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6:07 PM
@Magisch me
Doorknob
Possibly Emrakul and Deusovi, not sure
 
I know minitech was under 18 when elected, not sure about now
 
minitech was 16
There's an AU mod which was 16 when elected too
JRG or something like that
 
I was 16 when I was elected. No longer, sadly.
 
Why sadly?
 
Growing up sucks.
 
6:20 PM
You get more responsibilities and stuff
 
Problem is that you realize it too late to value your youth as you should
 
API quota rolled over with 3200 requests remaining. Current quota: 9999.
stackoverflow: 93
superuser: 21
unix: 18
meta: 18
askubuntu: 18
english: 16
drupal: 13
math: 13
codegolf: 11
money: 11
gis: 10
wordpress: 9
ell: 9
worldbuilding: 8
electronics: 8
security: 8
salesforce: 8
mathematica: 8
rpg: 8
ru.stackoverflow: 7
es.stackoverflow: 7
academia: 7
raspberrypi: 6
physics: 6
writers: 6
politics: 6
apple: 6
biology: 6
health: 5
civicrm: 5
scifi: 5
dba: 5
mathoverflow.net: 5
ethereum: 5
movies: 5
softwareengineering: 5
gamedev: 4
graphicdesign: 4
cs: 4
stats: 4
photo: 4
 
@ByteCommander But homework :(
 
@ByteCommander I don't regret growing up, because it's inevitable
 
@KritixiLithos I'm at university now, that argument sounds hilarious to me...
 
6:23 PM
I'll be at a university in a few months
 
Btw, I should be studying for that economy exam tomorrow, but my head is still melted from the Maths exam today.
 
I have an essay draft due tomorrow, yet I am here glued to SE
 
sounds easy
better than a week full of exams
 
you got a point there
 
@KritixiLithos Meh, prolly will just sleep three hours less
 
6:28 PM
Restart: API quota is 9949.
 
@ArtOfCode Reverted your last metasmoke change; mousedown just means "the link was clicked" which gains us nothing
 
@Undo click-start, actually, which makes approximately 300-400ms difference to the load-start point on a desktop - which is a significant portion of an MS page load time. I suggested that because mouseover is significantly more server load, but if you're happy that MS can handle it, then sure
 
Huh, interesting
 
well, if you click and hold on a link, you don't get navigated away - the load only starts when you release.
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Non-English link in answer, non-Latin link in answer: Заміна "мітки" на "позначки" by TeHeBuK on ukrainian.SE
New metasmoke user 'user3351605' created
Recovered from WebSocketConnectionClosedException: Connection is already closed.
Restart: API quota is 9910.
 
6:41 PM
stackoverflow.com/a/42516377/5210517 -- rude/abusive, I don't know how to report.
 
FDSC reports probably still work
 
@ArtOfCode It didn't work.
Or maybe it did
I had FDSC on anyway
 
doesn't look like it
@SmokeDetector we need to disable these reasons for Ukrainian
 
@SmokeDetector N
 
6:56 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer: Strength Training and a Bad Back by Sehaa Online on fitness.SE
tpu- by tripleee
 
7:31 PM
@Mith you there?
 
@M.A.R. maybe
 
@Mithrandir Harry and the Deathly Hollows is the seventh book in the series, right?
 
@M.A.R. yes
Why?
 
Thanks, needed it for an answer on ELL
 
7:54 PM
update: the S3 issue is also killing CI for metasmoke
and @Undo's avatar on GH has reverted to gravatar, which may or may not be related
 
at least EC2's okay
 
that would be a no
 
huh?
 
EC2 API error rates are up and new instances are not launching correctly
 
oh. Metasmoke's still up though, so something is still working
 
7:56 PM
unlikely to be affecting the metasmoke server, unless Undo uses the API to manage it, but there are EC2 issues
 
I made some changes today to the CMS of one of our customers, which is hosted on Amazon AWS. This may or may not be related :P
 
!!/blame
 
@ArtOfCode It's Mithrandir's fault.
 
Smokey got it wrong
 
@ArtOfCode it still has a decent TP/FP rate, though.
 
8:02 PM
@SmokeDetector nooooo
 
also today: GitHub has updated their TOS, including explicit global inbound=outbound licensing
 
8:51 PM
@ArtOfCode we already specify that right?
 
aye, we just don't need to now
 
@M.A.R. Ugh. Some poor guy just wants to learn English, and gets the best children's book series of a generation spoiled for him. Dangit, Internet.
 
9:06 PM
@Pops And it's all my fault. :(
 
@Pops Hey pops
 
ohai @Pops
 
@SmokeDetector I suggested an edit to remove the signature, so I guess...
@SmokeDetector f
 
Just chilling or does anything in particular lead you to the darkest recesses of SE chat charcoal
:P
 
if you're here for a progress report, the best thing to give you is probably Andy's updated graph from last night
 
9:08 PM
@Magisch Well, I mean, charcoal is black, so I'm forced to agree with your struck through text.
 
that was the joke
:p
 
JOKES ARE FUNNY, I GET JOKES
 
On a serious note, spam has been getting rekt faster then ever
as you can see in arts @Andy 's graph
 
clears throat
 
@ArtOfCode Wait, how did you put that up?
 
9:09 PM
We're getting to the point where latency matters as to whether or not you get a flag in
 
@Mithrandir didn't, Andy did last night
 
@Pops ... you hear the joke about UDP?
 
Ah.
 
Do we have a policy on linking to specific MS reports from MSE on a post?
 
I'm so awesome that I knew the outage was coming, and uploaded first.
 
9:10 PM
@rene "do it if you want to" <--- there, I just made one
 
@CaffeineAddiction I might have, and I might not have, and it might not have arrived in the right order?
 
And now I have Everything is Awesome stuck in my head
 
@Pops :D
 
But no, I didn't, where were you going with that?
 
9:11 PM
@ArtOfCode yeah, I dreamed up that one. But now I wonder what sane people would do ...
 
@Andy Shoulda told someone at Amazon
 
We have over 130 users that let us use them for flags now
 
@Undo And waste my ability?! How can I use it to benefit myself? Next up...lottery numbers!
 
@Magisch To actually answer this, I've been thinking I should check in more regularly.
 
Ahh
Very nice :)
 
J F
9:15 PM
@Undo Do you want to ask Pops now?
 
@JF pops ain't reponsible for the API
 
I know it's in the system (insider knowledge, yay)
 
I've been meaning to try to work out if v2.3 has it in already
 
Can't promise I'll always have news to report. Unfortunately this time I do have news and you're not going to like it, I talked with some dev type people and it looks like there's no bandwidth for working on the API anytime soon.
 
Bandwith as in no new features for the api soon?
 
9:16 PM
@Pops That's sad :(
 
@Pops sounds like it's time to hire half of Charcoal as new devs </s>
2
 
What about maybe a higher quota or something like that
 
But yeah, understandable. Happen to ask anyone about us using two API keys?
 
In other words, no to the network ID and undeletion in the API. I don't want to decline it forever, it's not something we're opposed to doing, there's just no time to do it now.
Still working on the increased quota issue. Hope to have news on that soon.
 
Great, thanks
 
9:18 PM
Negative news still better then no news, so thanks :)
 
Now, any news regarding whether we're allowed to mix up the spam flags with the offensive ones?
 
@JanDvorak That's not a staff thing.
 
yes, yes we are
 
@ArtOfCode I've been meaning to ask, how hard would it be to implement flagging from MS page
 
not very
 
9:20 PM
That'd be much more convenient then going to the post
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Mostly non-Latin answer: Best Practice for PHP by hares on wordpress.SE
 
dead easy
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Mostly non-Latin answer: Best Practice for PHP by hares on wordpress.SE
 
I've been thinking 4 buttons: Spam | Offensive | NAA | FP
 
translate: چت قشم.چت درگهان.چت بندر.بندر چت. بوشهر چت.چت میهن.چت دنیا.شمال چت. چت روم موشی چت.چت موشی.نازی چت. چت .چت .چت
(from Persian) Chat chat chat derghan. port of Qeshm.. port of chat. Chat chat chat Bushehr. homeland. the world. North of chat. Mushi Mushi chat chat chat chat. Nazi. ". Chat chat chat. ".
 
9:20 PM
was meaning to do it today, but I've been on windows all day
 
And each would also send the corresponding feedback
 
sd 2k
 
Easy, yes, but we shouldn't be able to flag without seeing the post
 
metasmoke shows the post, or at least the rendered HTML which is enough
 
@JanDvorak The MS page contains all the contents of the post
and more information
 
9:22 PM
sd 2n
 
True. But I saw some suggestions to put the link directly into chat
 
What do you mean mix up spam and offensive flags? That is a new question to me.
 
@Magisch Probably more likely to be a single button to flag as spam.
 
@Pops Like autoflagging aasdfghjkl as spam.
 
@Undo Sure, I mean
 
9:22 PM
@Pops There's an age-old... debate, I guess? about what red flags are appropriate. Same as the one in TL from a few days back.
 
@Pops the bot doesn't distinguish between spam flags and offensive flags, and uses the same type of flag for both. Some mods don't like it.
 
@Pops Our autoflags only flag as spam. There are some posts that we catch that would be better suited by the offensive flag
 
I mostly think it's just silly to spend time thinking about
 
Shog said it doesn't matter.
Basically.
 
has for years, yeah. Both flags being the same under the hood helps the argument too.
 
9:24 PM
Ah, yeah... might want to see revision 44 to the Meta SE FAQ on such things. I learned a thing because of that discussion.
 
@Pops So they're equal in all but name now?
 
Yes
 
nice
 
Apparently, yeah.
 
In essence, it shouldn't matter if we flag spam or abusive, as long as its either
 
9:28 PM
Like, earlier, I had gibberish autoflagged as spam, and so brought it up, and then was discussing it in Secret Places™.
 
All of us non mods here know about the teachers lounge
 
Yes, but I prefer Secret Places™...
 
It's... hard... to argue in favor of writing an algorithm and making a bot spend time calculating which of the two flag types to use when they are, in actuality, the exact same flag. It's not even Coke vs. Pepsi, it's Pepsi vs. a second bottle of Pepsi that's using a different but still valid Pepsi logo.
7
 
coke vs. christmas coke
 
(I don't drink soda, and never have, but okay, I agree :P)
 
9:36 PM
@JanDvorak Christmas coke?
Is that what happens when prescription drugs get into Atlanta's tap water?
 
Completely unrelated, but I find it weird now that it says Communities (166) on the side of my profile. It used to say 112 earlier today (I think)...
 
@Mithrandir because you signed up on 54 sites today?
 
It's just regular coke with snowy hills on the label
 
Yep.
 
@Andy if that ever happens here, I might actually start drinking tap water
 
9:45 PM
Heh, the meta is at 321...
(And I keep going to click the button and remembering that I upvoted on Meta.SO! >.<)
 
HTTP 321 - retry after a short delay?
 
Why didn't Smokey pick up our meta? Shouldn't it have picked it up under repeated link at the end of a long post?
It has the /people link at the beginning and at the end.
 
@Mithrandir I don't think Smokey runs on Meta sites, does it?
 
@Kyll it does run on meta.se
 
Maybe it did? Or does it ignore migrations?
 
> Chat Island
 
Is FDSC down also?
 
considering this is the 3rd time he's posted garbage, I'm flagging as rude
 
@Mithrandir Shouldn't be dependent on any S3 stuff
 
Speaking of which, is it back?
My image uploaded.
 
9:58 PM
kinda, I guess
Console is still iffy
 
only for fetches, not new S3 objects
 
@SmokeDetector k
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of body: Find When a user last logged in by Austin on superuser.com
 
@SmokeDetector f
 
Okay, let's fix this
 
10:04 PM
Undo's Raspberry Pi received failover signal.
 
!!/standby teward
 
[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started in standby mode at rev 13aae02 (angussidney: Strip code blocks --autopull) (running on teward/Aurora)
 
!!/pull
 
[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 2cb53d7 (ArtOfCode: Exclude Ukrainian from non-Latin/English rules) (running on Undo's Raspberry Pi)
Restart: API quota is 9996.
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of body: Find When a user last logged in by Austin on superuser.com
 
sd f
 
10:05 PM
fp- by Mithrandir
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question: Text-to-speech specific page element? by Erlja Jkdf. on softwarerecs.SE
 
worky?
yep
 
10:10 PM
fp- by Mithrandir
 
@SmokeDetector fpu-
Norepro on that report issue
Unless someone has a better way to do it
 
It broke every time I reported something....
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Is Judaism represented in the Narnia books? by Mithrandir on literature.SE
 
test
Still alive
 
teward/Aurora received failover signal.
 
10:14 PM
Could have something to do with the webcam attacks, but timeline doesn't match up there
!!/standby undo
 
@Mithrandir User is not blacklisted.
 
@SmokeDetector f
 
[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started in standby mode at rev 2cb53d7 (ArtOfCode: Exclude Ukrainian from non-Latin/English rules) (running on Undo's Raspberry Pi)
Restart: API quota is 8562.
 
kinda switched instances out from under you there
 
10:15 PM
Test again?
 
We're on Thomas' instance now, but sure
!!/status
 
@Undo Running since 22:04:21 UTC (11 minutes)
 
Huh. Why didn't it ping me earlier?
 
@Mithrandir Different instance wasn't synced up
 
10:32 PM
@SmokeDetector can I be evil and k this?
 
@M.A.R. No.
 
:(
But I wanna!
 
@M.A.R. Go ahead. See how fast you get suspended :P (kidding)
 
Can somebody disconnect @Mith from the internet please?
I have just a little thing I need to do
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in title: Modulo Mercado envíos Prestashop indica envío gratis by Humberto Flores on es.stackoverflow.com
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in body, bad keyword with email in title, messaging number in body: Obtain your ielts, toefl, toeic,passport,id cards,driving license,(assistantc88@yahoo.com )Visa ONline by Roberto Ddiantini on cogsci.SE
tpu- by Gothdo
 
10:44 PM
@SmokeDetector why
 
@M.A.R. Title - Position 1-53: Modulo Mercado envíos Prestashop indica envío gratis
 
Huh
All of that was blacklisted?
 
FR: add a link from each reason to its implementing code in Github
 
@M.A.R. Looks like Prestashop is banned 3tp/3fp
 
Why should it?
 
10:49 PM
Why should what?
 
@JanDvorak it was prolly blacklisted after the second spam and never reconsidered
@DavidPostill when should where? O.o
 
11:22 PM
naa- by DavidPostill
 
@ArtOfCode Wouldn't making it so that the MS link was just the actual MS id help with the message size?
Like right now you're doing /posts/by-url
@Pops :(
 
@quartata yes, but MS post submission is async. We don't have the post ID when we post the message.
 
Oh. That's kind of lame.
Seems like it wouldn't hurt that much to wait.
 
it might
 
J F
@Undo I’ve made a PR to add live updates to the navbar. Specifically, it changes the status tab’s color and updates the review count.
 
11:46 PM
comments, @JF
 
J F
comments, @ArtOfCode
 
:)
 
J F
*comment
 
How long on average does it take for a post to show up on MS after being posted here?
 
milliseconds
the two things are parallel
once we're sure it's spam, we branch into two threads, one reports to chat, one sends to metasmoke
I guess it's actually entirely possible that MS has the post before we hit chat, but we still have no idea of the ID.
 
11:56 PM
@ArtOfCode what ID? the chat message ID?
 
MS post ID
 
why wouldn't MS know that ID?
 
^
MS does
Smokey doesn't
 
But Smokey doesn't need to know it, since it uses by-url
 
Right but using the ID would cut down on the message size by a good amount.
 
11:59 PM
if we really wanted to cut down message size, there are other ways to do that
m.erwaysoftware.com/p/<apisitekey>/<id> would work
 

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