/bin and ruins any symlinks you might have immediately, I control-c'd it the second it said "Installing Homebrew..." and it still screwed up my Python in that time)

luckily I have a Vagrant with Ruby 2.4.0 so should be all good

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer: Making an image greyscale in javascript by jswidget on stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, bad keyword with email in answer, email in answer: Why does my (bank) card constantly fail to work in stores/machines? by Mark frank on money.SE

WELZ

10:45 PM

@SmokeDetector k

SmokeDetector

@WELZ: It seems this is your first time sending feedback to SmokeDetector. Make sure you've read the guidance on your privileges, the available commands, and what feedback to use in different situations.

WELZ

Oh don't you worry :P

SmokeDetector

naa- by Floern on Making an image greyscale in javascript [MS]

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in title, phone number detected in title: <1888-2910-448> microsoft phone number by alex jones on stackoverflow.com

tpu- by Glorfindel

quartata

11:02 PM

@ArtOfCode why does MS need Yarn

J F

@quartata Because webpacker wants it.

quartata

@JF why

that's infuriating

ArtOfCode

...honestly it's not that bad

J F

^

what’s wrong with it?

NobodyNada

@Undo It looks like Redunda's cert expired

quartata

11:14 PM

@JF I mean why should I have both npm and yarn

now I have 3 package managers to manage dependencies across

none of which are the system package manager

ArtOfCode

oh no disaster has struck :P

J F

Yarn packages are the same as npm packages. Yarn is just an alternate interface to the npm registry.

quartata

what

that almost manages to be worse

ArtOfCode

Not really

just pick one and ignore the other

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Misleading link: GUI over bash using glade by Радослав Паунов on stackoverflow.com

quartata

11:17 PM

can yarn interpret a package.json tho

SmokeDetector

fp- by Glorfindel

ArtOfCode

@JF?

J F

@quartata Yes. npm and Yarn both use package.json

Glorfindel

@SmokeDetector why (~~pun~~ side effect intended) is that a misleading link?

J F

yarn.lock is like Gemfile.lock — it stores the exact version for each dependency, which prevents bad upgrades from breaking your build.

SmokeDetector

11:18 PM

@Glorfindel Post - Domain youtube.com indicated by possible misleading text guide..

ArtOfCode

@SmokeDetector dammit you're not meant to pick up on those

quartata

Yeah I get how that works (although I personally hate package managers that store those on a per-directory basis)

J F

@quartata But if you store all the packages in one place, how do you handle two different projects needing different versions of the same dependency?

ArtOfCode

@SmokeDetector Huh? Running this locally returns a False result... what

J F

!!/rev

SmokeDetector

11:23 PM

@JF bwDraco/Linode c2cfa1a (ArtOfCode-: Merge branch 'master' of github.com:Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector)

J F

Is that what git rev-parse HEAD gives you @ArtOfCode?

ArtOfCode

c2cfa1a24a98bec87099ae78ce4186675f1fb447

J F

O.O

they’re the same

ArtOfCode

> nothing to commit, working directory clean

literally zero changes

quartata

@JF you do what pip does and store different versions in one per-user directory

along with the egg info

ArtOfCode

11:27 PM

@quartata works for users, not for projects

Ah. So running it on the whole post returns a True result; not if you just run it on the link

The regex catches what it should, as verified by regex101

quartata

@ArtOfCode just seems like a waste of disk space to smear the same packages across a bunch of different directories and leave a distinctly-non-human readable lock file in all your repos

granted I'm opinionated

because I don't like npm and love pip

I'm kind of a mixed bag of opinions on package managers

ArtOfCode

clearly :P

J F

@quartata Although the lockfile is ugly, it’s worth it IMO to ensure that everyone has the same package versions. Someone also made pkglink to resolve the issue of duplicate modules.

SmokeDetector

11:58 PM

CI on 78128e2 succeeded.

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